Archbishop Justin Welby Resigns over Abuse Scandal is this the death of the Church of England?

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[@emmakenworthy7271]

Justin Welby's mental health.....but he has not had all the horrendously unjust and aggressive things happen to him that have happened to you, Revd. Brett. Sorry, I think the mental health issue in him, consists more of wilfulness: going against God's decrees, being too cowardly to deal with this wicked man Smyth, being weak and woke. I call him a disgrace. Well now the Anglican Communion are going to be even more definitely separate from the C of E. Personally I see NO way back for the C of E - too long, too much water under the bridge etc.

[@Raymond-w5i]

Jesus did warn us of wolves in sheep’s clothing. I am praying for my country daily.

[@andrewoliver8930]

The clergy at the top of the church are dodgy.

[@carolpagotto5395]

Listening from Australia 🇦🇺, can't imagine a less Christlike man than Welby.

[@juliemayes2027]

Unfortunately they are out there please pray that the new archbishop actually believes and stands for what Bible actually teaches

[@aphroditeblighty]

They will never let a true Christian replace Welby. It's drenched in deceit and evil. Thank you Reverend Murphy. These videos of truth are desperately needed.

[@DotBell-m6t]

Especially if Starmer has a hand in it. The king as defender of the Faith should be involved but even he wants to change tradition as a member at present of the C of E I am struggling as to what to do how can we grow with this corruption on going

[@teresastockman3401]

Dear Brett you are wonderful to appologise to those who suffered. Bless you. I am very worried who will take over the remaining Arch bishops are just as woke and ungodly. The AB of York even has a problem with the Lords prayer because it starts Our Father. I am seriously thinking about leaving C of E as it no longer reflects my faith in God and Jesus Christ. I will continue to pray and bible read at home. It is about faith not going to church that is controlled by the evil one.

[@lsouth8023]

God bless you and standing firm for following the bible.

[@RevBrettMurphy]

Thanks it hasn't always been easy but it's worth it

[@fionatudor-tompkins6526]

Thankyou they are not Holy men they've been complicit, it's as good as collusion, I agree more should go, there's too many false people using the Church too many wicked people who hide behind and abuse others You are right shame eternally God Knows them there is no getting away from final judgement

[@deliapowell2802]

"You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free" thanks be to God for His word comforting and for all alleluia amen

[@RevBrettMurphy]

Amen the bible provides such timeless comfort and peace

[@lpetitoiseau9146]

Ye shall know the truth and the truth will set you free whether you like it or not.

[@davepugh2519]

@@RevBrettMurphy The fact that it gives some people comfort and peace does not make it true. I'm sure the Quran gives people the same thing.

[@marcokite]

@@RevBrettMurphy ...As does the TRADITION of the Church, the Bible being PART of that Tradition.

[@muttsnmanuscripts]

As a survivor of abuse, at the hands of people both inside and outside the Church, I found this situation absolutely appalling. And especially ironic considering this Sunday in the CofE is SAFEGUARDING SUNDAY. May God help us all. Thank you for posting this, Rev. Brett, I believe that as much light needs to be shed on this as possible.

[@suzesinger6762]

😢❤🎉

[@Dee-mj3pu]

The Destroyer continues to chop up the Church!

[@jonlannister345]

In the UK cowardice is considered a high virtue now

[@RevBrettMurphy]

Courage is very rare here now

[@marcokite]

@@RevBrettMurphy - The CofE was doomed since the reign of Elizabeth I. Since the 16th century the CofE has diluted the liturgy and teaching on faith and morals. The CofE embraced the heresies contained in the 39 Articles, time to make reparations for the 39 Articles and all the protestant heresies. Time for Holy Orthodoxy ☦☦☦

[@Now_We_Are_Sussex]

Victims should be able to sue him personally. Good riddance to bad rubbish, as we say in America. Thanks, Brett

[@donaldrichey3318]

The Church of England is more concerned with serving a liberal agenda than doing the works that Jesus commissioned us to carry out. The bishops couldn’t care less about the victims of their negligence. Pure evil.

[@andrewoliver8930]

A Liberal agenda doesn't include child abuse. That's a traditional pastime in the CofE.

[@ruthgrace-sw5uj]

@@andrewoliver8930 how is it they don't mind the sex ed in schools etc etc? That the far left are decriminalizing pedophilia?

