Andrew Doyle: Pride Is an Anti-Gay Movement

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Hello friends! After you get over laughing at KZbin for their ironically embarrassing themselves with this "Trevor Project" blue box context warning label about the dangers of conversion therapy... I recommend you check out the full conversation with Andrew here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4O4iWN5ecd4mKs If you want to stay up to date with Dad Saves America, please subscribe here on KZbin or over on Substack, where you can find weekly articles and the audio version of the podcast, with more to come in the near future! www.dadsavesamerica.com

[@JoshuaRed-v4f]

@@DadSavesAmerica Ah yes conversion therapy. The practice that resulted in generations of trauma and set the conditions for the suicide epidemic

[@angiesmith5995]

It was a very nice reminder to go and make another donation to The Trevor Project. Thanks.

[@georgevavoulis4758]

It sure F'n he'll goes against MASCULINE GAY MEN especially against BEARS and LEATHER MEN . I challenge you to gobto any gay hood and you'll NEVER see BEAR PRIDE ,LEATHER PRIDE flag anywhere

[@sonicsnake44]

​@@JoshuaRed-v4f Can't the same be said about trans conversion therapy.

[@koalanectar9382]

I'm sorry but I only know that conversion therapy is bad when youtube tells me.

[@macchiatomachiato]

as a gay man i see more and more gay and lesbian people recognising this ……. they no longer represent us👏

[@adamgoodword7888]

Yeh, it's everywhere on the internet now. There are thousands of comments from people in the LGBT community that want absolutely nothing with all this fringe, far left woke nonsense. who want nothing to do with the Pride movement.

[@doe729]

They never did.

[@Imwatchingyou2023]

Yep! My fiancé and I talk about this often. They don’t represent us lesbians or gays

[@ralexandra1058]

Yup. The LBG needs to divorce the TQ. The extremist TQ are harming the entire community

[@Gritt982]

Exactly this. Agreed 💯.

[@hospitalsgivingpatientsdan8894]

FEELINGS OF FEMININITY IN MALES IS DIFFERENT TO BEING FEMALE

[@OHJojo-]

Us gay people already know this, knew this and proved this.

[@michelledavis2604]

How do you know you know how other people feel?

[@michelledavis2604]

​@@OHJojo-how did you prove it?

[@peterjermey7235]

That's why trans and gay people are not the same and nobody is claiming they are

[@hospitalsgivingpatientsdan8894]

@@michelledavis2604 because male and female is biological parts not feeling

[@k-doggy1762]

As a gay man I agree with everything said. Often discuss with my boyfriend how pride has been hijacked by nutjobs who have nothing to do with homosexuality. Subscribed.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

It was called the lgbt community since the 1970s. You've been "allies" for 50 years now.

[@andrewfoster4359]

​@@silverhawkscape2677 true but its the nut jobs from the last 10years or so who've hijacked pride.

[@VauxhallViva-s8x]

@silverhawkscape2677 Those of us who were out in the 80 and 90s see through these lies. The T was only added in recent memory. And it’s proving to be a disaster for gay people.

[@Catherine.Dorian.]

Yeah cause by todays standards you’re not gay, you’re a straight woman trapped in a man’s body

[@jamessorrel]

I'm a gay man too and I feel like trans is just a Trojan horse to get rid of the gay at times. IDK how the pride movement got c-opted but we need to turn this bus around lol

[@Justintime619]

As a gay man, THANK YOU!🙏 the “trans” movement has done so much damage to the real lgb equality…

[@juliangodsend9418]

As a “Gay” man you too need to repent,this is all disgusting,this is ANTI-CHRIST

[@patmanchester8045]

I am not Gay, but I sympathize with their cause. Having been a woman in basically male jobs ( in the 70's) I can only guess ...So I have been telling people about this too. One thing that worries me is non trans, non Gay, people are getting on the band wagon and have become anti women ( anti feminists ) and anti Gay, as well. If I were a lesbian there is no way I would want to give a blow job, I do not care how much like a woman the person is. Also, another thing trans people want to negate, is that you may be trans gender, but you are still a person of you biological sex, and that is also something a gay person is not interested in. but YOU know that.

[@JoshuaRed-v4f]

@@Justintime619 Lgbtq rights isn't a fight against each other. Keep trying to throw minorities under the bus because you're a needy, whiny, bigot who want all the attention.

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Justin, I appreciate that, and your willingness to watch me work through my own concerns in dialogue.

[@michelledavis2604]

@@Justintime619 get over yourself

[@JG-qt3pn]

Decades of effort and gain by the LGB community, lost by the T.

[@gwenechotaylor96]

Yup.

[@theresas740]

@JG-qt3pn "lost" has such an "oops!" feeling to it. I rather think the T has pissed away our decades of effort and gain.

[@notyourordinarygran]

We can't blame actual transexuals, but the 'gender iseology' bandwagon. No one invited them under the 'umbrella'.

[@adamgoodword7888]

Exactly. The Pride Movement is setting the rights of LGBTQ Community back by decades. This far left, fringe, woke, freak show known as Pride Movement is encompassing all the normal people in the LGBTQ community creating this false perception that they too are all weird. LGBT have fought for "respect" and recognition as regular people in the community. Pride is robbing them of this respect. Now everyone thinks that all LGBT people are Pride freaks.

[@ShooberTimber]

@@theresas740 true, "destroyed" is the correct term to be used here instead of lost.

[@Ctrooper2011]

That box "clarifying" conversion therapy from the trevor project just shows how the algorithm is threatened by the video's truth.

[@DadSavesAmerica]

At what point will Google realize that these blue boxes hurt their brand and make the platform look like it’s run by lunatics.

[@ellisdunegan]

​@@DadSavesAmericait's taking too long.

[@ronalzky]

I completely agree. I recommend clicking the option to send feedback to KZbin explaining your opposition to the Trevor Project banner.

[@ReverendDr.Thomas]

​@@DadSavesAmerica Do you use any of the following (somewhat euphemistic) terms? • gay • homophobia/homophobe • transphobia/transphobe • trans-sexual • transgender • Intersex • cis gender • sex worker • African-American • capitalism/capitalist • any gender-specific pronoun other than he/she, him/her or his/her Then CONGRATULATIONS - you are (either knowingly or unwittingly) a silly shill for the loony left!

[@dcollins4679]

​@@DadSavesAmericaLook like? 🙂

[@gildastarr2932]

Soon as they started chanting *we're coming for your children* I abandoned "pride"

[@gamezswinger]

Catholicism🔱 says "We're coming for your children" through the process of indoctrination. Catholicism seeks to shape the beliefs of the younger generation through indoctrination. However, many Catholics bravely choose to renounce or abandon their faith and religious affiliation-and with good reason.

[@jislaaikrockadopolis7215]

Just be clear about who "they" are. "THEY" are just a bunch of loudmouth, rainbow-hair idiots who spend most of their time making up ridiculous rules on social media and expecting everyone to follow them. Just ignore them and they'll eventually go away.

[@pettykittyfam]

👏 👏 👏 Dang straight (pardon the pun 😂)

[@benjaminwyatt3778]

Dave Chapelle was right, except now the T’s aren’t just asking to pull the progress car over…they’re slashing the tires and trying to kick the driver out the door

[@theresas740]

I said this 30 years ago when ftm's (that was the language, grow up) wouldn't leave our lesbian-only group, it's one thing to make waves together, it's another to board someone else's boat and try to steer.

[@michelledavis2604]

Especially Dylan mulvaney. She's so aggressive.

[@morrishansford3316]

Amen

[@DarkAngel2512]

​​@@theresas740the language in UK up until 2017 was "transsexual man".

[@nacho-mammy]

@@michelledavis2604she? Lol where?

[@ronaldkable]

I've never been into the alphabet soup. I'm a gay man

[@Attmay]

Too many carbs.

[@akirahimurakinakiyama99]

Same I’m also a gay man and I’m also an actual autistic man on top of that

[@Drool4Drama]

Agree! I no longer want anything to do with the lgbtqia+blaha. It's just too toxic. I'm just a lesbian, standing proudly outside of the lgbtq-whacko umbrella.

