"Apostates are DECEITFUL!" - Ken Flodin morning worship video - Cedars' vlog no. 125

In this video I give my thoughts on comments made by Governing Body helper Ken Flodin in his morning worship video "Beware of Deceit." Flodin uses an anecdote of a sister writing with a question about a 1910 Watchtower article to make the argument that those who walk away from Jehovah's Witnesses are deceitful. But on closer inspection, the article he refers to demonstrates perfectly why many find they can longer follow Watchtower.
Links:
Download the 1910 Watchtower bound volume:
www.a2z.org/wtarchive/docs/191...
Lies and misquotes JWfacts article:
www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/mis...
Articles about Rama Singh misquote:
taze.co/2015/01/17/rama-singh-...
jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/watch...
jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/jw-or...
www.patheos.com/blogs/friendly...
www.inquisitr.com/1766536/biol...
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[@gmsgadsson]

The news paper didn't see the radio coming, the radio didn't see the t.v. coming, and the governing body didn't see the Internet, or KZbin coming.

[@barbarahedges1791]

and they are putting fear in their people to get off the internet except for their web site and turn off the TV if anything comes on about JW's. It is Satan trying to kill them by getting them out of the organization they believe.

[@danseabreeze1404]

Sounds like a REALLY bad car accident : l

[@jeannieyerigan9425]

+ Dennis Hagans...... " if they have the truth of Jesus on their side then they have nothing to fear from other people, radio, tv, and the internet." Exactly ! Real Truth can stand up against scrutiny and the real truth doesn't change !!!

[@traceysankar-charleau4003]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@marciathehooligan3861]

@@jeannieyerigan9425 exactly right 🙌

[@Photoshoplilli]

I was raised in the JW religion and in the last few days I've been watching many of your videos. I have been a non-believer for a long time since I started my higher education, but learning about the extent of the lies and deceit of the WT org is just blowing my mind. I can't believe how much time I wasted while I was dragged to meetings. Thanks for the hard work.

[@nildagomez1216]

I feel the same. Been out for so long but after finally not feeling scared of watching these videos I am in shock as to all the lying. Im feeling angry that I was lied to and tricked, to such incredible extents, for so many years. What a waste of the best years of my life.

[@unclesalty7778]

Nilda Gomez Your not Alone sister !! 27yrs in ----- out this past April ...

[@ForHireGeek]

@@unclesalty7778 - I am at about 23 years. I honestly do not even remember the month anymore. I just remember the year. Back when we got out there was no support group waiting to help, at least for me. I was lucky enough that a friend of mine had been out for a couple of years before so I at least had one person to reach out to. I feel bad for the people who were literally out there all alone, left to cope and not being prepared in the least bit. Not to mention being saddled with a mountain of guilt on top of being alone. Now these people have a means to connect with a network of people who can help and relate to what they are going through.

[@unclesalty7778]

Jim If you don’t mind me asking, why did you leave and what year?

[@ForHireGeek]

@@unclesalty7778 - But was basically inactive for a couple of years, but in 1997 I engaged in some unapproved activities with a woman (who later became my wife).

[@daviddaniel2198]

Unbelievable I cannot believe that I let these crusty old men control my thinking process.

[@charleslomanto]

Me neither.

[@danseabreeze1404]

"Crusty", LOL!

[@clairenollet2389]

I let crusty old men in the Vatican control my thinking processes, too, so don't feel bad.

[@charlenewatkins9126]

Claire Nollet Me too,before my JW stint.

[@writinginmyhead]

But none of this matters because they'll say, "The light keeps getting brighter." 🙄

[@janedoe8446]

Watch the KZbin video: Debunking "increasing light" in less than 8 minutes! - Cedars' vlog no. 2

[@professorkaos2781]

and none of the JW's seem to be aware of how much the organization mimics the Seventh Day Adventist church that they split away from in the late 1800's. Even the term "new light" was first used in Seventh day doctrine.

[@Alltheshiny.reneeowens]

you mean the light showing how very much in darkness they are?

