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@mrzenox98352 жыл бұрын
god I missed u so bad
@okorochukwunonso2563 Жыл бұрын
Love you both!
@garybregel1572Ай бұрын
Don't let them fool you, this is two gay guys.
@braddavid917319 күн бұрын
blonde is gross too, circuit queen
@JMR-c6g18 күн бұрын
who cares ?
@giulia177517 күн бұрын
I mean.... the sexual tension between them is pretty obvious...
@danielkoher194416 күн бұрын
As in EXTREMELY HAPPY 😆 GURLLLY GURLZ! ENOUGH! They’re KILLING ME!
@danielkoher194416 күн бұрын
@@JMR-c6g Evidently? They do always referring to ‘She’s NOT!’ GOT IT? GET IT? GOOD! 😌
@mannygutierrez76542 жыл бұрын
"And this is a straight heterosexual man" as Jeff literally looks like he wants to devour Travis
@Grey-Talon41982 жыл бұрын
Well Travis did take Jeff's virginity on a only fans video.
@Angelika53782 жыл бұрын
XD same thought. I was like nahh you sure about that?🤣
@marcos-ll2yr2 жыл бұрын
he said sort off. So he is not 100% he is heteroflexible he said on Mario
@timothysaathoff31152 жыл бұрын
Right... im like my boy is hungry
@zonkengejane43412 жыл бұрын
Lol yeah thought I was the only one who noticed😹
@lukesmith2725Ай бұрын
A) Jeff wants Travis. You can’t hide or fake that look. His eyes say all you need to know. B) Travis speaks 1000% truth. Everything outta his mouth is spot on true. “You can’t play by the pool and not get wet”. Truer words never spoken. This video was wonderful.
@Giaduzza8913 күн бұрын
I think that he's just flaunting the fact that he's not intimidated by the situation 😂
@mules86622 жыл бұрын
There’s nothing straight about this video. Not even Jeff.
@professortrelawney2 жыл бұрын
Jeff looks at Travis like he badly wants to top him as if it's their last day on earth. hahah.
@4cuttime2 жыл бұрын
Lol right!
@sxnder Жыл бұрын
@@4cuttime I think its them being playful. The constant touching and looks has to be..
@curiousnerdkitteh4 ай бұрын
They're queerbaiting us and for once I don't mind queerbaiting lol
@SupratimSaha-z2z9 күн бұрын
Yes,, its true 😂
@gem36142 жыл бұрын
I think Jeff is anything but straight and that’s perfectly perfect! 😊
@anthonyr72082 жыл бұрын
AGREED
@Alterlove32 жыл бұрын
Or he is comfortable with his sexuality?
@ashsummermakaio47562 жыл бұрын
Isn’t there an onlyfans video of Travis f*cking Jeff?
@gem36142 жыл бұрын
@@ashsummermakaio4756 love to see that
@Mahogui.2 жыл бұрын
Look the definition for QUEER
@derekvandeventer4973 Жыл бұрын
I want to find someone who looks at me the way Jeff looks at Travis!
@haopowei2 жыл бұрын
Travis just described bottoming so well and beautiful , the mentally submission and connect to another person.
@MGSHM1 Жыл бұрын
Yes. But… the mentally submission to your boyfriend can also be misused. I experienced this in my own relationship. There was later no love feelings anymore from him, only to satisfy his dominance feelings and to hurt me in my soul.
@haopowei Жыл бұрын
@@MGSHM1 I am sorry to heat that. Thank you for sharing this experience.
@MGSHM1 Жыл бұрын
@@haopowei thank you too for reacting👍. If you think you know your guy… take care
@viderethevaccinatorfromhol75365 ай бұрын
what about the prostate
@maximeboissonneault62034 ай бұрын
Bottoming is not necessarily about submission. You can be “bottom” while being on top and actually dominant…
@keithblevins50932 жыл бұрын
I think Jeff just needs to go for it. He's really curious, or a hell of an actor.
@churrymurray9 ай бұрын
Jeff's heart is racing with desire in a lot of this vid.
@timothyxosullivan2 жыл бұрын
Sexuality is such an interesting topic. I am bi, and i far prefer to mix with gays than straights. Gays tend to be independent thinkers which i love.