[@Lov17213]

Not sure what your point is, Jesus himself was perhaps the most liberal firebrand that ever walked this Earth. Love everyone. Love and care for the marginalized, love the immigrant, love and care for the poor and sick, love and care for the widow and orphan. Don’t judge one another, simply love God and love each other. Don’t value money and things. Sounds like an extremely liberal philosophy to me.

[@donaldrichey3318]

@@Lov17213 Go back and finish reading the passage. He tells us to first remove the plank from your own eye before removing the speck from your brother’s eye. Judgement isn’t the issue. Being a hypocrite and pointing out some else’s sin when you are committing the same sin yourself. Not only should we judge each other it would be evil not to. If you see someone doing something harmful to themselves don’t you have an obligation to reach out to them? Isn’t that what an intervention is about? People lovingly trying to help a friend or family member?

[@Lov17213]

@ judge not, lest you be judged. God is my only judge, no man or woman. I answer only to God and will never answer to any other human.

[@Codestud]

I have never, ever, truly understood why it is that people who claim to follow the Gospel and practice the love of Jesus Christ in this world can be so abusive towards children and young people.

[@vsts2004]

The Makin Review Appendix 4 reports an expert view that JS had Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Persuasive, charming on the outside, and possibly even of sincere faith. Sadly persons with this condition are totally unaware of the proclivity to do appalling evil.

[@simeonyves5940]

@@vsts2004 Then he should have been in an Asylum, *not* the Church, that is the Harsh, Honest, Truth of it.

[@andrewoliver8930]

Religion fools children into believing men in positions of power.

[@wednesdayschild3627]

These kinds of people gravitate towards jobs where they can have access to abuse.

[@andrewoliver8930]

@@wednesdayschild3627 The church will keep attracting them whilst they cover up for child abusers.

[@alexblue6991]

Friend of the Royal family especially Andrew no wonder people have stopped going to church

[@andrewoliver8930]

Charles is friends with more predators than Andrew.

[@Icarus410a]

He was pushed, Welby is not the resigning kind

[@RevBrettMurphy]

Probably the King I reckon

[@clairebarrett3048]

Much love to you and your family Father, thank you once again for the spiritual support. 👍🙏✝️⛪ 😊

[@colleenwellard7738]

Also makes me think twice about the British royal families and some of their so called friends and associates.

[@andrewoliver8930]

They've always had their behaviour covered up by the establishment.

[@stevetoyne]

Welby is an abject coward for not personally reporting what he knew. Watching his channel 4 interview is nauseating for the way he tries to excuse himself.

[@DotBell-m6t]

​@@stevetoynehe can NEVER excuse himself this present trouble is the tip of his downfall don't forget his involvement with the Post Office scandal he was considering Vennells for Bishop of London say no more he has not had a backbone in his ministry

[@BoskiM]

The "Church of England" is not a genuine Church of Christ but a secular organisation. The Holy Spirit long left that shrine decades ago

[@andrewoliver8930]

It's not secular and can never be secular. Don't tar secularism with your stained abuse club.

[@OwenDawe-lu6sf]

The Holy Spirit is omni-present. I think rather the leadership shut out and left the Holy Spirit. There are still many attending the COE who have the Holy Spirit.

[@squizza28]

.@@OwenDawe-lu6sf I agree. Those who truly believe in the Bible, the word of God, will not let this affect their faith. Those who do are looking for an excuse to lapse as Christians.

[@BoskiM]

@OwenDawe-lu6sf if there are still any under the Holy Spirit they are few and far between. When the head is corrupt the body usually is which is why I wrote what I wrote

[@andrewoliver8930]

@OwenDawe-lu6sf The Holy Spirit saw the abuse? What did they do about it?

[@knightsrepose9448]

Kudos brother, from an ex Anglican now Catholic. GAFCON is no solution. It will split over female ordination eventually.

