American Superbike Shootout | Pivot Mach VS Transition Scout VS Evil The Calling | MBR

[@JogieGlenMait16]

Yup, it's Evil all day everyday for me too.

[@Kalashnikov_Respecter]

high bottom brackets are because of the fact that we have gigantic mountains with large rocks. The Pivot maintains a long and low geometry that's still higher than euro bikes because it's developed in Arizona. Arizona has some of the gnarliest rocky trails in the US like the double blacks and prolines in Sedona. The DW link makes it hard to ding your bracket on things but it still is a frequent issue with bikes like the 5010 which is pretty obnoxiously low and personally I felt that it struggled with tech.

[@chm1701]

I actually really like the way the Transition rides (I've ridden a Patrol), but the cable routing is messy (especially the Alloy ones), the build kits aren't great value and their 2 year frame warranty isn't anywhere near as good as what I'd expect nowadays. Edit: Forgot to say that I really like Danny as the voice over; IMHO, he's clear, concise and works really well with these videos. Have a like.

[@Honda-nn3ee]

Can confirm messy cable routing. The rear brake line was hitting the rear spokes for me on a demo ride. Could easily be rerouted, so no big deal if you love the bike otherwise.

[@grantgodfrey1784]

No Ibis or Yeti?

[@Trailjunkie62]

Thanks for a very well done comparison! Really enjoyed this and wish there were more shootouts like this.

[@rmoore4yris]

Never rode a Pivot or Transition but I do own a Evil and it's such a smooth bike. Recently I added a AB oval chainring.... Seriously a joy to ride.

[@nismomike3182]

Rather see the Hightower be included, but appreciate the review of the Scout. In the USA I think we all generally agree the SC Hightower, Pivot 5.5, and Evil Calling are the 3 most lustworthy US made boutique bikes in this AM category.

[@TheBikeRoom]

Yep, my Rocky Mountain Altitude isn’t all that stretched. I feel it needs the longer stem just to compensate. Considering the BC aggressive riding of the Northshore it seems to run against the paradigms of the industry set my Mondraker.

[@mc540flip]

Great review! Digging the Pivot Mach 5.5

[@heididant6158]

Great vid. Do a 29er shootout next: Santa Cruz Hightower LT, Evil Wreckoning, and Yeti 5.5c!

[@Esteb858]

HeidiDan T they already did one with The Wreckoning. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIPak3V8p696pMk

[@andyboy198577777]

I love comparison videos like this! Heart work friends!

[@erami1994]

More comparisons of similar bike like this please !

[@rolux4853]

Would the Evil Calling still be a good bike to buy in 2021? I was offered one for 3200€ but I’m not sure if the geometry is still up to date or of I should get a newer bike.. I need a very upright riding position, since I have back issues and I’m not sure if the 74.5 deg seat tube angle is good for that. Considering that new bikes always have almost 80deg maybe I should get a newer bike, but I’m really not sure..

[@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUY]

the calling can also run 26 plus setup too

[@timquain5341]

any updated versions of this comparison? Looking at the new scout atm.

[@Barrick34]

Any chance to review the 2018/2019 and the evil calling, 2019 Stumpjumper ST?

[@tommyestrada6464]

I got the Mach 5.5, partly due to this review, I’m just curious, what issue did you have with the WTB grips? To me they seem a bit firm, I’m considering switching to the WTB clydesdale grips, for something a bit thicker, since as you pointed out, opinions are limited.

[@mrwendell6151]

Tommy Estrada do you regret it iam looking at one now

[@dannysanchez7901]

I would love to see you guys do a review of an American bike manufacture like the FOES Mixer please!!!!

[@yakbiker75]

Why didn't you use the latest transition scout? Little disappointing, normally you guys are on the money.

[@MBRmagazine]

ausmtbiker this is the bike the UK distributor sent us, so guess they didn’t have any of the new ones. When we were shooting the video at this bike park, Transition sponsored rider Chris Smith was there on his Scout and he was still on the old frame.

[@yakbiker75]

MBR magazine that would explain it then, you guys are still on the money, I heard there were some production delays, disappointed they didn't send you guys out a 2018 bike for the comparison. Cheers for the response.