[@lordfarquaad7896]

@@akirahimurakinakiyama99are you also a top? Rare these days, I’m asking for a friend… let me know

[@liaml.e.5964]

Same here

[@joshspeed7794]

As a gay married man, both my husband and I are conservative having left the crazy left. We 100% agree with this podcast's perspective. We don't want to be associated with this far left insane hijacking of the gay, lesbian, bisexual community. I think a growing percent of gay men want to be left alone, true libertarians, who support the nuclear family, pro freedom, etc, but we are not the most visible nor useful to a corrupt media who seek to divide and conquer by leaning into the crazy loudest minority of gays for clicks and views.

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

And other political goals.

[@Bkn1BttmDo11a]

GAYS FOR TRUMP🫶🏳️‍🌈🇺🇸🩷

[@josephgeorgeejr7039]

God bless you "sir"!!

[@adynathaly3145]

While most trans are in support the nuclear family structure.

[@ted1091]

I'm as far left as you can be, but I agree with this video. I'm 68 and was on the front lines of the Gay Rights Movement since 1974.

[@laurentt.3403]

Also I am homosexual and I confirm I feel that shift in mind about 5 to 10 years now. I begin to see some strange pseudo religious stuff around pride also.

[@WinstonSmithGPT]

@@laurentt.3403 Male and female “souls?” WTF???

[@winxclubstellamusa]

Yes!! The TQ+ is absolutely an ideology, which makes it a religion!

[@kelseycoleman8068]

I kinda noticed that to. From what I’ve seen they really sound like they want to be the default. Erase the biological woman and replace them and then weirdly trick the straight men who don’t want anything to do with trans stuff into thinking they’re women. I find it extremely weird that some of them specifically go for straight people and have even admitted it. There are videos of people actually lying to these men after sex and the men are distraught. They didn’t say they were trans until afterwards and some of them enjoy seeing them breakdown. Its twisted and evil.

[@adamgoodword7888]

Great point! There truly is some form of religious movement that has risen up out of the Pride movement. We're seeing a perversion of churches/religions/pastors. Pride is no longer about rights and being proud of who you are but an agenda hell bent on corrupting everything and anything, including the mindsets of school children.

[@saoliath5000]

yup. Trans ideology in particular is often no different or coercive than some person preaching their religion. Calling someone transphobic is realistically no different than calling someone a sinner.

[@sirguy6678]

Douglas Murray (jokingly) warned about the end of Gay men with the trans conversion. I believe huge lawsuits against butcher doctors and aggressive psychologist will bring some resolve to this issue

[@JoshuaRed-v4f]

@@sirguy6678 I'm not sure if it was a joke. Homophobes genuinely believe trans women are failed gay men. Bigots aren't smart

[@js4740]

In normal times perhaps, but these arent normal times and the judiciary isnt behaving normally.

[@WallydarlingEDIT]

Let’s really hope so but I’m not holding my breath . As a society we used to go crazy at anyone hurting children but these days it’s being encouraged and legalised by governments. The damage this new LGBTQ movement has done will not come to light for years even though support for this group is declining massively due to these extreme leftists 💔 it’s heartbreaking to watch .

[@gwenechotaylor96]

@@WallydarlingEDIT Agree 100%. We needed the gay community to help us stop the trans madness and they didn't and they still embrace the endless letters at the end of the LGB. So, no, I'm not on board anymore. Rainbow mafia and Trans taliban is how many people now see this. It will not end well. For anyone - and how many children's lives destroyed?

[@Official_RetroMania]

"Jokingly" but how the old saying goes: "There's a grain of truth in every joke".

[@GeradMunsch]

I'd say "transing the gay away" is on the same level as performing an exorcism to "pray the gay away"...

[@howtubeable]

Yes and no. Medical procedures against boys suspected of being gay is much worse than just praying.

[@ted1091]

Very well said "transing the Gay away."

[@Attmay]

@@GeradMunsch both should be criminalized for the same reasons.

[@aprilbennett4161]

​@@howtubeable Exorcism =/= praying. Exorcisms are dangerous and can be fatal. Salt poisoning, near-overdoses, drowning, and physical abuse are associated with exorcisms.

[@MrNotoriousROB]

Parts of Africa and the Middle East practice this; it is better to be Trans than Gay and they offer Gender Affirming Care.

[@littlebilly8747]

Gender Affirming Care should be focused on affirming your biological gender

[@JoshuaRed-v4f]

Biological gender is an oxymoron

[@RnD-u9n]

Biological sex.

[@DrCruel]

@@JoshuaRed-v4f Biological gender is a redundancy, albeit a necessary one today.

[@VestaseNewton]

How about no "Gender Affirming" type of care? Not that actual transexuals shouldn't get help, but more so this "affirmation" type of practice should be removed as it is important to actually question and be critical on this as it is important to mental/physical health. Not just press the person with affirmation after affirmation. Transexuals (primarily adults) have actually been receiving care for decades, look at Buck Angel. He's currently 62 and transitioned I believe around 30 years into his life, after being a classic masculine lesbian and nearly dying to (correct if wrong) alcoholism. Where once he transitioned he felt significantly better and happier. A clear example of gender dysphoria. Currently does videos here on youtube which I question may be shadow banned as he has good interviews with your average person....even if he doesn't agree with them, he treats them with respect and dignity. If the person isn't dealing with a severe gender dysphoric condition, why are they transitioning??? To detransition anywhere between months to several years later? This isn't a choice, you are either born that way and go through puberty so it goes away or it doesn't and you eventually figure it out OR NOT...sorry for the comparison, but just like gays and lesbians you either are born that way where the issue persists beyond puberty or you aren't and are an average straight person. Not using cis, it is unneeded terminology.

[@michelledavis2604]

Go back to achool

[@rogermoller7895]

I totally agree Pride does not Do anything Good för the LGB people

[@kirkmarusak7800]

Pride in accepting oneself after politicians and religious people ridicule LGBT people is better than hating oneself and feeling ashamed. One minister in Tennessee precided over the funerals of dozens of gay and lesbian teenagers in his church congregation as a result of his sermons condemning homosexuality. Is that the better alternative? Just ask the families of those deceased teenagers what they think.

[@jaymeswarde7151]

Oh it does but it's not good. It tells us we are wrong and should be straight. They wave the new flag and chant free Palestine. What happens to us in Palestine? That's what they do for us they have on us and expect us to be thankful

[@sparagmos4748]

​@@kirkmarusak7800 The comment is referring to Pride as a Parade and Spectacle. We can be comfortable being LGB without feeling shame or self hatred. Pride now is not doing anything to reduce homophobia, and sometimes is actually harming same sex attracted people who simply want equal rights.

[@Attmay]

Use of that acronym to force the T on LGB? Check. Using southern whites from the US as a representative example of the opposition? Check. Emotional manipulation weaponizing suicide? Check. We've got a groomer here folks!

[@kirkmarusak7800]

@sparagmos4748 I believe Pride parades have lost their original commitment to working towards a society that treats LGBT people as human being with equal rights. The parades have become too commercialized. But do not forget that the same people condemning homosexuality and trangender people want to deny them rights that they enjoy themselves. They do not care what happens to young people who identify as LGBT. These anti-LGBT people will never stop finding something about the LGBT community to condemn even if pride parades end. They are willing to ban all books about race and LGBT characters in books in public libraries. That does negatively impact the lives of LGBT teenagers. Look at the list of states like Texas that have banned hundreds of books because these anti-gay persons feel being gay or transgender is immoral and a threat to their view of how society should be. Teachers cannot turn a student to become gay or transgender through reading a book. But until recently, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis claimed teachers were sexualizing students. How ridiculous!

[@jadengrace_]

I think that lesbian trans women, rarely dating other trans women is telling that genital preference is only used against people who don’t want to date them. Because they understand what being a lesbian is when it comes to them wanting to be to date females, but not the other way around .

[@oliviamaynard9372]

98% of lesbian trans women date other trans women

[@Canthavemybones]

Thank you!!!! It’s crazy how that’s never truly called out.

[@wflyin8574]

They’re straight men. Don’t call them lesbians. That word is taken.

[@doe729]

Bingo

[@indianamarshal3457]

Exactly.....