[@BoskiM]

From frying pan to fire 🔥

[@chrismaguire3667]

The Roman Catholic Church is as bad, if not *more so,* than the C of E, brother. Witness the paedophile cases that exploded in the US before the Great Lockdown. Do you really think that has been forgotten? It was displaced by the Chinese Biological Attack on the West, sure, but don't think that G-d the Father has forgotten. Have those Cardinals, Monsignors, bishops and priests involved truly been dealt with? Or, as the RCC often does, move them on in the hope that 'things will blow over'? What about the Popes under whose rule these things happened? Are they now under scrutiny; will they *ever* be this side of Heaven? There is no Denomination that hasn't been, nor is, touched by Satan's claws, nor any individual because his foothold is *our* carnality, however Biblically-minded or traditionally-churched we think we are or act out. Thus, yes, GAFCON will be affected eventually, as will all of the other 'new' Protestant groups. Why? Read the Book of Revelation and find out more about The False Prophet, the herald of the Antichrist. You will see. Right now while writing this, I keep seeing that awful "COEXIST" bumper sticker... In the end, though, the Holy Spirit will be calling the Bride of Christ out of *every* denomination (it is *not* the RCC, by the way - sorry) to become the Remnant Church, to be made ready for The Blessed Hope (not to stand on some mountain top wearing sheets,ect, ect, but to 'occupy' where we are or are sent), being what He is making us to be, 'from glory to glory', to be the Image of Christ in each one of us that the World sees in all we are, do and say. *Not* following traditions, formulae, rituals, public displays of prayer (PDPs) as the Pharisees did on street corners and expecting everyone around to stop and listen as they show how 'holy and spiritual' they are, something Jesus detested. But being everything Jesus was, as He taught - The Beattitudes. No, GAFCON is a stop-gap at best, but the Holy Spirit will use it if they stay faithful to The Word. We are to self-examine ourselves, and G-d the Father, not being denominationally-minded, will respond, no matter one's church tradition. Keep watching, praying, occupying because our Redemption is nearer than we think. Shalom.

[@simeonyves5940]

@@BoskiM Amen, I will be Burned at the Stake *long* before I cross the Tiber.

[@iainfoxell8543]

Like Eli's sons in the book of Samuel. Faithless corrupt leadership. Yet even against that story is Hannah the woman of faith. One day our Lord will return and as He says at the end of Mark 13 be on the alert.Remain faithful.

[@davidellis655]

“Is this the end if the Church if England?” - it will be if they appoint yet another minister who doesn’t hold to Biblically Christian principles.

[@RevBrettMurphy]

Correct

[@marcokite]

It ended under Elizabeth I.

[@JesusLovesYou-nd1rz]

I pray for all the people involved that God will heal their hearts and minds.

[@davepugh2519]

God clearly doesn't care, otherwise he would have done something to stop it happening in the first place (or perhaps he ain't real)

[@stephfoxwell4620]

And as DPP in 2012, Starmer's known about it for 12 years.

[@ritaschultz6859]

Thank you for your commentry and all the facts in this situation Blessing to you and yours

[@andreamisselbrook4079]

I really pray that Justin Welby now takes time to either repent and commit his life to the Lord for the first time or repent and ask the Lord to forgive him and seek to right some of the wrong he's done. I'm reminded of Psalm 84 v 10 about it being better to be a gatekeeper in the Lord's house , than dwelling in the tents of the wicked. How Jesus must weep for His church.

[@RevBrettMurphy]

Amen

[@dinaworkman306]

In jail

[@sarahnunns8263]

Is it true that the Prime minister chooses the Archbishop. How can an atheist make this choice? 😥

[@RevBrettMurphy]

Yes that has been the English system for centuries, it has long been a glaring flaw in the CofE

[@britastertern-gill4961]

They can’t

[@rossrennie182]

This will not save the Church of England unless the Bishops Repent and turn back to the Word of God . Or Wellby as he new about this . And covered it up . Remove the Word of God see what happens.

[@JonK...]

The heretic has left the building.

[@aubreyk.5927]

The seat of st Augustin is now finally vacant

[@paulwells4372]

Thank you Brother Brett 🙏🏼 We “The Church” to standing on the absolute TRUTH of the living Word of our Father and our God. Revelation 17:14 Despite the battles and opposition, Jesus, the Lamb of God, will prevail. As His followers, we are part of this victorious destiny, called to be faithful and steadfast, knowing that we are on the side of the Conqueror. God Bless you Brett & your wonderful family 🥰🙏🏼🥰

[@kiwitraveller6451]

I am glad I got out but miss the people and the way I loved the liturgy etc..our founding fathers...sad times even in NZ at the moment...the world is too much on us...looking up...Bless you and family heaps Rev Brett...

