Christians, It’s Time to Take a STAND on This Issue

[@krystal6612]

I LOVE THIS CHANNEL❤ thank you for all your hard work!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL❤

[@zitternden]

Well done. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? (Joh 5:46-47)

[@klaushahn-jk8rq]

yep all lies right

[@Lisa-v8b]

I think we need to take a stand also!! Jordon Peterson said that Bible is full of stories couldn't defend his faith. He says he believes in God however it's not fables it's ALL true the flood, Jonah, Moses moving the water in Exodus etc. Thank you for showing us all your videos it helps us defend our faith, God bless you

[@velkyn1]

no evidence for any of your fairy tales, dear. Curious how even you christians are evidence your religion is pure nonsense since not a single one of you self-professed christians can do what jesus promised to his true followers in your bible: “22 Jesus answered them, ‘Have[b] faith in God. 23 Truly I tell you, if you say to this mountain, “Be taken up and thrown into the sea”, and if you do not doubt in your heart, but believe that what you say will come to pass, it will be done for you. 24 So I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received[c] it, and it will be yours.” - Mark 11 “Go into all the world and proclaim the good news[d] to the whole creation. 16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved; but the one who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: by using my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes in their hands,[e] and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.’” Mark 16 “7 ‘Ask, and it will be given to you; search, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened for you. 8 For everyone who asks receives, and everyone who searches finds, and for everyone who knocks, the door will be opened. 9 Is there anyone among you who, if your child asks for bread, will give a stone? 10 Or if the child asks for a fish, will give a snake? 11 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask him!” Matthew 7 “1 Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; but if you do not, then believe me because of the works themselves. 12 Very truly, I tell you, the one who believes in me will also do the works that I do and, in fact, will do greater works than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If in my name you ask me[e] for anything, I will do it.” John 14 “ 7 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask for whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. “ John 15 “13 Are any among you suffering? They should pray. Are any cheerful? They should sing songs of praise. 14 Are any among you sick? They should call for the elders of the church and have them pray over them, anointing them with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 The prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise them up; and anyone who has committed sins will be forgiven. 16 Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, so that you may be healed. The prayer of the righteous is powerful and effective. 17 Elijah was a human being like us, and he prayed fervently that it might not rain, and for three years and six months it did not rain on the earth. 18 Then he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain and the earth yielded its harvest.” James 5

[@Bomtombadi1]

It is all fables!

[@LanciaStratosZero]

JP is a shill from the beginning.

[@LanciaStratosZero]

@@Bomtombadi1 No, you're the one who believes in fables you've been spoonfed by your school system and you media. "Astrobiology" springs to mind...

[@mirandahotspring4019]

@@Bomtombadi1 And dismally pathetic ones at that!

[@hammermekanik]

It seems like a lot of people throughout history like to reject reality and fabricate their own. I have faith that scripture is not subjective. Keep them coming AIG

[@jockyoung4491]

"It seems like a lot of people throughout history like to reject reality and fabricate their own." And you don't even see the irony.

[@Vernon-Chitlen]

​@@jockyoung4491Nobody has found the 95% of the matter and energy that's missing, required to explain your universe's existence and motions. And you are ridiculously far from demonstrating life had a natural origin.

[@Vernon-Chitlen]

​@@jockyoung4491That non living matter became living for no reason. And nobody can demonstrate the prebiotic chemistry required for the most basic protein or gene to form? Even cheating? They separate out the particular elements a particular bio molecule consists of instead of all 98 elements a prebiotic world would be exposed to. Should at least start from carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen, sulfur and phosphorus. The 6 that comprise 98% of what living things are made of. Why not the handful of trace elements? Atheists, naturalists are so ridiculously far from demonstrating life had a natural origin it's not even funny!

[@venomousgas3300]

@@jockyoung4491 You again? Why do you spend so much time and energy attacking people on Creation, or even Biblical channels? It seems like you are trying to convince yourself that you aren't wrong. You don't even seem to watch the videos that have dissolved your previous assertions.

[@BmoreGrrrrl]

@@venomousgas3300 What's wrong with correcting the willful lies told by creationists on channels like this?

[@somerandom3247]

When your story doesnt align with reality, it's the story that's wrong, not reality....

[@jockyoung4491]

Yes, that's the first rule of science. But for these people, the story MUST be true. Reality is irrelevant.

[@shalyfemusic]

Exactly

[@johnglad5]

Every day more evidence comes to light yet many refuse to accept biogenesis and creation.

[@somerandom3247]

@@johnglad5 What evidence would that be?

[@tims5268]

@@johnglad5 there literally isn’t a person on the planet that denies biogenesis 😂. Anyone that believes animals are born or hatched believes in biogenesis. Not sure you understand the words you’re using.

[@jimkennedy9242]

And there will come mockers.. I choose Jesus and his word..

[@christianfreedom-seeker2025]

The real mockers are the science deniers who would brainwash us into believing that the world is 6,000 years old.

[@Alexander_Kale]

If God made the world, then the very Earth we live on is the word of god, and a first hand account to boot. The boble on the other hand was dictated to man and is thus a second hand account. When the two contradict, why should I take the bible over the first hand account that is Earth itself?

[@mooreoftammie]

@@Alexander_Kalethe Earth is not the Word of God. Jesus is: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. John 1:1-3 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ ” And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. John 1:14-17 Jesus referred to Scripture often by saying “It is written….” or “Have you not read….?” We can look at the Earth and know there IS God, but what we cannot do is worship the Earth: For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and [g]Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like [h]corruptible man-and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. Roman’s 1:20-23

[@oldtimerlee8820]

Thank you. God Bless.

[@Jesusiscominglive777]

Ty & God bless you& I'm praying they find the light, before it's too late‼️☦️

[@ChildofGod315]

Jesus hear my prayers make a way for my children and I because I’m struggling. I’m holding on to my faith. I feel so alone as a single parent things are hard on me. I’m constantly struggling to provide the basic necessities for my children both are special needs. Lord Jesus hear my prayers. Walking with faith not by sight. I know you will make a way.

[@ianmonk6211]

Prayers for you.

[@RobertMcUSA]

Praying for you too. May God strengthen you and care for you and your children.

[@jimkennedy9242]

Pray without ceasing.. Trust in him.. One day soon, very soon, we will enter into the rest and joy of the Lord.. For our lives are but a vapor that appear for a little while and then vanish away.. into his presence. Prayers and love - 😢 ❤

[@mirandahotspring4019]

@@jimkennedy9242 Yeah, waste your life grovelling to your imaginary god.

[@sgt.grinch3299]

God has given us the truth about creation and life. I trust God not mankind.

[@jockyoung4491]

I trust the real world.

[@betaorionis2164]

So, we shouldn’t trust YOU?

[@chadwickemcphearson]

"I BELIEVE THE BIBLE, BUT . . ." Watch your step!

[@mooreoftammie]

Excellent! Thank you AIG Canada! These videos are so well done and clearly explained, I enjoy them so much! Keep up the great work!

[@guylelanglois6642]

Thank you sir

[@owlfethurz8377]

For all of us "visual learners" I want to thank you for the graphic illustrations in this video! They really help me to understand the material. God's word stands forever!

[@wootenbasset8631]

No flood. No fossils.

[@wootenbasset8631]

If you can believe an asteroid killed the dinosaurs, then why not a flood?

[@tims5268]

@@wootenbasset8631 do you really believe only a worldwide flood would cause fossils? 😂

[@tims5268]

@@YuelSea-sw2rp are you having a stroke? Do you need help?

[@tims5268]

@@YuelSea-sw2rp how embarrassing for you.

[@christianfreedom-seeker2025]

There were literally millions of epic, land-changing events. You cannot ascribe fossils to a fictional flood!!!

[@Nathan-vt1jz]

The problem with restricting interpretation of scripture to a strict literalistic interpretation is both the Bible itself and the early church interpreted portions of the Bible allegorically. This isn’t a denial of historicity, it’s a recognition of different genres and the use of methods of interpretation within the Bible. Reducing interpretation to only a literalistic reading of the text is in opposition to the Bible’s own interpretation of itself - typology, allegory, poetic, polemic, and illustrative interpretation are all employed within the Bible.

[@nicholasisaiah53john316]

I pray that Christians open their eyes to the watering down of God's Word with man's philosophy over time.

[@NormBaker.]

The word of God is Jesus Christ...HELLO!

[@SurferKroky]

@@NormBaker.yes Jesus is the Word. But God also preserved his word for us . How would we know about anything otherwise haha . God bless

[@NormBaker.]

@@SurferKroky Jesus said he was sending a helper (The holy spirit) to each individual, as well as the church as a collective.. He did not say he was sending a bible. He never asked that he wanted anything written down. Most people completely are lost because they have not received the baptism of the holy spirit.

[@SurferKroky]

@@NormBaker. How do you know he said that ?

[@SurferKroky]

@@NormBaker. Hebrews 4:12 Matthew 4:4. Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. Matthew 7:24 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. Matthew 24:35 So is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it. Isaiah 55:11 I have so many more. In the Bible when the word “Word “ starts with a capital W it refers to Christ. Small w is for the scriptures 🙂

[@lukewagner8871]

1 Timothy 6:20-21 KJVS O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: [21] Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

[@UnbrokenBeliever]

Except science there means knowledge, and has no reference to modern science. Try to think critically, and read a Bible translation that properly translates words into modern vernacular.

[@thomasmartinscott]

@@UnbrokenBeliever "KNOWLEDGE falsely so called"? Ok, still means they don't KNOW what they think they know. God made Adam a Full Grown Man. If he had died 30 seconds later, how "old" would "Science", using currently used methods for determining age, say he was? Try to think critically!