@tomas26682 жыл бұрын
Comments like yours are so refreshing to hear man😁👍🏻
@willgawne26332 жыл бұрын
Hello
@willgawne26332 жыл бұрын
How r u
@VihaanBelani Жыл бұрын
So you're saying that everyone should not be straight
@timothyxosullivan Жыл бұрын
@@VihaanBelani no such thing as should. You are what you are.
@pete40872 жыл бұрын
9:45 - 10:30 YOU NAILED IT! I moved to the gay community five years ago with the best intentions of living openly and authentically, making new friends, and perhaps meeting someone special. The reality is that it can be unfriendly, dismissive, and beyond cliquey. I stopped going out after a while and can honestly say that straight men treat me with more dignity. At 54, I crave friendship and connection the most. Does this mean I'll move? NO. I love the openness and diversity. I love that LGBTQ+ people can walk anywhere here and hold hands and kiss. Add the stunning natural beauty of my town on top of that and I'm still sold. As for these challenges, I'm hoping to work around them with time and keep the door open. Thank you so much, Travis, for the great content!
@curiousnerdkitteh4 ай бұрын
OMG you're describing my experience so well!
@leomack44325 ай бұрын
So I’m a gay man and my two best friends are straight…both married and they were part of my wedding to my husband and I was part of their weddings to their wives. I just want to say that of all the videos out there that try to deal with subjects this is the best. I found it respectful and honest and it meant so much to see the closeness you share.
@joshyB19922 жыл бұрын
Love how comfortable you two are together 😊. You’re right on how toxic the community is though 😢it’s a shame really.
@marielhoey58212 жыл бұрын
I have always loved Travis from the very beginning he is so loving and lovable and kind and always exciting to watch him and Jeff have a great time together and enjoy the bromance with Jeff ❤
@marielhoey58212 жыл бұрын
@@magicalmomentswithloni4835 me too my name is Mariel
@jamesdensmore1816 Жыл бұрын
You guys are so cute together. I've seen your onlyfans video so I know Jeff is not100% straight and I'm glad he is so open to sexual experiences.
@Tudonoagora18 күн бұрын
Omg tell me more what he did???😮
@joshryantt2 жыл бұрын
One thing Travis neglected to mention was the simple "hurt people will hurt people" in relation to the last question.
@Pammie12212 ай бұрын
If they're not a couple, they should be. I really like how kind and respectful they are with each other. ❤❤
@Tee90s2 жыл бұрын
Travis, I like the way you explained your blend of masculinity and femininity. I’ve only met one person who has that perfect blend. It truly is beautiful seeing it in person. #stayin true to self
@paulsehstedt62752 жыл бұрын
Shit happens, mostly, when you're unprepared for some action.
@JoseHerrera-hm7bv4 ай бұрын
The way they look at each other 🔥
@levijennings13522 жыл бұрын
I cannot believe how wise you are, so young…. Very complete inclusive observations. Perhaps there is hope. Good on you…. Very good work. Thank you.
@lnr335 ай бұрын
Love is in the air. The way they look each other😊
@tonystone101612 сағат бұрын
Thanks for nornalizing size. In a fictional story huge sounds amazing. IRL average is good.
@lloyd23642 жыл бұрын
So cute the look at each other in the eyes and it's adorable sending love from a new Zealand gay
@WilsonWatt-q2e5 ай бұрын
As a gay man who has been out since before Stonewall, I have really enjoyed this because what you feel free to talk about and how you talk about it tells me that our culture is still growing and moving.
@ZariBacardi2 жыл бұрын
Just saying that there are a few of us who don’t have numerous intimate encounters. Me personally I’ve only had 2 and I’m 24. The stereotypes never have applied to me. But I agree with you on what’s commonly known. And some of us are more feminine while also confident in the fact that we are men. I personally don’t desire to change that fact
@toddvandenkirk64428 ай бұрын
TRAVIS - you have such a great insight and a very confident/educated/informative way of presenting yourself -- and answering these questions - BRAVO and Kudos to you .
@kailahcoleman33932 жыл бұрын
They want each other
@richardbuckwalter85714 ай бұрын
Sometimes I feel really embarrassed being gay!! Like you mentioned our community can be very judgmental, condescending, and rude!! As someone else mentioned, it is sad!! This video was well done, Travis!! ❤
@fatmahssengo34292 жыл бұрын
Jeff straight 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 he literally just wants to eat u up😄
@HollyWils9217 күн бұрын
Jeff is so gay he swung back to straight, also my word, both of you are so attractive and have lovely personalities!