[@nycrae]

It wasn't always like this. It has become an embarrassment and a slap in the face to all the folks that worked hard

[@oliviamaynard9372]

Sure bro

[@JoshuaRed-v4f]

@@nycrae snowflake energy

[@sparagmos4748]

The hard work has been torn down and the lunatics now run the asylum.😢

[@sparagmos4748]

​@@oliviamaynard9372You dispute this?

[@JoshuaRed-v4f]

@@sparagmos4748 Republicans aren't in office anymore. The nation is the most stable it's* been in years

[@mythril4]

I am a gay male, I've abandon the rainbow flag(s), there is nothing there that describes me. I have no problem with a male who wants to act feminine or a girl who wants to act masculine. The key word here is "act", not surgically modify and socially destruct. However, like my gay being, it is self canceling along with trans. The world does not continue with modification or same sex in the end.

[@OSMARI]

This was a really refreshing dialogue for I’m gay and from Afghanistan originally, and am currently going through a workplace discrimination lawsuit. Things are getting worse for gay people because the stereotypes are amplified enormously due to the extreme trans movement

[@penguinpewpew_]

Are you being discriminated against or are they saying you're discriminating?

[@OSMARI]

@@penguinpewpew_ actually my lawsuit is on our website AND has been made public. I was wrongfully terminated. Documenting everything including depositions for when we go to trial which will be scheduled soon. The verdict of the case will determine the results; however, I’ve had multiple attorneys review my case and have acquired representation.

[@visceratrocar]

Being trans isn't the same as being an extremist. Real trans people are a minority, but those that are don't choose to be trans.

[@liberoAquila]

I am gay, and by all means do not find straight sex icky. I think women can be very attractive I just don't particularly want to have sex or relationship with one.

[@DrCruel]

This has nothing to do with the issue, which is how to exploit sexual kink to sell socialism.

[@salvolondon]

Same here

[@Da90sbaby]

And I don't want to sleep with men, who asked 😂😂

[@passion_proh-jects]

Girl!

[@jonathanmercado8468]

Sounds like if a special one comes by you'll switch sides

[@MiraSmit]

Gender and sex should never have been seperate.

[@TheOmnitom]

They're not lmao it's a delusion

[@heykay5610]

Yeah, until about 2016 they meant the same thing, and it was just nicer and easier to say "gender" in conversation when you meant "sex". It's all a mess now.

[@TheOmnitom]

@@heykay5610 weak people took over an idiots got ahead binging welfare

[@noonesishome]

Thank feminism for separating sex and gender.

[@TheOmnitom]

@@noonesishome its why men don't historically listen to them lmao 😂😂😂

[@dragonborn0420]

The "TQIA2S+++" should just be removed from the original LGB.

[@TheAlphaLegionnaire]

We all discriminate. We choose the people we’re attracted to, and why shouldn’t we? Feelings? Do my feelings matter? Or just yours…

[@dtony1964]

I noticed that around the time that non-binary identification appeared (2017) the inability to call out crazy became a thing as well. Terms such as ableist started getting tossed around to anyone who didn't agree with nutty behavior.

[@bingo737]

As a gay person, I APPROVE THIS!

[@adynathaly3145]

Because u biased

[@leeh5307]

As a lesbian, married for 5 years, my wife and I do not associate with the trans movement. Before anyone screams 'hate' at me- i volunteer my time as a mentor with trans youth , autism and mentally unhealthy people, so i have a deep love for anyone who doesn't feel like they fit into mainstream society. But trans rights/ trans movement imo has nothing to do with homosexual rights. Thank you for this interview.

[@Baileybird001]

I feel like nowadays it’s also super misogynistic. You can’t be a masculine woman without being labeled as non-binary or gender fluid, or expected to have different pronouns. I also feel like 'feminine men' and even men who aren't particularly feminine are now transitioning to trans women without much effort and still calling themselves women.

[@WinstonSmithGPT]

@@Baileybird001 Tomboys are real!!! And great!

[@Marcusmarcb0tI]

I'm a transwoman, but all my trans friends acknowledge the existence of tomboys and femboys. Femboys don't have to be gay or gender fluid. They can be straight cis males who present very feminine. It's just a conspiracy theory to claim that everyone is trying to force them to be trans or non-binary categories. You're projecting what the conservative right is trying to do by literally trying to erase trans and other non cishet identities. Every single last queer person I have met simply let's people identify as that individual sees fit for themselves.

[@BoomBoomBoomUwU]

I hope on that case you mean too that if female get a transition and call herself a men is a misandry?

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

@@BoomBoomBoomUwUno, because women who “transition” tend to do so because of internalized misogyny, or external misogyny, sexism etc. They dont see themselves as particularly feminine, they don’t want to take part in what’s increasingly become a pornified version of femaleness as portrayed in the media, advertising, social media, the internet, X rated stuff, etc. It’s all about trying to escape womanhood, wherein womanhood is seen as this icky, lame, “weaker sex” thing. Of course, they can’t really escape it, though there are examples of some who “pass” well.

[@twiztedsynz]

Who says you can't be a masculine woman and just be that? Seriously, only the person themselves can dictate who they are and what pronouns to use. So if a masc woman says she's a woman and uses she/her pronouns, no one has the right to force her otherwise. You're using the same fear tactics heterosexuals use against trans people without realizing that the moment trans people are "exterminated", the rest of us are next.

[@wastelandlegocheem]

South park really hit the nail 10 years ago 💀

[@p.m.8666]

I am gay and tired of the alphabet soup and left woke ideology. Regards from Spain ❤

[@philipferguson8570]

Andrew Doyle is, as usual, pretty darn good.

[@sparagmos4748]

A compelling speaker who knows his stuff.

[@RonDoncombe]

as a straight guy how am i suppose to understand what a translesbian is i saw a girl cosplay as a succubus whos aromatic asexual like what how did we get here?

[@girlwriteswhat]

Tavistock took the same tack as Iran. A lot of people might not realize, but sex change surgeries are extremely common in Iran, and have been for some time. Homosexuality is not tolerated, but if one partner gets a sex change, the couple can get married.

[@fuzzykyrra]

As a gay man I have steered clear of Pride events as I am uncomfortable with the over-emphasis on sex, fetishism and nudity- and thus do not feel represented by the movement. This is not to say I feel people who support these events should not be allowed to do so- but I just feel somewhat irritated that me being the G in LGBTQIA+ means that in wider society I am automatically lumped in with the other letters who march in the parade in a G-string and dog collar for example.

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

I'm convinced it's run by political subversives who unironically follow cqt or whatever and other scumbags like opportunists

[@Bkn1BttmDo11a]

IM GAY AND VOTING FOR TRUMP 2024 🏳️‍🌈🇺🇸🫶💕✌️🇺🇸🩵 HE WILL PROTECT CHILDREN IN PRIDE PARADES AND BAN HORMONE BLOCKERS FOR MINORS, IF YOU SUPPORT THIS VOTE HIM! HE LOVES GAY PEOPLE WE NEED TO SPREAD THE TRUTH🇺🇸🏳️‍🌈🫶🩷TRUMP 2024! 🇺🇸🫶

[@adynathaly3145]

Good stay away trans are also voting for trump

[@rwild9356]

You getting lumped in together with the hypersexual side of the community is not the fault of the LGBTQ+ community, it's the fault of conservatives who try to paint all LGBTQ+ people with the same brush, and who try to make LGBTQ+ people seem as strange and un-Christian as possible. There's way more hyper-sexualized straight, non-trans people out there- you can't watch a bloody television show nowadays without a straight sex or *rape* scene in it! But they still have the gall to call LGBTQ+ people overly sexual.

[@rwild9356]

@@Bkn1BttmDo11a He said he was going to consider removing gay marriage, and his project 2025 includes removing it. Anyone who legitimately thinks he's a friend of LGBTQ+ people is either being lied to, or a bot.

[@Eragarev]

If you're not allowed to openly reject someone on the basis of their true sexual dimorphism, you do not have rights. The notion that we must all live our lives around some person, or group of people's, fragile gendered egos and ignore their bodies at the expense of our own sexual boundaries is not equality.

[@rwild9356]

No one truly believes anyone should be forced to have sex with someone for ANY reason. That would be sexual coercion. Adult trans people recognize this. It's not an excuse to discriminate against trans people.