[@UnbrokenBeliever]

@@thomasmartinscott”God made Adam a full grown man” That is an assumption on your part, not at all implied in the text. “Try to think critically” I’d recommend you take your own advice

[@MrLogo73]

​​​​​@@thomasmartinscottThe assumption for your 'experiment' of age determination of Adam is not justified. You have not demonstrated, that any supernatural formation of a 30 year old Adam is even possible. All we know from evidence is, that humans are born and age over time. We can determine how old they were when they died. You would have to provide evidence that anyone ever formed by a supernatural act of creation. Don't confuse your request for an open mind with an empty mind, when you confuse Bible claims with acutual evidence.

[@sleric3]

Thank you Sir! >> 2 Thessalonian 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders. Paul warned about it by referring to the "lying wonders" of the satan. This is how believing in the Holy Bible leads to salvation. During the time when the satan is spreading his lies (those theories of creation and evolution), many will believe in them (and fall away). Paul further warned in verse 11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" That delusion could be in the form of their own ego. So debunk their lies fiercely but do not expect them to repent and change. The purpose of debunking their lies is to prevent the children from falling away. So brethren, do not let your ego overwhelm you. Wisdom and humility will lead you to Jesus - the path of salvation. Faith till the end!!!

[@revv45acp71]

Can’t wait for part 2!

[@22davidnew]

there is an eye witness who wrote about it. his evidence is found in Exodus 20::11 (NKJV) In six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them.

[@jockyoung4491]

Obviously there could not be any witness to that. And eye witnesss testimony is not infallible anyway .

[@22davidnew]

@@jockyoung4491 Are you calling God a liar?

[@jockyoung4491]

@@22davidnew No. I am saying it is unlikely that the entire Bible is the literal word of God. I don't know why anybody believes that anyway. It has nothing to do with faith.

[@earthisasphere]

@@22davidnew Even you all admit he Bible is written by men. No man was there to witness creation, if creation did occur.

[@willscholten1737]

The same witness wrote; 8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. The New International Version (Ex 20:8-11). (2011). Zondervan. I went to church 57 years of my life, why do they keep ZERO days that are commanded in the scripture, and keep man's traditions??? The Day of Atonement was the Holiest day of the year for Israel, now the "church is Sunday, Christmas and Easter, of which none were kept in the scriptures!!!! Wake up people!!!

[@johnsmit5999]

If the Flood was local, why would Noah be instructed to take so many different animals on the ark and not even for food? Couldn't God instruct them to just move like he did with Lot and his family and Sodom and Gomorrah?

[@donteatthecats0001]

Because the entire story is simply mythology.

[@jockyoung4491]

You would have to take that up with the people who wrote the story, which was originally about a Mesopotamian god.

[@Bigfeats1337]

I appreciate all the work you guys do to validate the bible. Let us keep in mind that our eternal salvation does not depend on how old the Earth is.

[@jockyoung4491]

Very true. I don't know why they care so much about the age of thr Earth anyway. It is what it is.

[@anaquaduck5252]

I would say it does. In the sense that we are instructed that death & suffering came via the fall and Christ/Immanuel came because of sin. Our salvation is rooted in the sin of Adam & Eve when all of creation was cursed and awaits redemption also. Once you start to dissect Scripture or twist it (on the basis of an assumption/uniformitarianism) that's kind of weird to me. Would it be the same as saying our salvation does not depend on whether we believe the earth is flat or round I wonder?

[@i7Qp4rQ]

It is a stumbling block for millions. One compromise leads to another. It is a standard scenario of a person leaving Christ.

[@Jacke7111]

You cant believe that God could create the earth it says in the bible, but you could for example believe that Jesus rose from the dead? In one case you dont believe in the bible, but in a another impossible case you choose to believe? If you cant believe the bible in all it is how can you believe at all?

[@michaelsowerby8198]

We don't 'validate' the Bible. We discover that the Bible is an accurate account of reality and that God's word can be thoroughly trusted, then we submit to its authority and view everything else in its light.

[@OnielMendezIrizarry]

Amen

[@LMeach-o7q]

The Truth IS clearly written and literal

[@Duty_to_Warn]

‘Clearly written’? Do you know ANYTHING about your religion, have you even read the Bible in its entirety? If you had you would know that it is, like the Quran and NT, it is full of hundreds of lies, errors and contradictions. Either god is a fool or the people who he allowed to spread his message are liars and fools, take your choice! Here are only 20 lies…..If there are two stories which conflict one must be a lie! New Testament. 1. Jesus' lineage was traced through David's son Solomon. Mt.1:6. Jesus' lineage was traced through David's son Nathan. Lk.3:31. 2. The announcement of the special birth came before conception. Lk.1:26-31. The announcement of the special birth came after conception. Mt.1:18-21. 3. Jesus' parents were told of their son's future greatness. Mt.1:18-21; Lk.1:28-35. Jesus' parents knew nothing of their son's potential. Lk.2:48-50. 4. The angel told Joseph. Mt.1:20. The angel told Mary. Lk.1:28. 5. There were 28 generations from David to Jesus. Mt.1:17. There were 43 generations from David to Jesus. Lk.3:23-31. 6. Jacob was Joseph's father. Mt.1:16. Heli was Joseph's father. Lk.3:23. 7. He was to be called Emmanuel. Mt.1:23. He was called Jesus. Mt.1:25. 8. Joseph, Mary, and Jesus flee to Egypt while Herod slaughters all males under 2 years old. Mt.2:13-16. (Note: Jesus' cousin, John, was also under 2 and survived without having to flee.) Joseph, Mary, and Jesus did not flee to Egypt, but remained for temple rituals. No slaughter of infants is mentioned! Lk.2:21-39. 9. Jesus was tempted during the 40 days in the wilderness. Mk.1:13. Jesus was tempted after the 40 days in the wilderness. Mt.4:2,3. 10. The devil first took Jesus to the pinnacle, then to the mountain top. Mt.4:5-8. The devil first took Jesus to the mountain top, then to the pinnacle. Lk.4:5-9. 11. Satan tempted Jesus. Mt.4:1-10; Mk.1:13; Lk.4:1,2. Satan had no interest in Jesus. Jn.14:30. 12. The baptism of Jesus was with the "Holy Ghost". Mk.1:8; Jn.1:33. Fire was also added to the baptism. Mt.3:11; Lu.3:16. 13. John knew of Jesus before he baptised him. Mt.3:11-13; Jn.1:28,29. John knew nothing of Jesus at all. Mt.11:1-3. 14. Jesus begins his ministry after John's arrest. Mk.1:13,14. Jesus begins his ministry before John's arrest. Jn.3:22-24. 15. It is recorded that Jesus saw the spirit descending. Mt.3:16; Mk.1:10. It is recorded that John saw the spirit descending. Jn.1:32. 16. The heavenly voice addressed the gathering. Mt.3:17. The heavenly voice addressed Jesus. Mk.1:11; Lk.3:22. 17. Immediately after the baptism, Jesus spent 40 days in the wilderness. Mt.4:1,2; Mk.1:12,13. Three days after the baptism, Jesus was at the wedding in Cana. Jn.2:1. 18. Jesus went to Bethphage and the Mt. of Olives, then left for Bethany. Mt.21:1,17. Jesus went to Bethphage and Bethany at the Mt. of Olives. Mk.11:1; Lk.19:29. Jesus went to Bethany and then Jerusalem. Jn.12:1,12. 19. Jesus and his disciples taught in Capernaum. Mk.1:20,21. Only Jesus taught in Capernaum. Lk.4:30,31. 20. Peter was chosen, with Andrew, by the Sea of Galilee. Mt.4:18-20; Mk.1:16-18. Peter was chosen, with James and John, by the lake of Gennesaret. Lk.5:2-11. Andrew chose Jesus and then got Peter to join. Jn.1:35-42.

[@klaushahn-jk8rq]

the truth is you silly that is clear

[@gecko-saurus]

It is, and anyone who takes the time to look at the magnificence of God's Creation would see that it clearly is one that has existed for countless ages and in which life evolves.

[@mirandahotspring4019]

Yeah, it's called science.

[@Duty_to_Warn]

@ What child like minds these people must have to believe that anything as complicated as the universe/creation requires a ‘designer’! Based on that argument; anything capable of creating the universe would have to be at least as complex as his creation. If complexity requires a designer, then the designer would require a designer, and so on to infinity. ♾️

[@ernestimken6969]

Bishop Ussher's "Annals of the World" was buried in the basement of the Dublin library around that time. Discovered in 2002 by Canadian linguists, it was published in English world wide. Usher believed in the innerency of all the Bible, including Genesis.

[@jockyoung4491]

Most people did in the 17th century

[@Ketfera]

As a devout Christian, I find videos like this rather frustrating, because on the one hand I appreciate what my brothers in the faith are trying to do - i.e. promote the inerrancy of Scripture - while on the other hand wish they would draw their battle lines in the proper places. With no offense intended, while I have no doubt there are some or even many who question the inerrancy of Scripture because they cannot reconcile it with other evidences, it seems a bit presumptuous to assume that everyone who suggests that God may not intend for early Genesis accounts to be treated in a strictly literal, Hellenistic way to be guilty of questioning Scripture’s inerrancy. It is possible to treat all of Genesis as accurate history and yet allow for God to convey it in a non-literal way, though I fear that most who disagree are generally unwilling to even listen to a logical explanation because it may challenge the box into which they have likely tried to fit God. I have chosen to remain agnostic on whether Genesis 1 is a literal account or not because it does not impact my relationship with God and is one less stumbling block for me when the Enemy tempts me with doubts about the truth of Scripture. God created the universe out of nothing by His being, power, and authority and sin entered the world by one man (and one woman). Besides the additional template for a seven-day week with a Sabbath, that’s all I essentially need from the first 3 chapters of Genesis. (Of course there is a whole lot more God can teach us through those chapters, but those teachings are not essential for faith.) Why would my position be such a threat?