@bimaltwayana2058 Жыл бұрын
gay romance is amazing...
@Tee90s2 жыл бұрын
I have been judged as being a different gay. Like I’m not the type that screams gay. I’m not overly masculine but not feminine either. So I hardly get approached by other gays. Even back when I wanted to be approached. The gay community can be some complexed at time lol.
@curiousnerdkitteh4 ай бұрын
This is top tier content. Real answers and real queerbaiting. 😂 In a way I actually don't mind! It's adorable seeing what close friends they are that they can be silly and mess around yet so authentic for us with real questions we really appreciate the answers to!
@nancyborden58602 жыл бұрын
Travis, I've listened to a lot of your wisdom for a long time. You are one smart cookie 🍪! You make me want to be a gay , young, handsome, versatile man. Being rich would be nice too.
@voxveritas3335 ай бұрын
They are both so great-looking. It's nice to watch them.
@amydon74312 жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh kiss already 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@kdnu275 ай бұрын
Blonde guy doesn't even try to pretend he's straight. Worst acting ever xD.
@curiousnerdkitteh4 ай бұрын
LITERALLY
@curiousnerdkitteh4 ай бұрын
@@kdnu27im sure hes straight they're just queerbaiting so hard looool
@moumitareads37382 жыл бұрын
The way he is looking at him
@guyontheinternet88912 жыл бұрын
I feel the same way as Jeff after that bottom explanation. I think you just convinced me as well.
@steevenhyde35052 жыл бұрын
Jeff is straight? Yeah, right...
@MrLovelycristy21 күн бұрын
he's trying so hard not to look your mouth when you explain something looking at him...😂
@notjay5812 жыл бұрын
both of them r into each-other, change m mind
@tonyaguon2512 ай бұрын
This was very educational for all straight and gay men to watch! It's great when we can have an open dialogue to better understand each other. Thanks for sharing !!!
@JT-ok6re5 ай бұрын
I like when you introduced him as a straight heterosexual man! He looked at the camera, and shook his hand sideways as he's like maybe HAHAHA
@jakebetz57952 жыл бұрын
I loved the way you answered everything, and you seem like a very outstanding friend and person. Your response to the question at 9:18-10:45, especially stood out for me. "The culture is so much about 'Love,' and 'Acceptance,' and 'Be Who You Are,' but when you're actually /in/ the culture...." I started snapping right there. That discrimination you speak about, amongst gays, is a very real thing. I can cite moments I was on the receiving end. but I also admittedly have caught myself in moments that I was having at least thoughts that were toxic in a judgmental manner, decided who I would talk to/engage with based on those thoughts, or played on the various labels, identifiers, or qualifiers that gay guys tag on one another in order to categorize and decide who is more "important," more "beautiful," or more qualifying to be someone we are willing to date, or be friends with... But this is all harmful as fuck. And gays need to stop harming other gays. I agree, it can very much be a toxic culture- I'd even venture to say it's rampant, with the online dating communities and our ever-growing capability to dismiss or "next" every person that falls beneath our abstract lines of "acceptable..." We effectively narrow down our social circles to people who all look similar. We un-diversify gays all the time, when what we originally wanted to celebrate was that in itself, "different" is beautiful. And that's how I want to change to be, is someone who is not so angry or dismissive of those who have different perspectives, or different opinions... It's almost like we've stopped wanting others to have thoughts of their own. Just so wrong, so opposite of the progress we've worked towards- toxic, like you said. I suppose I couldn't know what it's like to be a content creator on KZbin, nor to work with you, so I can't say with certainty how it would go... But but I am invested in being the change I want to see in the world- I hope to always cleanse myself of bitterness, resentment, toxiciity, and I imagine we'd be great friends and work very well together, and I would certainly support your endeavors in creating content and spreading your wisdom. You have valuable things to say!! Thank you for representing, I appreciate you!