[@JonfitzFitzjohn-k6s]

Spot On Mate

[@michellebradbury]

So eloquent. Thank you! So sad but so true what you say about the CoE

[@RevBrettMurphy]

You are so welcome

[@fpwrankin]

I am not surprised at the Archbishop's departure. Several years ago he was interviewed by a reporter regarding his reaction to the shocking murders of Christians in Paris; how could a good God allow this horror to take place? His reply was to initially have doubts about his faith. An army chaplain prepared me for my Church of England confirmation at 14 years old. I remember this question was a test of my readiness and I responded my faith would not be tested by a cruel world.

[@paulinetipper1351]

We live in a fallen world.

[@stanleystone8636]

Well said Revd Brett You always speak the truth Keep going

[@aA-lx6ji]

If he is "rotten" can you imagine people below him????

[@davidrudd2215]

How far 'below'? There are many godly and faithful people and clergy still in the CofE - although it certainly isn't an easy place to be.

[@karenzupanic718]

Old Chinese saying: The fish rots from the head.

[@johnphilipduckworth1218]

Very pleased to listen to you today, as we fight our way through denominational confusions. God foresaw all of this, from the very beginning & is why He created Salvation through Jesus of Nazareth, Which is Perfect Theology..

[@RitaGrayson-y1g]

We pray....the Lord works. 'Thank You Father' amen

[@brentstockdale4478]

Knighted for "services" to the Crown? I want to know how this can be...WHAT services? Continue to lift you and your family in prayer.

[@Starchaser63]

Oh I do hope the new Archbishop of Canterbury is a Christian ✝️ 😊

[@jamesstevenson1056]

Church of England is spiritually dead the organisation will probably continue with all the strange people ignoring the teaching in the scriptures

[@stevev238]

I commend you for your frankness and directness in handling this matter.

[@johanvandersandt8904]

This has had such an inpact that my Roman Catholic friend in South Africa brought it up. He told me that Welby destroyed the church from within. Now if people from the outside of the church can see how much damage this guy has done then he has got a lot of serious repenting to to. You are right Brother. His term will be remember as a time of failure and concession to cultural norms. The word of God does not change and nor should his church regardless of the times. I thought I would be happy to see him gone but I am filled with sadness instead. Look at what was and what it has become and what's worse, what it will be under new woke leadership. Hope you have a great day Bro!

[@caroldonaldson5936]

There was a sexual element to Smyth's abuse - he would kiss the boys on the back of their necks as he abused them!

[@RevBrettMurphy]

What a sick freak. I meant he hadn't raped them but thank you for giving proper context to the scope of his vile abuse.

[@andrewoliver8930]

He knew he could get away with it within the church environment. Dodgy clergy. As ever.

[@maryn8139]

Most definitely a sexual element to Smyth's abuse--the boys were naked & so was Smyth!!!

[@maryn8139]

Definitely had a sexual element to Smyth's abuse--the boys were stripped naked & Smyth himself was naked!

[@tinaari88]

Pastor Jack Hibbs, Derek Prince and John McArthur are true men of God preaching purely from the bible and explains meanings with absolute conviction of the Holy Spirit I’m disabled and can’t get to church but with the teaching of those men, I have been filled with the Holy Spirit and have a wonderful relationship w Our Lord God , I never feel alone or in despair just praying bring tears of Joy and clarity of heart and mind; I know how it feels to have my soul restored :faith n Christ is an amazing gift that keeps growing through communion with our wonderful God the father !

[@Christine-j7b]

God bless you, I also am in similar position and have found a few on KZbin that I can listen too. I am in UK .

[@peterroberts4470]

It was not Christianity that carried out these heinous acts; these were the actions of certain evil, sick individuals falsely pretending to be Christian, and does not bring the entirety of Christianity into disrepute. Christianity condemns these acts and cover ups, by Smyth, Welby and company; they acted in a manner which was totally opposed to the teachings of Christianity. I feel deeply sorry for the young men subjected to the abuse, but Smyth did not commit these crimes as a Christian, they were the actions of a sick demonic individual.

[@david.leikam]

APCK here. I hope the CofE will do a serious review of itself and return to Jesus Christ, not muddled with an increasing 21st century secular agenda/culture. Amen.