[@frankguetta9529]

They’re brilliant. The final pillars of religion are crumbling around them.

[@jockyoung4491]

These people cannot understand nuance. Calvin explicitly rejects your view. He calls it "bending the knee to a false authority". He will simply not acknowledge any reality that does not fit his absolute literal interpretation. I try to tell them that such a stand can only disillusion people when they find out reality is different. They don't care. The words are the words. The rules are the rules.

[@marjieyoung9570]

It's possible that a person who questions the account of creation in Genesis as literal is not actually questioning the inerrancy of the Bible. Believers who think Genesis 1-3 is allegory very likely believe God intended the creation account to be interpreted poetically and lessons taken from it that way. In me experience that's just because too much faith is placed in the infallibility of man rather than the inerrancy of Scripture. We think, "Oh, since these two views are at odds I must have interpreted Scripture incorrectly," rather than, "Oh, since these two views are at odds I must not have all the information or I made a mistake in my scientific experiment." But the second point you made about how it's not that important in the grand scheme of things is why I am responding to you right now. You're right, it's not actually a "salvation" issue. There are no doubt old earth creationists in heaven right now with their hands on their chins saying, "Wow, you don't say!" However, that doesn't mean this isn't a very important topic. It's theologically foundational. There are a vast number of people who cite this very issue as the reason they are not believers. Within the first 3 chapters of Genesis is the whole Gospel. God created a perfect universe, man sinned and brought death and suffering into all of creation and is under the curse, God promised a Seed who would take that penalty onto Himself and save all those who will believe in Him. If this were not so, then the penalty for sin is not actually death since death had already been here, not just present, but actually as a mechanism of creation. If Genesis were not interpreted literally then that death and suffering being used as creative device was also, "very good," not the curse earned by our sin. Without the foundation of Genesis to stand on, the entire Gospel can be easily undermined, which is why it's under attack. That's why people like me say something. I hope that helps when considering Answers in Genesis' point of view.

[@frankguetta9529]

@ Even though I admire your stance against young earth creationism I’m not aware of anyone that doesn’t believe the Bible because of the age of the earth. Could you elaborate?

[@Ketfera]

@@frankguetta9529 You may then be surprised how many seekers disregard Christianity as viable because some believers insist that the “young earth” interpretation is the only valid one yet look at natural evidence (scientific evidence) and find it at odds in serious ways. I would agree that someone who genuinely believes in Christ should be able to accept a literal 6-day creation if that’s how God actually decided to do it, but there’s no reason to put an additional stumbling block in their path to faith when it isn’t (or shouldn’t be) an essential part of Christian dogma.

[@speedandstyletony]

I have that exact same food thermometer!

[@bookofrevelation4924]

Thank you, great work. The Great Apostasy is almost couple thousand years old, and growing. Enoch Animal Apocalypse Prophecy describes these days as Ravens led by an Eagle sitting on Saints' horns, picking at their eyes and flesh in a valley of dry bones.

[@aradicalmoderate5940]

I would love to see a conversation between you guys and Hugh Ross.

[@Chazd1949]

There have been quite a few dialogs and debates between Hugh Ross and various young earth creationists. I would like to know what arguments Calvin would present that would be any more convincing than say, Ken Ham, or any of the young earth scientists Dr. Ross has debated previously, including Danny Faulkner and Jason Lisle. But if the arrangement can be made, I'd certainly like to watch it.

[@justinharris6486]

The last time I saw Hugh Ross debate a creation scientist was Kent hovind 20-25 years ago and doubt he will do it again.

[@Chazd1949]

@@justinharris6486 Are you saying that Hugh Ross has not debated a young earth scientist in the last 20+ years, or simply that you haven't seen such a debate? And why do you think Ross would not do it again? Would like to see one or more of those debates if I give you some references?

[@justinharris6486]

@Chazd1949 haven't seen I only recently came back to the Lord

[@Chazd1949]

@@justinharris6486 Okay! And that's great news that you have come back to the Lord! That makes me rejoice - and the angels of heaven also rejoice! Actually, I know Hugh Ross personally. He is a kind and humble gentleman. He is a creationist, but not a young earth creationist. Like all creationists, he rejects Darwinian evolution, and theistic evolution, but has good reasons, both theologically and scientifically, for believing that the earth/universe is much, much older than 6,000 years. I used to be a young earth creationist, but have found that their scientific claims for a young earth are seriously flawed. That doesn't make them bad Christians for believing it, and I think they're sincere in their belief, but just mistaken in their interpretation. And it just limits their ability to reach scientists with the Gospel. I'm saddened that some (certainly not all) young earth creationists slander Hugh Ross and resort to character assassination, such as name-calling, referring to him as an evolutionist, a compromiser, a false teacher, a heretic, and other ad hominem attacks. He never attacks the character of young earth creationists, he only shows the weakness of some of their views. Hugh Ross has not only debated young earth creation scientists, but also many atheist scientists - Victor Stenger, Peter Atkins, Laurence Krauss, and others. In fact, while doing his post-doctoral research at Cal Tech, he led several of his research colleagues to Christ. I hope you'll consider the value of his ministry and be open to the possibility that he too, is doing a good work for the cause of Christ. God bless you, brother! Keep the faith! We need all the soldiers of the Cross to be armed and prepared for the battle - not against each other - but against the powers of darkness.

[@timnordin6230]

What is the literal interpretation of a spiritual word? If heaven and earth pass away but the Word does not pass away, then the Word is not about heaven and earth in a literal sense, or that Word would also pass away.

[@jockyoung4491]

I think it diminishes God to insist that he has to adhere to the precise meaning of mere human words.

[@mmaimmortals]

It literally means that this earth will literally pass away. Hasn't happened yet, but it will. It's not a dichotomy. It can have a spiritual and a literal meaning.

[@BirdieSenpai]

Robert Lewis Dabney >>> Charles Hodge. I can't recommend Dabney and James Henley Thornwell enough for those interested in fidelity to Scripture and classical Protestant theology, as well as the effect they should have on our politics.

[@hardygunsalus9897]

An old earth doesn’t contradict the Bible at all in any way. NEither option (old or young) bothers me and my faith. If it does for you then those of us like me don’t the problem.

[@Dargonhuman]

Precisely. There are scriptures that support both views, and arguing about it is letting Satan win. It's just another attack by the enemy to divide us over ultimately trivial matters when we need to be uniting and focusing our efforts on things that matter.

[@mmaimmortals]

The earth was formed to be inhabited. In the beginning God created them male and female. Here are just 2 of many contradictions to deep time and evolution.

[@calvinsmith7575]

So if all of the fossils were deposited before Adam sinned it makes no difference? So Jesus used billions of years of death, suffering and disease to create and called it very good all before Adam sinned?

[@richardtite8469]

Taking the Bible literally has so many fundamental problems. The biggest of which is the effect it has on argument. Once you make a single argument part of your reputation, you will always have a growing need to defend that argument and you will therefore turn off, in your mind, any other possibilities. The genealogy of Genisis is NOT literal, and cannot be used as a dating method. Mathematical, and historical searches will show that these numbers relate more to ancient customs and beliefs than actual numerology. There is truth in scripture, but not necessarily yours, or mine.

[@calvinsmith7575]

You mean like taking the fact of Jesus’ virgin birth, death and resurrection literally?

[@richardtite8469]

@calvinsmith7575 there is a big difference between ancient text and relatively modern ( Greek) text. Completely different contexts. You can't mix them up, using modern interpretation.

[@jockyoung4491]

@@calvinsmith7575 That's called faith. Which is great, but you need to remmber that it IS faith.

[@robinj.9329]

I never argue about "24 hour days" verses "long periods of time", simply because; to me, it makes no difference! GOD CREATED is the single most important thing! And I just don't have the advanced educational background to try and contend with these folks who have already made up their minds. "Six days" is fine for me. And, if it turns out later that these were "God's days" and not human days, well, that's fine too.

[@mirandahotspring4019]

A day is a revolution of earth as it orbits the sun. In Genesis the sun isn't "created" until day 4. So where did day 1. 2. and 3, come from? Was earth orbiting a flashlight sticking out of god's arse?

[@GoandLove]

@@mirandahotspring4019 1 day is the earth doing a full rotation from its starting point. Has nothing to do with the sun 🤷🏻‍♂️ 1 year does has something to do with the sun as that’s 1 full rotation around the sun. I am super curious what the light source was through on days 1-3! God himself? I guess no one will really know until we meet our creator, but definitely a curious thought.

[@Dargonhuman]

The entire life of a man is like a vapor of steam to God, and 1,000 years to man are just a day to God, so who are we to say how long "a week" is when God was the only living being during the Creation?

[@calvinsmith7575]

Did Jesus use billions of years of death suffering and disease to create and called it very good?

[@nancywhitehead219]

Science has to face the facts of God's Word.

[@guitarmeggedonit5232]

Since Geology is a recent scientific pursuit (early 1800's) and how often science is incorrect, and theories are disproven later on, it's amazing people would throw out the Bible of the last 2,000 years in favor of a recent pursuit.

[@therick363]

Most don’t throw out the Bible, they just don’t take a literal approach like creationism

[@davidgardner863]

, What scientific theory has been disproven?

[@jockyoung4491]

What does recent have to do with it? Recent is a good thing in science. It means we have more precise equipment and a long theoretical history to build on. The fact that you think ancient desert dwellers should be more accurate is odd.