[@sparkreno19]

OK, but it’s extremely naïve to suggest that a trans woman tell a lesbian that because she’s a “woman” , the lesbian should consider “her” an option. But if the lesbian goes “no, you’re not a woman” (basically saying you don’t have the parts i like), the lesbian is now a terf transphobe

[@JohnDoe-og2bt]

​@@rwild9356How do you define someone not sleeping with a trans because they dont agree with how they identify?

[@HerWanderlust]

No one is discriminating against them, we are simply refusing to participate in their delusions, and refuse to give up our women’s spaces to men. It’s really that simple.

[@JohnDoe-og2bt]

@@rwild9356 No anwer? Hmm more gaslighting from them/their supporters I see.

[@ehdrootofbeard4411]

I'll give the Asexuals props where due though... Not wanting sex is a BRILLIANT way to avoid drama 🤣👀

[@BenStowell]

Haha! I wish! But then you deal with the drama of people thinking there's something wrong with you! 😂😭

[@Capt-Intrepid]

Trans and Gender have NOTHING to do with Sexual Orientation.

[@makaAlbaan]

Thanks. This talk is delusional framing trans people as gay people which are forced to become the opposite sex. There are trans people attracted to either or neither gender. Only because you want to be the opposite sex doesn't mean you are gay

[@negativeanthony]

12:10 I'm glad Andrew identified Grindr as a hookup app because that's what it is. It isn't a dating app as identified by app stores. Then again, if the stores were to consider Grindr a hookup app, they'd probably ban it.

[@kimberlyf4888]

I heard a theory recently that since the gay rights movement had largely succeeded, there was less money to be made by those working to support those rights - hence the move to trans rights by activist groups. Plus, there's more money to be made on the medical side with trans rights - providers get life long patients of drugs and surgeries.

[@breezyveezy1]

This is absolutely right. There’s a bureaucracy to support so they had to move on to this extreme. Basically grifting.

[@nadiraslam5982]

This is actually what it comes down to.

[@BoomBoomBoomUwU]

I agree as gay man. It's really annyoing to see female body parts on dating sides intended to gay men.

[@rwild9356]

Suit yourself, some gay men are okay with or even like them. Some gay men aren't interested in your body either, but you should still be able to use the app.

[@cdiz765]

i block them all

[@netjernefer3160]

@@rwild9356 If a "gay" man likes female body parts, he's not gay, boo.

[@am143-g1m]

@@rwild9356 a gay man attracted to a trans woman body is not a gay man sorry!

[@Scar-jg4bn]

​@@rwild9356 gay men do not want women's body parts at all.

[@berrycarbs]

Being a Catholic gay man myself (and celibate as required to be in a state of grace) this video was a nice watch… Finally someone is showing the insanity in a very sober and truthful manner. Bless you for that!

[@jg3000]

You should think of becoming a pagan.

[@penguinpewpew_]

I have a question, you're celibate about sex or about relationships as well?

[@doe729]

I respect that.

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

Oh my. Cast off the shackles, man, and get out there and f*ck!

[@YourLocalDudude]

I’m a bi man and libertarian, but I’m not really into the alphabet mafia. I just want to live freely without pushing anything towards anyone while I expect everyone else to not push crap onto me. Of course, if someone identifies as trans, I’ll respect them and not push my beliefs on them, but they should return that respect to me as well. Children also shouldn’t be subjected to medical transitions, because that’s just another form of homophobia, is that if a child feels like that they are gender nonconforming, they shouldn’t be pressured to transition. Once they are an adult, they have the right to medically transition. I have the same beliefs about religion, is that religion shouldn’t be forced on people, especially other people’s children.

[@k.h.walker2378]

It's called transing away the gay.

[@twiztedsynz]

There's no such thing as "Transing". That's a word made up by homophobic and transphobic people to signal how much they don't know about trans people.

[@FirstLast-ii5cp]

What does that even mean?

[@Scar-jg4bn]

​@@FirstLast-ii5cp Internalized homophobia and heteronormative society pressuring homosexuals to "transition" in order to fit into the mold of heterosexual society.

[@DiscoMatty79]

​@FirstLast-ii5cp it's gay conversion therapy 2.0

[@michaeljohndennis2231]

Actually, as an older gay man myself, I actually agree with this from the time I was a teenager in the 1980’s where I’d met a lot of older gay men of my grandparents generation at that time and they were saying much the same things - they were totally against “free and open” gay venues that did not have secret knocks and secret passwords on doors, in nondescript areas, they were totally opposed to the concept of gay pride, everyone being fully out and open about being gay, they were also totally opposed to the decriminalisation of homosexuality - they believed at the time that the gay community was being infiltrated and compromised, hijacked and corrupted from within, done to push certain agendas, including leftism and communism

[@patriciarocco2610]

Interesting.

[@sparagmos4748]

I heard that they were opposed to legalisation because they liked the secrecy and risk taking. It was part of the fun😮😅 Source: 60 yo gay man 40 years ago.

[@fettbub92]

​@@sparagmos4748people felt that way about marijuana being legalized too.

[@sparagmos4748]

@@fettbub92 I can totally understand that!😆

[@petera618]

As an older gay man, I can understand their view points. We were actually doing much better in the 90s and as LGB. Things were going in the right direction and there was much more acceptance until this current alphabet mafia highjacked it all with all their lunacy. "Pride" has become a joke, pure raunch in public.They insist you support everything they support or you will be chastised. When I now see a rainbow flag I now cringe because of all the hidden agendas that are now behind it. I will not support Communism, I will not support men pretending to be women taking away biological women's spaces away from them, I will not support the corruption and brain washing of young children and I don't support BLM which is nothing but a corrupt Marxist organization that squanders people's donation money for ther own benefit, riots and burns down innocent people's properties in the name of "justice" and does nothing to really helping the Black community in need. This current "community" have drifted down the wrong path and are now a group of privileged narcissists who are an insult to the true pioneers from the past that really fought for equal rights and acceptance. I'm happy to have no part of them.

[@CensorshipVictim]

My cousin is a lesbian who runs a support group for lesbian SA survivors. She originally hosted it at a community center, but had to stop because these men showed up (who claimed to identify as women), they never participated but wanted to listen the woman talk about their SA. One guy, my cousin kicked out because he got upset because one woman wouldn't go into enough details about her SA, and he kept pressing for very intimate details of her SA. My cousin got so many complaints from the women that she moved the group to her house, because the community center refused to keep these guys out, claiming that as a long as they identified as women they were allowed to attend.

[@jennmcdavitt3782]

Look up transhumanism and Charles schwab. You will understand it all.

[@JoshuaRed-v4f]

Great conspiracy brain logic. Transhumaism existed therefore evil trans conspiracy

[@MultiLlewis]

& Martine Rothblatt

[@TheOmnitom]

World economic forum and klauss schwabbs normalised this lmao

[@JoshuaRed-v4f]

@@TheOmnitom Quit using normalized like you know what the word means

[@TheOmnitom]

@@JoshuaRed-v4f glabal elite collective deeck'ed

[@WinstonSmithGPT]

“You’re a heterodox voice,” i.e. straight people like me have chosen different spokespeople for your movement and you’re accountable for what they say.

[@haydenwalton2766]

yep, it's all getting pretty fucked up. the double, double negatives I have to sort out in my mind, just the argue with these lunatics, is tiring

[@erinaltstadt4234]

Exactly.

[@LightningStrikes2345]

i cannot even express how much the trans thing has not only hindered but imploded the entire acceptance of being gay.

[@twiztedsynz]

Except, it hasn't.

[@DonMecherJr]

​@@twiztedsynzit has for me. And most people I know

[@Ann-qe6py]

Agree. The trans movement has ruined the reputation of the Gay and Lesbian movement. And stop with the absurd pronoun police. If you dare to disagree with them then they become vindictive. I hope that everyone who regrets their surgery will sue their grifter doctors. And especially these young people that have been hurt.