[@jaykan1002]

they also reviewed the kit 3, but priced it as the kit 2 in the video. 5k usd bike vs 7-7.5k builds

[@TommyHuynh]

U.S boutique bike company? Why isn't Intense or Santa Cruz not included? An Intense Recluse or Carbine or Santa Cruz High Tower? Those are great trail bikes.

[@ThisGuyRides]

I agree Intense is boutique, but Santa Cruz is pretty big. Too big to be considered boutique.

[@dirtdobber7799]

i freakin love my Intense Spider 275c.. i don't even have a lockout on the rear and have almost zero pedal bob on climbs. .

[@TommyHuynh]

Dirt Dobber I currently have an Intense 951 for my shuttle and lift days and a Tracer SL for everything else. I have also owned a Carbine SL, Carbine 275, T275 and Uzzi. I will never ride another brand, Intense has the best customer service and imo make the sexiest bikes.

[@TheyForcedMyHandLE]

Maybe they didn't want a half hour long vid. They can always do another.

[@MBRmagazine]

We wanted to do a thorough job on three bikes rather than a rush job on five. We did try to get a Yeti, but the timing didn’t work out around its launch schedule.

[@JohnSmith-on7zr]

Are the tires already inflated?

[@KellyStJohn-vt3do]

Anyone else have trouble with all of these new bikes with ultra-low BB height? Here in BC, Canada, our trails aren't all buff, bermed, park-like rides. We have technical, rocky, and steep uptracks, and more technical downs. I'm bangin' pedals constantly when riding/demo-ing many of the new long and low geometry bikes. Sounds like maybe the BB height on the Pivot isn't overly low?

[@MBRmagazine]

What length cranks are you running? Can always fit bigger volume tyres to raise the BB, and shorter cranks for more clearance.

[@KellyStJohn-vt3do]

Mountain Bike Rider whatever length crank arms that come stock on the various manufacturer's travelling demo fleets.

[@patricklyle4504]

Very surprised that Ibis wasn't considered.

[@indiebikes]

Outstandingly good and detailed review. Shows what the industry is coming to when a £5800 bike comes with SRAM GX! You can pay 70% less and get 95% of the performance, but can you really put a price on classy carbon?

[@thesim1990]

Reading through the comments I'm surprised at how little they mention the prices. I believe you can spend up to a price point and anything after that is diminishing returns, but hey, someone's got to rock up at the local trail centre waving their cock about and bragging.

[@mtbbuyersguide8491]

Would of like to see the new transition there but there mach 5.5 is one good looking bike, shame they're so expensive

[@bernardotamayo370]

No santa cruz ?

[@tomasbenes2960]

Can you guys please do a video on the Vitus Sommet Vr of Chain Reaction Cycles. I am interested in purchasing this bike but i can't find any in depth videos on it. Thanks

[@JFRides]

The WTB grips look really uncomfortable to use. I would slap some ESI grips on there straight away.

[@07BLUESTI]

Is Intense any good?

[@cheryee3659]

So which 1 still made in the USA ?

[@MTBdropIN]

is there a reason you did not test intense

[@Briangnc96]

MBR Magazine, great review! I've taken a Mach 5.5 and the new Mach 6 out to demo and loves both but unsure of which bike around the 140/160mm range to drop my coin. MBR or any others have experience on an Ibis HD4 to compare to the Pivots mentioned here? I will demo one but closest dealer is 4 hours away and that damn if that Jeffsy keeps catching my eye.

[@morganroberts4888]

Can you not do mid range bikes like 2000-2800

[@MBRmagazine]

We have plenty of tests on more affordable bikes if you take a look through our channel or on our website at www.mbr.co.uk

[@jasonskannes9757]

MBR, for park riding with lots of jumps which would you take calling or 5.5?

[@MBRmagazine]

Probably the Calling.

[@fleshrocker]

Love my Evil Calling!

[@graysonluck5359]

The 2018 Scout has improved a though

[@SJ.69]

Awesome review guys be cool to see more shoot outs like this

[@pvillaluna1]

This was a Great Review, Thank You!

[@steveb8269]

Hope you're watching Santa, I've been a good boy this year 😆

[@TheAtkinson118]

Steve Bingham i would have to be a good boy for more than this year for my Mrs to let Santa bring me one of these!!! Maybe the next 10years that way the price should drop a bit lol...these bikes are gorgeous but the price's are taking the piss!!