[@klaushahn-jk8rq]

your close to brain dead keep working on it you will succeed ask GOD or JESUS

[@F0r3v3rT0m0rr0w]

@@davidgardner863 id say string theory was a great one to start with, how about evolution ... its split off into several sub genera's all with their own hypothesis Darwinism has changed to neo Darwinian so on and so forth. what the OP was saying is our scientific understanding has changed over time and what we once thought was true is now not true, throwing the baby out with the bathwater is not a logical response, which lets be honest is what most atheists do when they look at a "theory" that does not immediately co exist with the bible.

[@JohnA-bear]

As a believer in the inerrant words of the Bible, the firmament "raqia" in Hebrew means a vast solid dome created by GOD. So believing like the ancient Hebrews and the rest of the world up to about 500 years ago, I believe the earth is covered by a solid dome and above the dome is the first realm of heaven. A place where the sun, moon, and stars were placed, in the firmament of heaven. This had everyone believing the earth was flat and was central to GOD'S creation. However most Christians today laugh and firmly deny GOD'S first words spoken to us in the Bible. In the beginning GOD created the heavens and earth. Because today they believe science got it right instead. The stars were here millions of years before earth. However the Bible says the sun, moon, and stars weren't created until the fourth day. After watching this video, every Christian I see believing there is no firmament and the earth is not central to GOD'S creation, that person will remind me of Charles Hodge.

[@derekdavis3004]

Good work, Calvin. Atheists in the comments call us liars, us being the creationists. However, they do not understand that we as Christians have a moral imperative to tell the truth. Now, obviously labeling yourself a Christian does not mean you are unerringly honest. But, it follows that a man who's God says "do not bear false witness" would be more likely to be truthful. Keep up the good work. These videos are thought provoking. I feel more free to think about things amongst the creationists as naturalists are more intellectually oppressive as they readily mock anyone who questions the accepted paradigm.

[@jockyoung4491]

Calvin bears false witness. Repeatedly.

[@derekdavis3004]

@@jockyoung4491 What has he lied about? And how do I know you are not a liar? Everything he says in his videos is the truth. I mean, maybe he has gotten some things wrong but for the most part he is honest.

[@jockyoung4491]

@@derekdavis3004 He constantly misrepresents what scientists say in order to erect a strawman to attack. And of course he is lying every time he claims there is no evidence for evolution.

[@therick363]

@@derekdavis3004let’s start with something simple shall we? -have honest mature conversation -what is a scientific theory?

[@derekdavis3004]

@@therick363 Wow, I have never gotten a response quite like this. Hello there, I hope things are well with you. But back to the matter at hand. It is a explanation of natural phenomena that is in accordance with the scientific method. And the scientific method is deduction via observable, repeatable experimentation while maintaining a healthy amount of skepticism.

[@chadasonmcgraw]

This is why I believe in mature creation. God made Adam as an adult. Wouldn't it be obvious that God made the universe in its maturity? Imo, there is enough evidence to support this scientifically. Especially when you factor in catastrophic events from the Bible. The picture becomes clear and also, VERY likely.

[@burnttoast2790]

The problem is that this idea of a "mature creation" was theologically refuted centuries ago. It's literally just the Omphalos hypothesis in a new coat, and Last Thursdayism shows how ludicrous it is.

[@vladtheemailer3223]

God is a deceiver?

[@I_renounce_satan]

How the evil one has entered our schools! How gullible people became just because someone with a title developed a theory...even if it has so many assumptions!

[@jockyoung4491]

Science is not based on anybody's theory. Scientific theory is based on observable evidence.

[@I_renounce_satan]

@@jockyoung4491 People use science to make up their theories. The theory of evolution is false because life coming from non-life has NEVER been OBSERVED. What about an amoeba becoming any creature other than an amoeba? NOT OBSERVED!

[@mgxmaddguiness7066]

@@jockyoung4491God’s facts ,man is a failure to His infinite ways and understanding.

[@venomousgas3300]

@@jockyoung4491 As we have previously discussed, Ev.lution has never been observed... but you still defend it. It is not a scientific theory as per the definition.

[@sciencerules2825]

@@venomousgas3300 Every medical lab on the planet observed the evolution of the SARS-CoV-2 virus into several dozen genetically unique strains in the last four years.

[@stephenbraun8710]

For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. Roman's 3:3,4

[@enigmoxical]

I’m a Bible believer, but I’m not stupid enough to think the earth is only 6,000 years old.

[@aajc112]

A very Christ-like comment, it's clear to see the Spirit working in you.

[@jockyoung4491]

Anyone with any education in reality know the Earth is not 6000 years old. And you are right that it does not threaten faith in any way.

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Then you don’t believe in God’s Word. God is incapable of lying and you assume God’s Word is incorrect. The faith is and flesh are weak. I pray that you correct yourself. If each layer of ice is a year in Greenland, why are abandoned WW2 bombers 250 feet below the surface of the ice? Once again Man is wrong and God is correct. ✌️✌️🙏🙏

[@hannodv]

Why are you not offering any substantiation to your comment? Which points made in the video would you like to critique? A vague derogatory comment like this is what is stupid.

[@jockyoung4491]

@@sgt.grinch3299 "why are abandoned WW2 bombers 250 feet below the surface of the ice" Because ice moves. DUH.

[@jackwilmoresongs]

Old earth vs Young earth is not the hill on which Christians have to decide to die on. And if YEC Christians are suppose to be the innately more spiritually mature - I haven't seen that yet. And Christians more occupied with the old creation than the new creation in Christ can be distracted from the New Testament newness in Christ. Brethren so concerned with how things got started to a neglect of how it all ends can be neglegent of NT salvation. The book of Romans does not stop with chapter one.

[@calvinsmith7575]

Did Jesus use billions of years of death suffering and disease to create and called it very good?

[@clinton6087]

When you stop taking the Genesis account literally and start interjecting with so-called science... It's not too long before you abandon the Genesis account altogether in favor of atheism.

[@therick363]

_so called science_ Please explain and elaborate about that with specifics please. What’s atheism?

[@UnbrokenBeliever]

Except that’s not the case considering there are many evolutionary creationists who are Christians. Actually, taking Genesis literally is most likely to make someone an atheist if they are at all honest because it is so clearly wrong when taken literally.

[@jockyoung4491]

@@UnbrokenBeliever I keep trying to warn them about that. If they so insist on a literal interpretation, eventually someone is going to go thinking for themselves and find it you are wrong. What will they think about your credibility then?

[@UnbrokenBeliever]

@@jockyoung4491Yes that’s been me. I was only ever taught young earth creationism in church and homeschool curriculum and then started to do my own research only well into adulthood. It’s kind of disgusting to find out how much they misrepresented the data.

[@earthisasphere]

I know way more Christians who understand science than don't. They clearly aren't atheist. It is just YEC's for some reason who refuse to accept basic science.

[@wootenbasset8631]

I appreciate your videos. They make a lot of sense.

[@paulthompson9668]

The term "evolutionary worldview" makes no more sense than the term "gravitational worldview".

[@Shikuesi]

Lol, tell that to Michael Ruse. Or Isaac Newton for that matter

[@jockyoung4491]

@@Shikuesi Isaac Newton had no concept of evolution.There was virtually no fossil record at the time.

[@paulthompson9668]

@@Shikuesi What do you understand the term "evolutionary worldview" to mean then?

[@TearDownThisWall]

@@jockyoung4491 Still trolling Christian channels eh? Sad.

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@Shikuesi They dont matter, Evolution is already an established scientific Theory.

[@dwaynemorphet1582]

One thing I learned in my years as a metrologist. When a measurement starts with error it can be a constant error or be exponential. That's how we got from thousands to millions to billions. They are exponentially wrong.

[@jockyoung4491]

Please show these errors. There are over 40 independent methods of dating rock layres, many of which have been tested successfully against each other. The methods are accepted by virtually all scientists. You can HOPE that they are all in error, but unless you can demonstrate that, you've got nothing.

[@frankguetta9529]

You mean by assuming the bible is true first?

[@dwaynemorphet1582]

@@frankguetta9529 That is what I keep coming back to. The more I study evolution the more questions I have . The more I ask, the more intimidation I get. Intimidation is not a teacher.

[@frankguetta9529]

@@dwaynemorphet1582 Well ask your most pressing question.

[@BillG8718]

@@dwaynemorphet1582 Try asking intelligent informed questions instead of ones based on creationist disinformation.

[@PeaceIntheValley]

I believe that I can demonstrate that coal does not take millions or even thousands of years to form from plant matter. I have been digging in Beaverdam‘s for several years now and one thing is that the older they are they have layers of organic matter that is broken down and at the bottom, they have turned black and many times. I find coal in them.

[@hansdemos6510]

Misrepresenting what "uniformitarianism" means does not make for a good argument. Uniformitarianism is the assumption that the same natural laws and processes that operate in our present-day scientific observations have always operated in the universe in the past and apply everywhere in the universe. It is *_not_* the assumption that Mr. Smith erroneously claims (7:55): _"Assuming earth's geologic history was somehow completely uniform, was simply an unwarranted presupposition on Lyle's part."_ In the context of the boiling water test Mr. Smith uses in this video, Lyle would wholeheartedly agree that different mineral content and atmospheric pressure would have influenced its boiling point in the past just as it does now. That is what uniformitarianism holds. It is not what Mr. Smith holds. According to Mr. Smith, there was a time in the past that pure water at sea level might not have boiled at 100 degrees Celsius because of miracles; supernatural reasons that we cannot comprehend or test or verify, but that we must accept on faith. This is the opposite of rationality, logic, and the modern scientific method. This raises the question if Mr. Smith is misrepresenting what "uniformitarianism" is out of ignorance or out of malice. As he has been corrected on this (and many other) errors numerous times, I am afraid that the conclusion that he is trying to mislead his audience on purpose has by now become inescapable.

