Arctic Passage - SEA POWER

[@Stealth17Gaming]

For members: Re-upload since last version video had an editing error in it.

[@maximghost7692]

Man, pls show the duel of VTOL carriers. A group of ships with Tarawa vs a group of ships with Kiev.

[@reefingmedic7537]

I’d have pushed farther out to sea I think. Make them come out and meet you on your terms and bunch all together.

[@mavor101]

It's also pretty unrealistic that a breakout convoy like this would be without at least one sub escort for forward scouting and such. Soviets at this time had a *lot* of shitty romeos and stuff that would usually be paired with their surface fleets. Even the worst subs are still very valuable for detecting enemy surface emissions and screw noises from a very decent range without being easy to spot by surface search radar and the like.

[@michaellee8071]

What I suspect happened with the Harpoon attacks: the Harpoon can fire in BOL (bearing only launch) mode, which means it flies to a predetermined spot, then activates its radar seeker and looks for a target. The Snogg corvettes could get a bearing on any of your ships that were using their radars, then relayed the bearing to the firing ships that were safely hidden on the far side of the island. Modern surface warfare is as much a game of hide and seek as submarine warfare.

[@johnnyenglish583]

That's a good point but aren't Harpoons limited to firing over the water in this mode? They're not cruise missiles and if they're fired from a surface ship, they won't just hop up to get over an island and then down again, I think.

[@SturmGewehr1944x]

Hi Stealth. My two cents... Figure out your threat axis. In this case, it was to the SE where those Harpoons were coming from. Your Nanutchkas are much like the enemy missile boats. Use them that way. Keep them scouting out front. In this case run them full speed at the Snoggs until you see them or they light up. As for the rest, the Kynda should be at the back of the threat axis with the bulk of her escorts arranged ahead of her along that axis. When things go hot, only the Kynda radiates. Yeah, she's the prime target, but since she has the best SAMs, well. But the enemy missiles have to overfly the other escorts to get there, giving much better odds for an intercept. Use only air search radar on Kynda. Use surface search only on other ships and only as needed.

[@taiko1237]

Note - the Kashin should have the same missiles as the Kynda, only two launchers instead of one. Also I'm not sure how much more capable the Volna SAMs mounted on the Kynda and the Kashin (first-generation SAMs, equivalent to the NATO Terrier) are than the Osas on at least one of the Nanuchkas and the Krivak.

[@davidwhitfield6025]

Really the Norwegians should have at least one if not more Kobben Class Subs as well. The RNN had 15 of these subs in the 80s and really where else would they be operating if not as pickets defending the Norwegian coastline and Sea? Glad to hear you will be flipping the roles. I think it would be interesting to play as the Norwegians. Must admit I was rooting for the Vikings! Can't see how one little Russian ship getting through is going to be any threat by itself. Anything less than three ships getting through should be considered a defeat personally.

[@CanadianDolphinSurf]

One corvette with zero interceptors and anti ship missiles going out into the Atlantic is hilarious to me.

[@floydlooney6837]

In a time of war, yep

[@taiko1237]

It's an antisubmarine warfare ship, mostly designed for coastal escort and the like. If it's going out into the Atlantic, it would be accompanying a task force with considerable air defense capability... as is the case here.

[@CanadianDolphinSurf]

@@taiko1237 The only surviving ship in the task force is a corvette with 0 missiles left. It going out into the atlantic by itself is funny to me.

[@taiko1237]

@@CanadianDolphinSurf ah, I thought you were referring to sending it out into the Atlantic in the first place

[@Kamitorrorga]

Im personally of the mind that you should try this scenario again with the lessons taken from this.

[@Lankygit01]

am i the only one who expected stealth to say "unlike Ultimate admiral dreadnaughts" when he mentioned that the ships had collision avoidance

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Hehe. Tempting

[@advorak8529]

But they have collision avoidance in UA:D. It may even work at times. Phase of the Moon and all that. UA:D just has many more vessels in much smaller spaces and … well, these ships here are in the ‘80, and the ones in UA:D may be in the 1880s …

[@neilharbott8394]

When your missiles are heat seakers - having a boat on fire is an huge decoy!

[@papatango2362]

30:26 the radar horizon of a radar mounted 60ft above sea level is 9.5nm. Detecting them at 12 is somewhat generous for you compared to what the actual formula is. Radar horizon is due to curvature of the Earth and the target being “below the curvature” at a certain distance. The way to mitigate this is to mount radar high up like an AWACS.

[@ironwolf6849]

Should it not go both ways then? How are they able to detect him if they are so far away with such tiny radars?

[@advorak8529]

But radar horizon - as you calculate it - is against targets *at sea level*. Remember in the days of tall ships, a watch near the top of the mast would often see sails of other ships but not the hull. Same thing here.

[@drakron]

@@ironwolf6849 Because how radar works, it emits radiation in a pulse and its easier to find the source of the radiation that to turn on your radar and look for it, this aint new as U-Boats have then way back in WWII and why in combat you dont turn on your own radar. If you have multiple ships in diferent locations you can easily triangulate the source since each ship will have a bearing were the pulse is coming from and its simply see were the lines intersect, then its good old see were its moving and now you have its speed and course.

[@skynlab2478]

" ALL BATTLESTATIONS WEAPONS FREE " at the moments of the first combat your fleet should be at that level

[@Paveway-chan]

You can't be running Weapons free all the time, that'd mean they will shoot at anything and that might include neutral freighters

[@Stealth17Gaming]

No they'd shoot hostile contacts.