[@steveb8269]

Rob Atkinson ....True words those pal, crazy crazy prices, well out of my price range

[@mtb4l673]

Santa Cruz is coming to town

[@chadformentera4456]

You guys need to review the new Niner RIP 9 RDO.

[@scraigbaker]

I would have loved to hear your comparison including the new Yeti SB5 Lunch Ride!

[@kylewhite6916]

what about the INTENSE carbine or tracer

[@rewelbr]

Anyone has feedback on KHS bikes? 650b 6500?

[@Velo1010]

Wish the MBR Magazine KZbin videos would change two things: 1. The introduction- it's something that you might hear at the beginning of a drama movie or show. 2. The hosts- their tone of voice doesn't show any enthusiasm; it's a somber tone. Now GCN has some funny and enthusiastic hosts.

[@MBRmagazine]

We're not professional presenters, and we don't do this every day, so it doesn't always come naturally. Sorry! We're trying to get better though - hopefully some of the latest videos have been more engaging from that perspective.

[@SabrinaSt1986]

I'm 190 pounds and 5.7 inches tall, can I ride this bike

[@rodzeemateo7264]

Can i use hardtail and 160 travel fork.?

[@MBRmagazine]

Sure you can, but we'd consider the sweet spot around 140mm, otherwise you can get big swings in geometry through the travel.

[@Arrmawicked]

What bike park is this.

[@MBRmagazine]

trail kings it’s Wind Hill in the UK, run by B1ke.

[@tomsharpe8181]

Was really wanting a yeti sb6 here!

[@andreidjurkov9600]

Pivot all day long !

[@machiavelli_g4458]

The calling 🤙🏼

[@jameshughes5585]

I hold my hands up, i am a big santa cruz fan, however I really am not sure you guys are... a big american shoot out surely should include the new nomad and one of intense's new offerings. What you guys do is rad, but are you hating?

[@MBRmagazine]

Nomad is a much longer travel bike, so doesn't fit the test. Check out our first ride video from the launch for our first impressions of it though. We've also done a review of the Intense Recluse too elsewhere on our channel.

[@jameshughes5585]

MBR magazine the bronson fits the travel range, however i am not sure any aggressive trail bike can be pigeonholed with regard of travel.170mm travel bikes can now climb as well as a 140-150mm and can feel as nimble. Whilst i agree scb will not feature in every test, however when they are ones such as bike of the year and american superbike shootout then not including the likes of intense or santa cruz is a big oversight... i promise, no more grief from the direction after this... like the channel and you guys do a mint job. Cheers 🍻

[@MBRmagazine]

James hughes indeed and we tested the Bronson last year and loved it, in fact it won the test convincingly. The video is on our channel 👍

[@unconventional_health]

no kona?

[@rezrov21]

Kona is Canadian... sorta.

[@ColetraneMusic]

"A descent you'd only consider on an enduro bike" Is this what we have devolved to?! You can ride any bike anywhere.

[@JAFO.]

Like I always say, "Just because evil exists doesn't mean you have to choose it".

[@ivanmaza8001]

Bronson ???

[@jaykan1002]

Couple things about the transition scout... 1. Like other have mentioned, this is an older scout. 2018 is more long and slack 2. Based on your quoted price of 4,999, it appears to be the build kit 2. Website shows their 2017 build kit 2 comes with Pike RCT3, not a basic RC fork, so I'm a bit confused why your sample have a RC and not a RCT3 3. To continue number 2, build kit 2 should also comes with Sram X01. Based on the GX, and Pike RC, it appears that the bike you guys are reviewing in this video is actually their build kit 3, not 2. The build kit 3 comes in at 3900 English Pound, NOT 4,995 as indicated in this video. In short, you are comparing a 3900 bike to a 5500 and 5800 dollar bike. The description does say Carbon 3, so it looks like you guys just priced the bike wrong? Unless for whatever reason the build kit 3 cost as much as the build kit 2 in the states.

[@MBRmagazine]

It's a Scout Carbon 3, and the price is £4,999. The Carbon 2 is £5,999 and gets the better Pike and XO1 drivetrain. Hope this clears it up. Yes, it's the older model, and the version that the UK distributor sent to us. We're sure that, had the 2018 version been available, it would have sent that instead.