[@peterdavis9403]

The Flood itself is a testimony to conditions in the past NOT always having been the same. A water canopy above the earth would have affected things like Carbon 14. About 2400 years after the Flood and 2,000 years before today, Scripture said that in the last days ridiculers would say there was no Flood. (2Peter 3:3-6) Verse 8 incidentally shows a 1000 yrs is as a day and a day as 1000 yrs to God.

[@hansdemos6510]

​@@peterdavis9403 You said: _" The Flood itself is a testimony to conditions in the past NOT always having been the same."_ That sounds like circular reasoning; we don't know if the Biblical Flood happened, so you can't use it to explain conditions that must have applied for you to conclude the Flood took place. You are also not following Mr. Smith's argument. He made it clear with his water boiling example that he assumes the conditions were different, but not supernatural. After all, the mineral content of water or the atmospheric pressure are not miraculous characteristics, are they? This is in fact the real uniformitarian view, of course, not the uniformitarian strawman Mr. Smith is presenting. If you are instead assuming the conditions were supernatural, then you have simply lost the scientific argument from the get-go. You can't falsify that position, so it is unscientific no matter how you look at it. You said: _"A water canopy above the earth would have affected things like Carbon 14."_ There is no evidence of anything like a "water canopy", and there is no known mechanism that explains how it could have formed or stayed up. This is simply pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo. You said: _"About 2400 years after the Flood and 2,000 years before today, Scripture said that in the last days ridiculers would say there was no Flood."_ The writer of 2 Peter was clearly referring to the gentiles of his time. Christians have been expecting these "last days" for almost 2000 years now. Isn't that enough? You said: _"(2Peter 3:3-6) Verse 8 incidentally shows a 1000 yrs is as a day and a day as 1000 yrs to God."_ Great! Go and tell mr. Smith!

[@t3llur1de]

@@hansdemos6510 "Christians have been expecting these 'last days' for almost 2000 years now. Isn't that enough?" The last days have been the period since Jesus Christ rose from the dead and then ascended, up to and including our present era. Your citation of 2 Peter helpfully points toward this verse: "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.(3:9)"

[@hansdemos6510]

@@t3llur1de You said: _"The last days have been the period since Jesus Christ rose from the dead and then ascended, up to and including our present era."_ And they have been called that for 2000 years... Don't you think that is silly? There is no doubt that the disciples that were left after Jesus' death expected him to come back immediately. The gospel itself says that at least some of them would not die before Jesus would return. Paul certainly seems to believe that it will happen in his lifetime. And of course it didn't, so then in each and every subsequent generation of Christians, there have been people who were arrogant enough to feel that surely Jesus must come back during *_their_* life, but of course he didn't. So here you are; waiting at the altar for a groom that is not going to show. You said: _"Your citation of 2 Peter helpfully points toward this verse: "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness."_ Showing that even when 2 Peter was written, the church leaders were telling their flock "Any day now!" "Almost there!" and that they have been selling the same malarkey for 2000 years... You said: _"Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.(3:9)"_ The complete bankruptcy of this verse is evident when you realize that when it was written, the existence of the people in the Americas and Australia was completely unknown to the writer. If his God really wanted "everyone to come to repentance", then why did it have to take a millennium and a half for that message to cross the ocean? That makes no sense whatsoever.

[@GeorgeVanderkuur]

Mr.Smith’s science makes any explanation, no matter how convoluted, or obviously false, to be acceptable as long as it supports a literal interpretation of events described in his Bible.

[@johnsmit5999]

If only Jesus had spent more time with Peter to explain that there were much more than 8 souls saved out of the Flood. (I Peter 3:20) That must have been a surprise for Noah and his family when they met other people after the Flood. "Hey, who are you?"

[@calvinsmith7575]

If only you believed the Bible…

[@garyneufeld9494]

How can you have a 24 hour day if you don't have a sun?????? The sun was created on day 4

[@mirandahotspring4019]

They conveniently ignore that.

[@GoandLove]

I’m curious as well, but note that 1 day equates to the Earth rotating 1 full rotation. The Earth can do that without a sun… I am super curious about what the “light” was though day 1-3 🤔

[@johnglad5]

Read your comment, you answered it yourself.

[@mirandahotspring4019]

@@johnglad5 Doesn't explain days 1, 2, and 3.

[@AngellusStar]

@@mirandahotspring4019 We don't ignore anything, sweetie. It's you evolutionists that conveniently ignore a multitude of problems with your own religion which you falsely refer to as "science." A day is simply a 24-hour period. The sun isn't needed for that.

[@frankguetta9529]

So what caused the sedimentary layers on Mars ? Another global flood? And If so for what reason?

[@I_renounce_satan]

How the pioneers of science will laugh at the mind blowing assumptions of evolution.

[@jockyoung4491]

There are no ssumptions of evolution that have been proven false, so what's the problem?

[@I_renounce_satan]

@@jockyoung4491 Can you proof the claim of evolution that life comes from non-life? Yes that is a claim (assumption)! What about multicellular life like a frog eventually coming from a single-cell organism like an amoeba? Another assumption. Billions of years are lies. There are too many unprovable assumptions in evolution.

[@spamm0145]

@@jockyoung4491 Evolutionists claim mutations are responsible for every living organism on Earth, the reality is mutations cause genes to stop working as intended and will eventually cause fitness problems, this is the opposite of evolutions claimed accidental genetic engineering mechanism.

[@davidgardner863]

Claiming assumptions gives creationists an excuse to deny anything that doesn’t fit their belief.

[@therick363]

@@I_renounce_satan_can you proof the claim of evolution that life comes from non life?_ That’s not evolution. That’s abiogenesis. Please learn the basics first and be more respectful

[@Randy-v9x]

Blahh blah bldh...... save a whole bunch o time. Like this: The Bible is True- Just ask Jesus - Matt 5:18. & 24:35 ! Kadesh Barnea was approx 11 days from "the Promised land" - why 40 years? They disbelieved GOD! Why no more Garden of Eden? Same reason Adam an' Eve chose to doubt HIM. Quiddit! Believe GOD & live. or call HIM a liar & jump in the fire! Bur seriously - i love everything about Ken's ministry. Keep up the mission.

[@Youmanchu]

We are called to love each other and forgive those who sin against us. We are not called to pridefully demand that others agree with us.

[@myfakeguuglaccount8307]

Correct. Ultimately, people's decision to be condemned has to be left to them, and we need to stop throwing pearls to swine.

[@johnglad5]

That is one tough task that I wrestle with many times a day.

[@СергейМакеев-ж2н]

A comment right next to yours shows exactly what is wrong with that idea. You can keep telling yourself that you should love and forgive, but eventually it becomes clear to you that you're not up against *them,* you're up against *Satan* who's using them as his pawns! And you don't want to compromise with Satan, do you? ...And that's where all the love and forgiveness go out the window.

[@Youmanchu]

@@СергейМакеев-ж2н if you believe there is something “wrong with that idea” then you think Jesus was wrong. That’s not a good way of spreading the gospel…

[@СергейМакеев-ж2н]

@@Youmanchu What I'm saying is, nobody is actually capable of following that command. This is one of those cases where we "all fall short".

[@ChuckBrowntheClown]

I don’t think God when he speaks it is without form and is void. “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭2‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God: behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.” ‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭28‬:‭2‬, ‭7‬, ‭13‬-‭16‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2‬:‭1‬ ‭KJV‬‬ Gap theory. Still want to know how we are to know day and hour and year? It doesn’t matter. 12:21

[@jockyoung4491]

So when reality doesn't agree with your book, reality must be wrong. I think you should listen to Hodge again. He was making a very important point.

[@derekdavis3004]

Evolution requires billions of years. Therefore scientists had to find a dating method that would give them the date they needed. This why radiometric dating is used to determine the age of the earth and not some other method. Other methods do not give the right amount of time. It is theoretical anyways. Scientists cannot actually prove the age of the earth because it cannot be observed and it cannot be repeated. 4.5 billion is a best guess, but the scientific community will not admit as much. I don't know why exactly they do not tell people the whole truth.

[@calvinsmith7575]

No, he was bending the kneee to a fase authority...

[@jockyoung4491]

@@calvinsmith7575 He was telling you that your faith needs to reconcile with reality. And you insult him because you can 't accept that.

[@JLCProductions1976]

The problem with appealing to the “plain meaning” of the text is that it’s a relative term. “Plain” to whom? How do you know that your “plain reading” is the same as the “plain reading” of someone in the original author’s original audience? (Hint: you’re not in THAT audience.)

[@jockyoung4491]

AIG is quite sure what everybody should beleive about the "plain meaning" of just about everything.

[@calvinsmith7575]

Did you just say purple concerns yes to corks in Toledo? Or should I take your message as plainly written?

[@RednekGrylls]

During the end of his life even Darwin refuted his theory, it's quite possible he didn't get it all right and humans just kinda rolled with it.

[@UnbrokenBeliever]

No he didn’t lol.

[@therick363]

How did he refute his theory? Why is evolution still a scientific theory?

[@jimster7277]

You are lying. Darwin was a Christian and didn't recant. Galileo recanted because he was threatened with torture by the Pope. Will YEC threaten any who disagree with them.

[@jockyoung4491]

"During the end of his life even Darwin refuted his theory" Obviously not true. But we know that Darwin got several things wrong. So? Biological evolution is not dependent on anything Darwin said. Darwin is of historical interest only.