[@starlight1867]

As a member of our Anglican church PCC we are required to pass 3 levels of Safeguarding training and certification, including Domestic Violence. We also have to have a Safeguarding Officer who we have to report any issues we identify. We are very committed to keeping our church safe for all - how therefore can Justin Welby account for not dealing with this when individually we would have jumped on this immediately? Please do not label all churches in the Church of England by his standards. I am glad to see him go as his beliefs , actions and standards do NOT align with the majority of our congregation including myself. I agree that he was forced to resign.

[@caroldrury9015]

I stand I agreement with your prayer for Mr Welby and, on a personal level, I declare that I forgive him for stealing the Anglican Church away from me, a former Anglican from South Africa. May God bless him and deal with him accordingly to His will.

[@John-FourteenSix]

Praying for the CoE and wisdom in selecting Welby’s replacement. Calvin Robinson would make an interesting Archbishop!

[@tinaari88]

How right is biblical prophecy in the last days men will turn from Christ and teach “the doctrine of demons ,and going woke is totally unscriptural! May the Lord our God, comfort and bring peace of mind to all those who have suffered abuse at the hands of those who profess to Love Christ but, serve Satan !

[@vsts2004]

Fabulous and totally on point Rev. Brett. I too share your fears about the next ABC. As an aside I see the ABY is pedalling ‘Do not be afraid’ as his 2024 Advent book, by the Archdeacon of Salford and Bolton. Our local female Vicar is promoting it with furious excitement and running evening groups to study it with the local Methodists. Not much putting on of ‘armour of light’ I fear here this Advent and, yes, I am afraid, very afraid for our holy Church.

[@RevBrettMurphy]

Isn't that Mr Mann?!

[@suzesinger6762]

'Let...the judgement of God START with the church FIRST.' - God.

[@vsts2004]

Yes, I believe the author of the Archbishop of York’s Advent 2024 book is The Ven. Rachel Mann. I am not quite sure of the reasons for him selecting and recommending it to the National CofE. I have not personally read it. Modern poems I think.

[@Lov17213]

Why is it that all too often people who are in leaders in religion seemingly lack anything Jesus like in their beliefs, thoughts, and deeds? We hear of these stories over and over. Just when we think we’ve heard the worst case, there’s one waiting to be uncovered that will shock us even more.

[@Christine-j7b]

The Gates of Hell will not Prevail against the Church the Lord builds without hands and made of living building stones.

[@deliapowell2802]

Bless you and thank you for your prayers and compassion - I also prayed this way last night and will continue in this way with all

[@tednash7210]

I pray for Welby, beyond that, what honour has been given to our Lord Jesus?

[@sylviaspandow-tassi5644]

Praise the Lord.

[@PhilipShepherd]

MAGA - Make Anglicanism Great Again

[@mrbaker7443]

What a coincidence that this blew up just after JW endorsed LLF weddings the other week

[@RevBrettMurphy]

God's judgement I think

[@kurtbarker3303]

Just shows how one man’s ego can ride roughshod over the faith.

[@vanessac1721]

Bless you

[@carolinecollett956]

We await whoever replaces ‘ The Arch Bishop of Canterbury’ and he will be heavily scrutinised on his ‘ delivery of the word of Jesus Christ’♥️🙏

[@DotBell-m6t]

How do you know it will be HE as a member of a Church that does NOT accept woman priests it is a time of great concern

[@carolinecollett956]

@ Anything is possible

[@carolinecollett956]

@ we do not want a lesbian bishop but as I said anything is possible in these biblical times of wokeness

[@Nu-Miss-Matic]

Maybe they will have a Tranz Queer Bishop

[@stevev238]

The Anglican church needs someone with the passion of the Pentecostal Bishop Cei Dewar.

[@davidoverton4030]

No regrets at leaving CofE ministry several years ago. It is an apostate church and just gets worse. I miss the ministry I once had, but know deep down, I'm better off out of the church.

[@RevBrettMurphy]

I feel similarly brother, I truly loved the CofE but it has become so apostate and evil its irredeemable

[@KarenLott-h1m]

​@RevBrettMurphy I agree with you both. I left CofE a couple of years ago, the gay blessing was the last straw for me. I have been calling those I know to come out of her.

[@Lazydaisy646]

​@@royquick-s5nwell dont be so quick to judge , My husband was a Priest in the Anglican church for 20 years seeing Wonderful moves of God under his leadership. He was despised by several church leaders because he believed in the inerrancy of scripture and holds it in high regard . We both felt we could no longer stay as the church began to embrace absolute heresies. He is now a Pastor in a wonderful Bible believing Holy Spirit filled movement and it's great. Is it perfect, of course not . Nowhere is but we love the fellowship and the people.

