An intro to Cataclysm - Cata Chat Podcast - Episode 1

An intro to Cataclysm - Cata Chat Podcast - Episode 1
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[@dennismeinschein4396]

Of course scottie doesnt want the catch up mechanics of gammas. He makes a ton of gold from gdkps.

[@henrybustos6974]

Cata hype. Will tune in every week. Let’s go!

[@Ewhit-je3os]

Thank you for the cata content! I’m really hyped for it and videos like this are only feeding the hype!

[@bigscrap84]

This is why people stop playing or dont play wow. It took you guys 30 min till you started talking about gatekeeping 😂😂

[@ClassicGho]

I don't like gatekeeping, a lot of what I was talking about was what I think Blizzard will do, and how Cata will be released. Have everything open at the start of the phase and I'd be totally fine, allow Both 10/25 to be an option to raid on the same toon, that's fine too! And any other gatekeeps Cata might bring.

[@partyboi69er]

CATA HYPE!

[@bigscrap84]

There isn't much.

[@thechosenone2596]

@@bigscrap84youre a professional hater, shitting on cata any short or video you can. are you trying to change peoples minds that are excited for it? very weird

[@WesleyHughston]

This dude has the most cooked takes, most of these podcasts degen into crying and complaining.

[@CloudStrife893]

Enjoyed this discussion quite a bit. I played so much cata skipping college classes. I’m about to go all in on it lol

[@SnowtownQC]

the whole debate at the start regarding 5man dungeon catch up vs simply doing the raid. they could just add those ''scourgestones'' or whatever it is in the previous' phase raid so that people would do it to get their loot and if they don't get it atleast they get some emblems to eventually get the loot?

[@martinprybylski2392]

If you are raid locked out by raids, you never will catch up to current content. You have to put them into dungeons so people can spam them and actually catch up. That's why its called "catch up" gear

[@kjukken15]

Do people really want to keep doing the same raid for several patches though? This is just speaking from my experience and social groups, but be it Wotlk, Classic, SoD. After a patch, two-three months of the same raid, we do not want to go back. I feel like if people really wanted to go do a raid to gear instead of dungeons, they would. I just don't think they want to. They want to get their gear and go to the next raid. This isn't a "gotcha" or "told you mate" moment, I'm just curious to know what other people think. Do you guys want to keep doing BoT Throne BwD after their launch patch?

[@wtfpwndomg]

Agree

[@The11connor11]

100% agree, the heroic + brings a lot of benefit for casual players and 95% of those casuals wouldn’t be raiding anyways without the heroic + and if the majority of people WANTED to be raiding to gear there would be raids forming but people don’t have the time to raid multiple times a week, and if they did have the time those characters probably wouldn’t need to “catch up” you would already be raid logging that character

[@Goobypls69]

I know I do. Something I thoroughly missed as we moved into Wrath versus Classic and TBC is old raids being kept alive due to some of the items in them actually being useful. A nice byproduct of that is the ilvl of items are closer in terms of power and don't take these massive jumps every raid tier as well. By the middle to end of the expac you actually have more things to do as opposed to the same amount or less things to do which helps fight that raid log meta a little bit.

[@bamsemats]

I like the idea of 5man dungeons having specific items and types of gear, transmogs or achievements from raids. E.g. the Soul Preserver trinket in wotlk, which was only available from normal CoS, which was the #1 trinket for holy paladins (and in some cases, still is) - no matter how much you raided, you could not get a better trinket for this class and spec. Having similar unique items being rare drops from dungeons, having achievements available, transmogs, etc, would make 5mans still relevant throughout the expansion, without them giving actual raid gear (which should only come from raiding, imo).

[@Valvad0ss]

scotte you are completely out of touch on the 5 man raid loot thing. Completely out of touch. I had to use 5 man gamma dungeons to get a trinket everyone and their mom won over myself. This isn't a one dimensional thing. You are wrong my friend.