@noelliebtsie2 жыл бұрын
In black america that was called code-switching. The different modes (a lot of) black folks would employ depending who they're talking to. The fact that almost never comes up in films/shows is one way you know they don't have black writers. lol
@flexparachute2 ай бұрын
The psychological term for this is "social role" which is more of a cultural element then a racial one. It exists in all cultures in the world.
@azizquality97342 жыл бұрын
My Mr. Blonde hair I doubt your 90% straightness🙄😳🧐🤭
@Angelika53782 жыл бұрын
Ehm you sure your friend is straight? XD when you explained bottoming he looked really...intrigued
@justmeoz8452 ай бұрын
Jeff closet is the one in the chronicles of Narnia 😅
@sandraserafini43515 ай бұрын
I think there's a spark of romance there .
@beaubritton21255 ай бұрын
Width is more important than length.
@Titax_byler22 күн бұрын
I had to pause the video every 5 seconds cus i just cant stop laughing at how does the "straight" friend looks at the gay one 😭 I JUST CANT- ITS SO GAY OMFG
@itskhaotic Жыл бұрын
6:43 hit so hard! I can relate to it all. I am more “masculine” vs when I was younger. 9:51 straights and Bi’s are more accepting of me, while the gay guys aren’t. One guy I was talking to said I wasn’t gay enough. It had me going “what in the actual 🤬uck!” 😂🤣😭 but I get it I guess/I think 🤷♂️
@yeulr21 күн бұрын
he wants that cookie so effing bad
@IamFuffi19 күн бұрын
These guys should be in a BL movie , omg so perfect and beautiful bonding for each other
@shanjchan2 жыл бұрын
Awesome and informative vid!! I agree with pretty much all you said!!
@Ratigan213 күн бұрын
FOR THE LOVE OF TRAVIS PLEASE F*** ALREADY I CAN'T WAYCH THIS VIDEO WITH THOSE LOOKS😂😂
@tomas26682 жыл бұрын
I subscribed to Jeff's OF, there's a particular video where I would kinda disagree Jeff is a true "straight" dude lol
@iagoteles96273 ай бұрын
Jeff keeps eye contact for far too long…😂
@timatimtim48582 жыл бұрын
Are we sure the other guy is straight? Errr...
@livinglifetoday917113 күн бұрын
Happy to see more convos like this after watching QAF recently - you guys cracked me up! Travis loved your honesty - Jeff - is that the key to your heart?!!
@sifilore94622 жыл бұрын
These 2 r adorable together, but I would like to c some of Travis and Reno together. I don’t think there r any vids.
@ErinMartijn2 жыл бұрын
@sifilore - There are some with Travis and Reno, both on here and elsewhere.😉 Look back a year or more ago on Mario Adrion’s YT channel for a vid called “Real Talk with Reno Gold and Travis Bryant... “. As for “elsewhere”, that one of Reno with Travis is on Travis’s page.
@francisagyemangantwi51812 жыл бұрын
U guys look good together
@MannyVegaNieves2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for reposting this bro
@Arockpromoter2 жыл бұрын
Y’all are both still so funny and great!
@fitrockx2 жыл бұрын
My god, Travis is such a cutie! 😍
@farddinabdula25412 жыл бұрын
The answers trav gave are so true!! Specially the gays being the bitch. Got so much downs being a chubby gays , frustrating and sad
@kentamccarter958021 күн бұрын
I had a friend that died in 2021, I loved him and miss him very much, there was no one like him💔😔 You too love each other , and perfect for each other, don't ever let go of each other😢
@Mohammedbasim-fq6qu6 ай бұрын
travis is so nice and adorable , thank you guys for making this video , one day i will watch it and tell if it was worth it
@00nigirimeshi2 жыл бұрын
Well I think this Jeff guy cannot take his hands and eyes off you...
@alejandroolmedo58485 күн бұрын
As "the culture" there's a lot of work to be done... I think for the most part if you can find 1/2 good gay friends that you can really count on and trust and love you for YOU then who cares if all these other people don't appreciate your uniqueness! We're also WAY more than our sexuality, so learn to love that side plus all the other sides of you!
@briany24562 жыл бұрын
This discussion is the first time in my 47 on this earth that i can relate to!