[@royquick-s5n]

@@Lazydaisy646 We differ. I believe that the Anglican Churches are part of the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church of the creeds, from which they have never separated. Through time some have separated, losing some of what has nothing to do with the cause of separation. I do not believe stereotyping the whole Church for the actions of bad actors within it. I understand, though, in certain locations, the prevalence of evil may be distressful. Father Murphy has given GAFCON related bodies which have preserved the apostolic succession (line of historic connection) and apostolic faith. I am not fooled by the "inerrancy of scripture," which may be another way of saying, "My interpretation is the right one." What God has said, e.g. Jesus' teachings, may be inerrant or infallible, but not interpretations of them. One way to check is to find how controversial passages have been interpreted since apostolic times. I do not know about your husband's situation, but he may have had to stand his ground on something Jesus said, against clergy in the Church who departed from it. It has happened through time. If that were the case, he chose undoubtably the right course.

[@aubreyk.5927]

im convinced hes not inherently a devious figure, but a weak and willfully incompetent leader.

[@Elements795]

Nonsense. He’s devious.

[@louisecampbell2930]

At least Justin now has freedom to make friends with God instead of a business. I haven't met the spirit of Elijah there sadly....

[@lynneroberts3628]

Time to clean house.

[@simonallchin7436]

It would seem that these events are God’s judgement on the English Anglican Church : He has used non Christians to judge and bring down the leader , as he often used pagan nations to judge Israel in the O.T. when the leaders were unfaithful to his word ….

[@RevBrettMurphy]

That's a good take on the situation

[@emetahava]

British

[@Nu-Miss-Matic]

I hope he ends up in prison

[@russ254]

hear hear!

[@johnrogers5399]

Thank you Brett,.....One question.. If the Pupils at the School being ' shepherded' by the Lay Preacher were abused physically resulting in some having to wear ' diapers',plus horrendous bleeding wounds etc to their bodies, surely the teachers and masters of that school ( which I believe is a famous British Public School) would have noticed? Also,one should remember a previous Archbishop of Canterbury not investigating fully with the Police the abuses of those in an Anglican Community led by Bishop Peter Ball. Who also was on very good terms with the now King Charles3. The result of that neglect resulted in one of the ex Brothers of that Community committing suicide.

[@RevBrettMurphy]

There are many people to blame for turning a blind eye to this evil

[@aphroditeblighty]

If Welby was truly sorry, he would give up his honours himself. That won't happen.

[@DotBell-m6t]

You are right he has not got the backbone to do what is right after all he is a friend of Royalty

[@KarenLott-h1m]

He cared only about his own status. Edit to add, knighthood should be removed, along with any position of influence and his prnsion.

[@melodymacken9788]

When was he knighted ?

[@willowtree9291]

​@@melodymacken9788he wasn't.

[@lovesong252]

Thanks for the video. I left the Church of England about 18 months ago. It has let Christ and true believers down very badly. I wonder if Justin Welby and the pope are actually Freemasons. They both seem to believe in some kind of universalism and have been seriously undermining the gospel. I pray for both of there salvation before it's too late. I also wonder if the person who carried out the abuse had something over Justin Welby.

[@RevBrettMurphy]

I pray you've found a biblically faithful church home

[@lovesong252]

@@RevBrettMurphy thanks Brett. Yes I have - an evangelical church. I've also found a wider community of Christians that, like me, get out on the street and preach the Good News, share tracts, read the Gospel, sing, and prayer for those we encounter. I keep you, your church, and family in my prayers. It's great that you still have love for Justin Welby and those who made your life hard while in the C of E. Who was it who said "forgive them for they know not what they do"?

[@neivo1714]

Either they continue with their woke agenda and continue disintegrating into nothing, or they switch up and return to the faith. Either way, God wins.

[@lindasims7130]

Rish Sunak, a Hindu could have bee able to suggest who the next Archbishop would be. Have we become crazy?

[@jonpgale]

I wonder if the bishopette stood out on this in hope of getting the top job

[@RevBrettMurphy]

Likely so. Same reason Bishopette of Dover went very vocal right after he quit

[@puddled1]

I am of the opinion that Selby should have his knighthood removed. If this is possible I shall write to my MP re this matter.