[@twiztedsynz]

@@Ann-qe6py So... show us more how your ignorance rules your thought process. If anyone "ruined" the reputation of gays and lesbians, it's gays and lesbians themselves. Have you ever met a vindictive gay or lesbian when someone used to backtalk and legitimize them? They were the first to "throw hands", my dude. Seriously. Out of the low, low percentage of people who are trans, only less than 1% do. So out of 100 people who may be trans, only half of one person regrets it. And you DO know patients have to agree to their surgeries, right? Doctors can't just go in and do whatever to a patient without their permission. So no, while they could attempt to be sued, it won't be successful. Funny though you mention young people being hurt; yeah, they are, by bigots in not only the non-trans community, but the LG community too, because you know, how dare they exist.

[@rwild9356]

If someone wasn't going to accept homosexuality because of the existence of trans people, they were never really going to accept gay people, it's just an excuse

[@mountwalker2785]

Thanks, both of you for talking about this issue. I wish as many people as possible to see this so we can get over this miscondeption that being gay automatically means being "queer" or LGBTQIA+.

[@karigirl3569]

It’s never been the gay neighbor that we need to worry about as far as our children. It’s the new class of neighbor looking to pull in and consume our children and their future health and wellbeing that we need to be gravely concerned about. Find a way to get your children out of the public school system before it’s too late!

[@HerWanderlust]

Yes! There’s a new podcast episode out about the indoctrination of children- it’s on the You must be Some kind of therapist podcast

[@pettykittyfam]

Dude This was wonderful 👏 As a woman who is struggling with feeling safe in public spaces THANK YOU! You're standing up for all of us! ❤❤❤

[@joshuatheargonaut4412]

I have two brothers and an aunt that are gay and I can tell you they loathe the trans movement. What this gentleman is saying is so accurate. The whole trans lgbtqia+ movement now is akin to another movement that had armbands and a fixation on blonde hair blue eye German boys. Know what I mean? They are our Orwellian nightmare.

[@twiztedsynz]

So... you, your brothers and aunt have no clue what happened in the 30's Germany nor what the GLBTQIA+ "movement" is. Maybe get some education, yeah?

[@joshuatheargonaut4412]

@@twiztedsynz lol, people like you do exist! I thought you were just made up shorts from libs of tic croc. You and people like you are why god does not talk to us anymore.

[@rwild9356]

I've yet to see any arm bands, and the gay blokes I know are fine with trans people. Not everyone is sexually interested in them but you don't need to want to bang someone to accept them as a person. Also pretty confusing that in one sentence you're like "my gay relatives" and then in the next you're accusing all LGBTQ+ people of being nazis because people find blonde people attractive.

[@DarthDickhed]

@@twiztedsynz You are actually the one that just doesn't get it or haven't looked into the subject enough if you can't make the connection.

[@BacklumChaam]

The acting like a dog isn’t exclusively a gay thing. Just as many straight guys that act that way-just with a woman holding the leash instead. I just don’t understand why it’s at Pride??

[@erinaltstadt4234]

Neither do we.

[@LudiusQuassas]

Because of the umbrella term "queer". Queer just means weird in a revolutionary manner. So if you feel like you're weird and have commie leanings, you're officially queer and can attend Pride.

[@zalybrainlessgenius503]

Because straight people don't publically parade in dog collars

[@paulschumacher4308]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw this happening

[@HerWanderlust]

Had several comments removed because of “hate speech” of calling men who demand access to women’s spaces mentally ill.

[@kristinepauwels4086]

I agree 100 %. Marriage on itself is nothing but an agreement between two people and a statement. Nothing more, nothing less. Of course also for legal reasons. Gender dysphoria is real but rare. Being gay means you are attracted to people of the same sex but it's about love and loving another human being. For many so called transgender people it is not about loving another human and spending their lives with. It's narcissistic. Some youngsters are being indoctrinated into believing that they are in the wrong body. Although dysphoria is real but very rare, it's a neurological disorder. And it all comes down to trying to be attractive to people of the same sex, without realising that they can be without drastically altering their bodies. It is ok to be gay. It's not ok to experiment on young people, mutulating their bodies and condemn them to a life of pain, medical issues and lifelong misery. Leave our kids alone.

[@agentcazu]

As a tomboy girl, I'm of the 9 out of 10 to turn out to be a lesbian. I'm an early 90's kid and I grew up in an area accepting of LGBP didn't mind T even though it wasn't as well known when I was growing up. I got teased by other kids for saying I wanted to be a boy (in absolutely no reference to T since we didn't know about it), just typical kids being jerks all bscause I was non-gender conforming girl liking a lot of the "boys stuff". I was just a tomboy and later butch. I worked through figuring myself out all through childhood until college where I could accept and understand myself. Nowadays I would absolutely be pushed to transition even though I have no desire to be male. I'm just a lesbian and it's so disheartening seeing lesbians and bi women being erased because of the fake T's. The true trans women respect us biological women no men pretending to be women and disrespectful towards us. But I'm the homophobe while being homosexual apparently.

[@Malignus68]

People who want to be treated the same as everyone else don't need their own flag, or their own parade, or their own month.

[@joshspeed7794]

@@Malignus68 you mean like the Irish parade, Cinco De Mayo, Native American festivals, German fest, flags of every nation flying over many households, Chinese New Year festival and parade, the list is literally endless. I guess you want to live in a very gray world. Says a lot.

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

@@joshspeed7794of that list, only the German fest sounds appealing. 😂

[@ninatouchdown2500]

I have one and one flag only: Dannebrog, my national flag 🇩🇰

[@risinggael1685]

​@@joshspeed7794 all your examples are cultures...homosexualty is a sexuallity not a culture... Homosexuals don't need a flag, parade and certainly not a month....its ridiculous....the fights over homosexuals won their rights we don't need to see your sexuallity like you don't want to see ours...

[@matthewrobinson3048]

​@@joshspeed7794 Those are celebrating culture. Not degeneracy. Don't compare time honored and fondly held tradition to pride. They don't mean the same thing at all. Pride separates and divides. Cultural celebrations offer unity within a community. Intellectual dishonesty won't aid you here flame of pride!

[@gmf5270]

I came out and came of age through the 2000s. Loud and proud doesn't mean screaming like an animal or being superior than everyone else. It mean not remaining silent and not feeling ashamed for what we are. I wanted marriage rights and adoptive rights, just like everyone else. I didn't want to force people to accept me, just to know im a person like them. The crazies of the community don't want equality. They want special privileges. I abandoned the community when they wanted to include the minor attraction flag on my beloved rainbow.

[@serafine666]

The reason those who supported "gay rights" and gay marriage do not want to admit that the critics who alleged a slippery slope were correct was that the activists of the time swore to the bottom of their souls that if society gave them this one favor, suspended our collective common sense just this once, ignored the force of tradition and ancestral wisdom for just a moment, nothing more would be asked. It was a one-time thing. So if they admit now that their cajoling was deceptive and their big ask had poison in the details, they know they will never be heeded again and maybe even lose what they got by snake oil salesmanship. This can never be allowed.

[@jezblades9913]

The reason gay marriage was important in this was that various previously gay supporting "charities" realized that they had reached their commercial endgame and had to find some other way of making money and keeping their jobs. Hence, the push for the alphabet people. So cynical.

[@ThaMassDebater]

Pride comes before the fall....

[@JoshuaRed-v4f]

You're listening to a whitenationalist talk BTW. Ironic

[@richiep3520]

Copy and paste.

[@lukeproctor69]

Trans activism has nothing to do with LGB. I loathe trans activism. Most gay people want nothing to do with what's currently being foisted upon society.

[@noonesishome]

100%.

[@adamgoodword7888]

yep, Pride comes in the summer, which is before the fall. Haaa!

[@suzannewood8962]

Well done to both for not shrinking from a frank and uncomfortable conversation. This discussion perfectly proves Andrew's assertions that what could be viewed as offensive speech to some, is best discussed openly in the pursuit of educating and changing minds.

[@Dancestar1981]

It’s anti women

[@Bkn1BttmDo11a]

It’s pro women actually, how dare you!

[@jada39748]

Exactly why I stand with the LGB Alliance.

[@bretts8070]

For the first time, YT opened a link to another website upon clicking on a video, to the effing Trevor Project page. Toxic tech companies make me sick.