[@bluburryyumyum1367]

Having bad rng is part of an mmo sometimes, maybe you fomo freaks that think you can't play the game if you don't get x item, are the out of touch bunch.

[@lukasnilsson6752]

CATA HYPE, love all your content mate tuning in for all your videos! got a random maybe even stupid question, im working out the quest im going to have as pre quest preparing into cataclysm and im wondering if daily quest work and gives xp for example picking up all the dailys in dun nifflaem, tournament grounds and the zeppelin in icecrown its 25 quest on a very dense area but does it work?

[@neodied408]

Dad gamer and Cata enthusiast here. I'd wager there are quite a few people like myself who have aged out of guild raiding now because the rigid schedule is incompatible with family life. But we still want gear progression beyond basic 5-man normal & heroic. Mounts/cosmetics/leaderboard are cool, but they're not my reason to keep logging in. Give me harder and harder 5-man content that rewards actual gear (not cosmetics). Sure, make the skin look worse than the raid gear so we know who the "real gamers" are (eyeroll at Scotty's comment about 5-mans not counting as playing the game). The more 5-man content you give me, the more hours I spend in Wow between diaper changes.

[@skoverton5553]

U just want m+ lol

[@Vroth23]

Is there any chance to get that spreadsheet link? ❤

[@brandonkruse6412]

You have to keep in mind, that public-beta builds are often several hundred fixes or weeks behind the development server. A lot of what’s been reported will likely get patched all at once.

[@minimohoha]

What about doing it the same way as retail, you giving the same items from dungs all the time but they ilvl upgrade of the dung item. And to be honnest Puging raids are horible for gear proggesion. If you find the wrong groupe you will never get anything out of it

[@matthewkeating-od6rl]

Great vid

[@cole8834]

I think one of the biggest issues people had with the world revamp was really* that the old world was gone forever and they couldnt access it. I wonder if Classic era existing will ease this entire issue.

[@matthewkeating-od6rl]

Go go

[@SporeShay]

I 100% agree with you on gammas taking away from raids Scotte. I have tried organizing Ulduar runs in the ToC phase and it was an absolute nightmare. Whenever you make raids like that people say "oh just do dungeons for the gear". But what about the people that enjoy raiding the raid? At least in TBC you had people still doing Kara during the Sunwell phase.

[@Steven-zj6bw]

Did you guys talk about Cata fresh severs?

[@BraveBob13]

I feel like then point about counter spell at 9 for the murlocs in Elwyn is 100% the reason we get it at 9 😂

[@ClassicGho]

Hahaha. That heal is BRUTAL!

[@kafaen2]

I dont enjoy raiding, but I love dungeons. Adding more difficulty to dungeons (that also drops relevant gear) would be great imo. It doesn’t cut content, because I don’t raid, so it only adds content.

[@ClassicGho]

Agreed!

[@m4ster_root]