[@jaykan1002]

MBR magazine mhmm that’s odd because the American pricing for the carbon 3 kit is USD $5100. That translate to ~3900 pounds. So either someone is giving you guys the wrong pricing info or American pricing is that much cheaper. I checked the pricing on 2 different sites to confirm the MSRP as well.

[@jawhite531]

Why not yeti

[@evanhasson6032]

What the hell where is Yeti?

[@MBRmagazine]

Evan Hasson we wanted to get one but the timing didn’t work out with its launch schedule. Sorry!

[@evanhasson6032]

Darn. Well Maybe Next TIme

[@jakeallen7905]

Evil insurgent vs 2017 Santa Cruz nomad

[@inplaskett3101]

hell yeah, I live like half a kilometer from transitions new wearhouse

[@willthompson2208]

Doesn't Bernard Kerr own pivot(might be wrong)? Isn't he British?

[@speedster2]

Chris Cocalis owns Pivot Cycles. Bernard Kerr is a sponsored rider for Pivot.

[@BurnsRubber]

I don’t know the full story on mtb geo but here is a American boutique brand kona discussing long low and slack back in mid-2013 kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6XVpXeKpZaaa7M

[@MultiAlxndr]

A trio of American cars still sets the handling alarm bells ringing

[@on1ytheb3st]

Aren't the boutique small brand companies the first to adopt progressive geo while the massive companies like Trek and Giant come later

[@MBRmagazine]

Mondraker were the first, and they're not boutique.

[@raupenimmersatt6906]

Carter Hamlet normally yes. They don’t produce for the mass market so they can go more „extreme“. Your normal Speci Enduro rider just rides on weekends and only flow trails/ no really hard trails.

[@phantasma2323]

And the winner is Vitus 😂

[@masonlord5625]

Should have included The Spot mayhem or any of the yeti sb’s

[@saywhaatnow]

The transition is 500 and 800 pounds less than the other two... and you complain about the spec without mentioning that? I mean, I agree they should put the proper Pike on it... but still...

[@unconventional_health]

it is a proper pike

[@hollycow123445]

I think he means the RCt3 version pike

[@jaykan1002]

they also reviewed the kit 3, but priced it as the kit 2 in the video. So it's actually even bigger difference. 3900 vs 5500 and 5800.... 1600 difference.

[@aag3803]

EVIL THE BEST

[@Zeropadd]

😎

[@EverydayBiking]

hi

[@ronaldtartaglia4459]

How do they climb? JESUS.

[@hollycow123445]

American bike companies have been at the forefront of modern geometry...and if you want to lump all brands in that are "across the pond" just look at kona which was pushing slack bikes ages ago. Not sure where the intro of your video is coming from acting like North American companies have been behind the curve all this time...

[@MBRmagazine]

SchmeddyBallz we would say that Mondraker, Mojo/Nicolai and Pole have been pushing the boundaries of geometry. Santa Cruz, Intense and Pivot have been pretty conservative up until recently. That’s fair enough though - it would have been a big gamble four years ago to commit to such radical geometry. 👍

[@bodowling6337]

No yeti in that lineup ,,hmmmmm

[@jcmymtb1258]

What you mean “American”? All bikes are made in China, no? No all American brands are made there? To me “American” is not just a brand or a building, American means MADE IN AMERICA With the price of these bikes, they should at least be made in America and help our economy

[@angeljimenez2112]

Flex LCS pretty sure they mean American design. Not manufactured.

[@jcmymtb1258]

Angel Jimenez Pretty sure too I just dont like how people call American or European to lots of stuff made in china

[@angeljimenez2112]

Flex LCS yeah I hear that.

[@rezrov21]

Manufacturing in third world conditions for third world wages isn't something that Americans want to do. A company like Transition helps the American economy wayyyyyyy more than a boutique steel frame company that builds American, employs 2 people, and sells 25 frames a year.

[@cup_and_cone]

There are plenty of American made boutique bikes. You just have to pay for them.

[@love2wheels504]

FOES

[@mtb8396]

Overprice bikes ! Carbon it is from ages ! China bikes , no thanks.

[@RATBURL]

Bloke😂

[@cup_and_cone]

These bikes are as American as a Honda Civic.

[@smellmyfinger695]

What bike park is that?