Apple Maps vs. Google Maps For Electric Car Routing

[@iMaxPatten]

Some points for clarity: Apple Maps EV routing is very limited to vehicle selection and only works in CarPlay for either Porsche Taycan or Mustang Mach-E as far as I’m aware - there’s no other BEVs that support it yet. You don’t tell it which car you drive because it detects it automatically if it’s one of the supported vehicles. Very Apple. Google Maps in this video is running on my Polestar, not my phone, and the phone app version absolutely doesn’t have EV routing. I don’t believe Android Auto supports a]this either but it may in future to match Apple Maps and CarPlay. You need a car with android automotive OS like my polestar, a modern Volvo, or a new GM product.

[@trinitonv8]

Here in Europe i just set my payment filter to Tesla SC and Ionity.A roadtrip with the Polestar2 is a walk in the park.

[@ChaosTennisClub]

Sounds great. Does that setting stay for the next trip as well?

[@jacobdurant9127]

I have iOS 17 Beta and a Mach-E that is also in the Early Access Program. So far Carplay EV routing has been phenomenal. Also hi from Denver!

[@manumunich4809]

that's very interesting!! do you think you could share a video of it with me? does not have to have any comment or anything, just how it works and what it can do?

[@ChristopherFerguson]

I'd be really interested in waze routing. They recently added charging stations and information too.

[@AlergicToSnow]

Waze is a battery killer

[@ab-tf5fl]

I really dislike the tight integration of EV route planning with specific vehicle models, to the point where if you drive any other car, or even try to plan trips outside the car's screen, you get essentially no support. It should really work like ABRP, where you can plan a trip for any car from any client, but with the sleekness and ease of the Google Maps/Apple Maps UI, in contrast to the ABRP UI, which I find buggy and cumbersome. Another pet peeve of mind with EV route planners in general is that they always assume that all charging is fast charging and behave as though level 1 and level 2 don't even exist. Which is fine if you're cannonballing, but there's a whole class of road trips out there for which this type of planning simply doesn't work. For example, I recently completed a 650-mile road trip that involved overnight charges on level 1 at a vacation home in a rural area that's a DC fast-charging desert. None of the route planner tools could handle the concept of overnight charges on L1 at a house that isn't even listed in their database as a charger, so I ended up planning all of the energy management aspects of the trip myself via Excel spreadsheet. In the year 2023, nobody should have to resort to planning charging through Excel spreadsheets. All of the route planning tools, including ABRP, really need to up their game.

[@UnnDunn]

EV Route Planners can’t really be evaluated properly unless you use them on an actual long road trip. How does it respond on the fly if traffic changes, or charger availability changes? Does it account for charging time when it plans routes? When you get to a chargers, does it tell you how long you need to be there or how high to charge? I used Apple Maps on a road trip with Mustang Mach-E last year, and it was serviceable, but as you demonstrated, it doesn’t give a whole lot of detail, and it really freaks out if you deviate from the plan in any way.

[@skullyrt]

I routinely use Google Maps in AAOS on my C40 when going from VA to PA/NJ and back again. It accounts for and adjusts accordingly to unplanned stops or detours. It also gives you a how long / what percentage to charge to at stops. I've seen XYZ number of chargers available when looking at details on stops but can't say that I've ever checked for their accuracy or where the data is coming from (API calls to EA?).

[@mfurmyr]

It looks like Ford has a better screen. Polestar is dark and shows all the dust. As a stills- and video photographer for 50 years, that is details that get my attention.

[@nichols1969]

I wish I could do charge planning in Android Auto in the Mach-e.

[@thenetworkarchitectchannel]

I consider the GoM in the Google system to be best in class. We have it in both our Volvo XC40 Recharge & our Cadillac Lyriq. It rarely fluctuates during travel. It does the math very well, IMHO.

[@jimmurphy5355]

Tesla's built in route planner now takes into account wind and temperature when planning. And of course it "knows" the degradation (if any) of the battery. Do either Apple or Google take those details into account? Do either of them know enough about the car's properties to suggest lower speeds (and how much lower) if you need to slow down to reach the next charger (if, for example you are running into a significant headwind?)

[@outofspecguide]

Neither makes speed suggestions but they both use battery monitoring live from the car so they adjust to conditions. Google Maps requires the car to be deeply integrated and be running Android Automotive - it’s not a “bolt on” app. Apple Maps in CarPlay is more complicated and we don’t know yet how it will fully work in iOS 17.

[@barryw9473]

Too bad so few cars can use either one thanks to lack of live data. ABRP has put a lot of effort into supporting multiple ways of getting live data. I use ABRP for my e-Golf and it works pretty well.

[@robert5008]

Hey Max a very interesting video. You might want to consider making it a series on your channel. Maybe like a Hog Back style test with criteria to meet to get points. Questions like live updates to stations, do they reroute, traffic updates or selections of speed of chargers or networks to use. This testing can also test just basic OEMs route planning too. Since you have access to Tesla I would include as a base what is the standard until they are dethroned . I liked the use of the fixed address like a airport for the testing. Please wipe down your screens before filming too, the dust was harsh in your car's test. You have the potential with a standardized testing to help the EV industry as Kyle did with Hog Back & Rate Your Charge and do I dare say TFL with their trailer towing test up the mountain. Just some food for thought.

[@highland-oldgit]

Watched the Polestar road trip video too. We need ABRP V Google maps review.

[@Longsnowsm]

How does Waze and ABRP compare? Thanks for the glimpse into Auto and Carplay.

[@MrTekniqs]

Google bought Waze so I’d think similarly.

[@UnnDunn]

Waze doesn’t do proper EV route planning yet. ABRP is great at planning routes, but falls apart as soon as you get on the road to actually drive the route,

[@colinsullivan8416]

I couldn’t tell from the demo whether either app is actually taking the current SOC when planning the route or whether the route would dynamically update based on actual observed efficiency throughout the journey.

[@skullyrt]

Google Maps built into AAOS on the Polestar (and Volvo equivalents) does. I can't speak to Apple/CarPlay integrations.

[@iMaxPatten]

Apple Maps models it as long as it is connected to the car - so yes it updates live

[@stevenichols4639]

@@iMaxPattencan Apple Maps on iPhone do any charge planning or only using Apple Maps through car play?

[@iMaxPatten]

@@stevenichols4639 it has to be connected to a compatible vehicle through CarPlay

[@highland-oldgit]

Can you set the battery levels like charge to 80% and arrive at chargers/destination with 10% for example.

[@Reddylion]

Nice vid.

[@dancrane2]

I would be very curious about improvements in ios17 beta car play

[@benwinslow3101]

Any idea when Google or Apple will roll out to other cars? I use Google maps to navigate all the time (niro ev and ioniq 5), but there is no ev route planning from my phone. I can search for chargers along my route which is nice, but its not route planning.

[@calvinsung6161]

Did you compare planning on your phone at home/hotel? More functionality on the iphone with your current SOC factored in and more detail at each stop before taking off. Does Google even allow for ev planning on the app?

[@dfwinspear]

Yes, Google does allow for EV planning on the app.

[@TuomasLeone]

Does Google maps actually show station status? This was mentioned but I don't see this actually clarified in the video.

[@outofspecguide]

It does on android automotive (in cars, not in app) - this may be worth a video clarifying the differences

[@frankw3123]

This dude just said he prefers carplay bc it gives him more info even though I just watched Google giving more info. I don't understand. There is also android auto which is different from android automotive

[@highland-oldgit]

He says 'So that's the Google Maps system, looks like it's doing a decent job. I think I prefer it to Carplay' .

[@dpsingh6421]

How are you telling Apple CarPlay that you are driving an EV?

[@TheTriumfAnt]

Does this help? kzbin.info/www/bejne/rX_bnGyqqqxnoKc

[@outofspecguide]

It only works when connected to specific vehicles mentioned in the video. iOS 17 will add more to this process

[@dpsingh6421]

@@outofspecguide Thanks for the clarification.

[@undrachvrsage]

TFTC

Tesla car play works the best