[@RednekGrylls]

Wow the basement actually crowd is strong here so let me clarify, I meant refuted parts of his theory, Micro evolution has been proven and is usually caused by environmental aspects. I myself have a deformed gene from evolution leading to SCA a neurological disorder. For the one of you who said "Why is evolution still a scientific theory" well I addressed that it seemed top fit so humans rolled with it. Too the rest prove he didn't instead of typing up a storm at me go ahead.

[@traciblack3242]

How long did Adam live before the Fall? 100 years? 1,000 years? 10,000 years?

[@alanschuetz9552]

You would know if you read the Book of Jubilees… SMH

[@calvinsmith7575]

Eve wasn’t pregnant and God had told them to be fruitful and multiply. Think it through…

[@sciencerules2825]

Once again we see Calvin chumming the water with his same old creationist lies and his same science illiterate groupies trying vainly to defend the idiocy. 🙄

[@myfakeguuglaccount8307]

And here you are defending stardust. 😏

[@therick363]

@@myfakeguuglaccount8307what about stardust?

[@j.pershing2197]

Electric can make minerals appear much much older than carbon dating or deposition or fossilization methods extract.

[@mirandahotspring4019]

What a lot of ignorant nonsense!

[@robertbeniston]

The problem here is belief verses evidence. It is also a matter of understanding the Bible and what it says. There are two main ideas about creation-the first just takes the idea that God created everything a few thousand years ago. This idea thinks of Satan falling during creation week, for example. Another idea takes in the thought that there was a gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, that is, The statement: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" is just that, a standalone statement, and the second verse is referring to an occurrence that happened later. Isaiah 45:18 says in effect that God did not create the earth in chaos [ vain]. This idea looks at Ezekiel 28: 12-19 as a historical event in the past with future prophecy regarding Satan's fate. In other words this view considers a pre Adamic world which was destroyed in a rebellion. If this idea is correct then the millions of years could be the past history of the world before Lucifers rebellion. As for the idea that death did not exist before Adam took the fruit-yes this penalty came upon Adam and humans but it only affected humans. Life and death are spiritual matters connected to righteousness and sin. The rest of the material creation, including the universe itself is not eternal Hebrews 1:10-12. That is why animals reproduce, because they have limited life spans and the creation needs to continue. If animals do not die then the earth will quickly fill up with animals. Now, what we see is evidence that the earth had a past, but then it needed a re-creation to repair the damage done by warfare at the time of Satan's rebellion. God did not create Satan-he created himself by his thoughts and actions. That is why he is already in Eden on the earth. He is a prisoner here with his demons. After the fall we humans are influenced by him. Paul said Satan is the god of this world. In my view Answers in Genesis are correct from the creation onwards but they don't take into account a pre-Adamic world.

[@calvinsmith7575]

Exodus 20:11. Or, Did Jesus use billions of years of death suffering and disease to create and called it very good?

[@hansdemos6510]

Mr. Smith's argument is simple; he doesn't want to accept scientific geology because that would interfere with his theology. I think that's fine; I think it is his right to do so. But he doesn't have the right to then turn around and start telling falsehoods in order to discredit the real science he cannot accept and replace it with pseudo-science that presupposes his theology and can therefore never be truly scientific.

[@spamm0145]

Academia and the old boys club peer review relies on research grants running into obscene amounts of money, science itself says nothing, scientists worldviews interpret the data and without the scientific consensus box being ticked the bank accounts do not swell, it really is that simple when money is involved. Those that dare to contest secular science have their careers absolutely shredded. Secular science is riddled with pseudo science, have you forgotten 2020!

[@calvinsmith7575]

Keep hurling that elephant with no real argument! : )

[@hansdemos6510]

​@@spamm0145 You said: _" Academia and the old boys club peer review relies on research grants running into obscene amounts of money,..."_ I think you will be surprised at the modest salaries even quite well-known academics get. There is a reason why the stereotypical professor wears elbow patches on his sports jacket and drives an old Volvo. If they don't write bestsellers, they are just middle class or upper middle class folks like you and me. You said: _" ... science itself says nothing, scientists worldviews interpret the data and without the scientific consensus box being ticked the bank accounts do not swell, it really is that simple when money is involved."_ You are quite dreadfully mistaken. In fact, it is quite the opposite. Staying safely in your lane will not get you into the big bucks academic leagues. You can only do that if you upset the science apple cart. Of course you need to do that properly, with evidence and math that works out, but only if you discover something new or have a radically different insight will you have any chance of winning Nobel Prizes. You said: _"Those that dare to contest secular science have their careers absolutely shredded."_ Nonsense! Look at Dr. Mary Schweitzer; she made a remarkable discovery, investigated it in accordance with the modern scientific method, and now she is the head of her own university department. I don't think you can give even one example of a scientist who had their career "shredded" for going against the consensus, provided they kept following the modern scientific and scholarly method. You said: _"Secular science is riddled with pseudo science, have you forgotten 2020!"_ Not sure what you are referring to, but I fear you are talking about some weird conspiracy myth about Covid-19... Just to head you off at the pass; even if there was something "pseudo scientific" in that story, it had nothing to do with religion.

[@hansdemos6510]

@@calvinsmith7575 You said: _"Keep hurling that elephant with no real argument!"_ I will, but I think it is a valid argument though; your religious dogma keeps you from accepting science, and it also prevents you from properly following the modern scientific and scholarly method. Now, that wouldn't be so bad, if you didn't pretend to be "scientific" anyway; that is your real and really dangerous error, and even your great sin, if I may say so, because that pretense leads you to spreading falsehoods and misrepresenting anything that you feel goes against your faith. And then feel smug about it as well.

[@HS-zk5nn]

@@calvinsmith7575 hans is a bot. copy and paste from ai

[@Creationism-is-pseudoscience]

Evolution isn't a worldview, it's a scientific theory. Geez, creationists misrepresent everything.

[@calvinsmith7575]

Evolution is a fairytale for grownups…

[@stillraven9415]

When discussing evolution, "science" means fairytale.

[@jockyoung4491]

And THAT is the harm these videos do. It btellas you to distrust science and scientists, just because you don't like what they say. That harms us all.

[@stillraven9415]

@jockyoung4491 scientists lie about millions of years!

[@derekdavis3004]

@@jockyoung4491 There is no harm in thinking. Why would you oppress this man?

[@jockyoung4491]

@@derekdavis3004 Responding to people is not oppressing them. Don't I get to think too?

[@therick363]

@@stillraven9415you have said a few bold things about science. So I have to ask-what is a scientific theory?

[@albertafarmer8638]

Get rapture ready, we are almost there!

[@UnbrokenBeliever]

The first century Christians thought so, and were wrong, so probably not. There’s no reason to think the earth won’t continue to go on with the gradual expansion of the church for a long time yet.

[@earthisasphere]

Every generation for the lat 2,000 yrs has said that...

[@albertafarmer8638]

@@earthisasphere Hi, all the signs are converging for the first time in history and Israel had to be BACK in their land. You are fulfilling Bible prophecy, look up 2 Peter 3:3. Please get rapture ready!

[@UnbrokenBeliever]

@@albertafarmer86382 Peter was written to a first century audience that was expecting the return of Jesus in their lifetime. They were starting to lose hope after failed expectations. It’s not some prophecy about 2,000 years in the future. There is nothing about “Israel has to be back in their land” for the Second Coming to happen. That is just modern dispensationalist nonsense which completely fails to understand that the Church is the true Israel of God.

[@mirandahotspring4019]

Wow! So you really believe Christianity is nothing but a death cult!

[@jockyoung4491]

Take whatever stand you want to, but the Earth will remain over 4 billion years old. And I don't know why it bothers you so much.

[@Luvtadzio]

No, it’s not.

[@Pay-It_Forward]

Because so many teachings of God are abandoned, like: females being created to please men. Stoning people for picking up sticks on the Sabbath. Having 700 wives. Slavery being okay.

[@davidgardner863]

@@Luvtadzio, Says an ancient superstitious goat herder.

[@Widdowson2020]

It should not be an either or proposition. 6000 years is not correct. However when you dig deep into how the origins of certain scientific dogma, particularly dating, it becomes clear that it is just as spurious. I would also like to add that it is ridiculous to assume that the Earth has always been the same size and position in our solar system. After all what is a “year”? Time is nothing more than a measurement of motion. We live in a dark age.

[@jockyoung4491]

@@Widdowson2020 There is ZERO scientific doubt about the age of the Earth, The Earth is over 4 billion years old. Deal with it.

[@MisguidedLogic]

From a philosophical standpoint, the concept of an old earth or evolution spanning billions of years is fundamentally flawed. The scriptures explicitly state that death entered the world through sin. Therefore, it would be inconsistent to propose a timeframe where millions or hundreds of millions of years existed, during which death originated from exposure, evolutionary errors, or predation of various kinds.

[@tims5268]

So reality is fundamentally flawed because it doesn’t match your beliefs? WOW!

[@gecko-saurus]

This is a misunderstanding, possibly deliberate, of natural death.

[@MisguidedLogic]

@@tims5268 um, no that’s not what I said. I said one was inconsistent with the other, so if one isn’t true, then the other can’t be true either.

[@tims5268]

@@MisguidedLogic why couldn’t an old earth and evolution be true and scripture false?

[@jockyoung4491]

@@MisguidedLogic There is an easy way to solve the question. Look at the scientific evidence from the real world. The Earth is over 4 billion years old. There is ZERO scientific question about that. It is up to each individual to decide how to reconcile themselves to reality - or no to do so.

[@BillG8718]

What Christians *really* need to take a stand on is opposing the constant lying by professional creationists like Calvin Smith, Ken Ham, Kent Hovind, Stephen Meyer, James Tour.

[@jockyoung4491]

Many of them do. People who can think for themselves are not part of Calvin's audience.

[@Thomas_1303]

Just ad hominem attacks.