@sarthakchakraborty12Ай бұрын
3:41 and Travis says he's "heterosexual" lmfao 🤣
@BTURNER19617 ай бұрын
I just happened upon this. It addresses some interesting topics. Its absolutely true that the gay subculture has a very long way to go, if it expects to be taken seriously about not bullying, being inclusive and being empathetic towards people's differences. Try being gay, and not conforming to the preferred body images, lauded and celebrated by gay subculture. You can be shallow, or petty, or mean, or controling or clicquish, but you dare not be overweight!
@FallenTrinty2 ай бұрын
This was definitely educational. Wish there was more videos on KZbin like this
@ezelldaniels60642 жыл бұрын
I am here for all the old content videos being re- uploaded. 😜😂 I love you Travis & Jeffy. ❤ this made my day.
@pollutingpenguin21462 ай бұрын
Jeff is giving me - confessions of a vampire, Tom Cruise.
@ColinJohnson-hb3jf2 күн бұрын
I follow my family. I've never had illicit sex, one-night-stands or was promiscuous. I had five boyfriends in college, and that's it. I only had intimacy within relationships. That's just me, and what's normal for me and what feels right. My family doesn't do things that are shallow or fleeting.
@ErinMartijn2 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this interesting, informative vid.❤ I know some guys on the bisexual spectrum (they’re between 20 and 70% gay) and they’ve relayed to me that some fully gay guys hate women and some gays also have an issue with bisexual men. It’s really pretty sad that bi men are getting reviled by BOTH straights and gays. There’s no shortage of intolerant, bigoted people on both sides. That said, my own interactions directly with gay men and bi men over the years has thankfully been positive thus far (I’m a het female).
@nncc14852 жыл бұрын
Yep true
@nikich410Ай бұрын
4:01 as a gay teenager with 0 experience i really want to say thank you, the info that i find is different and i cant find really natural/real corn that would show it how it is. But now I'm relieved, cuz im totally ok with that, i just needed to know
@raikantopenny73352 жыл бұрын
I feel so much for Travis about his transition to masculinity. I used to cross dress as a kid.. thanks to bullying i decided to act str8. Now my family thinks am straight and are forcing me to get married. 😢
@samprimera55452 жыл бұрын
Okay I had to smoke a cig at the 3:30 mark cause I got off.Just kidding.I quit smoking two February's ago.Lol Ok here's the big one.The gays being feminine.I do agree with you it's easier to be feminine if you talk like it.However...I also believe we were pushed into a closet so much that acting feminine is a way to 1).Fight back against the breeders but also 2).It might be to ridicule the straights."You tried to push me into a closet but I'm here.Im queer.Get over it." And porn guys say they douche before a scene so they don't have a poopie dookie. And finally I agree with you about another thing.We do talk to a fellow gay differently than a straight.I had gay freinds that worked at a crossdressing cabaret and almost all lived in the same apt complex.One always used the word biscuit to say/describe he made a mistake."Oh.Muh God!I feel like such a biscuit".You might have a freind that uses a similar term. Anyway,I'm introducing him to my dad and he uses that term.He turned to my dad and said "Oh damn.I feel like such a biscuit." My dad to his credit calmly said "you don't have to feel that way.You didn't know" I was mortified at first but my dad was a trooper. Sorry going on so long.
@scottmwilhelms2437 Жыл бұрын
With you on the idea many confuse sex with their actual desire for intimacy. As for femininity, I've come to believe it's, at least in part, an over correction from the toxic aspects of masculinity. Too many lean into femininity for they're clinging to stereotypical definitions of masculinity rather than redefining it into a more emotionally intelligent version. Emotions always have been universally human yet were mistakenly gendered which lead to the toxicity and manhood's multiple issues.