[@RevBrettMurphy]

Write directly to the King too

[@ChrisElston-wk7vp]

Regarding his spiritual failure, no longer upholding Biblical teaching on marriage and family, the call to resign was appropriate; regarding his moral failure, not following up over Smythe, let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

[@dianastevenson131]

The abuser's name was John Smyth, not Jonathan Smith. I've read the full report on Anglican Ink and there was a sexual element on several occasions.

[@delinquentinparadise]

Get Welby gone ASAP. Undo everything he has ever done and ban him from church affairs entirely. You might then try to reclaim churchgoers just as long as perverts of every type, homosexuals included, are never allowed to sit in the house of God next to parishioners and their children again. Then, and only then, can you even begin to hope that people will return to their Church.

[@fulviocosta3308]

So sad that our leader are falling so low. I believe that the pope of Rome will follow similar faith

[@markandrewcook6513]

I’m so very sad

[@stevev238]

I honestly think that his resignation gives the Church of England a better chance of survival. Now he has gone there is the opportunity to get someone with the charisma to stay on message who connects with the people of the United Kingdom.

[@bigd5090]

Yes, unless the King gets to choose the next Archbishop, then it is the end of the CofE! The denomination is stuck in apostasy! God save the King!

[@davidellis655]

When you go unto York Minster, as you go in look up and behind you and you will see a row of statues if bishops, and none of the statues has a head. It was quite rightly symbolic that it is Jesus who is head of the church, not bishops. The statues are known as the headless bishops, but sadly the symbology is that the bishops no longer have their head, because they have turned their back in Him who died for them.

[@pompish]

I understand that Keir Starmer will appoint the next Archbishop? He's an atheist! I pray Mr. Welby comes to deep repentance but I have this inner feeling that in a few months time, he will turn up in some post in the U.N or Davos. I pray and hope I'm wrong.

[@RevBrettMurphy]

This is one of the great historical flaws of the CofE imho

[@royquick-s5n]

At one time prime ministers may have been expected to be members of the Church. Times have changed. The government, prime minister or king, should not be appointing bishops of the Church. To think that in the Early Church the clergy and laity of a diocese chose the bishop!

[@TuppenceHapeny]

I find it hard to believe Smythe was not getting off on some level from what he was doing. In my childhood, we had corporal punishment, nude swimming and heavy morality stuff. Times have changed. For all that, it was a very happy time, and we were poorer too.

[@Mark3ABE]

As far as I can make out, these camps were not run by the Church of England. They were run by a private Trust, which was more connected to the Public School system than to the Church of England, as such, although many Public Schools do regard themselves as vaguely in the nature of Church of England foundations - less so, these day, with so many non Christian pupils. John Smyth was not a clerk in holy orders, so was not under the disciplinary control of the Church of England. Then, there are suggestions that it was the responsibility of someone in the Church of England to ensure that the Police investigated Smyth’s behaviour, however, our Justice system does not work in that way. Only the parents of the boys concerned, or the boys themselves if they were of legal age, had any capacity to lodge a complaint with the Police. The parents of the boys might not have wanted their sons to be subject to the publicity of giving evidence in a Trial. They might not have been acting in the best interests of the public, but it was their decision, not the decision of anyone in the Church of England. What seems to have happened (I am assuming that what is posted on the internet is correct - it might not be - I have no personal knowledge) is that one of the Public Schools which was in the habit of sending its pupils to these camps (Winchester, I think - I may be wrong) got wind of the problem and discretely advised the parents against sending their sons to these camps again in the future. The word then spread around other Public Schools and the Trustees were obliged to wind up the camps, as boys stopped going to them. John Smyth then left for Zimbabwe where, I assume, he considered that it might be easier to resume his abusive behaviour. None of this was the direct responsibility in a formal way of anyone in the Church of England. Where Justin Welby comes into it is that he seems to have been involved in running these camps and even to have shared a bunk room with John Smyth on one occasion. So, it was his personal involvement that made him subject to criticism - in his official position, as Archbishop of Canterbury, he was not, directly, responsible for running these camps. Clearly, he had to go - just as Prince Andrew had to step down from public duties, even though he was not directly involved in running the prostitution ring with which (it is alleged - he has never formally admitted this) he had some involvement. It is perfectly correct to say that the Archbishop of Canterbury must be above reproach - however, there is no suggestion that he failed to carry out his duties as Archbishop of Canterbury correctly - what is alleged is that he was too much involved in camps where this abuse took place, even though he had no formal responsibility, in his ecclesiastical capacity, in respect of the running of the camps. It is important to try to gain some perspective - the Church of England has not, in fact, been running camps at which this sort of abuse took place. Just what responsibility should the Church of England have, as an institution, in respect of the behaviour of its lay (as opposed to its clerical) members? There must be some line drawn somewhere.