[@jockyoung4491]

@@Thomas_1303 That's not what ad hominem means.

[@tomesplin4130]

Yes, the anti-science rhetoric does nothing to advance Christianity. It also promotes anti-science, including dangerous climate change denial

[@venomousgas3300]

@@tomesplin4130 I was with you, up until the last four words... The unbiased, unskewed and unmanipulated science does not support CC. It is a depopulation agenda. I doubt I can go into specific details on this censorship platform.

[@syedaftab4222]

Is this guy just a liar or does he genuinely believe this crazy stuff. Not sure which one is worse actually.

[@sliglusamelius8578]

The problem with calling it "crazy stuff" is that it's not provably false. I am not a young earth creationist, but you cannot prove a negative such as "a world-wide flood did not happen". In addition, geology is based on assumptions about the past. Alternative ideas can be just as possible and true.

[@jockyoung4491]

I'm pretty sure he believes it. He comes across as a true believer. The sad thing is that I know he is smart enough to understand the truth, if only he could put aside his blind spots

[@Vernon-Chitlen]

Believing non living matter became living for greater reason than tapestries and baskets could weave themselves 3.7 billion years. And have no documented, eyewitnessed account of anybody demonstrating the prebiotic chemistry required for a single protein and gene to form? 95% of the energy and matter required for your universe to exist is missing?

[@BillG8718]

Willful liar.

[@sliglusamelius8578]

@ Some data points in his favor are things like marine fossils that are on top of mountain peaks; fossils where a fish is in the act of eating another fish. Such things suggest a flood could be possible, with sudden layering of silt from a catastrophic event. We saw layering of silt after the Mount St Helens explosion, and polystrate tree stumps like we see with polystrate tree fossils. Give us your best evidence that silt did NOT suddenly cover over dead animals from a flood to create fossils.

[@LindeeLove]

Is Ken Ham a multi-millionaire? I'm trying to figure out his motivation, if he is sincere, or if this is just a schtick he is using to make money.

[@BmoreGrrrrl]

Schtick to make money.

[@jockyoung4491]

I would guess some of both. I assume he does believe the Bible, but he also recognizes an opportunity to exploit people.

[@Dargonhuman]

My biggest hangup with the young Earth/literal 24-hour Creation is that the first six days end with "and the evening and the morning were the # day" but there's never any similar closing to the seventh day, meaning we're _still living_ in the seventh day of God's rest. How can that have been a literal 24 hour day when we are still in it thousands of years later? God's account of Creation can be literal and not 24 hour days at the same time because God does not measure or perceive time the same as man - a thousand years to man is a day to God, and the entire life of a man is but a vapor of steam to God, so who are we to define what God said by our own limited understanding? Could God have created all of existence in only 144 hours? Absolutely! I won't be presumptuous enough to limit God's power like that, but why would He? Who was He trying to prove Himself to back then? The only being around to be impressed by such a feat was God Himself, so there was no reason to do so. God is eternal and patient, He has time to let the natural processes run their course while He guides them into His vision. The Creation account as written is God relating those long processes He created and shaped using analogous terminology that early man would have been able to comprehend the same way any parent would simplify complex ideas and concepts to make them understandable to a young child. Trying to tell Adam and Moses how quantum physics, gravitational forces, electromagnetism, thermodynamics and the other natural mechanics of Creation work is akin to explaining advanced mechanical engineering with technical terms to a toddler. Even with all of our modern technology and centuries of progress, we still barely understand how and why the universe works the way it does, there was no way early humans who were just figuring out agriculture and civilization would understand advanced scientific concepts and processes, so it was better for God to use metaphorical language to relate them. Instead of using terms like "accretion clouds" to explain how the Earth came to be, God said "[I] created the heaven and the earth, and the earth was without form, and void". The Spirit of God moving on the face of the waters would be God pushing the water molecules in the accretion cloud into each other to form larger bodies that would begin exerting greater gravity on the rest of the cloud in order for it to consolidate into a planet, which is exactly what happens in Genesis 1:9 "And God said, :et the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear." Sounds exactly like the gravitational attraction that started in 1:2 is condensing the accretion cloud into a solid planetary body. And so on and so forth. When God put trees in the Garden of Eden, Genesis says they were sprouted or brought forth from the ground, not planted in the earth whole, meaning they had to germinate from seed and grow to maturity. Which, again, God _could have_ done in 24 hours, but again, why would He need to rush the process? Adam hadn't been formed from the dust yet, nor were there any animals or crawling things that relied on the plants to survive, so there was no reason to not let the plants grow at their own natural pace. If anything, the young Earth model actually robs God of one of His most important defining traits - His patience. If God was so impatient that He _had_ to create everything in 144 hours, then how much more impatient would He be with us? The whole rest of the Bible proves God's long-suffering patience with us and our stubborn tendency toward unbelief and sin, so why would the creation of everything be the one exception to that patience?

[@calvinsmith7575]

So that’s your biggest issue other than if it isn’t true then Jesus used billions of years of death suffering and disease to create and called it very good all before Adam sinned if the long ages are true? Wow…

[@Dargonhuman]

@@calvinsmith7575 I'm sorry, I only speak English, not whatever garbled mess of language that is. What are you trying to say?

[@platzhirsch4275]

The truth is the Genealogy of Adam to Jesus has nothing to do with the age of the universe. "In the beginning...." isnt specified how long that took. Next thing is real science doesnt contradict scripture, God placed our earth in the milky way for us to see his majestic and mighty creation. The great and vast universe is witness of the unimaginable majesty of God and Jesus. An understanding of the Special and General Theory of Relativity opens us up to a better understanding of that universe. Some claim light reaches us instantaneously from other galaxies, but that's only true from the viewpoint of the photons that travel at the speed of light. Our perspective is still independent from that and to us speed still travels at the normal speed we have calculated described as C, meaning we perceive light from distant Galaxies that a 1 million light years away to take 1 million years to reach us. So: the universe must be very old. We can infere that too from exploding stars 🌟 on earth only visible as a static event, a picture, we don't see the actual motion which is because relative to us these stars are so far away that we don't see the motion involved- a great contradiction of the hypothesis as if light reached us instantaneously we would see the motion of each explosion on real time!!!!! Why doesn't ken Ham know this? I don't know but but he is obviously not understanding the topic well enough....does Ken Ham understand the "Einstein Cross"? Its a practical proof of the general theory of relativity as light gets bend around huge galaxy clusters so that we see the back of such clusters enlarged. Light bends around these clusters and enlarges the back of it as a lense. Also multiple images of a galaxy behind it shows light is bend around galaxy clusters. Thats a huge proof that these galaxies are millions of light years away, there is no way around that and its perfectly harmonic with scripture and Genesis when we humble ourselves to understand that we are like children to God and so the Genesis account is not a scientific account but a more poetic account to give us stupid humans an idea of went on in those days. God often uses a figurative account to explain things to us. We need to humble ourselves to understand that, only our pride leads us to assume Genesis is 100% literal. Just check the 6th day, could Adam really do all that in literal 24 hours? "In the beginning" can therefore mean many things and yes Jesus later refers to the same 6 days of creation but how wouldn't he, afterall hes using the same symbolism he inspired moses to write down earlier. Amen

[@porscheguy19]

I once again clicked on one of your videos hoping to hear something about the "deep time" that we can observe - cosmological deep time; but was again disappointed. Admittedly, I didn't watch the whole thing, but it didn't seem like you spoke about it as I skimmed through. My apologies if I am mistaken. But deep cosmological time cannot be adequately waved away with an offhand comment about "creation with the appearance of age". I don't know any young earth creationists who are also astronomers.

[@jockyoung4491]

Calvin has no argument against deep time except for his faith that it can't be true.

[@dcsblessedbees]

👍

[@TexasGrandma2010]

Aren’t we told there was no death of any kind until after Adam and Eve sinned? If so, there is no evolution of any kind. It would be adaptation.

[@jockyoung4491]

That is what Calvin would say, but obviously he is wrong. All those fossilized creatures are definitely not still alive.

[@AlanWolf-d7l]

Yup yet Amos 1 Zeph 2 "GAZZA" etc

[@ericmatthews7264]

If Christians would have kept the memorial of creation (the seventh day sabbath, Saturday not Sunday) then maybe we’d still all accept Creation. The sabbath is a memorial of God’s creation and redemption. When God finished His 6 days of creation He rested and spent that time with Adam. When Christ finished his work of redemption on the cross, Friday afternoon, he rested in the tomb on Sabbath, Saturday. And we can enter into his rest of creation and redemption by keeping His seventh day sabbath holy in communion with Him.

[@UnbrokenBeliever]

Except that ordinance was nailed to the cross and no longer applies

[@HuFlungDung2]

The crucifixion was on Wednesday afternoon. There were special Sabbath high days, one being the Passover, that were not tied to the weekly cycle. Jesus himself said He would be in hell for 3 days and 3 nights ( sign of the prophet Jonah) and there is no way that happens from Friday afternoon to Sunday morning. He died in the afternoon so He must have risen in the afternoon, that's how 3 days and 3 nights works out. He was already risen by Sunday morning ( but nowhere does it say He arose on Sunday). So nearly all of Christendom has embraced a lie. I'm with you on observing the Sabbath, though. It makes sense that the first creation was finished just before the onset of the Sabbath, even as Christ said on the cross ,"It is finished" speaking of the plan of redemption.

[@ericmatthews7264]

@@UnbrokenBeliever Those ordinances to which you speak were the handwriting of ordinances that Moses put down by hand (the various yearly sabbath/holy days) the Ten Commandments were written by the finger of God. You don’t honestly believe all Ten Commandments written by the finger of God were done away with, do you? Only two things were given to man in Eden before the fall: marriage and the seventh day Sabbath. Both equally binding and both under attack within and without Christendom.