I'm aware that both Goblin and Wogen are available, but as you just said a few seconds before commenting on how they haven't done internal testing of the Goblin (and Wogen) zones... Latest blue post still says: "At this time, the following are unavailable for testing in the Cataclysm beta: ... Goblins and Worgen Races" Even though we could create them, the official message was still that they weren't ready for testing. So we really can't complain about a blocked quest and I 100% think they were fully aware that Goblins were blocked. IT'S A BETA. If something doesn't work as expected, report it and move on, there are many other races to test, many other zones to test, many other quests to test. As you've all said yourselves, this is not a final product, but you seem to fall straight down the same pitfall as many players do. And considering how much has changed in Cata, it's not really any worse than the other Cata betas! Regarding inviting too many players this will always be an issue. Whom should you invite or not invite? Being a streamer or knowing Cata does not necessarily make you good at QA! I'm a nobody (software engineer) who signed up for the beta immediately. I'm so happy that I got invited. I love beta testing and I always sign up to test games I like. I made a Wogen. That required som parkour but was doable. Reported the lack of water as well. Jumped around exploring areas I wasn't supposed to. It's rare to get a view without water and especially the Wogen zone is quite interesting. Finally fell into a crack in the ground, got stuck, couldn't hearth out... Oh well, I knew what I was doing... I then made a Goblin, got stuck at a flying shark who was excellent at evading. I guess Moses split the waters... Reported it and moved on... Leveled a Draenei Shaman in their starting zone... Leveled a Human Mage to experience some of the changes to the world and quests... Moses brought the water back... I could finally get out of my Wogen hole, so that's the character I've continued on and still play on. Expect bugs... Expect blocked progression... Report it. But most of all... Don't cry about it! And regarding mass reporting. I'm sure they have a filter system for dealing with reports. Even the global feedback/bug reports that aren't linked to a specific item, quest or other feature. It really shouldn't be that big a deal if people report something that is not a bug, but their own mistake for not reading a quest. The state of this beta is perfectly fine as a beta. Whether or not they were forced to release it now or not, I really don't know, but it doesn't matter anyways. The only real issue is how silent Blizzard is. Even just a few words saying they're not yet ready to speak would be fine. Just knowing they're there would be fine. Knowing what to test and what's known to be broken would be nice, but essentially one can assume that we need to test everything related to leveling and traversing the revamped zones.

[@TrueLoser]

most of the time 10m was more difficult so bragging rights were reserved for 10m guilds.

[@brandonkruse6412]

It’s almost as if the people hating on Cataclysm either didn’t play or didn’t remember how fun the leveling and max level content was.

[@albeshino8875]

👍🏻 Gho you smell. Defly lookin fwd to the next cata episode! thx

[@ClassicGho]

Thanks lol

[@Jollstah]

Go You Smell 👍

[@user-te3he3sd3l]

Who cares if people get the old gear easier? how does this effect you in any way? You are an established player, with loads of people that you know. Things are much, much easier for you than for those of us that play with 2-3 friends for 2 hours a night. It doesn't matter.

[@jacobosborne3070]

It kills any reason to go back and do old raids

[@Wadell449]

Couldn’t agree more why are people so concerned about catch up mechanics in a version of wow that you can just buy gold and join a gdkp anyway. It’s already trivialized why not make gammas.

[@GokuIRL]

"Who cares" arguments always result in "well some people care" answers

[@Wadell449]

@@GokuIRL purchase your gear in a gdkp or run a mythic level difficulty dungeon with a few of your guildies. Which one sounds more fun? I can tell you the one I think trivializes the previous tier of gear more. Truth is as long as gear for irl money and the wow token exists getting previous tier gear has been a joke for years already. I would have infinitely more fun doing mythic difficulty dungeons than sitting half afk in a gdkp on my alt.

[@TheFalopi]

@@Wadell449 Not everyone that enjoys GDKPs spends real money.

[@connordubbeld7682]

What if they make Gamma gear a higher Ilvl than heroics gear w/ no set bonus like the raid gear has. That way the raid gear is still much better

[@Muffnman007]

as far as tanking goes threat from memory was never an issue, without any vengence you can still hold threat, vengence just made threat generation insane

[@jkotarsky]

55:51 I don't get these odd balls. Scottejaye is RIGHT

[@jkotarsky]

I like horseradish. FUCK Ketchup gear. I never liked it, never will. What a waste of time it makes the game pointless.

[@andromidius]

Also, there's two things I still want to do in Wrath - but they aren't going to happen (before prepatch, at least). I want to raid 25 man again and for my casual guild to beat Lich King heroic. Can't raid 25 man because my raiding guild barely survived Christmas downgrading to 10 man, casual guild isn't quite capable of HLK 10 man even though everything else is very comfortable (and I hate to say it - it is a skill issue). Prepatch might bring people back and will give a chonky buff to our characters - so doing both might be doable then. Just not now. Right now the longer we wait the more likely my friends will quit the game and not come back.

[@whoopsie321]

buffing 5 mans would be huge

[@bardymcbardface5436]

Gho you smell 👍. First time I've ever seen your podcast. I'm also a returning player from log ago, dipped my toes in with SoD but now I'm leveling up some chars ahead of cata.