[@danmillar9582]

You are like the Vigano of the Anglican church!!! Calling out the wolves!!! Well done 😂

[@raychandler2757]

Where do the parental guardians of the victims fit in in terms of responsibility? Your son comes home with injuries?

[@Icarus410a]

Unless compelled to.

[@paulinetipper1351]

He forgot to read his Bible!!

[@RevBrettMurphy]

I have a friend who sent him one lol

[@GraemetheGuiriLordHaHa]

Smyth beating young men and boys while naked I think is a sexual element. The biggest outrage in Welby's tenure was his connivance with the p@edo9hile agenda of Peter Tatchell. Last year it was open. Symth is safe ground to take a stand on, the lack of a stand on Tatchell was truly appalling.

[@RevBrettMurphy]

Yes I meant there wasn't any rape involved I should have been more specific in my language sorry

[@archdeaconwebb]

Boy that’s a dramatic opening 😮

[@archdeaconwebb]

That was unnecessarily flippant. The whole episode is utterly disgusting and damning. That Christian leaders knew of these horrific events and covered up the harm done to so many is disgraceful. Sadly it’s all too easy to see how this can happen when position in a bureaucracy stifles conscience and integrity.

[@honahwikeepa2115]

Pastor Charles dropped the bong.

[@kenbeach5021]

_If any one refuses to obey what we say in this letter, note that man, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. Do not look on him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother._ The condemnation of Welby's failures as archbishop are fully justified, but the condemnation of him as a man is starting to get a little bit like 'I thank thee Lord I am not like Welby' in some quarters.

[@robmckay5421]

Looking at the 5 Mission Statements of the ACC [Anglican Consultative Council] there is a need for the CoE is to focus on the 4th Mission Statement: 4. 'To seek to transform unjust structures of society, to challenge violence of every kind and to pursue peace and reconciliation.' [unquote]. The Church needs to take an immediate action whenever sexual and violent abuse surfaces to their attention. We ought not to sweep such offences under the carpet and keep it a secret - the police need to be notified immediately and not some 10 years later. Clearly a serious crime was covered up.

[@littleboots9800]

The fact is, as hard as it is for us to imagine, there are many ppl who simply dont see the SA of minors as a very big deal. They begrudge what they see as an "over reaction" that forces them to pay lip service and say things they dont mean about understanding how traumatic with life long effects SA abuse is. They resent seeing friends and colleagues sacked, outed and arrested and see this as ruining the life of an otherwise good man who had an unfortunate predilection for minors. They dont say that of course, but its what they think. And that is why this continues to go on. If everyone felt like we do this would simply not happen. Welby, and those like him, even those who dont commit such acts themselves, simply dont understand the suffering this brings and don't care to learn. Such a shameful episode made worse by him clinging on to the bitter end until finally, he had no choice but to go.

[@mrpocock]

The last 3 Archbishops of the Anglican Church have been forced out directly or indirectly by presiding over an organisation that fundamentally prioritised the organisation over the safeguarding of people abused by members of their organisation. I will believe that the Anglican Church has changed when it shows me it has changed. When it is eager to pay any and all costs, both reputationally and monetarily, for responding to abuse, and ensuring abusers are brought to accountability. This is not just an Anglican problem, but it is an Anglican problem. What should we think of a Church that prioritises itself over the vulnerable?

[@georgehage3841]

Good! Wander what did will replace him!?

[@lindasims7130]

It would have been a Hindu if Rishi Sunak had still veen Ptrime Minister.

[@jeanedwards7835]

I can not believe the parents of these victims did not go directly to the police. I know if my son had been abused I would be shouting from the rooftops. I know it’s not my place to judge, I will leave that to our Lord.🙏

[@RevBrettMurphy]

Or paid Mr Smyth a visit.

[@dianastevenson131]

The Winchester School head should have gone to the police too, once he knew about it.