@shore5307Ай бұрын
6:17 Thank you so much for talking about masculine intimacy. And thank you for acknowledging that it is not just through homosexual attraction that it is attained. It is universally important for us men to have masculine intimacy with one another. My latest relationship (before he cheated, when I broke up with him), I didn't know at the time but he was in an open relationship with a very unloving husband who is using him to get his green card to become a citizen in the US. This person, unbeknownst to me, was very sexually promiscuous. When we met, we talked a little bit about our backgrounds, and we were both at a beach. So, we were both shirtless. He said that he was a hugger and that he liked meeting me, and I could tell that he needed a hug, so I went ahead and gave him a really strong hug. his face was initially a little anxious, but then he smiled and gave a giddy, cute laugh. I know that we were shirtless because we need skin to skin contact to feel true connection. We met the following evening, and we were in the water at the beach talking about very deep topics of emotions, philosophy, religion, beliefs about current events, society issues, and endless of their topics late into the night. We entered closer and closer, and I eventually embraced him to hold him in the water tightly against me in my arms. I share all of this because there was nothing sexual about any of it we were just being intimately close emotionally and physically. Although our relationship did progress to other things in the future, that evening was the most intimate thing that I think he has ever experienced. Same for myself. When I would embrace him and gently talk to him close to his face and ear, he would show initial anxiety but then relax. Eventually, he stayed relaxed and didn't quite know what to do lol. I never knew he was married in an open relationship the whole time, so I thought he was single. We would spend a lot of time together over the week that he was in town, and he would stay another week just to see me more. I caught him cheating with strangers, All in one night, so I broke up with him. The hyper promiscuity I believe was out of a lack of understanding that what we had was true intimacy together. We talked on the phone a bit after this, and I would explain the psychology of this little by little to him, and he listened. I will not take someone who cheats, so I did not take him back, but I truthfully hope he's doing better. I share this detail for the sole purpose of sharing how we need to be intimate with one another to a deep level. It doesn't need to be gay, but it needs to be deep and real. Although yes I am a gay man, it doesn't have to be gay or sexual. And in my endless pursuit to learn more about relationships to be a good partner, I've learned that most men cheat not because they like sex but because they like this physical and emotional intimacy. This is also the root of a lot of porn addiction, which is why I believe my porn addiction of 11 years completely ended when I was with him. If I feel temptation now, I resurrect the feelings of intimacy, which staves it all away. I wasn't even tempted when I was with him. Learning about male psychology and relationships has been the most life-changing thing, and I am so thankful for you and others to talk about it. I hope that more gay men (and straight men and all other men) can learn more about physical and emotional intimacy and how important it is for us to have it with each other and with the women (or men) who we love. God bless both of you, truthfully, and heartfelt ❤
@stephenparker408320 күн бұрын
This is the best of all the “straight guy questions about being gay” videos that I have seen over the years.
@cmontesinos0075 ай бұрын
You guys are hilariously honest.
@dampfhuhn7810 Жыл бұрын
Broo, Intro was the best 😂👌
@curiousnerdkitteh4 ай бұрын
I think for a lot of men (if they haven't been pressured to be otherwise or have managed to disconnect from that pressure) they may simply be expressing what comes naturally for them, or natural in a certain dynamic, and that gets labelled masculine or feminine because of society always pushing that interpretation on us.
@Vonte444 Жыл бұрын
Why is this conversation so sensual between them both 😭
@nyc16416 күн бұрын
Travis, you are a smart guy and I’m always interested to hear your opinion!
@judithmurray13765 ай бұрын
I have had gay male friends all my adult life (I am a woman) , close friends, but never felt comfortable asking some of these questions. Thanks for the education ❤🌈
@MarissaD-d1l2 күн бұрын
Ok im new here, but Travis is very well spoken, so i already respect him
@robi99732 жыл бұрын
You guys are awesome
@alandillon968Ай бұрын
I found this extremely interesting and honest of Travis. Travis description of anal sex was spot on as his description of discrimination within the gay culture from Ageism, Racism. Even the devide between many gay men and lesbians and bigotry. Found this far better than I expected. Well done to Travis and Jeff.
@johndeboard28432 жыл бұрын
Loved this video ❤
@isaiasramosgarcia97712 жыл бұрын
Jeff is extremely handsome
@emjayayАй бұрын
So is the blond guy.
@gzmodel2 жыл бұрын
Well said! And you wear your pride very well!! # Respect
@davestephen86792 жыл бұрын
God hates pride all most people say is God is love but truth is God also has hate don't be fooled with this pride systems the end is destruction
@JCCRVB25 күн бұрын
I'm blessed to be rather straight acting but have MANY friends like Jeff. Their gilfriends/wives never seem to mind, Some actually encourage it because they know some of my friends are from 30 years ago! They are wise enough to not break that bond. As he said, that type of relationship is for me, which is good since I am devout Lutheran and do not want to go "the" gay sin.