[@ClassicGho]

Welcome back! Thanks for checking us out! And I don't smell that bad! Honest!

[@TrueLoser]

i played cata and loved it back in the day. my fear is blizzard will ruin the gearing in cata. its perfect. it does not take long to raid. we raided on 4 characters back in cata because it was so easy to raid. raid logging on 1 toon really doesn't take that long. catch up gear is perfect. its more about mechanics and knowing your class than gear. uber casuals and hardcore raiders are pretty similar. its just skill.

[@JasonGriffis-iv9ri]

We need the under water raid we never got at Throne of the Tides

[@jankoskiller8723]

When Firelands come out you can buy raid 359 ilvl gear with Justice Points and normal Firelands gear with Valor Points. Not everything but a lot of things. I don't know what would gamma dungeons drop. The gear you can already buy by doing HC dungeons?

[@rahyrarpg1600]

So currently gamma dungeons drop ulduar gear, and the currency you get form gamma you can get TotC gear. so it would just be another way to gear up to relevant content

[@oakhousemedia]

When are you going to get a St. Louis Cardinals hat??

[@ab-zh5ml]

we also had ppl that still needed the legendary healing weapon from ulduar and ppl did NOT want to go back. It has nothing to do with the gear being available in 5 mans. If you want ppl to go into old raids, you have to give NEW incentive. Like the quests they had for the one boss kill but it has to be more than that. it is difficult to get ppl to do old raids. I am also one of those that would like to run alts through old content but unless it is face roll easy, ppl will not want to do it. PPL want to do other stuff in the game besides raiding. So they raid 2-3 nights, they want to do other stuff on the off days. not go back and do OLD raids. they want to farm, run heroics, run battlegrounds. The argument hat ppl that don't raid do not have a need for raid gear is also rediculous. Everything you do in the game benifits from having better gear. You don't get gear just to raid. you get gear to make life easier.

[@InquisitorEden]

👍 Go you sleep Scotte!

[@BraveBob13]

Is not getting mage food until 38 reeeeeaaally a big deal? Seems so strange to argue that when end game is 85 and… you can just go buy water

[@Bruce-fq3ho]

the guy on the bottom right green screened a messy room background to make us think hes a better wow player

[@Shadowffoxx]

Yeah. My room was a mess!!! Too bad I don’t have an extra room to just move into. Oh well, next time!!

[@jordanfedele8247]

Scotty having a tantrum if you want out of phase gear, Jesus Christ mate, get over it. It’s no longer relevant for you, let people have their gear.

[@illiji915]

there's actual relevance for multiple people from previous tier in Cata due to the ilvls between tiers being much closer together than they are in WotLK tier to tier. My main uses at least a trinket from T11 in T12 and agi users and basically every caster and maybe others have BiS that drops in Firelands that lasts the rest of the expansion (no upgrade from normal or even heroic dragon soul)

[@wtfpwndomg]

What’s “phase gear”?

[@jordanfedele8247]

@@wtfpwndomg gear from previous phase

[@illiji915]

@@wtfpwndomg "out of phase" would be tier 11 gear when Firelands is out and Firelands gear would be "in phase"

[@GokuIRL]

I don't know about wow anymore - it's a fun game but the problem is the people who play it are fking cooked

[@koopk1]

cater clysm

[@kreaturekie6753]

remember that time in lk classic and all the xtra gear from Heroic+ gamas droped and people could not get 3d done or 10man uldar? all this extra gear dose not change a lack of simple skill . logs and parse are cancer but there a product of crap players

[@Shlnigamii]

Ok, how da fuck you got down rag H and not Sinestra? Rag was whole new level of heroic

[@fumac]

Hi, please don't take this the wrong way, but would it be possible to cut it down to the important moments for the game? This is so long that even I can't finish it.