[@chrisdurant4627]

Its getting a lot brighter, wow repent, please,

[@writinginmyhead]

@@chrisdurant4627 I can't tell if you are being facetious or serious, but if you're serious, why did you even come here? Don't lie to yourself. You're sensing things aren't quite right within the organization, aren't you?

[@johnfreeman8445]

devious ?? who is paying lawers to prevent UK charity commision getting information about the child abuse in the organisation ..who says on jw .org "we do not shunn close family" yet in wt study a daughter is "loyal " by refusing to speak to her mother..who missquotes differing sources in books and mags.. my gran always had a saying "the pot calling the kettle black" ..

[@johnfreeman8445]

+Biblical Truth thank you for your comments...im not convinced by your comment.but have dicussed it with three elders who gave me a similar answer..however i am aware that other churches have publicly addmited they have the same problem but are cooperating with the aythorities. it still seems WT is in denial.even when i spoke to elders i was given only limited answers and felt they did not wish to discuss it..nothing is ever mentioned at meetings or on webbsite. most jws are in denial and will not even consider the ARC . as long as the GB keep in denial as far as im concerned i have no faith in them..what we need to see is some humility and concern for the victims and those wrongley DFS for speaking out.....it will have to be made public.

[@jimbobaggans1564]

They speak from both sides of their mouth.

[@t-streetmusicstudio6749]

Come on John! Once again you took them apart in a very articulate manor. They are getting so worried due to the truth they have been hiding and them being a bunch or hypocrites. Well done fella. Keep it coming.

[@caelmcintosh143]

I don't see how any JW can watch this with an actual willingness to listen, and not immediately wake up.

[@barbarahedges1791]

They are mind controlled to think it is Satan pulling them away from the WT and they will die a horrible death at Armageddon. They fear it.

[@jimbobaggans1564]

They choose not to see it. It's right in their face and still they deny seeing it. They play dumb. I don't know anything about that. Or, I've never heard of that. Yet, they, KNOW! They all KNOW!

[@anniezaragoza6260]

When I used to be a JW if I ever came across these kinds of videos I would immediately turn them off or dismiss what I heard because according to what JW publications said, entertaining even the slightest of this type of content was "wrong" and would undoubtedly lead me "astray". I felt guilty about watching anything and never wanted to ask because that in itself was bad because it proved that I was watching or listening to what apostates said. I wish I had listened sooner though, and I hope that JWs who come across this channel and view this content take it for what it is, factual information intended to enlighten and expose the truth about Watchtower really is, a disgusting sham and way to keep its followers controlled and their money donated to it.

[@Mewithabeard]

@@anniezaragoza6260 Same. "Apostate" material terrified me til I left the wittnesses

[@danseabreeze1404]

That's exactly why they forbid them to watch these type of videos. Of course they don't say it directly, they make them feel guilty and tell them they'll be destroyed by the Armageddon first.

[@drkside76]

LOL, I love how he asks "You ever notice that (uh...) apostates generally do not try to reason from the scriptures?" To which I would respond, "Why reason specifically from the scriptures? Why not just reason in general?" What kind of philosophical, ideological or faith-based debate could an individual hope to have against a person or group that/who insists all arguments, knowledge and scopes of consideration stay central to their beliefs, accepted resources and personal comfort-zones/mental laziness?

[@00calimon]

Donald King, My thoughts exactly. And it’s classic circular logic. Self-referencing self-validating their bible as the only truth. And it’s a frustratingly false logic but powerful in trapping minds.

[@iambeing4328]

It is extremely disheartening to see how many leave the organization and decide not to question EVERYTHING.... Hey! Maybe the bible is not to be taken literally AT ALL!

[@alyssawoodman]

I was POMI for a long time...years in fact. Then went back. Finally saw it for what it is. Their looping mind control is another level.

[@aaronparker1713]

Don't get stressed out getting videos together....we will wait and not leave you. Take care of yourself first.

[@KudukUngol]

Ditto! :)

[@summertimesunshine2444]

Boy the cult leaders are getting worried about their bread and butter.

[@scotwm1789]

All cults have exclusive teachings that members are required to believe -- no matter how asinine these teachings might be. Among many other teachings, Jehovah’s Witnesses must believe the following: Christ returned invisibly in 1914 and in 1919 selected a small group of Bible students who lived near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania to be his exclusive, visible earthly organization. There are only 144 thousand who have the heavenly hope; seven members of this elite class comprise the faithful slave, known as the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses, and this slave must be given unquestioned obedience. Blood transfusions must be refused even if doing so causes the death of many children, mothers and fathers. Unbelieving family members must be shunned. Fortunately, many Watchtower cult members are starting to wake up.

[@kristinburton4138]

Amen is just Amun-Ra the sun god. Creepy word indeed.

[@hansjuergenkohlhaas871]

Period. Example: quote "if the GB says 'Jump!' I'll jump - high up" Says Samuel Herd: Jump to your conclusion" unquote. Maybe he said "Don't jump...."

[@hansjuergenkohlhaas871]

@scot gardner ...

[@PhilshiDelisi]

+Biblical Truth Nice job yo!! You're absolutely right, sheep follow. You follow. That is your weakness. You will gladly follow WTS, who don't care about you. They cover up lies of false prophecy and child abuse. It's truly a shame. I hope you wake up one day seriously before you're too old and it's too late.

[@Thunderwing69]

Did you notice the last comment from Flodin was "now let's get some positive reinforcement from the bible " not "Lets see what the bible says about this " . Positive reinforcement is a subtle cult trait. Very disturbing.

[@tanyadepoalo9085]

Acid Karen I noticed that too!

[@southernsal3113]

Honestly, I did know jw was this bad.

[@Steve-oy5cu]

I also wrote to Professor Singh when this whole situation came up, he was pretty mad about it all. I just had to hear what he had to say about it, lol.

[@dianacryder7523]

It's relatively simple. What JWs are saying is: 'Read the Bible but don't worry your pretty little head about what it means. We'll *tell* you what it means and OUR word is from God.' The deception of Watchtower is astounding! It reminds me of "the disgusting thing that causes desolation standing where it ought not."

[@tanyadepoalo9085]

Diana Cryder Exactly!

[@jimbobaggans1564]

But don't forget we are not infallible or inspired. But we get all information from Jehovah. We know all, because we are Jehovah's faithful and discreet slave. Ok. So which is it? You tell me.

[@tanyadepoalo9085]

Jim Sherlock Right...Gee whiz! I didn't know Jehovah was so imperfect!

[@officerfarva3666]

My father literally believes that even non JWs back in the day agree with the JW version of things... I think not. I don't know where he gets that from... Oh yeah the GB and their propaganda films.

[@jeanwaysome3532]

@@tanyadepoalo9085 yesss, but they're the TRUTH!!!

[@joemotionink4307]

Whats good my brotha!? Im from Detroit. Just want to say I appreciate all that ur doing. Thank you!!!!!!

[@theway-hadarekh3571]

I was a JW since infancy. You could say i was "born in the truth". At age 14 i was told i would be trained to be a ministerial servant by age 17, an elder by age 21 and a CO at age 30. None of this materialized except the MS part which i turned down thrice before i thought i was finally gonna accept it. The main reason why i never accepted the appointment was looking at how they treated the sheep, basically as "thier cattle" and for ignoring bible principles when it came to congregational matters + worship, they chose instead to pay heed to society's policy everytime. It became very clear to me that their god was watchtower and not Yahweh. I threatened to write to HQ and report them for thier wrong doing if they didnt stop, you see i loved god more than them. Then jealous and fearful elders ganged up on me framing me for demon meditation and collaborating with the government to harm the brotherhood. I was disfellowshipped while taking the "stand" in detention. Yahweh saved me out of there with his mighty right hand and before i got out , they told the congregation i had renounced my faith and joined the military. I never served national service btw. I wished i had left that house of demons (JW.org) at a much younger age though. My whole family in the truth were told lies and ordered not to speak a word to me. They obeyed like docile sheep of course but there were some friends inside who disobeyed, found out what happened to me and left. I hope to be able to tell my story on one of your videos to save many thousands of young ones and abused sheep worldwide who were brainwashed into thinking they are serving god when in effect they are serving a group of men in new york. The hypocrisy, manipulation and wickedness is so profound that 9 yrs after the incident, i still get calls from ex congregation members informing me that the elders recently asked if I contacted them. they went as far as offering me reinstatement in exchange for my written agreement to never disclose what happened to me in detention barracks. That is how steep they are in thier wrongdoing and wickedness. It will overtake them very soon and leave the "harlot" naked and desolated when judgement day comes. Leave, run, never return if you have and get the right chance and timing. Get out of her my people, says yahweh, if you do not want to share in thier sins. Our god yahweh will sustain you if you trust in him and make him your rock. Please get out of the disgusting thing formed by the greatest apostate that ever walked the earth: CT Russell and his spawn. They have made an idol and golden calf for themselves by thier exclusive devotion to JW.org and its non-bible based rules and regulations. Think for yourself, wake up and remain loyal to god and never to men! God gave us intelligence and something animals do not have, common sense so use it :D To Freedommmmmmmmmmmm. "So we say with confidence, the lord is my helper, i shall not be afraid. What can men do to me?" Hebrews 13:6. Love Miap (Singapore)

[@dellythezar8047]

The wicked man gets their power from people who fear them,,you did a right thing to get out from them, they use family as a wespon , but not very efective anymore, since many are leave the organization more and more,

[@jessiehermit9503]

Christianity is *_also_* a cult.

[@paulcantrell7900]

Fantastic, thank you so much for your hard work and dedication. It is so very much appreciated by myself and undoubtedly many thousands of others.

[@annetteblack6882]

Another fantastic video Lloyd! The WTBS will continue to resort to name calling and degradation of Apostates. They feel extremely threatened because we ARE making headway, JW's are waking up everyday to who the real "deceivers" are... Thanks again for all your activism and hard work...

[@friedgreentomatoes542]

JW's taught back in the 80's to not call police, if, when beaten or being molested! fact. we were taught to call elders, in fact it was a disfellowshipping offence, if the police were called. so happy I'm out of it many years now. thank-you for posting this video! thank-you for taking my comment :) Willow-Sage a proud X jw

[@elcilantrillo2487]

I even remember when I was a kid in the 90s because I was an avid reader of the books and magazines

[@elcilantrillo2487]

@Deb Harris exactly

[@ShoNuffSoulBro1]

Instead of bravely, honestly facing an issue, It was more important to save face, to maintain an image of sanctity and wholesome purity. Similar to the Catholic organization, it was 'don't get the authorities involved so as to not cast a negative light on the organization / to not bring reproach on Jehovah'.

[@gbnomore3918]

@@adrianthomas2196 Where are those things written back 36 and 28 years ago?

[@Chomper750]

@@adrianthomas2196 You can't search the Shepherding the Flock book on the JW website.

[@truthseeker-jwnightmares4351]

Wow Lloyd... this video is so powerful, such a concise and objective approach. Thank you!

[@boyamIhappy]

I am amazed and very impressed by all your hard work and research. You uncover things I could never find, simply because I don't have the resources. I had an extensive library of old WT publications, but after I was disfellowshiped I burned the lot. I didn't want anything in my home that had any connection with that evil cult. Now, I regret burning many of those old publications because they are a great source of evidence against the Watchtower. Thank goodness for the internet! It's our greatest resource for finding more evidence. I use the word " evidence" purposely because the WT is guilty of grave crimes against millions of innocent victims. How many would be alive today if they hadn't been misled and lied to by the Watchtower over the blood issue? How many died because they refused organ transplants? How many went through life without marrying because they believed the lies about the "end". How many couples died childless for the same lies? How many families are broken because of the unChristian, cruel lies and misapplied scriptures of the Watchtower on shunning? The list of accusations could go on and on. And the Watchtower Society is guilty as charged your honor! Thanks again for another excellent video!

[@jwsuicides8095]

SO much work must go into your vids. They are really helpful. Thank you. Hope the arm heals soon and all the best for the book.

[@amb163]

Thank you for your continued committment to the research and debunking of JW Broadcasting videos.

[@alp3942]

Great job. I particularly liked the bit about the scientist getting very cross with the Watchtower for deliberately misquoting him! Talk about hypocritical, lol

[@katb945]

Excellent research Cedars!!

[@tillivorloper4395]

Regarding the mentioned awake article: The out-of-context quote is still present in other languages like German.

[@southernsal3113]

And even now still?

[@thrivingexjw2061]

This is so interesting.. Thank you so much for your videos !! Hope your arm heals quickly ! 🏈

[@blindmansbluff]

@cedars. Really great work mate. Sorry to hear about your accident. Sending you healing vibes. I will buy your book when it's finished. I imagine many will. The Watchtower cult is an extremely frustrating joke. Your work in exposing the shameful history, practices and teachings of it is appreciated.

[@olmeckrav]

"The Watchtower cult is extremely frustrating" You nail it!

[@blindmansbluff]

+Kema Katsin My brother is an elder. I recently sent him a letter, quoting inky from the Watchtowers own publications, proving without room for doubt that God does not direct this organisation. He ignored every but of proof on the basis of the fact that I referred to the 'great tribulation bunker series of videos'.. instead of calling them 'Convention drama'. Very frustrating. I wish I could break through his brainwashing. Evil cult.

[@yukio32]

your FBI warning is the best i have ever seen

[@alexanderwilson8990]

This is actually my first public comment on one of your blogs and let me say that I like your videos a lot and agree wholeheartedly with most things you say. This video was no exception. Bravo on exposing watchtower for being the very thing they condemn. I hope the arm gets better soon and I look forward to the next rebuttal of JW broadcasting.

[@RandomPerson-js3rc]

That statement of" even if you read the bible for a thousand years....," is such a sales pitch!!!😂 And so the mind control begins.

[@grhomer2454]

Thank you for inform the public from the deception of the watchtower

[@joehinojosa8314]

That's one way to win an argument everytime. Just CALL your opponent, "Apostate"! You don't even need Evidence to prove your right!

[@RandomPerson-js3rc]

Found some of these old books while cleaning out my garage. 😁

[@audreyst-louis5741]

I can barely even watch him! He’s making me so angry! I’m currently reading Crisis of Conscience, just starting chapter 3 and Ray Franz has already quoted scripture many times. Videos of ex JWs trying to wake up current JWs, use scripture to show how wrong they are. This guy is a flat out liar!!

[@karinesmith164]

very happy to read all comment s,the awakening is huge,thank god the "light is getting brighter" on this satanic cult

[@majalindfors3791]

Hi John! Thank you so much for the great video;) I wish that you or your wife could make videos like this but in Hrvatski;) thinking about my family who can’t understand English. Video in Hvatski would be so much helpful, maby for waking up my family;))) Greetings from Sweden 🇸🇪

[@LloydEvans]

She isn't really an activist I'm afraid, and my Croatian is terrible! It's a shame because I would love to do more for Croatian speakers. :/

[@croptriangle7253]

As always, very informative and reasonable revelations about the WTBTS. So many outstanding and excellent observations, including the painstaking, in depth comparisons of 1891 and 1907 WTBTS publications of the [supposedly] same books. Interesting how JW Rep, Ken Flodin accused "apostates" (people who have not necessarily left worship of the TRUE God, but left the JW Borg) of being deceitful, when his arguments only use adjectives [name calling] to prove his reasoning of contempt, when ironically, the so called "apostates" [like John Cedars] actually use the WTBTS's own literature to show the inconsistencies and contradictions, as well as the obvious observations of critical thinking that no one at JW "Bethel" ever use. Thank you John!

[@greg27zz]

I remember being shocked by the misquotes and deceit in the Trinity brochure.

[@anicklabbe877]

Lloyd, thank you for your research. You are a wonderful human being and Im forever grateful that I came upon your work. I wish I could show my Dad (elder who im shunned by). I have been binge watching your videos and I cant wait for your book. Thank you from me in Canada.

[@chicknpi]

Ihave read the Bible for decades without it being clear and have found that increasing my knowledge of history, geneaologies, geography, ancient texts, other religions, various Christian deonminations, etc. has helped me immensely to make my belief in God and words inspired by him clear. Nothing written by men can be taken at face value. We need aids for guidance. Sometimes though just sitting in the sun, on a pile of dirt, digging crystals all day, the wonderful feeling of hot and cold running water in your home or the smell of the first Hyacinth in spring will bring you just as much joy and blessing from our creator.

[@Jbeliski]

Damn good video. You may run Watchtower but you can't hide.

[@dontbeculty2117]

Devious???? lmao! I can't even. *heavy sigh* I'm so tired of this friggin' cult I could scream.

[@achildwhoknew3751]

Right?! Name calling - it's such a lame attempt at a defense.

[@markusbrauns4274]

I totally understand. My nephew, an exjw, like myself, said he knows a JW pedophile who lives in his town. If I knew who this Ahole was, I would punish him myself.

[@lachicarivers51demilo52]

John thank you again for all the research you continually share. I have been following your videos for almost a year and I give you the most credit for helping me truly wake up from WT's deliberate deceit along with Ray Franz. It came with great pain in recognizing my lost years of my life dedicated in sincere servitude to WT. But as we all say, better late than never. Please continue John with this tremendously important work you are doing in helping countless JW's who are waking up, fading and finally bolting from this hurtful, shameful WT Organization disguised as the channel of "Truth." It doesn't go unrecognized that you have a family and responsibilities of your daily life that makes your work such a sacrifice. I am filled with gratitude. I know you don't believe in scripture, but I will consider you as my brother anyway as I leave WT. Thank you again all the way from San Francisco, Ca. Bravo!!

[@Martinj1417]

Great job Lloyd! We hope you get better. From the Haugh family in Pennsylvania!

[@MelissaBrownapt215]

Thank you for doing so much work. I simply don't ha e the resources nor the keen eye to catch these inconsistencies. I know more people have discovered your channel, among a few others, since this #125 was initially published. And it gives me relief that apostates, as we are called, are being heard day and night around the world. You have WT on the ropes and in defense posture. Bravo. Long Live John Cedars.

[@BethfromFertilization]

I love the way you share, your so truthful & therapeutic ☺️

[@MrBenniem]

I love your clear view on the organization and the layer of falsehood that covers the real truth of he bible.As for me.... it gives us a even greater responsabiliy because we have more insight.I do not blame you for your critzism. I pose my critizism the same way as clear as you do.As long as Jehovah has shut their eyes, we bare a great responsability.Keep on the good work and keep your eye on the goal.Excuse me for my pour english because I haven't the oportunity to speak it as a dutchman.Greatings and my blessing.Ben Nail from Holland

[@tiffanyanderson7094]

I am in total awe. Completely astonished by how phenomenal this video is. I only woke up not even 3 weeks ago, and I was still feeling some confusion. However there is nobody in their right mind who would continue on in this organization after watching all the facts you have laid out here. It always bothered me that the jw online library doesn't have access to the older publications but now it's very obvious why. Everything here is so heavily researched and well put together, I would have never been able to find these detailed facts on my own....I love your other video about your judicial meeting and your father's email. I'm curious if there's any person, even just one from your family who have seen any of the information you've posted here and woken up? I was a 4th generation jw, my two children would have been 5th (thank goodness I've woken up while they're still little). But my entire family is devoted to this organization and their lies. The whole time I'm watching this all I can think of is how in the world can I get my family to watch this?! Do you have any tips in this regard?

[@LloydEvans]

It might be difficult to get them to watch something like this if they're very indoctrinated. You could try showing them material about another cult (Leah Remini's aftermath series, or Louis Theroux's Westboro Baptist Church documentaries) and see if any of it resonates with them. Good luck! :)

[@tiffanyanderson7094]

@@LloydEvans I will try that, thank you!

[@bruderk4257]

@@tiffanyanderson7094 How did things go, how are you by now ?

[@slamtheleft]

Love you, man! Please keep churning out your vids. I keep forgetting to click thumbs up.

[@vivianvivian886]

Thank you for all your hard work to help me come out of that mind control place. Now I can spend time with the kids that love me and will be with my grandkids. Ty!!

[@Cholovstam]

I wish you a rapid recovery. Grasyas!

[@kriticalthinka]

ironically they operate like the vatican

[@exploremoreoutdoors9443]

Yes, something i realized after leaving. they scream about the Catholic church and its false doctrines, yet, have a century of false doctrines. they scream about the church claiming to be Gods channel on earth, and how arrogant that is, and they do the same thing. they scream about having men, priests, and the pope, over the christian congregations, and, theyd o exactly the same thing with the governing body.. it s a bizarre delusion over there. VERY strong.. they are literally the very thing they claim is evil

[@kriticalthinka]

+Explore More Outdoors they lack humility in key areas

[@marshamcghie8407]

Does the Vatican tell people to shun former Catholics

[@exploremoreoutdoors9443]

Marsha McGhie they do.. but the shunning they do is not"dont talk to them, treat them as dead, if they are in the room , dont look them in the eye. children parents family cannot talk to each other".. totally different.

[@0816M3RC]

Marsha McGhie They do shield pedophiles though.

[@joel474]

As a child growing up in the org. i always wondered why they never used the meetings to go over apostate allegations in the open. They couldn't they d be exposed as they have been by the internet.

[@jimbobaggans1564]

I remember asking about that. I was told that they didn't do that, to save the disfellowshiped one any embarrassment and to prevent rumors. I knew that wasn't the real reason. Of course the rumors flew but only in hushed tones, while driving home. To save them any embarrassment? That was a joke. It was to try and keep people under control. To just accept what was done and not talk openly about it.

[@varomueinjimo9710]

You are awesome. Thank you for all yr time spent researching. Keep up the good work.

[@krissykatportal]

😂😂😂😂😂Steven Lett what a character! I think he's a reptilian

[@johnyenglish7970]

Thanks, appreciate your hard work.

[@figure32a]

Thank you for doing this videos John

[@andrewshanks8737]

terrific video. Thanks John

[@proud2bpagan]

anyone who tells you not to think...is never your friend.

[@krissi_sue4861]

Fantastic video like always. Get well soon. I'm looking forward for your future videos.

[@zengalileo]

Nice catch! I didnt know about those early changes either.

[@Frederick85]

Excellent video Lloyd, can't wait to read your book

[@twinstar9]

Brilliant and concise logic. I appreciate your efforts very much.

[@marinadance66]

Thank you for sharing! Well done.

[@bertrandtesla8880]

Excellent work Lloyd. Look forward to your book.

[@HJockers66]

Well done Loyd cheers for the thorough rebuttal as well as going through the trouble so soon after the JW release and your personal accident. Keep up the good work.

[@jonminnella2168]

im tierd of all this

[@DeniseHedberg66]

Exactly! Be a fool and blame the Apostates! Of course!

[@victorjehovahthewicked4491]

They never did it because they are always deceiving the members, once you start deceiving can not stop deceiving

[@DeniseHedberg66]

+Victor Jehovah the wicked Try convincing a Witness they are being lied to! UGH!

[@victorjehovahthewicked4491]

Right

[@DeniseHedberg66]

+Si mon Haven't given up! I'm still there. Trying every day! Congratulations on your freedom!

[@GalaxiaStars]

asdhvas the Elders REALLY think they can assume someone's gender based on how they write their handwriting? I can't even!

[@apparentlyadoryphore6470]

I love this.

[@onesunnyday5699]

Ken Flodin is the scariest of the WT. He reminds me of all the grumpy, hateful elders I've met over the years.

[@barrygibbons2803]

Wt are the enemy of Christ in this world.

[@terrydelonas3128]

Wow! Nicely done. Ken looked a bit panicked to be addressing this subject. Perhaps the online evidence is getting to them. Wonder how they drew straws to decide who had to do this talk.

[@elcilantrillo2487]

Lol

[@vincentferrer2788]

GOD ,BLESS YOU .DEAR. YOUVARE VERY NICE .THANK FOR GIVING US MORE LIGHT

[@marsaspen-murray3797]

In fact, the subtext of the "omitted" sentences is that the quoted scripture constitutes sufficient Bible for a Christian's needs. It's quite remarkable that that section is used to defend their use of the Bible. Edit: Having watched further through the video this is made explicit...

[@beachmom2001]

Sorry you hurt yourself playing football! Another great video. I learned so much! Thank you. I may have an old bound volume or two to send to you. I look forward to your videos and your book!

[@matthew.datcher]

Interesting. The organization just quote mined itself. Is that a new low?

[@johnnylavery5512]

I knew Ken personally when i was a Wallkill berhelite in the 80's. It takes a lot of boot licking to become a "GB helper." In fact I know several in this class, all yes men who are going to be fall guys when the shit his the legal fan.

[@jerkhovathehut8342]

"If you dont read 12 pages a day of studies in the scriptures (written by Charles Craze Russell) then you are going to be in the dark" in other words-Read our publications or die!! Thanks for putting this together Lloyd.

[@holirumicsfriend]

Really good details and research!

[@roxycat3692]

I wish you a speedy recovery!

[@particle777]

Lloyd, hope you get better soon!

[@deborahmattern5660]

They have changed that scripture somewhat in Jude..Many JW's acknowledge JESUS is their Saviour..But the original text speaks of God the Father and JESUS as being ONE...OUR SAVIOUR...

[@jacquelynward511]

So sorry to hear that you broke your arm . Wishing you well and enjoyed your video.

[@gayeestey7246]

This is awesome.

[@thorn9351]

If you are to obey the slave, are you a slave of the Slave? You'd be less than the Slave in order to be subordinate to the Slave. What's less than a slave? A robot? Robots of the Slave.

[@Ontheroad13]

Love your videos. You inspired me to make my own channel.

[@barrygibbons2803]

he nearly choked on those words because they apply to him and all the wt leaders.

[@shooting3km]

This idea that Charles taz Russell's books are the Light and reading the WORD OF GOD causes spiritual darkness this puts him in the place of the one true God . Jehovah's witnesses till this day still believe that the watchtower bible and tract society is the authority even above the bible

[@Israel2.3.2]

What is the witness stance on reading Studies in the Scriptures and other old publications? Is it frowned upon? It's been awhile since I've been a witness so I've forgotten.

[@nixonpresley2111]

Great point at 4:40 im a believer in God , and i think you nailed it

[@Steve-oy5cu]

Notice how he had to go back to a magazine from 1910 to prove a point - no one has access to this apart from us of course - so no-one will bother checking it..Why couldn't he find a recent example, hmmmm I wonder why !! he he.

[@nixonpresley2111]

Also in their books they remove pictures of brothers who got in trouble,disfellowshipped, they will actually remove humans from their publications ! Imagine how that would destroy a brother or sister ! Man i would get on alcohol or anti depressants too

[@huskergirl2929]

Where did you get that Nebraska shirt from lol!!! Thats where I'm from anyways thank you so much for this I'm so scared deep down watching your videos but I know I need to...bc I'm disfellowshipped and being called apostate now from family members and it's making me so sad and depressed thank you for your vlogs

[@darlenepatrick4619]

Erica, don't be afraid. Just get a real Bible (KJV) read and pray. God will be with you through this if you are sincere,have faith and most of all, believe. That's what true faith is. It'll be hard w/o family but you'll find others who will be supportive of you. Check out Les Feldick who is a Bible study teacher and Pastor Charles Lawson who preaches on end times prophecy. God bless.

[@aghasttoadgaming2187]

In a time not so long ago, overtly, publicly accusing someone of lying like this would have been met with a rapier. As it stands, somebody ought to sue for slander and/or libel.

[@rodneygalbraith4793]

Keep going John your doing a good service.

[@carolacarola2058]

hello, I'm french and need to have subtitles in english or better in french of your videos . Do you think it can be possible ?

[@Garciaformica]

Hi, Lloyd! I've been watching many of your videos recently and you're doing a great job: congratulations! I was curious about the Rama Singh misquote and I've checked that, at least, the RTF version of the magazine wasn't corrected, so the misquote is still there.

[@apocfaildotorg]

It’s unbelievable that 8 million people are this gullible and could watch this but still remain a member

[@Vicki_Benji]

They are such liars. They are just bleeding members, and panicking.