[@morganspector5161]

I recently had to get hearing aids, and ended up in a clinic where doctors, PAs and staff were all women. Didn't bother me; I enjoy the company of women. At my third visit I asked the doctor if I was missing something, that it seemed all employees were women. She agreed; I asked if this was policy, and she said no but it is our preference. We are much more comfortable that way. I said "hey, works for me. Women and men alike should be free to establish their own comfort zones (I actually meant it). No branch of government, judicial or legislative, should have the power to tell people of either gender that they cannot enjoy their own "safe spaces." Let us all just live our lives.

[@noonesishome]

"transwomen" are destroying female only spaces. Our spaces only exists to "affirm their gender" aka be non consenting participants in their autogynophilia

[@Muonium1]

And let's see then what would happen to such an establishment if it only wanted to hire men. We don't have to wonder. Everyone knows exactly what would happen the instant such a thing were ever to become public knowledge, but the reverse, a clinic that overtly discriminates against men, is so empowered by the gynocentric society that we in the West now all live in, that they can freely enact their misandric bigotry in the office and they don't even fear openly telling one of their own patients exactly what kind of sexist discrimination they're proudly engaging in.

[@bearilliantbear1769]

Be a femboy. Be a tomboy. If its more about the looks than it is about the feeling on the inside, you might just maybe not be trans. Thats okay. Think about why and where all this is coming from. Give it a few years. Maybe its not a phase, but it could be a misinterpretation of what's truly going on and thats worth caution.

[@Bkn1BttmDo11a]

IM GAY AND VOTING FOR TRUMP 2024 🏳️‍🌈🇺🇸🫶💕✌️🇺🇸🩵 HE WILL PROTECT CHILDREN IN PRIDE PARADES AND BAN HORMONE BLOCKERS FOR MINORS, IF YOU SUPPORT THIS VOTE HIM! HE LOVES GAY PEOPLE WE NEED TO SPREAD THE TRUTH🇺🇸🏳️‍🌈🫶🩷TRUMP 2024! 🇺🇸🫶

[@rwild9356]

Most trans people have to wait years before transitioning, and most hesitate for years even before that because they want to be sure. And that is how it should be. But if someone does the waiting and thinking and comes to the conclusion that that's what they need to do to live a fulfilling life, then they should have the opportunity to do so. It's their life, their body, their decision.

[@FrankLoRusso-w2r]

This was a great conversation. Gay man here with a partner for over 40 years. We got “married” but never considered it to be “a marriage” That’s something exclusively for heterosexual couples. Marriage is for procreation. Yes i want the same protections, but it a contract between 2 people. I love how you state that the alphabet community has become the anti gay community…. 100%

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

I argue they're anti lgb and t. They don't want to show them in a positive light, in an appealing form. They want to be disruptive and subversive for whatever nonsense agenda. Any who are against them even if they fit the letters get treated no better if not worse than normal people. Knowing they'd do what they claim those they deem right wing would do cuz it's their side, disgusts me and convinced me they're not at all a community for you or others. They're everything they project us.

[@Attmay]

@@FrankLoRusso-w2r plenty of married h3t couples never procreate.

[@netjernefer3160]

Lot of straight folks married but don't want children. So, according you, it's not a marriage ? 🤔

[@balalaika852]

Who says marriage is for procreation? I know plenty of straight married people who either actively don't want children, or can't have children. Should they lose all the privileges and benefits of marriage? Should their marriages licenses be annuled? Marriage is about assets. It's about property. It's about being legally responsible for the care of another person as a replacement for social policy. And it enforces a form of public morality. Since it deems only the romantic ans sexual relationships where people share finances as worthy of that level of privilege. That's it.

[@Robert-tk8yb]

Darn this is a breath of fresh air. Thanks for the sanity. I feel better strangely enough ❤

[@docdynamix]

Andrew your are a hero for LGB. THANK YOU

[@dangremaus1164]

Omg! I’ve been complaining about this for a few years now! I go onto Grindr as a gay male looking for other gay males, and all I see anymore is trans people. It’s so frustrating!

[@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals]

Call it marriage, call it civil union, call it "partners in life." Just don't tell a trans widow, a woman who divorced a suddenly demanding, crossdressing man after the discovery/revelation, that she's "a lesbian now" and just didn't realize she married her husband because of her "attraction to women."

[@noonesishome]

Trans widows stories broke me. I can't even imagine seeing your partner turn into a autogynophilic monster in a dress and your community shames you to continue to participate and support their husband's fetishistic delusion LARP of womanhood. Horrible.

[@vitis6252]

T is for Trojan horse

[@Canthavemybones]

That’s perfect

[@PleaseNThankYou]

Without even watching this video...I have not yet watched it...I will say that I've felt this to be anti-gay as it, first, makes a caricature of the gay, but specifically those who don't want to be thought of as a man desiring another man, but to normalize THEIR desire but saying they are actually a woman. It removes the stigma and the knowledge of immorality. Then there are those who so for completely self serving, but not sexual purposes...to avoid something unpleasant, or gain access to something otherwise forbidden.

[@Bkn1BttmDo11a]

IM GAY AND VOTING FOR TRUMP 2024 🏳️‍🌈🇺🇸🫶💕✌️🇺🇸🩵 HE WILL PROTECT CHILDREN IN PRIDE PARADES AND BAN HORMONE BLOCKERS FOR MINORS, IF YOU SUPPORT THIS VOTE HIM! HE LOVES GAY PEOPLE WE NEED TO SPREAD THE TRUTH🇺🇸🏳️‍🌈🫶🩷TRUMP 2024! 🇺🇸🫶

[@PleaseNThankYou]

@Bkn1BttmDo11a look dude. No one loves gay people simply because they are gay. You are supposed to love the person as a creation of God. To say that you love gay people is equivalent to saying you love heterosexual people, and that just sounds stupid. But voting for a party (democrat) whose membership sides with Hamas, a sharia Muslim government, is equivalent to cutting off your own head before you throw yourself from a rooftop. Welcome to MAGA, where we love people, not sexual preferences.

[@juliangodsend9418]

DEPRAVITY HAS NO BOTTOM

[@joshspeed7794]

@@juliangodsend9418 you ARE the bottom girl.

[@erinaltstadt4234]

Every one has a bottom. If you don’t, you should contact a medical professional.

[@Krasser_Crusader]

@@erinaltstadt4234Two things are infinite…

[@thegreatgambeeno]

DEPRAVITY IS A TOP

[@juliangodsend9418]

@@thegreatgambeeno TOP PRIORITY FOR THE DEPRAVED

[@jamessanders145]

The saddest thing is that this "trans" rights push of insanity actually does an insane amount of damage to the small but very real amount of people who have genuine gender dysphoria and have had it since they were toddlers. It has nothing to do with how much you conform to gender stereotypes. Those people who genuinely have felt they were born into the wrong body and could use respect and treatment are now getting lost in the chaos and grouped into this other insanity wave. Most genuinely trans people despise what's happening.

[@booradley8970]

I suspect it's a congenital neurological condition caused when a certain part of the brain is formed like what it is in the opposite sex. There is research on this. I feel bad for the real transsexuals.

[@Attmay]

@@jamessanders145 a groomer slur cannot be dysphoric

[@jamessanders145]

@@Attmay what?

[@twiztedsynz]

Are you insinuating that there are people out there who are faking gender dysphoria and the fact they're trans? And you think this, why?

[@jamessanders145]

@twiztedsynz I'm not insinuating anything. Look it up. The mainstream thing is now to say dysphoria isn't even necessary for someone to want a different gender or pronouns, in fact many go as far as saying it's transphobic to say dysphoria is even a thing.

[@SkrillDisc]

Meanwhile EVERYONE is trying to erase bisexuality.

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

Many bisexuals want to erase themselves and never come out.

[@twiztedsynz]

Well not everyone, just "the gays" from what I've heard.

[@breezyveezy1]

Let’s get real, bisexuality is just being slutty. It doesn’t make you oppressed😂

[@strictlyaesthetic9202]

Thank You .. HOWEVER ... Gay marriage is important from a Legal point rather than a sexual aspect... In my years, same has witnessed several committed GAY couples not granted visitation when one was sick or infirmed along with losing all personal possessions in the event of one dying. These situations are rectified due to the laws associated with MARRIAGE. .... CASE CLOSED

[@JoshuaRed-v4f]

They don't care, they'll out you in same camps with the trans people.

[@rumorcontrol7873]

Allowing for gay marriage opened the door to untold numbers of homosexual government workers now being allowed to get married and NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE CALLED TO TESTIFY AGAINST THEIR SPOUSES IN COURT thus creating a situation of unprecedented government corruption. Case. Re-Opened.

[@andrewfoster4359]

I agree/disagree. Very important for us to have rights as partners. But it does not need to be called "marriage" a legal civil union is fine in my opinion😊

[@strictlyaesthetic9202]

@@andrewfoster4359 Feel free to be regarded as SECOND class given the status as Civil Union.... The term marriage come with All LEGAL RIGHTS .... Only the narrowed minded Religious individuals have an issue with the terminology of Marriage for Gay individuals........ REMEMBER @ 50 years ago it was illegal for individuals of certain Races to marry one another. My advice for you brother Andrew. CAREFUL

[@andrewfoster4359]

@@strictlyaesthetic9202 well in uk gives equal rights

[@kostadimas]

The LGB should be their own group and all the other letters/numbers/symbols should be their own group. These are two different communities

[@twiztedsynz]

And if a TQIA+ is also LGB?

[@kostadimas]

@@twiztedsynz then they can be part of both communities. LGB is simply people attracted to their own sex. All the other letters are very fluid, always changing and are related to identity. There's hundreds of genders by now and always more added. Nothing to do with LGB. I support both groups but they are not the same

[@twiztedsynz]

@@kostadimas ... If Trans people - as you say (and I absolutely agree) - can be part of the LGB, then yes, they are also "the same". As in you have a person who is same sex attracted to another person. Yes, beyond the LGB you might have people related to gender identity but no one is claiming they are the "Same" in the way you seem to think. The groups are "the same" because they are extreme minorities of the human populations. They are "the same" because they are not the "normal", aka heterosexual and present as the gender they were assigned at birth. They are "the same" because, being part of that 'not normal' both communities of sexual and gender presentations were ostracized by those of a certain religious type, demonized and down right executed just for being who they are and going with what they were 'made to be'. Unless a trans person is also LGB, no one is saying they are "the same" as one group is - yes - based on sexuality and attraction and one is based on gender and presentation. But it was better to group up and increase their numbers to fight back from the same position in society, than try to fight a losing battle on their own. What is being done to the trans side of the LGBTQIA+ community is no different than what the LG are doing to the B, and have been for decades.

[@Meryawey]

​@@twiztedsynzThe LG are doing to the B? Excuse me? I'm bisexual, and the T should be included there, the T were quite worse to us than what the LG were, I remind you how the T started to accuse us of being transphobic when we were trying to reject them romantically or sexually 15 years ago, the LG never understood us so they just agreed with what it seemed the political correction of the moment and saying things like "yeah you like both why you don't like them, it must be transphobia like they say", "I'm lesbian, I just like women, but you don't have an excuse". They got it when the T started to say the same thing to the lesbians not that long ago 😂 and the nonsense of "sexual preferences are transphobic" appeared. This is just to mention one example. Some people LG can deny the existence of the B and say that it's a temporal thing that they're gay or straight, yeah, and a lot of people don't like that attitude, but the T directly tries to eliminate us all and that's politically correct, and they define what it is being B (And L and G) and if we don't agree then we are bigots, intolerant, transphobic, terfs, etc. I remember the time nobody could say they were B, and everybody started to say you had to be pansexual, because bisexuality was transphobic, literally. All those things don't happened because of the LG, the definitions of their sexual orientations have also suffered modifications by people who are not even LGB. You maybe don't like it, but the T has being a cancer for the LGB these last decades, working little by little to create the problems we have today, and becoming more anti gay and mysoginistic each day. I definetely prefer the LG next to me, I have absolutely nothing to do with the TQ+. LGB must be separated and it doesn't matter what the rest say, I think a great part of the LGB have already chosen to not identify themselves with a LGBTQ+ but just with the LGB.

[@temmieAckkerman]

​@@twiztedsynzeverything after the Lgb & actual Trans ppl is nonsense

[@vertigo-gc1bu]

I've been gay ever since I've felt attraction. I've been forced into trans ideologies and even forced to think I'm trans myself over toxic manipulation. I reject any modern lgbtq+ movements now and support the lgb separation. I'm only 21

[@FirstLast-ii5cp]

“Forced” by whom into what “trans ideaologies” ?

[@fettbub92]

Im pretty tired of conflating sexual attraction with sex dysphoria. Someone can be homosexual, and support trans rights; without being grouped together, categorically. This has created such confusion in the general discussion, and really made things harder for everyone involved.

[@Attmay]

I cannot in good conscience support oppressor class right under any circumstances. It is repressive tolerance.

[@ted1091]

Exactly. To his point that Trans women (and sometimes men) are all over Grindr. I routinely remind them that it's men for men. Then they get their panties in a bunch.

[@twiztedsynz]

The reason we're all "lumped together" is basically safety in numbers. And that there are trans, non-binary, gender fluid and others beyond the GLB that fall under the GLB banner too.

[@rwild9356]

I don't think it's made anything harder, "let people live their lives so long as they're not hurting people" and "don't make political policy based off of religion" is not very hard at all. Conservatives and religious folk target gay people and trans people for the same reasons; perceived sexual deviance. The reason why conservatives want to pit gay people against trans people is because gay people are more accepted and trans people are their new punching bag now that they've lost the fight to bully gay people, and they're afraid they're going to lose traction on the trans issue too. In reality, many republicans have floated the idea of repealing gay marriage the same as they did abortion in the supreme court this election cycle. Minorities are stronger together, that's why conservatives are trying to create division. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy; if you discriminate against minorities you're not a part of, your own group will be next.

[@ted1091]

@@rwild9356 I think you miss the point, because Gay people support the rights of Trans people. We just don't want Trans grouped together with Gay. Trans erases Gay. If you're Trans, you're unwilling to live as gender nonconforming or as homosexual. You'd rather change your gender and then you don't have to experience antigay oppression. So when you change gender, you become hetero and you erase Gay. Also, why would I want to be in a movement which encourages gender extremes ( big boobs, lipstick, heels, eyelashes and nails 💅)? That's heteronormativity. I still support Trans rights, I just don't want it in the Gay movement.

[@jsun7972]

Assuming a gay person is coming on to you just by saying that they are gay was always weird to me. They just want you to know so you stop assuming they are just like you and talking to them as if they have the same likes as you.

[@juliangodsend9418]

WOE UNTO THEM THAT CALL EVIL GOOD AND GOOD EVIL,WHO CALL DARKNESS LIGHT AND LIGHT DARKNESS,WHO SUBSTITUTE BITTER FOR SWEET AND SWEET FOR BITTER,WOE UNTO THEM THAT ARE WISE IN THEIR OWN EYES AND PRUDENT IN THEIR OWN SIGHT!

[@FullMoonHowl]

Thank you for both being so refreshingly calm and respectful and reasoned with each other and with your distinct points of view. I personally think that the way the trans in question accuse of bigotry and hate speech ultimately comes down to control. Whoever cries victim the loudest and screams, "I'm triggered, so I'm right!" the longest is the one in control. NOT so coincidentally, control (especially coupled with a lack of empathy and refusal to be accountable for their words and actions) is also the endgame of someone with narcissistic personality disorder. 🤔

[@justicehonorie]

I replied to an anti-trans post once and I was banned from the page because I said there is no such thing as a loony bin you can dump people into.

[@DNYLNY]

Trans ppl now get the credit for the gay rights movement. There are pictures from stonewall. It was vastly gay white men that were there that day and gay men fought for decades after, but the statues for gay rights go to black trans women

[@cubeincubes]

how is conversion therapy different from transitioning?

[@kat8753]

It's not. A boy shows interest in a girl's doll, and immediately, people want to put him on puberty blockers.

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

You’re correct. A same sex-attracted person who “transitions” and now considers him- or herself “straight” is no different from one of those “ex-gay” people who claim that intense praying, etc. has allowed them to “become” heterosexual. The only difference is one is celebrated by progressives and “good” people, and the other is looked down upon with skepticism and perhaps derision. But only one creates a whole mess of problems for society. It’s funny how wrongheaded the “good” people are when it comes to this stuff.

[@twiztedsynz]

@@kat8753 Well that's not at all true. If a boy shows interest in a girls doll, what's really happening is parents are freaking out thinking their kid is anything but heterosexual and traumatizing that poor kid regardless of their gender status.

[@DonMecherJr]

​@@twiztedsynzwell. There gender status would be, and always would be boy. There's no changing that

[@rwild9356]

The definition of conversion therapy: "the practice of attempting to cause a non-heterosexual person to become heterosexual by using psychoanalysis, behavior modification, spiritual counseling, etc." The definition of transitioning: "[to] adopt permanently the outward or physical characteristics that match one's gender identity, as opposed to those associated with the sex registered at birth." Conversion therapy is an attempt to make an LGBTQ+ person not LGBTQ+ anymore. Transition is a set of changes a person makes to better reflect their own identity. Hope this helps.

[@jennityrell3304]

Love gay marriage but I hate these crazies making us gays look so bad. Why does everyone have to be a victim these days?? Being a victim isn’t good!

[@Bkn1BttmDo11a]

IM GAY AND VOTING FOR TRUMP 2024 🏳️‍🌈🇺🇸🫶💕✌️🇺🇸🩵

[@hecwill1]

Thank You! As a gay man I approve of this message

[@wkrapek]

About a decade ago, someone I know had decided her son was trans. A real mannish thing with a househusband and a male best friend that we are to call “she.” What a coincidence! How wonderful for her! It was made perfectly clear to me that I was not to say a damn thing. Now, after all these years on hormones? He’s trying to kill himself. And once again, it’s been made perfectly clear to me that I’m not to say a damn thing. She had rage quit Texas and moved up to Canada. And it turns out that she joined (what I consider) a cult where everybody’s kid was a trans. They even live in their own community. EDIT: I’m a gay.

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

Hard to tell what sex the players in this story are, but I got the gist of it, roughly 😂

[@twiztedsynz]

Yeah... no. Something like this "cult" would have made news up here in Canada, and no such thing has. Good one though.

[@Bkn1BttmDo11a]

IM GAY AND VOTING FOR TRUMP 2024 🏳️‍🌈🇺🇸🫶💕✌️🇺🇸🩵 HE WILL PROTECT CHILDREN IN PRIDE PARADES AND BAN HORMONE BLOCKERS FOR MINORS, IF YOU SUPPORT THIS VOTE HIM! HE LOVES GAY PEOPLE WE NEED TO SPREAD THE TRUTH🇺🇸🏳️‍🌈🫶🩷TRUMP 2024! 🇺🇸🫶

[@rwild9356]

Deciding someone else is trans is never okay, and kids cannot be put on hormones without their own consent. Her kid is probably trying to kill themself because Texas is a really tough environment to survive in when you are trans, and the government there is putting all kinds of restrictions that make surviving there harder. I've never heard of any trans or gay specific communities in Canada or elsewhere. I know there's one part of Australia with a large LGBTQ+ presence but that's it.

[@FirstLast-ii5cp]

@@Bkn1BttmDo11a no way, no how….are you fucking insane?

[@SimbaOS]

Regarding marriage... we should first understand what marriage is, why it exists and why the society came up with it in the first place. Marriage undoubtedly provides the best conditions for raising children. Marriage is a kind of contract between society and citizens, where the society says: "here is your marriage, in this marriage you will create and raise new members of society, and in exchange society will give you certain benefits" (these benefits differ from country to country but it exists everywhere). It also defines certain obligations and responsibilities towards children and family in general. Therefore, the purpose of marriage is to create the best conditions for raising new members of society, that is the fundamental purpose of marriage. Grown adults don't need marriage to live their lives as they want and with whomever they want, marriage is because of children, to protect them and to provide them the best. For this reason, the institution of marriage is the life union of a man and a woman exclusively. I don't mind if someone lives with whomever they want, just don't call it marriage. As someone said: if everything is marriage, nothing is. As for the trans movement, I knew this was going to happen the first time gay activist sued the bakery for refusing to make a cake for gay "wedding". It is a slippery slope, it will never end. There will be no point where activists will say: "ok, we're satisfied, we wont do activism anymore, we won't push for more", that will never happen. So, paradoxically, what happened is that "Revolution devours its children". They used to label people as "homophobes", now they are labelled as "transphobes" themselves.

[@balalaika852]

Marriage exists to pass on property to sons fathered by the owner of said property. Why would marriage be uniquely suited to raising children? All marriage achieves is combining all your assets. Why would that be the thing that children care most about?

[@SimbaOS]

​@@balalaika852 I explained that. Marriage is a kind of contract that provides the best conditions for raising children. It's what keeps a nuclear family together. It's a blueprint for a successful society. It also provides children with a model of a man and a woman, their relationship and desirable behaviour in society in general. If it weren't for marriage and the obligations that come from it, men would go around making children, with no obligations to them or to their mothers. Marriage is what binds them, both morally and legally.

[@BeenNoticing]

Almost every culture throughout history the ceremonial contract has also been with/under God. It is the key that differentiates capital M Marriage from the numerous other ways people engage in coupling. The whole *legal* battle was over the word "Marriage" not the concept of homosexual couples having the rights they deserve. It would have been a lot more work, and taken years to create the framework for gay couples legal rights, so they just changed the legal definition of the word Marriage instead. The cultural battle was used to over shadow and win the legal battle.

[@SRWill64]

The trans and the weird stuff that's going on is ALL POLITICAL!!! We need to defeat the party that is ALLOWING this stuff to go on. We need to come back to common sense.

[@Bkn1BttmDo11a]

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[@rwild9356]

It's all political in that trans are being put in the spotlight now. Hormone therapy was invented in the 1940s and at the time was marveled as an achievement of man kind! Politicians should just stay out of gay and trans people's lives.

[@ruimartins5976]

My father's best friend from childhood was gay. My father was a short guy, like 5.4, and his friend was 5.11, so he always had my fathers back. My father loved him for that. He eventually become a famous artist here in Portugal called Alex "Mister Gay". So that was my reality growing up. I'm fed up with all this hate and rhetoric from the alphabet people. I'm not gay, but I would hate to have this people represent me if I was.

[@smileyglitter852]

What kills me is them letting minor attracted people in the community...

[@Meryawey]

From what I know maps (pedos) are not included, they have been rejected a lot of times. But the pedos keep insisting, creating flags, symbols, behaving and talking like gays, because it worked with trans, so they also try it. But there are people hidding their real intentions behind the lgbt brand, the obsession they have with the kids is just not normal. I dislike that too.

[@rwild9356]

They're called MAPs and I guarantee you the LGBTQ+ community is viciously against them.

[@thegreatgambeeno]

That's not happening with the larger parts of the pro-gay movement. It may be happening somewhere along the way, and it will get weeded out pretty quickly. Only predatory mindsets & weak-willed cult minds will fall for that shit.

[@FirstLast-ii5cp]

And when did that happen exactly?

[@acetributon]

This video is highly underrated

[@Neo_Red_Pill]

Completely agree

[@Brian-cr6rb]

I'm having trouble believing just how much sense this discussion makes! Thank you so much for making me feel like I'm not alone with how I feel about all this insanity! I'm 42, gay, married to my husband since 2011, who I met in 2001. At my mothers funeral a couple years ago, the priest at my catholic church my husband and I as being married! We were both shocked to see the progress. Now this crazyness is moving us back to the 50's like you discussed. Why can't we just not go to a place where nobody cares about what goes on when the lights go out. Keep your mouth shut and stop shoving it down the necks of those who just don't need to hear about pronouns and identity.

[@Brian-cr6rb]

Recognized us as being married, my apologies.

[@doby1buddy2]

What happened to loving yourself as you are and accepting oneself? It seems the trans movement has derailed the LGB train.

[@twiztedsynz]

Funny you say that, when that's all the 'trans movement' wants. They didn't derail anything, rather the LGB has decided to believe Heterosexuals that they did.

[@rwild9356]

Sometimes loving and accepting yourself means losing 20 pounds so that you can be happier with how you look. Sometimes it means getting plastic surgery to fix a cleft lip or fatty lumps that make your eyes sag. Transitioning is no different.

[@doby1buddy2]

@@rwild9356 As if cutting off your healthy breast or chopping off your penis is the same🤡