[@ClassicGho]

It would be really hard to do. There’s always so many tangents with every show, we could be talking about one topic, move to the next, then go back to a topic from 30 min ago. This is also a shorter episode. They are usually 4-6 hours. It’s just the style/flow of the show! There’s a prime example in this episode where I tried to bring us back on topic, and Scotte immediately diverted back off and I think I pointed it out.

[@fumac]

@@ClassicGho I understand. I guess the content will remain hidden forever. It will be a mystery to me. Jokes aside, this is just a valid answer and I'm looking forward to playing it sometime. Thanks

[@PoppaeaMortecia]

You give di to a mage you're doing it wrong. Di is shadow prio followed by boomy

[@aggraman8063]

Remove titanrune dungeons, it's unnecessary. The main complaint of wow from cata onwards was it was "too easy", "dumbed down", "catering for the socials too much" then you want to repeat these same issues in the classic version? Leave it alone, don't fix what isn't broken!

[@OoZedyoO]

go - you smell. And I like it ;-) /run away

[@ClassicGho]

You didn’t add “wonderful”. Clearly didn’t watch the whole show! 😜 jk, thanks for proving my point that people watch the whole VoD!

[@dukesemperfi]

All rbgs were 10v10

[@mothypants1879]

Big disagree with Scotty in an hour in. In dragon flight you can get tier from m+ and people still raid. If they add gamma dungeons in Cata it's not going to kill the raid content. People are always going to raid.

[@tribbybueno]

i genuinely havent seen an ulduar run on bene or faerlina in over 6 months. i think thats his point

[@rahyrarpg1600]

yeah you have 0 incentive to run the previous tier at all thanks to gammas@@tribbybueno

[@Nilzalot]

Naxxramas, Ulduar and to some extent ToGC raiding are dead because of Gamma dungeons. What are you smoking?

[@mothypants1879]

@@Nilzalot hopefully something better than you with that attitude

[@The11connor11]

I agree that I don’t see a problem with how heroic + is in its current form, I’ve enjoyed doing the raiding content on my main but working a full time job I’m unable to realistically dedicate time to raiding on multiple characters, if the gearing was strictly through raiding content I just wouldn’t have any gear on my Alts and I feel like a lot of other people fit into that category, heroic + is adding content and fun that would otherwise not be there.

[@Goobypls69]

100% agree with Scotte that gammas and that style of catch up loot system don't have a place in Cata. And frankly I didn't like them in Wrath that much. I'd much rather go knock out old raids than spam the same dungeons I've been doing since bloody launch of the expac. I didn't play a lot of gammas because I liked it, it's because they were the most efficient way of getting some gear on an alt or even main which everyone else realized and you couldn't even do full runs of old raids if you wanted to.

[@Gravesmasher23]

Your statment is wrong. You said "adding 5man, but removing raid content" . No no no , that is not what is happening. Its adding 5man QUEUE content, instead of raid. The reason is simple, casual joe cant get a spot in a raid, because people gatekeep. IF you can queue, you force people together. The reason queueing is so BIG in retial, is because casuals get FORCED into groups. People don't like to be gatekeept. Your mindset "if they don't have the time to raid, why get the gear" People love gear to do open world easier or to look cool. The mindset you just said, is the reason reatil is gotten worse each year. most people in wow is casauls, you saying 80% (random number, but its BIG) Fuck em.

[@kreaturekie6753]

i said it since vanilla gear should be the best at... pve gear for pve and no good in raids and pvp pvp gear for pvp and no good in raids and pve Raid gear for raids no good in pve and pvp Pve is something that always gets ignored and should have epic and above chains that take 1/2 a phase nerfs from pvp is cancer that ruins everything for environment and raids imagine 5 times the drops but you need to run the raids in order to progress ie phase run and up

[@bstring7773]

You can't ruin content you werent gonna do. Does he not see the arguement? Wth 😅

[@dylanwright6632]

Tier from dungeons was a good idea, forget the guy who said it wasn't.