[@jeremiahdiaz6231]

Actually, there are multiple places in the NT where it says that observing a sabbath day is a matter of conscience.

[@ericmatthews7264]

@@jeremiahdiaz6231 but God was explicit about THE Sabbath day. There were many “sabbath” days (ie holy days of rest throughout the year). But there was only one day God sanctified, set aside and made holy. Why would God get rid of just one of His commandments? There remaineth therefore a rest for the people of God. And why would God get rid of something He started before sin? If Jesus rested after creating the world, if Jesus’ custom was to keep the Sabbath when he walked this earth and if he even kept the Sabbath after he was crucified why would he get rid of it now? So I don’t understand when Christians argue about believing in the 6 days of literal creation when they leave out the only day God actually sanctified and made holy, the Seventh day of creation. So instead of breaking the commandments of God in order to keep the traditions of man, and then try to convince people of the truth of creation. How about we get back to honoring the God of creation on the day He made holy after He created all things?

[@soldtobediers]

''When the solution is simple god is answering.'' ~Albert Einstein Just as sure as the chicken or the egg sequence of God's order... ''Why ? God Came First'' The Creator came 1st. The Creator's rooster came 2nd. The Creator's hen came 3rd. For: did she not have to be laid before all 3 entity's eggs ever could ? Therefore: doesn't every living thing & it's seed Comes from & returns back into god's Ever Changing Dirt ? Yet: in between those 2 times are they not fashioned by... His Will, His Light, & His Life Giving Waters ? ~Just another one of many one's of... ''We His Believer's'' Who's patiently waiting & watching for '.' His✝Just⚖Return🪃'.' Just stood up & said that. May our 3:16 conversations about Him in the book of John... Be found so mirrored upon the 3:16 scroll of remembrance in Malachi. Reckon as reckon might well reckon then... I'd just stood up & said that too !

[@therick363]

Unfortunately personal quotes don’t make facts of reality

[@jockyoung4491]

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." - H. L. Mencken

[@soldtobediers]

@@jockyoung4491 You mean like the Liberal's following confirmed past 4 year dream ? On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. H. L. Mencken

[@therick363]

@@soldtobediersso you added a whole bunch more….so? Doesn’t make a god real

[@soldtobediers]

@@therick363 ''Nope? Just a little ''Factually Spiritual Ammo & Armor'' for the Believer's of which I'd stood up & spoken.

[@nolotrippen2970]

I think Thomas Huxley should more correctly be called "Satan's bulldog."

[@frankguetta9529]

You’re suggesting Darwin was Satan?

[@jockyoung4491]

Because anybody you disagree with should be insulted, right?

[@jockyoung4491]

You know, science did not stop in the 19th century. Claiming Darwin and Lyell as the last words in science is just stupid.

[@calvinsmith7575]

Saying that is what I did is…

[@jockyoung4491]

@@calvinsmith7575 Then why do you keep bringing them up? Darwin and Lyell are of historical interest only. Few people have even read them, and NOBODY believes anything just because they said so. Nothing they said is part of the modern science of evolution or geology. .

[@hansdemos6510]

If you set up an experiment showing the rate of precipitation of carbonates (for example) from water, and you get the same slow rate each and every time, and if you observe in nature that layers of carbonates precipitate under specific conditions that need to persist for a longer period of time in tranquil waters, then why would you conclude that there was ever a violent flood in which carbonates precipitated in unimaginable quantities in an instant? That is unscientific and illogical.

[@christhezane]

Oh, yes! The great mysthycizing of Genesis. No wonder, Christians ought to know exactly who is behind it. Read John 5:46-47 again and you'd know why this has happened.

[@TinusPheiffer]

Your statement that Jesus believed in the old testament cannot be further from the truth. Jesus pointed out numerous times that the old testament are wrong. The old testament said 'an eye for an eye' but Jesus said no 'turn the other cheek' The old testament talks about many profits taken up unto heaven, but Jesus said that no one from Adam to John the Baptist are bigger than John, but the smallest in heaven are bigger. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see that Jesus are saying that nobody went through into heaven and that there were never a path but only now the kingdom of heaven are breaking a path through. When Aaron and Moses's sisters complained about Moses to God, God said that he speaks face to face with Moses, but Jesus said no one but the Son have seen the Father. When the woman said to Jesus that Jacob used to pray to God there, Jesus said that they don't know what they are praying to but there comes a time when the Spirit in truth will be prayed to. Clearly Jesus said that nobody up to that time have prayed to the true Father, which means everyone on earth have been worshipping the Beast in Revelation 13 since the beginning of this world. That fire that the beast brings down from heaven sounds pretty much like the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

[@Widdowson2020]

It is because Jesus was originally an Essene and that group was older than old and had a different concept of the Divine based on spiritual experience.

[@EarthlyArt777]

Jesus implying the old testament was "wrong" as you say, was to take us out from underneath the law and allow grace to reign. It's not that the events recorded were a lie or that they were parables, it's that the Law placed on man by these events was no longer necessary, because of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

[@TomSanders-mi2bg]

Clueless...hard to believe someone doesnt believe the evidence

[@bryanbulmer6716]

Poor bulldogs don't deserve this, 😁.

[@joenichols1953]

Wow. It sounds a lot like you want people to believe your reading of the scriptures, which you call the only valid biblical account. So, all the rest of us faithful Christians are to take your word for it? Really? 2 Timothy 2:15 says differently. Paul also said when we are taught something to test it, make sure it's accurate. Can't do that if I just believe what I'm told. I do have a different view of the flood. Yet it is only through the intense study of the scriptures do I see it a bit different. Science has nothing to do with my view at all. I hate evolution and all it stands for. I think a better stand would be to call for lazy Christians who do not study the scriptures and blindly agree with every wind of doctrine to get seriously involved with their bibles. God gave us all the ability and the tools needed to do good exegesis. One more thing. Even though we may see it differently I would never judge my brethren in Christ for having a difference of opinion, as debate is good and healthy and helps us challenge, maybe even persuade one another, which is the way the church should grow. May the Lord richly bless all you do and say!!

[@coffeenebula1]

This is the worst piece of conflation and false dichotomies I've ever heard. So many words meant to confuse. A horrid bit of half thought. A horrid bit of babble

[@xavierdavis871]

This type of babbling will continue for a while, won't it?

[@arlindodossantos2305]

Yet here we are making an issue of the literal seven days of creation( which I believe). Yet we cannot agree that God blessed The Seventh day and made it Holy, despite over and over calling it His Holy day, even writing it twice with His own hand on tablets of stone. Even when Jesus says Verily verily ... we should listen carefully... we make the teaching of man ...and make void the Commandment of God.

[@UnbrokenBeliever]

Just remember that the same people who incessantly talk about “objective morality” believe that God commanded massive amounts of inc*st twice over based on their literalist interpretation of Genesis. Brilliant, just brilliant.

[@johnglad5]

Sigh. It was OK to marry anyone in the beginning. I believe it was after the Flood God commanded not to marry close relatives. The Fall degraded our genome and this would cause abnormalities. Blessings

[@UnbrokenBeliever]

@@johnglad5Those are all just assumptions on your part, and doesn’t change the fact that it is inc*st. There is absolutely zero evidence to suggest, either Biblically or scientifically, that “the fall degraded our genome”. God didn’t command not to marry relatives until after the Exodus, about 3,000 years after the fall in the Young Earth Creation model, and he only commanded one small people group. Also, if laws about morals change, you are admitting that there is not an objective moral standard even in the fundamentalist view. We know from genetics that there was never more than a bottleneck of about 2,000 to 10,000 individuals in the Homo Sapiens species.

[@avishevin1976]

Incest isn’t immoral even today. Better to question god’s morality with respect to slavery, genocide or rape.

[@jamgill9054]

Why go back hundreds of years to pull a quote to support your position? This is a period when doubt was profound as it should have been. Yet as we learn more, those doubts were replaced with acceptance and new questions which has led us to today. If you're going to discuss 'settled science', do it with the science of today. The story of the flood is a retelling from the story of Gilgamesh and never happened. Answer this, how could Noah, if he existed, know the flood was global? He couldn't. AIG takes you further away from God for money.

[@frankguetta9529]

Two versions of Gilgamesh woven together.

[@thomasmartinscott]

God created Adam a FULL GROWN MAN! Why wouldn't everything that "requires time" also be created FULLY FORMED? Man can make diamonds in "DAYS" where they used to claim that "so much Time" was REQUIRED. They've been doing it for decades. Yet they continue to insist that this, that and the other HAS to be "OLD". Such hypocracy!

[@mirandahotspring4019]

What ignorant nonsense

[@44hawk28]

I believe that the scripture says what it means. And means what it says. But when the English version of the text says something almost completely different than the Hebrew text. You have to make allowances. Nowhere in the scriptures does it say that God made the Earth in 6 24-hour time periods. It just doesn't say that. It certainly doesn't even say that Adam was the first man it says the hot damn was made first there were people already here when the Garden of Eden was created and Adam was taken there and then he was created there were already people on the Earth. Considering we have a God that doesn't live in what we consider a dimension of time. You cannot limit God the Father to a time frame!

[@mutantthegreat7963]

I had no idea a donkey spoke.

[@KrisMaertens]

They used to,snakes too...but they stopped going to school...

[@mikehill1114]

I lool forward to yout published paper where you win thr Nobel Prize and tuen the science world on its head. Or wait, maybe the people (including many Christians) who study this stuff for a living know something you are lying to yhe audience about.

[@TEARIKITAVAI]

GOT NO TIME TO PROVE WHO JESUSND IS AND I KNOW JESUS IS COMING SOON ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE