Apple: What were you thinking!?!?!?

[@loudryka]

iPad pros all need to come with Cellular for that price. $+200 for cellular is insane

[@chidorirasenganz]

Nah

[@VarunSrinivas]

and you can't even call on the speakerphone atleast. auto hotspot is a thing we all know works really well.

[@TheTechOrc]

Why would you not use a Hotspot instead? I've not purchased a cellular iPad unless my carrier is providing a deal.

[@VarunSrinivas]

@@TheTechOrc exactly

[@loudryka]

@@TheTechOrc are use an android pixel eight pro. It’s just annoying to always have to remember to turn on your hotspot and then it drain your battery. Just so much more convenient to have it there all the time.

[@chepulis]

Every presentation is more robotic than the last. "we couldn't be more excited" read in the least excited voice imaginable

[@vitalis]

exactly my thought

[@TheGagesharp]

I’m happy I wasn’t the only one thinking that. He seemed very bored to be doing the presentation

[@lbgstzockt8493]

"Good morning. -_-"

[@knightgorp]

I was not in front of the screen at the very beginning of the event and I was thinking from the kitchen that they made an AI generated event because the voice sounds like ……………

[@jackofalltrades.]

Agreed!

[@Halloweenguy101]

this event basically killed the iPad. you now need a chart to decide which keyboard and pencil you need to get for your iPad… it’s so dumb. i miss the days of like 3 iPads and one apple pencil

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

I'm only concerned about the Apple Pencil change, even that isn't a huge deal to me. It is annoying for folks upgrading that need to buy a new Pencil too - if they use it. Keyboards are basically model specific anyway - even third party. Sucks you can reuse those either since those are more expensive than a Pencil.

[@fohx]

Alot of their product range is like this now. I literally had to do this for the new iPads 🙃

[@ytuser1985]

There are millions of people like me who just need a fking iPad mini with OLED display to watch media on the go. A device that is portable enough to carry around, light enough to hold for long hours and an amazing display to watch Netflix. Phones are too small for watching videos, the mini is just perfect. Why is Apple not catering to this category?

[@RabianskiT]

Because iPad Mini won’t fit in your pocket like a phone… and if you want something bigger then just get the 11 inch. That’s how most people feel.

[@ytuser1985]

@@RabianskiT The 11 inch iPad is quite heavy to hold, especially when you lie on your bed and watch videos holding the tablet in your hands. I have both the tabs mini and regular iPad and this is my experience.

[@RabianskiT]

@@ytuser1985 The newest 11 inch iPad Pro is very light…

[@RabianskiT]

@@ytuser1985 I get it though, you really like iPad Mini. However, Apple looks at the sales and sees it as a NICHE product. Do you remember what happened with iPhone Mini? 😅

[@richjames2540]

@@RabianskiT I have an iPad mini which fits easily in the pocket in my cargo shorts. Buying a 13" Pro as I want to use it on long flights instead of my MBP's.

9:38 that's where Apple wins. They can pull whatever bad move they feel like it and people are still gonna buy it.

[@roslishirlinshoots5846]

Bruh…he is a tech youtuber

[@TechnologyNToys]

“Thinnest Apple product ever made” false, the Apple sticker I get in the box of my iPhone is the thinnest

[@chidorirasenganz]

That’s an accessory 😅

[@just-a-bajan6643]

Lol. Good one.

[@mcmh9523]

Yet they still kept the hideous camera bump

[@DavidA20200]

My Apple Card is thinner

[@ryboi1337]

​@chidorirasenganz accessories are still products 😂

[@dpgwalter]

It's crazy how Apple's extremely clean product family became so bloated. Multiple generations of iPads in multiple overlapping product lines with a random set of processors mixed and matched between generations, 4 Apple Pencils and even the MacBook has a bunch of hidden spec variation depending on what version you get. Having to spend time double checking whether different CURRENTLY SOLD products are compatible with each other goes wildly against Apple's "it just works" philosophy. The iPad is a wasted product line that's held back by its OS, the A12z from 2018's is _still_ overpowered for everything the device can do. I hope someone makes a competent tablet soon because Apple has gotten incredibly lazy with theirs.

[@DuBstep115]

Most confusing is that Ipad mini costs more than Ipad. It looks like Apple is trying to eliminate base Ipad alltogether leaving only Mini with mobile processor, then Air and Pro just like Macbook

[@mukunddhar6657]

I use the 2018 iPad pro while travelling for work. i have never had any complaints and no reason to upgrade because nothing after it released felt better. i just use a third party keyboard with it and while typing can be a bit of a hassle, its taken over my current laptop as an alternative device to work on. They really need to overhaul the os which I’m guessing they will never do because the sales of the MacBook will take a serious hit. Otherwise, like you said, whats the point of having an M1 or higher if you cant use the full potential of it.

[@techinrl9869]

Why do you say the OS is holding it back? Apps make people productive, not the OS. The OS is merely there to host apps, which it does quite well. Nobody is made productive dragging files around.

[@diverman1023]

@@techinrl9869I completely disagree with your statement. ipadOS is very restrictive compared to macOS despite the ipad having the same internals as a macbook air. I would want to dock the ipad and add a keyboard so i can program, use the terminal, download what i want..etc and not be restricted to apps i get on iphone save for a few exceptions

[@danielsc9049]

​@@techinrl9869 Its holding it back because you cant run macOS apps or have to run cut down versions of it.

[@MrJmanrey]

The iPad Pro 2018 is like the GTX 1080 ti. It was just too good and set the bar too high.

[@LaughOutLiberty]

To illustrate just how legendary the 1080 ti is, it's being mentioned in a video about iPad.

[@marcsheep]

I agree 🙋🏻‍♂️ (writing from my 2018 iPad Pro)

[@jaredweiman2987]

I still bought the 4090 and didn't regret it though. If people can, they will.

[@Just_a_random_birb]

IPAD pro 2018 design is timeless.

[@Bren-tech]

The 2018 was so good it killed the iPad

[@donttrustgoogle5963]

I've given up on Apple.... keeping my 2012 Macbook Pro and my old 2018 iPad Air until they die or explode. Apple can bite me. Done.

[@MrOscar5690]

😂 contradiction aren’t ya? “Done with apple” but you’re still gonna keep using apple lol😂

[@coy9898]

So disappointing, Apple can’t think most people care about how thin it is. Their storage prices are also ridiculous

[@longchampe]

What’s hilarious is that it’s not even 1mm thinner than the prior iPad Pro. Like what a pointless thing to boast about

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

@@longchampe nobody cares about that, what is of utmost importance on an iPad is the weight and 100g less is no joke. this is why

[@longchampe]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl the larger iPad is way too big for me but I was extremely impressed when I saw the 100g weight drop

[@supereldian]

Apple: "We'll [happily] recycle your old Apple Pencil and Magic Keyboard for free. :)"

[@jonevansauthor]

*coughs* legally required to do so in most countries *coughs*

[@SenileOtaku]

For my daughter's iPad I bought her some aftermarket "Apple Pen" for $20, and it works perfectly fine. (and the fun part was when I wrapped it for Christmas. Along with the Apple Pen, I included a ballpoint pen and a pineapple-shaped luggage tag in the same package. Figure out the reference...)

[@JohnSmith-op7ls]

You mean sell it as a refurb

[@alanpearly]

They should have enabled 2nd gen pencil on the new iPad Pros

[@tiagomaqz]

Rich people actually do this.

[@lazarostelidis]

For reference, on the European market the bigger iPad Pro full spec with pencil and keyboard costs 3600€ . With that price, I can literally buy a used car.

[@britneyfreek]

i bought a used, good car for 500€.

[@nikikxz9494]

Does this car have tandem Oled with 1TB Storage??

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

Last time I bought a used car for that kind of money was 25 years ago.

[@ebisuminoru]

or 10 ladas for that iPad Pro

[@johnnyvvlog]

And starting at €1220 for just the 11inch without any accessories. The prices are just insane and little to no one will want to spend this kind of money on a tablet.

[@synen]

Either next iPad OS is completely revolutionary or you are better off with a Macbook Air.

[@SilentSzZ]

Yep, that’s exactly where I’m at. I’m really hoping iPad OS can match the power of these things but I’m not getting my hopes up.

[@synen]

@@SilentSzZ Notice iPAD releases before iPad OS, suspicious AF.

[@anurag.tensordev4032]

I don’t think they will sabotage mac lineup. Base iPad Air is only thing worth in this year lineup

[@niceone1456]

You can have both

[@DuBstep115]

@@anurag.tensordev4032 I mean they kinda did slap Ipad pro in between the macbook air and macbook pro In Finland 13" M2 air is 1249€ and 13" ipad pro is 1579€ 14" macbook pro is 2069€

[@Tony-xf8dx]

I think making the old pencil/keyboard incompatible with the new ipads has more to do with preventing new ipad owners from buying used peripherals

[@Sapious1]

Couldn't agree more. Price is excessive, I don't care what chip they decide to use or how thin it is...

[@gavin1215]

You could get a nice spac’ed MacBook Pro for that iPad. The lower price 10th gen was more exciting.

[@lukemiani]

Yep! Could even get a used 14" MacBook Pro for less than a 13 inch iPad

[@PeterbFree]

@@lukemianiYou do understand that no reference monitor manufacturer makes an OLED screen as yet for a REASON? Poor color accuracy and no white balance

[@entezami777]

between new iPad pro and a new MacBook air. I would go for the MacBook air

[@definingslawek4731]

@@PeterbFree Oleds do not have poor colour accuracy. I'm a professional filmmaker and personally use a 4k 120hz 10 bit (NATIVE not simulated with frc) OLED 42 inch display as my primary monitor. This display is very common amongst post production houses. Also that's not true at all, Sony sells an oled reference monitor. It's like $37000. You're wrong on every front.

[@pieman192]

What if you don’t want a laptop or pc 😊

[@SpaceCaptainLord]

I actually just sold my iPad Pro M2 for a refurbished M1 Pro MacBook Pro 16 in and have 0 regrets. Don't get me wrong, I loved my iPad, but man it just felt so restricted with iPad os. I won't going back to an iPad anytime soon.

[@digitalUID]

Same here. iPadOS is the reason I won’t buy one of these.

[@Y-J65]

Apple should have looked at Samsung dex and given more of a desktop experience when connected to the Magic Keyboard. I have the m1 iPad Pro 12.9 and honestly just use it for my kids doing their homework, playing Roblox or media consumption. This device is wayyy overpriced for the average end user who isn’t a video editor or a digital artist.

[@henson2k]

I have both MBP and iPad, they are for different tasks.

[@fractalarbitrage]

And macos can use ios apps!

[@_Meme_lord_1]

​@@Y-J65why buy an iPad if you want PC experience though. The power is clearly advocated to artist and animators for 3d rendering and animation

[@yodaisgod2]

I'm not overwhelmed or underwhelmed. Just whelmed.

[@Treborray]

Hahaha

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

iPad Air is pretty compelling - basically just a cheaper version of last gen Pro with a few tweaks. Not sure about the OLED on the iPad Pro, need to see it in person before making a call on that, but it needs to be darn impressive to justify the price hike. Using the M4 probably means they won't be refreshing it anytime soon - my guess is at least 2 years. Certainly overpowered for anything today, might be more useful after a few OS and app updates.

[@hillstones]

The dumbest thing about the iPad Air? It is now heavier than the iPad Pro. The entire point of the Air was that it was lighter and slimmer than the regular iPad. Now it is heavier and thicker. Oh, and it also has a two year old CPU.

[@Kevin-mx4vm]

That's coz you're not a genius that uses apple products

[@Gurenn83]

​@@Kevin-mx4vmTim Cook's burner account spotted 😆

[@manart6506]

I thought the point was not being as expensive as pro versions.

[@manart6506]

The old cpu is what used to be the pro versions cpu.

[@dasbapoh]

@@manart6506 well it is in the name. Ipad AIR

[@RyanMercer]

"More than most people's rent"... My mortgage is just shy of 1k USD...

[@Mr35000000]

Any M1 & M2 iPad owners should not waste their money.

[@jayh40515]

Can say the same if you own a 9 or 10 gen basic Ipad also.

[@Tconl]

I partly agree but will “upgrade nonetheless. I use it every single day and on top of that ill get (way) more storage this time, yea yea the nonupgradabilty got me…

[@MasterKilokk]

Most people with a pro from 2018 and on probably won't need to upgrade.

[@klwatklwat5098]

As long as my2018 Pro can take the new IOS then I am good

[@r.lr.l]

@@Tconl You can just buy a refurbished ipad with more storage for less money.

[@8820Shane]

I would’ve been completely fine with the same thickness with a bigger battery.

[@lukemiani]

Agreed I would have much preferred battery gains

[@chidorirasenganz]

Nah extra battery isn’t needed

[@adamburke4738]

@@chidorirasenganz it’s an iPad aimed at professionals. It is needed.

[@mcmh9523]

Especially if it didn't have the camera bump

[@chidorirasenganz]

@@adamburke4738 Not at all. Professional doesn’t equal battery life. It means useful to professionals. People complained about the thickness and weight when combined with the Magic Keyboard. So now the device is more portable and already lasts an entire day

[@the_wiki9408]

iPad Air got the best upgrades. The base is now 128GB, which is actually usable. Before it was a crippling 64GB, which meant almost everyone needed to pay for the upgrade. So it's probably cheaper for most people. You get the M2 chip, which is more power than 99.5% of us can actually make use of on a tablet OS. And now there is the 13" model so artists, students and musicians can have some screen area at a reasonable price.

[@MasterKilokk]

The only thing keeping me from buying an air is the lack of promotion display. I'm spoiled by the higher refresh rate lol

[@r.lr.l]

Tbh as an ipad air user the only thing I really want is pro motion my a14 ipad air never has problems with speed or storage but damn do i wish i had that 120hz

[@m-stat9]

wonder why they havent boasted about that 128GB increase. Very good to read :) I feared it was still 64GB!

[@jonevansauthor]

Translation: It is now cheaper for them to make 128Gb of RAM than keep making 64Gb models. Still no SD card slot so still a bit of a joke.

[@dennisvanmierlo]

Wow, stop the presses. 128GB!? Well, now I'm sold... not

[@贾炳锐]

About the Apple Pencil compatibility: it is probably due to the new landscape camera layout and they have to change the magnets/charging mechanism.

[@bobprice6274]

Yes

[@dpptd30]

8GB of Ram for a $1300 13inch iPad with a binned M4, and $1900 just to be able to get 16GB and 1TB of storage that no iPad users need, all without including the price of the pencil and the keyboard; brilliant Apple, absolutely amazing.

[@Gurenn83]

Just like the upgrades of the iphones, macbooks, mini's. Typical Apple time and again.

[@manart6506]

My current iPad is 512GB and it is always full so I have to move things out… and with a more powerful iPad I would create more files with more resolution and heavier files.

[@Mooooooof]

Hmmm. WWDC really needs to bring a big update to iPadOS to take advantage of this hardware. All these improvements over the M1 seem weak to me where it’s hard to unlock the power.

[@chidorirasenganz]

It’s pretty easy if do creative tasks or game

[@digitalUID]

It’s still merely a doodling device that’s built like a powerful laptop. iPadOS is the reason I won’t buy another one.

[@GNz11R3dSh1ft]

And the thing is, those who are professional will mostly be looking at the MacBook Pro’s for their power and full array of desktop apps. It’s all good having an iPad with the M4. But that doesn’t mean using Z-Brush is going to be any less clunky with iPadOS capabilities, photoshop is still missing a load of features that the desktop/mac versions have and gaming really isn’t an issue. Mirage will still play at 30fps, Genshin will still be the benchmark which kills your iPad in 1.5 hours and things like procreate will still be absolutely amazing on every iPad with the new 11/12.9 inch design. The iPad Air 13” is coming too late, but is arguably the real star of the show, it will mean the biggest demographic of iPad users (students and casual users) can have a 13” iPad without needing to pay for power they will literally never use, until recently I worked in an Apple Store here in the UK, and out of the hundreds of iPads I sold each year only about 5% were for pro users looking for the best. Most people I met looking for an iPad were either students or older people who only went for the pro because it had a large screen for ease of use/procreate and note taking and not for the power inside. The iPad Pro will never be pro without a major overhaul of IPadOS, unfortunately that won’t happen because then it will be a direct competitor for the Mac lineup and Apple want them to be two distinctive devices. Hardware wise with the new aluminium Magic Keyboard and 13” inch size, the Pro is just a worse battery life touchscreen 13” MacBook without MacOS or a calculator…

[@chidorirasenganz]

@@GNz11R3dSh1ft just depends on the professional. Nomad and Valance are two 3d programs that in many ways eat z brush and blender’s lunch. Procreate Dreams is arguably the best 2d animation software out atm. Let alone the Affinity suite and Darkroom. For music you have logic pro, patterning, aum etc As for gaming don’t forget mac ports come to iPad as well so RE village, Death Stranding etc. As well as new games like zone zenless zero

[@redphone1438]

A big update would make it feel less snappy in the OS.

[@DrewPera]

What can you even do with an M4 in an iPad? The OS is still a limitation with an M1.

[@edd9581]

even for A15 the os still limited

[@misx80]

better framerate in mobile games :P

[@radicalraccoon]

@@misx80For the very, very few games worth playing that have controller support? Yeah, no thanks. Lol.

[@Solunexxx]

@@radicalraccoonassassin’s Creed Mirage is not even out yet for ios lmao

[@henrikpetersson3463]

Creative apps can utilise it quite well no? Movie editing? Music production? Animation? 3D modelling?

[@MarleyTravels]

Memo to Apple marketing. Sometimes it's a fine line between opportunistic and evil. You have crossed into evil territory with the now current Apple pencil lineup. Also, When a product line starts to look this cluttered and confused, you are doing it wrong.

[@tiadaid]

Just crossed? They have crossed that territory in 2017...

[@MarleyTravels]

@@tiadaid They tend to teeter back and forth across that line. This is by no means the first time and likely won't be the last. Their marketing has always been a bit hit and miss in other ways. The differentiation between the various versions of the M1 processor for example was poor. Which wasn't fixed until the M3 variants.

[@pweddy1]

“It’s the thinnest iPad ever.” Bend gate 2.0?

[@mtmakinita]

😂

[@gentuxable]

Foldable. Once.

[@mrarticle622]

@@gentuxablehahaha “once”!! 😭 one of the best comments ever

[@EquiKnightt]

I'm Really glad Luke mentioned the artists and creators in this video since a lot of other tech youtubers shrug the updates off as "Lame/pointless" But for those of us who use Procreate/dreams + So many other creative apps the M4 and new pencil features are enough for someone like myself to upgrade from another Pro as soon as the reviews come out regardless of the software. Working on huge art projects at a high res really makes even the current pro chug and third party Desktop drawing displays just don't feel great to use. Super happy about these!

[@JellyLancelot]

So we just all got gloss over the fact that now the iPad Air is the thickest iPad?

[@rajat1960]

the iPad 10 is thicker afaik

[@DavidA20200]

Oh good I thought I was the only one that was underwhelmed. All the other tech KZbinrs are just drooling for some reason. It’s nice that we got OLED, but what do we need a M4 for? It’s the same chassis except extra thins. That way there’s more chance to bend it, the bezels didn’t get any smaller and the price got larger so why is everybody so hyped?

[@TaleOfTwoIdiots]

Underwhelmed - perfect word.

[@scb2scb2]

Really what did people expect it to have to 'get excited' its just the best tablet you can get if you are willing to pay for it... They also have now what? 15 different models ? in all price ranged nobody is forcing you to get it.

[@aktivlingd532]

​@@scb2scb2all price Ranges? Nah. Give me an usable ipad for less than 300$.

[@scb2scb2]

@@aktivlingd532 Apple doesn't want to make a sub $300 one either get a second hand one or get a android based one...

[@markoconnell804]

Saving all my hype for when AI comes out. I am so tiered of what feels like Stump Dumb Siri.

[@rd4k04]

The iPad is like driving a Ferrari in stop and go traffic. If it had an actual operating system it would be like taking it to the track.

[@productamadeus8745]

Facts!

[@chidorirasenganz]

not at all

[@nothanksfools]

Great analogy

[@manart6506]

I think the Ferrari is in the track. But people want macOS and to me that would be like wanting to do Fast & Furious chases.

[@davecerv]

Personally, I was offended how the iPad mini was treated like a stepchild. It always has been treated as such, but today it was evident they don’t care about that mighty little device. It’s evident they are killing iPad mini by making the iPad 10th gen $200 cheaper than the mini. It’s so unfortunate. The iPad mini is the truest definition of what a tablet should be.

[@britneyfreek]

same with the 4” iphone or the mini. it’s shameful.

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

Some people have a misunderstanding that smaller device should be cheaper. Last Mini was not because they didn't skimp on the hardware. In computers, many times the "small" version goes for a premium.

[@crBudgetWatches]

My wife is a civil engineer and her iPad mini is her workhorse . It’s the only piece of tech that has excited her in her life

[@davecerv]

@@JasonTaylor-po5xc I get what you’re saying, but well, I’m not saying the mini should be cheaper…however the general public will see bigger iPad 10th gen cheaper price ohhhh that one. Which by default works against the mini. I know people that had never even heard of the mini and they wish they got it instead of another bigger model.

[@davecerv]

@@geocam2 I really hope so. The current 6th gen is still fantastic as is, however 6th gen released in 2021! All I want is a mini with 1TB storage or at least give me 512gb. I do not want to go up to a bigger iPad just for more storage, hell na.

[@SalemTechsperts]

Remember this comment when these start bending by the thousands because they sacrificed structural rigidity for thinness.

[@britneyfreek]

first thing i thought. “but will it bend?”

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

Skeptical too. Current iPad Pros are thin enough, no one was asking for this. Perhaps too thin if they made their logo a heatsink.

[@TamasKiss-yk4st]

Remember this comment while are you are waiting the bending issues.. even the 2022 iPad Pro thickness was under 6mm.. so technically just a marketing bullshit, it's not even 1mm thinner..

[@nour2146]

@@britneyfreek JerryRigEverything will answer that question for us

[@manart6506]

I doubt it because of Apple past experience. Maybe a dozen of iPads bent and half will be KZbinrs doing it on purpose.

[@robsquared2]

"Hey I'm packing an M4!" TSA agent who used to be in the military: pats down Luke within an inch of his life.

[@PJ-sv4iw]

PP

[@freestar_cyan]

Luke i think the reason why the new apple pencil pro is only compatible with the new ipads is because the the magnetic docking and charging strip on the old appple pencil is perfectly aligned to the centre of the ipads side. Where the new cameras are placed for the ipad pro/air. This is probably the reason they said that only the Apple pencil pro and the usb-c apple pencil are compatible with the new ipads. And the same reason why the 10th gen ipad was incompatible with the second gen apple pencil even though it got the redesign. The magstrip interferes when placing thr cameras in a horizontal orientation

[@DJDarren80]

Imagine if a trillion dollar company had the ability to design its products to be compatible with its old products.

[@Graf-XTechReviews]

Yeah they actually briefly mentioned in the event that they had to redesign the Apple Pencil charger. So that makes a lot of sense, I think since they also didn’t even raise the price on the new Apple Pencil, it was pretty fair all things considered

[@GNz11R3dSh1ft]

The thing is, those who are professional will mostly be looking at the MacBook Pro’s for their power and full array of desktop apps. It’s all good having an iPad with M4. But that doesn’t mean using Z-Brush is going to be any less clunky with iPadOS capabilities, photoshop is still missing a load of features that the desktop/mac versions have and gaming really isn’t an issue. Mirage will still play at 30fps, Genshin will still be the benchmark which kills your iPad in 1.5 hours and things like procreate will still be absolutely amazing on every iPad with the new 11/12.9 inch design. (Might I add without the need to buy a brand new Apple Pencil) The iPad Air 13” is coming too late, but is arguably the real star of the show, it will mean the biggest demographic of iPad users (students and casual users) can have a 12.9/13” iPad without needing to pay for power they will literally never use, until recently I worked in an Apple Store here in the UK, and out of the hundreds of iPads I sold each year only about 5% were for pro users looking for the best and most powerful. Most people I met looking for an iPad were either students or older people who only went for the pro because it had a large screen for ease of use/procreate and note taking, not for the power inside. The iPad Pro will never be pro without a major overhaul of IPadOS, unfortunately that won’t happen because then it will be a direct competitor for the Mac lineup and Apple want them to be two distinctive devices. Hardware wise with the new aluminium Magic Keyboard and 13” inch size, the Pro is just a touchscreen 13” MacBook with less battery life and without MacOS or a calculator, while also somehow being more expensive…

[@misx80]

yepp, my use case for an ipad is media consumption and casual gaming, for serious stuff I have dedicated machines so a bumped up ipad air is just fine

[@GNz11R3dSh1ft]

@@misx80 yep, that is my use case for my iPad aswell, light gaming, web searches, music, maybe some procreate and mainly content consumption. And if I want oled I have an 83” TV for that. So the air is a no brainer for me.

[@sydguitar99]

Apple about to have a bendgate 2.0 when these iPad Pros start bending in people's backpacks

[@ebisuminoru]

we need jerry to do this test im already waiting

[@pressrepeat2000]

Backpacks will kill this iPad. Crazy. Not fun to get the $2,699 version suddenly coming out bent right after the warranty expires.

[@telcobilly]

Exactly what I thought. How thin does a device have to be??

[@manart6506]

@@telcobillypaper thin.

[@smbu]

Wouldn't that be 3.0? The new design ipad pros introduced in 2018 had bending issues as well. I can only imagine how these new thinner ones will fare.

[@garfieldirwin]

I use my iPad pro 2018 every single day but have no interest in upgrading until Apple "unchains" iPadOS. As powerful as these new machines are, they don't do anything more for me than my 2018 model.

[@bobjames6622]

As for somebody who only uses it for Procreate I was SERIOUSLY underwhelmed. Hell, even the new pencil isn't backwards compatible with my "ancient" M1 iPad Pro. I watched the whole presentation, and what a SERIOUS yawn fest!!

[@Semi-Detached]

The magnets and charge points in the new pencil are in a different place than the apple pencil 2. Moving the camera to the side is the reason you can't use the apple pencil 2.

[@fVNzO]

Of all the changes apple makes that's actually a very respectable reason to stop support of the 2. And they didn't raise the price. What we can then question is that the pencil 2 didn't get an official price decrease. But at least it has been discounted for a long time on 3rd party stores.

[@DaytonPruet]

Was going to post this thought and see someone already did.

[@speedyg123.]

yup i had this exact thought while watching the video. Bit concerning Luke didn’t manage to put the two together and just instead pointed it to Apple being Greedy 😔

[@SoulK37]

Doesn't explain why you can't use the new Pencil on the old iPad Pros with the same chipset as the new Air.

[@markhalstead2386]

@@SoulK37 Yes it does. The charge point is in a different place on the new pencil, so it will only work with the new iPads, which have the pencil magnets and charging in the new location. The old iPad Pros have the charge point in the wrong place for the new pencil.

[@hunterbsmith]

The question is... why would you buy a new iPad Air over the 5th gen? It's $100 cheaper right now on Amazon, and you're only missing WiFi 6E, "new" colors, a *slightly* faster M2 chip, 128GB, and the landscape camera. I feel like those are all very small updates that aren't worth the money.

[@VarunSrinivas]

landscape camera is something I really appreciate. but 800$ for a 60hz display is bonkers. it is even more noticeable in a big display.

[@hunterbsmith]

@@VarunSrinivas It’s only $600 for the 11” model, but still.

[@VarunSrinivas]

@@hunterbsmith i was talking about the 13 inch one.. 11 inch is still the one that would sell the most I suppose.

[@Workaholic42]

Those "small updates" are usually ridiculously expensive at Apple, so the new iPad Air could indeed be very much worth buying. The large model is also a bargain when compared to the iPad Pro.

[@hunterbsmith]

@@Workaholic42 That’s a good point. The 13” model is very different. If you’re looking at the 11” then I think for me I’d save the money!

[@The.JZA.]

People wanted the FaceID in the landscape orientation, this meant that the charging coil design for the apple pencil had to change, hence why the old pencil doesn't work with the new iPads and the new pencil doesn't work with the old iPads. I would say they technically could work with the screen but since there's no way to charge and therefore pair the pencil on the iPad, they just decided it was easier to say it doesn't work.

[@velocitymj]

Thank you for the explanation.

[@sergiodeoliveira5358]

Giving up on iPad Pro. I sold my 12.9” M1 and am just keeping the Mini. Tired of the OS holding the hardware back. As soon as the announcement ended, I ordered the Minisforum V3 which runs full Windows 11 with 32Gb of RAM and a 1Tb SSD for $1199. All I want from the iPad Pro is the ability to dual boot into MacOS.

[@josh3326]

Sold my 12” too and kept the mini. The mini is such a great device. There’s no need for me to get a new iPad anytime soon. At those prices, its smart to hold onto them for 5 or more years.

[@netrodex]

wise decision. yeah.... it doesn't run macOS and... I think it never will. But that's sooo funny coz apple is trying to make it into a real PC...

[@tim3172]

You should do 30 seconds of research into "Minisform + bios update" and then realize you traded a device with ~8 years of software updates for one which comes from a company which ships devices with known UEFI problems that are never resolved. I have a MinisForum UN1260. I'll give you an hour to find the drivers for it. (Hint 1: Windows 11 doesn't resolve at least 7 major drivers on its own.) (Hint 2: MinisForum strips driver listings from their pages after Windows releases a new "H" version... regardless of whether or not they're still for sale. So, when 24H2 releases, everything released with 23H2 will be removed. Windows typically releases twice a year, meaning 22H1 would only last until 22H2's release *the same year*.)

[@toadlguy]

Hey Luke - The reason for the Pencil issues is the Landscape camera. They had to change the charging and magnets.

[@Slurgical_3D_Terrain_Channel]

I’m disabled, I’m reinventing myself with 3D Modeling, I do everything on the iPad because I am not forced to be limited to a desk. I have a 2018 iPad Pro and it has been a game changer. Some of the software is running slow. This will up my productivity and my freedom to work anywhere.

[@DuBstep115]

$1299 is cheap for something you use all the time

[@Slurgical_3D_Terrain_Channel]

@@DuBstep115 absolutely agree.

[@RealTechnoPanda]

Its 0.1 mm thinner! I am sold.

[@cmdrstevemcmaru7417]

Right? Honestly, who cares if it is thinner, it is just more likely to bend. And they just forgot to mention, that they removed one camera for no reason although they are marketing spacial video for the Apple Vision Pro (and are rearranging the cameras on their phones for that reason (rumors)?), but that thing isn't going to sell well soon as long as there is no real use for that. This is the new "Think different."

[@dexgray4581]

M4 iPad Pro with MacOS would be the dream with it’s power AND OLED touch screen! Literally the best of both worlds in one purchase!… too bad Apple doesn’t want to make the perfect device, but would rather keep a very unnecessary “eco-system” in place. 😭 looks like I’m sticking to a MacBook for now.

[@idris8153]

hiding the binned cpu is so sneaky. was going to purchase the new one today but now I'm questioning it. gonna wait for wwdc

[@btsr2553]

and I really did say before the event that a Pencil Pro was coming. Next comes the Pencil Ultra, the Pencil Max and then the 8-foot-long Pencil Ultra Max.

[@John-vf4so]

I think the Apple Pencil issue is that they and to change the magnets because of the landscape camera. I agree its unfortunate though - I’ll stick with my iPad mini 6

[@VarunSrinivas]

What was the last time one of us thought the iPad was too thick to handle :(

[@chidorirasenganz]

When you add a Magic Keyboard 😅

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

Seriously I don't understand why we need it to be any thinner. If anything I'd rather be a bit thicker to get better battery

[@CompMeistR]

It literally had rigidity issues with how thin it was, and now they're making it even thinner? Doesn't make sense to me.

[@VarunSrinivas]

@@michaelcorcoran8768 exactly. I need to charge my M2 iPad Pro atleast once a day if I plan on doing any sort of gaming on it.

[@bruxi78230]

Guys, guys. It does make sense because if makes the iPad lighter.

[@magellan8449]

Best update ever - much better than expected. I ordered the base model 11" iPad Pro Wi-Fi.

[@F-aber]

Honest question though, why is it a bad thing that you don’t feel like this product is for you if you are not an artist? Isn’t that great? That means you could easily justify not upgrading or going with a cheaper model like the iPad Air

[@J0S3PH_56]

You could also flip your argument and say that it’s really cool that the non-pro iPads get all the features a non-pro person would want without having to upgrade higher. You could argue the screen tech is better but 99% of non-pro people don’t care.

[@MasterKilokk]

If I wasn't already spoiled by the promotion display in my 2018 pro I'd be buying the air for sure.

[@Thegooob95]

2024 new iPads released without oled and 120hz is inexcusable

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

The problem has been that many people think "pro" just means better and/or bigger. To me, "pro" means you should be using the device to make money or as part of your career/job - not just for Netflix and playing games. Mortals should stick with the normal iPad, or, if you _really_ are feeling spendy - iPad Air. But, in a sense, the Pro is a halo device for everyone else and it makes the iPad Air look downright reasonable.

[@baths4carsraspberrypicomputer]

that one rich friend that buys the nano-textured glass 💀💀💀 *edit wow thanks for so much likes

[@LuisAngelSantos]

And gets the 2TB option

[@Ryan_DeWitt]

I don't get the nano-textured glass. Especially paying so much more for it. You are sacrificing text sharpness for less glair. Unless you are working outside or in strange light that you can in no way adjust, why?

[@iseptimus]

Just get the standard glass and put a pencil focused textured glass protector on. No matter how Nano the Apple screen is, it's going to get scratched.

[@pumaeuu1207]

Even Huion drawing tablets are getting more and more appetizing 😂

[@RatchetLive]

and you can’t even apply a screen protector to a nano texture glass to prevent scratches that will inevitably come with using the pencil.

[@arthurdebacker4797]

Apple has lost its soul with these online keynotes! They should bring back the folks that actually worked on these products and put them on a stage and let them geek out a bit like they used to

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

Perhaps but that train transition would be hard to pull of live.

[@AlMarche90]

It's not that the upgrades are mid. It's the price that is outrageous and the value proposition is completely wrong.

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

I disagree. iPad Air update is pretty solid. Pros are only worth it if you plan to use it and/or _really_ value OLED. Probably first update in which the Pro will be only for Pros. This was the same problem with all the folks complaining about the Pro Display at $6k - all the mere mortals complained it was too expensive yet the real pros thought it was a bargain because a good reference monitor is $20k.

[@Kevin-mx4vm]

I don't understand what you're saying I think they're fairly priced

[@Gurenn83]

​@@Kevin-mx4vmthis guy just said fairly priced? what the hell 😆

[@benji_san]

graphic designer / animator here , uhh my M1 is doing great sooo why should i upgrade again? Unless we get a less restricted OS, i dont see how the M4 is even working to its full potential

[@theo9976]

Apple’s ’upgrades’ are getting more and more minute and elusive. Squint and you’ll miss how exactly these machines are supposed to be better. Disappointing.

[@Cynlixal]

We’re getting to a point where tech is so advanced already that improvement is slowing down significantly, they should focus on iPadOS if anything and bring this hardware to life

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

OLED display was pretty nice update, but also a price hike too. I'd have to see it in person to know if I care or not.

[@TheStopwatchGod]

Apple did actually say the M3's CPU is 20% faster than the M2's CPU during the October 30 keynote If M4 achieved 1.5x the M2's performance, and M3 achieved 1.2x the M2's performance, than if both statements by Apple are correct, and line up perfectly, we get a 25% performance jump going from the M3 to M4

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

I thought the M3 was a bit underwhelming - felt very skippable, so I'm glad the M4 is out, which means the Mac will be updated with the new chip soon enough.

[@cycledance]

I have no idea how you managed to make such a well made video in 2 hours.

[@cole_tech_offical]

A easyer to bend iPad?

[@TheGuitarHistorian]

I’ve been waiting for an OLED iPad for years. That’s the only reason I ordered the absolute cheapest version at $1k. I do watch a lot of movies on my iPad. But otherwise, I use my MacBook for anything more intensive.

[@SoulK37]

The reason for the iPad Pro to exist for the masses is so that people can say they own an iPad Pro. Then proceed to use it to watch KZbin and Netflix, read the odd email and play Candy Crush.

[@britneyfreek]

absolutely the same with those big arse phones. “i got the iphone 20 pro ultra max giga humongous. 6000 bucks.”. to post their bullshit dances on tiktok.

[@AmbientClassical]

They had to reposition the magnets because of the landscape camera position, which is probably why they had to create a whole new pencil.

[@omaralcantara1142]

They still ain’t update the fucking iPad mini!!?? Nah put Tim Cook in jail at this point

[@gilbert512]

Still tired of waiting. Dont even know if they will update it at this point. Hopefully they do soon.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

i never understood the mini ipad, makes no sense to me but go ahead :) i want WAY bigger iPad sutdios like 60" and more

[@omaralcantara1142]

@@gilbert512 prolly a M1 SE chip at this point 😂😂

[@omaralcantara1142]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl feel like the iPad is minimalistic & can get an XDR display plus at least an M1 or M3 chip for all that size might as well get a 16 inch MacBook Pro it’s more powerful and serves a better purpose the iPad is kinda a thing for kids and artist and just to browse

[@mvbalan_]

5:49 Apple Pencil Pro is compatible to the new iPads only because the cameras are now on the long edge of the display so they had to redesign the magnets inside since it magnetically charges. Same goes why the old Apple Pencil Gen 2 is not compatible with the new iPads

[@The.JZA.]

"I like the features and I find it useful" I mean the same thing could be said about the iPad pro vs iPad air. Brighter, more colourful screen with true blacks, 120hz, way better speakers, more powerful CPU/GPU for gaming etc. There are a lot of reasons to buy the Pro other than just drawing. Personally if I was gonna get one, which I won't, I would get the 11" (because its more portable), skip the keyboard because who cares about a keyboard on an iPad? I have a MacBook and PC if I wanna do real work/writing, and I would get an aftermarket case that actually protects it like a Zugu or STM and I would get the pencil, not because I am an artist, but because it's useful for taking notes when at a seminar etc or when you are doing things that require more accuracy like video editing or playing board games on BGA. I used to have an M1 iPad Pro 11" and I sold it to buy a 14" MacBook Pro and honestly, I don't really have any FOMO. If I want a portable device I have my iPhone 15 Pro Max and if I want a computer I have my MacBook Pro so I feel like the iPad sits in an awkward middle ground and isn't really needed. It would suit someone who had a phone and a desktop but if you already have a laptop, especially a Mac laptop, then it's a little redundant to have an iPad as well unless you really need the pencil.

[@tranquilitybase6417]

First world problems. I’ll be getting the super Pro because my 5-year old Pro is long in the tooth for doing music production

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

this are essential problems in music we will never ever have enough power, not in 100 years. so thats not at all a first world problem, now the video folks and macOS crybabies, yes this is total first world problems

[@SarthakJain119]

@Luke Miani The new ipads have a different apple pencil charging system, because of the landscape camera the wireless charging coils had to be redesigned, hence the compatibility issue.

[@iaindodds]

Thank god they’ve brought out something more powerful as my M1 just wasn’t powerful enough to do what everyone uses their iPads for…. Watching KZbin

[@glumdrops3678]

Hello, artist here! I do commission work professionally and I can NEAR assure you that nobody wanted any of this, I can only really think that 3D artists would like the new Apple pencils tilt. But IPAD OS is so limited that they can’t actually use programmes that they would be able to benefit from it with either way. Most digital artists can get a Wacom and an infinitely more powerful PC for rendering 3D images/ using toon boom or whatever. A whole extra £150 to squeeze the barrel instead of double tapping. (Because the Apple Pencil 2 can also open up menus you map it to) I got my Drawing tablet for £30 second hand and it’s a full OLED panel double the size of my IPad. And the pen comes as standard. I use my iPad Air 4 and an Apple Pencil 2 and it’s perfect for traditional art. This isn’t for artists either, it’s too expensive, what artist do you know was more than £100 to their name be for realsies.

[@ErikBrainOS]

Agree with 100%.. I was waiting for this event, still using an A12z iPad Pro 11" and can't find a reason to upgrade. And honestly, the more time goes by, the less I use my iPad, really thinking of getting rid of it and just save the money to get the M4 Pro Mac when it'll be available (upgrading my M1 Pro 16").

[@JadonLyonMedia-FHA1]

"Please give me an OLED Mac." YES!!! We need an OLED Mac!

[@VarunSrinivas]

You know what's the most disappointing? The fact that the Apple Pencil Pro isn't supported on the iPad Pro M2s! i eld off buying the 2nd Gen Pencil for so long, only to get a bummer. The morons aren't reducing the price of the outdated Pencil too smh.

[@chidorirasenganz]

There’s no old pencil for sale

[@VarunSrinivas]

@@chidorirasenganz it is... 4 pencils still on sale, imagine the lightning one is still available.

[@calebchristensenviolin]

What? I heard that the iPad Air was compatible with it and thought, "oh good, should be compatible with M2 as well then". They have the same chip, and both support Hover. Oh well, not surprising, and I just sold my M2 anyways.

[@VarunSrinivas]

@@calebchristensenviolin IKR! I was so bummed when the Air supported it and the last gen Pro doesn't!

[@misx80]

3rd party shops will surely try to get rid of their stock on a discount, just wait a bit

[@kanaye3561]

This iPad Pro is just as thin as its sales figures are going to be. In Germany the 13 inch iPad Pro starts at 1550€ (1668$) - Where do they get the idea that people will pay so much money for a tablet, when at the same time their iPhone sales are a falling across the globe, because their new phones are to expensive and the old ones are too good to be replaced (and that effect is even more obvious with their iPad line up)

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

natürlich kostet ein iPad pro mehr als ein laptop das ist doch nichts neues. ich werde 4 kaufen, 3 pro und 1 air alle 13"

[@soundguydon]

I have the iPad Air 2nd gen that I bought 9 years ago. Still works great for most things. In '22 I bought the 5th gen iPad Air & still love it. Plenty fast enough for me. Other than a few apps, I mainly use them for media consumption. When the iPad Pro first came out, I reaaaaly wanted it -- but after nearly a decade of using an iPad, I'm glad I didn't. As you say, the "Pro" models aren't meant for me. Anything artistic I want to do, I use my desktops for. If I was going to spend that much, I'd just get a new M4 Mini (when and if they ever come out with it.)

[@Flutterwhat]

Luke, most people Arne't buying a full iPad Pro kit every year

[@carlstevenwilletts]

Imagine not being tech-savvy and going to the Apple store for your first iPad. So many different iPads, 4 Apple pencils. Total confusion.

[@chidorirasenganz]

There’s only two pencils and four ipad lines to choose from

[@Kevin-mx4vm]

Apple genius: you're gonna need the latest m4 ipad and all the pencils

[@nylotical]

Which is why they have workers at the store and compatibility labels.

[@toranp.8942]

Heads would roll if Steve Jobs was in charge right now

[@carlstevenwilletts]

@@toranp.8942 I don't think he would be happy with so many products.

[@lukemiani]

Are you buying any of the new iPads?

[@taxevasionspecialist]

I'm not buying an ipad until they remove the chains of IpadOS and basically give us a light MacOS, or at least the option to dual boot. All this power for a glorified netflix machine is just ridiculous to me...

[@ParasChadha08]

Yess 🎉🎉

[@Morecreativemind]

I'll Stick with my iPad

[@AurelianIrimia]

NO!

[@JeremyHelm]

Rent is too damn high

[@emanuelkatanov8723]

They removed the second camera as well!!!

[@jamesryan0707]

Not sure if this has already been said…. Wasn’t the main reason they did not move the front facing camera on the last model IPad Pro because of the magnets used to attach the Apple Pencil two, and now with the new iPad Pro, they have in fact redesigned the magnet connection/ charging for the Apple Pencil Pro so the front facing camera could be moved to the landscape location? This would be a reason that the Apple Pencil two is not compatible with the new iPad Pro. The magnets and charger for the Apple Pencil Pro must not line up or work properly with the Apple Pencil two. Just a thought.

[@leonardoopaiva]

Can a Writer complain that the iPad Pro is too much for him because all he does is write plain text? All the most of us do is surf the web, you’re upset because you don’t need this beautiful and magnificent new tool. But I understand you. In my view Apple should release 3 iPad Pros so you get the new features and fell less excluded. It should exists a middle version with 12”, OLED, 120Hz and maybe M3 for 799. How cool this would be? Would be awesome! Why apple doesn’t do it? Because they can simply not do it and force you to spend 300 dollars more to get a pricier version if you really want a nicer screen and a slightly faster version .

[@jsbach8018]

my grandma bought an M2 iPad Pro. They had a terabyte of storage just to look at Facebook because the salesman talked her into the “big display” 😑😑

[@AleksandarDragosavac]

your grandma should have stayed at home on that day 🙂

[@silaspoulsen]

The reason for the 2 different apple pencils is that the new front camera arrangement makes the prior wireless charger on the 2. gen Apple Pencil not match the wireless charger in the new iPad chassis. This is the reason why the Apple Pencil Pro isn’t compatible with older iPads and vise versa.

[@ethanjrdz]

Then how is it that the new iPad Air supports both 2nd gen and Apple Pencil pro?

[@benjaminharris8354]

​@@ethanjrdzit doesnt. Only USB C and the pro pencils

[@victoregea5311]

6:04 to place the front camera horizontally, they’ve redesigned and rearranged the charging and magnets for the pencil so that it still stays centered in the bezel

[@InterestingZimmy]

I think that Apple locking the new Apple Pencil Pro with the new iPad has to do something with the way it’s charged. As the new front Camera orientation on the iPad I feel like Apple may have moved the Charging coils of the new Pencil and the iPad which may have been a factor of the new Pencil not being compatible with the older generation and the new iPad not being compatible with the Apple Pencil 2.

[@AlbuStudio]

They look very nice, the iPad problem for me that there is limited Justifications to upgrade every time the new one comes out for last 5 years.

[@matttypes2695]

Quad speakers + OLED display = phenomenal media consumption device.

[@DuBstep115]

No matter how many speakers you put in handheld device, it will always sound worse than $19 headset

[@RatchetLive]

A 1300$ media consumption device. You could get a 65“ Oled Tv for that money.

[@matttypes2695]

@@RatchetLive true, but the tv isn’t portable.

[@nikumimito3164]

@@RatchetLiveyou going to take that 65’ TV on the plane and traveling with you or to work etc?

[@JMNTN]

apple over exaggerating the importance of the event as per usual, they just bumped the specs and updated the peripherals, this was supposedly the most important event since the launch of the ipad itself

[@scb2scb2]

Really what did people expect ? A round ipad or something ? its a 11" or 13" flat thingie with a computer inside how can the rest not be 'just some bumped specs' ...

[@mjwdrones4all41]

@@scb2scb2A camera and battery life of 50 hrs like the Iphone has now would have been NICE…..

[@Tachibana_Tsukasa]

The apple pencil pro is a game changer. apple is now arguably the best tool for illustrators/ digital artists even wacom the OG digital art peripheral vendor doesn't even have barrel rotation available which allows people to emulate flat brushes and other shaped brushes

[@Graf-XTechReviews]

Yeah I am very excited to try it out myself! I was not expecting the barrel roll feature!

[@dennisthebrony2022]

The real reason why the Apple Pencil 2 will not work with the newer iPad is simply because of the all new landscape camera module. Nonetheless, I think Apple Pencil 3 should be a better fitting name for that one anyway because of the new design.

[@ShivamYadav-rx3hy]

U are damn right. Now iPad Pro literally means for professionals.

[@deanzaZZR]

Nice rant, but honestly a M4 9 core CPU/10 core GPU with 8GB RAM in an iPad is somehow holding anyone back?

[@sammaelwinchester4412]

Maybe the ram and the m4 not, but this iPadOS is pretty much holding me back… way back

[@gatallica_]

And I can't wait for the bend test on the larger iPad pro

[@mjwdrones4all41]

yuuupppp

[@juank.t.f.3646]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 me too!

[@offbrandDavid]

Not to glaze Apple, but the reason the new pencil isn’t backwards compatible is the redesigned charging config to account for the new landscape camera. Completely different layout under the screen.

[@Scottdlt]

Unless I missed it. Does the new pencil attach to the iPad with magnets like before? I cannot justify buying it due to the Os. For me, the ability to have a full version of Photoshop is a must.

[@Ultrajamz]

If they make the ipad pro able to use terminal and basically replace macbook airs, then fine… but they haven’t and probably wont.