[@JBelmont7]

Shadow stating early in the podcast that you couldn’t pay him to play SoD and then near the end asking why people can’t just enjoy their version of WoW and drop the hate was quite funny.

[@Shadowffoxx]

Hey man. No hate for those that enjoy SoD. But you couldn’t pay me to play it. But I’m glad that people have an avenue in which to play the versions of wow they DO enjoy.

[@Muffnman007]

"the old world is gone" this is the mentality of the people stuck in SoD, always going back, the game is supposed to PROGRESS, moving forward, retail turned to shit, SoD is polishing a turd, when the players stop enabling blizzard releasing dogshit content or old content more than once for a 2nd chance then we will get an ACTUAL NEW EXPERIENCE, WoW 2. I've been saying this for years. Personally I'll be quitting classic when MoP is released because that's the worst gameplay ever was. Might go check out AoC if its released by then.

[@DrewAmongTheFence78]

You could not be more wrong. MoP had the best class gameplay and overwhelmingly positive reviews from every class and spec. Can't imagine what class or spec you think has the worst gameplay in MoP.

[@thomasdodsworth2818]

Gho you smell 👍

[@ericlol99]

👍Scottejaye you smell

[@user-te3he3sd3l]

I know they wont do it, but it would be sick if they would do a fresh start cata server.

[@soab24]

Seriously. I've been playing Classic from release in August 2019 up until Ulduar and just that small break made me fall so far behind in terms of gold i don't see how i'm supposed to get back into the game when cata releases...

[@user-te3he3sd3l]

I am glad that my opinion on the matter has other people that feel the same way. most of these wow streams that I watch, though I do enjoy them, are the players who have been playing the game 20 years, know tons of people, get plenty of help, and then on stream make it seem like its super easy to just jump in and play whenever.@@soab24

[@jacobosborne3070]

@@soab24Fresh servers ALL died about a month after release in Wrath. Don't roll there.

[@user-up8hy4te6f]

If they did no wow token and enforced faction balance like in SOD then I'd be down

[@GokuIRL]

Nah fresh servers died, people play on the servers that keep their characters progress.

[@willbeer1076]

Hahaha I bet scotte was the one guy trying to save wow back in the day, raid gear from 5 mans is bad for many reasons... but for me raid gear should be from raids, don't just hand out trinkets willy nilly, makes nothing rare.

[@wtfpwndomg]

So you think that after a year of WotLK, with all raids released, new players/alts would go back and start with naxx10..?

[@The11connor11]

@@wtfpwndomgthey wouldn’t or at most they would do it once, what would happen is they would raid log their mains and there would be less people in the world throughout the week on average. The dungeons bring more content for the casual player base to actual go and do in a digestible form, casuals don’t have the time to raid 4+ hours every night most can only do max 2 nights a week.

[@ab-zh5ml]

I could not disagree more with Scottie on the old raid loot being moved into dungeons. That was one of the best things that Blizz has ever done. Also, the push for challenge mode stuff needs to stop. You are full of crap when you say challenge mode dungeons were the most popular thing in original. That is a lie. Just because it was something YOU enjoyed, didn't make it the most popular. Challenge modes are what led to mythic plus speed race mode nonsense. But they are worse because they lower your gear. The ENTIRE purpose of an MMO is to increase the power of you character by LEVEL and by GEAR. Anytime you force ppl to lower their gear to do content is BAD. We want to get better gear to make content easier. That is the game and it needs to always be based on that. Challenge modes are for ppl that are bored. Not to make content relevent. Do challenge modes for old raids if you want to make them relevent.

[@Ewhit-je3os]

I think the reason why ICC lasted so long is because blizzard did not expect to move to cataclysm afterwards.

[@wtfpwndomg]

Elaborate please

[@Ewhit-je3os]

@@wtfpwndomg when wotlk came out, blizzard originally assumed that was gonna be the end of it. They didn’t decide that cata was going to happen until way later. So now we are stuck in another “content drought” because they decided during icc that cata was for sure going to happen.

[@JBelmont7]

👍🏻 Gho you smell

[@ClassicGho]

Thanks bro!

[@markshepherd4791]

Is it just me or is scotty aging like a fine wine 🤔

[@wtfpwndomg]

Why doesn’t this dude want us with families/work be able to get some gear in 5 mans?😅

[@mattyice5696]

How the hell do these people know if I ran gammas for fun or not? Jesus christ you guys cry alot. Not surprised people that make tons of gold from gdkps don't want catch up mechanics

[@Scottejaye]

Well....did you?

[@mattyice5696]

@@Scottejaye not hos or hol, but I did enjoy most of the others

[@Scottejaye]

haha fair play

[@Myrddin88]

I'm with Scotte don't mess with loot progression in Cata. I do want longetivity for 5 mans, but give it to us in the form of challenge modes for cosmetics: mounts, non-combat pets, transmog only gear.

[@wtfpwndomg]

What does it matter to you (a raider I suppose?) if some random dude get some t1 gear when you’re raiding like t3-4 content..?

[@Myrddin88]

@@wtfpwndomg I do raid, but am hardly cutting edge. I want to need to progress through raids without being pushed along by an arbitrary schedule that says "this tier is done, back to dungeons because no one is going to run it anymore". Scotte hit it on the nose talking about good luck getting an ulduar run going now. Additionally, things like challenge modes keep dungeons relevant for all levels of player without forcing anyone to run them to keep up with the Jones. You can drop in at any time, any gear level, and it's just down to player skill. If Assanus the holy paladin has to bail for 3 months because of some big project at work, challenge modes are something they can pop in to play and it doesn't matter that their gear is 2 tiers stale.

[@jacobosborne3070]

That whole argument around 5 man gammas being for players with limited time doesn't add up. It takes far far far longer to gear through gammas than it does through raids on a fresh toon.

[@AecoYT]

How long does a raid take? You think someone who can play maybe an hour or two at a time, MAX, can do raids, including groupfinding, etc.? No, but they can do dungeons. Even if the overall time to gear is more in the end, the time it takes to complete a raid is just not something that everyone has and there should be alternatives. You can squeeze in a dungeon at the end of the day when you're tired, but you won't be able to raid.

[@soseN08]

no it doesn't?

[@rahyrarpg1600]

you can run as many gammas as you want, im currently helping some guildies/new recuiters to gear up and they are already nearly 220 after just a few evenings of gammas (and ICC dungeons)

[@Valvad0ss]

it really doesn't....what are you talking about

[@jacobosborne3070]

@@Valvad0ssYou have to do like 90 gammas for a full gear set. Gammas are good to chase 1 good item like Flare or Mjolnir but are a horrible way to gear alts. You can go ToC with some bros and gear up in about an hour.

[@andromidius]

Cata 'Heroic+' dungeons should only give threethings: more valour, achievements and cosmetics. The gear isn't necessary. Maybe add more items to the vendors that help fill gaps in gearing, just at a similar item level. The moment you add actual tangible power to 5 mans they become sweaty and elitist, thus not being the path to a new player getting gear anyway and defeating the purpose. A bit like how original LFR was immediately abused for set bonuses and trinkets.

[@illiji915]

the expansion already has plenty of catchup mechanics. it's an MMO not a single-player RPG. Devs shouldn't cater to people that are only playing 5-10hr a week. You can do 7 random heroics for valor points that buy current ilvl gear and you can do them all in 1 day or spread out through the week whenever you have time unlike WotLK where you have to do 1 gamma per day for the dailies. Each rep has like 4 359 epics (usually 1 item each for tank/dps/caster/healer), then when Firelands comes out, we get ZA/ZG and the Molten Front which adds more catch up gear that is unlocked via doing dailies for a week or 2. Dragon Soul brings 3 dung just like ICC did for even more catchup gear. There's BiS items from the previous raid tier for multiple people at every stage of Cataclysm. T11 has a couple BiS items for some people in Firelands, Firelands has the legendary for people to work on after Dragon Soul comes out along with multiple BiS items for people over anything available in Dragon Soul (agi back and caster neck are top off the top of my head)

[@AecoYT]

"Only 5-10hrs a week"? That's more than enough time spent on any one game. There are people who have maybe half an hour to 45 mins at a time to play WoW, and not every day. Most WoW players aren't 15 anymore where you could play WoW for 70 hours or more per week.

[@thechosenone2596]

"only 5-10 hours a week" youre completely out of touch with the average person with a job and responsibilities and a life outside of wow. The mental gymnstatics you had to do to consider 5 man content a part of "single player RPG" is hilarious. Idk how you typed that unironically

[@illiji915]

@@thechosenone2596 I don't consider dungeon content "single-player" content. I said WoW is an MMO not a single-player RPG. If you can't play enough to raid, and you can't play without raiding, don't play. Cataclysm on it's own has multiple paths of catch up gear at every tier while also having gear from the previous tier still BiS or near BiS in the next tier. There's literally no need to add something like previous tier raid normal gear to heroic+ dungs

[@illiji915]

@@AecoYT so if they only have 30-45min to play at a time, why do they need raid gear? they're not going to raid because they can't play for 2-3hr in 1 session. All these arguments for the "casual" player sound like defending people that shouldn't be playing WoW and have the time to game fit more for a single-player RPG that you can take at your own pace

[@AecoYT]

@@illiji915Because they might have the time at some point, just not as often. Vacations exist, for example. And because they might want to have it just to have it. "They shouldn't be playing WoW" is exactly why apparently "the game is dead" all the time. It's all about minmaxing and gatekeeping. All those who don't want do that are slowly bullied out, either by the other players or the game systems, which seems to be the case in almost all versions of WoW

[@Muffnman007]

separate the lockouts, enable people to do 10 and 25 without loot penalties, it was one of the worst decisions they made because it split the player base. Its going to be shorter than original and blizzard need to stop being so stingy with loot.

[@Muffnman007]

The classic argument "I don't have time" that's a you problem mate.

[@wtfpwndomg]

So WoW is just for people with tons of free time to spend on the game? I think Blizzard wants to cater to a larger audience than that.

[@Muffnman007]

@@wtfpwndomg that's the line of thinking that destroyed the game in the first place

[@wtfpwndomg]

@@Muffnman007 Destroyed? It gets better each expansion up until MOP!

[@Xcizkx]

Let stop work on cata…. And focus more on Sod?.

[@user-up8hy4te6f]

Whatever team is working on current classic servers and introduced the wow token better keep their hands away from sod

[@adamg59]

No thanks

[@ShaddyzZz]

I dont get why you guys are trying so hard. Classic dies with wrath. We’re now going into retail cathegory, and with SoD being so popular i dont see cata being the success story that tbc and wrath was. You can also already play Cata on a private server. Nah, i dont see any hype for cata at all, except from you guys.

[@ClassicGho]

It does get closer to Retail style for sure, but still a very clear difference between Cataclysm and Dragonflight. SoD is huge, and I plan on playing it more than Cata, but I'm also getting more hype to play both than only playing one or the other. You can play a version of Cata on Private servers which will be completely different than Cata Classic, and there's also SoD-Like servers people could be playing too like Turtle WoW, but people still play Both.

[@IggyHitokage]

Better comment on every Cata video so people know you're not playing Cata.

[@brimstonevalar6053]

Because they are making money

[@ClassicGho]

@@brimstonevalar6053Or, hear me out, we love playing Classic, and enjoy talking about it with our friends. The amount of money we make each episode is laughable. Doesn't even cover the alcohol we drink during the show!

[@Mscmann]

Cata isn't any closer to retail than WotLK. For example the old world has been irrelevant since TBC so Azeroth revamp doesn't matter.

[@MyPetGooseLarry]

Gho you smell 👍

[@ClassicGho]

[@CozyProduction]

Gho you smell 👍

[@ClassicGho]