[@skynlab2478]

@@Paveway-chan yes but for sure but you are in combat situation, if a ship don’t call out the request for information it’s a tough Situation and can be hostile.. and you have to put a danger zone around your fleet

[@whale2870]

It's a bit funny and perhaps initially confusing that the ROE settings aren't like in real life and a bit like everything is one level down, with actual Weapons Free not existing.

[@ytsks]

There is absolutely no way to approach so close to norways coast in 1980 without eating a bunch of penguins....

[@keithjacobson9427]

I think either pushing out farther to sea, or going deeper into the fjords are things to try, but not having a unit with a helicopter to spot for the Russians made this very hard. Especially considering given as close to the Norwegian coast the Russians were operating, the likelihood of Norwegian air assets spotting you would have been likely.

[@havocsquad1]

Shogg class corvette with some super Norwegian ship cloaking technology. I'm totally surprised that the US does not have it.

[@Harte74]

Shogg? Do you mean the Snøgg?

[@drakron]

The Snøgg-class missile torpedo boat had a length of 36 m (119 ft) so these were very small, also the US doesnt have then for a simple reason ... ships this small have no real endurance, range or even the ability to operate in heavy seas so they are great if you are only defending your coastline, the USN is a blue sea navy and so such ships would be in the Coast Guard. To compare, the Independence-class is 127 m (418 ft) so these were about 1/4 their size.

[@Henoik]

As a Norwegian I for some reason feel disappointed every time I see a Norwegian flag-bearing ship go down :( Poor countrymen

[@adamtruong1759]

Interesting scenario, I'm curious how much of a difference even a single helo could've made. Also, considering how dangerous this area is I wonder if the Soviets would've provided something like a Slava Cruiser to protect the entire force. Not sure how feasible counter launches over the Fjords would've been.

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Definitely would have been a big help.

[@irspider]

There were only 4 cruisers of the 1164 type (I was on one of them). Each fleet had one. They were flagships and had to provide their air defense to ensure the stability of the ship formations. A formation was, for example, 15 1135s, i.e. a division at that time. But they would have managed this scenario themselves, even without the 1164.

[@adamtruong1759]

@@Stealth17Gaming I have to say, more I watch this game, the more I feel like I can't imagining playing it without helo support.

[@adamtruong1759]

@@irspider Yeah.. I'm sorry, I haven't gone down the rabbit hole of Soviet cold-war naval history/ designs yet, so those numbers mean nothing to me.

[@rawnukles]

Yeah, I think what I would have done differently is not bring a fleet with out recon. Helicopters or long range patrol planes. It just seems unrealistic to have long range missile carriers that need spotters, alone with out spotters.

[@yourfriend8052]

You used the ships in your fleet that lack any sort of defense as pickets, are you surprised you lost?

[@SYNtemp]

At the same time, those ships were the only ones with useable anti-ship missiles... those "big boys" with minimum range of 20+ miles are useless without aerial component :(

[@AdurianJ]

Norway was one of the founding partners of the Sea Sparrow naval sam program to get a low cost surface to air missile for small warships. And i think the Oslo class is the smallest warship that carried Sea Sparrow.

[@kinsmart7294]

Definately would have started shooting counter missiles at the axis of the ones fired at you

[@ElGordodeAlemana]

I don't know if it's just me but it seems missile defense is much more effective when the opposing side is defending.

[@ObsydianShade]

Better SAMs. These are old systems, more or less equivalent to the American Tartar, the predecessor to the SM-1.

[@DarkFire515]

Pretty sure that most of those late cold war Soviet missile cruisers were designed to get long range targeting data from Tu-142 patrol aircraft. Does the game have the option for that sort of datalinked targeting? How would I deal with this objective? Depends on the theatre situation but roughly from the start, assuming Soviet initiated hostilities: massive cruise missile attack on Norway to knock out their EWR and naval assets. Follow that with immediate invasion of Iceland. If successful, station massive ASW assets on Iceland. Following that, attempt to clear the GIUK gap of NATO subs and allow the Northern Banner Fleet to break out in to the Atlantic via the Denmark Strait to interdict REFORGER convoys with support from Tu-142 long range patrols.

[@ryanpayne7707]

17:46: Wasn't that how Russia got banned from the Suez Canal during the Russo-Japanese war? 18:33: Ground clutter. The missiles are getting tons of electronic noise from it that are making it difficult for them to track their targets. 22:25: AGM-119 Penguin. Its a relatively short range, helicopter launched ASM. Fast as it uses a rocket motor as opposed to a turbofan, but lacks the range of most ASMs. Stealth, all you need to do is spin this the right way. I saw 100% perfect Russian missile defense. After all, all incoming ASMs were destroyed. LOL

[@taiko1237]

I don't see how a single Penguin SSM hit could destroy a Kashin-class destroyer, unless it like, detonated the torpedoes or something?

[@RemusKingOfRome]

Great video, Norway have tough fighters. :D You made a mistake sending out the flank guards, they could not defend themselves.

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Lol. Sometimes people say "hey! You should send a ship forward as a picket!". Now I sent a picket forward and I'm getting "You made a mistake sending out the flank guards, they could not defend themselves.". You guys are hilarious.

[@Shogun0099]

@@Stealth17Gaming Okay, it's a little more complicated than that. 1: Don't send ships towards the shore, there's shore batteries there which you can't do anything about 2: if you're sending out multiple pickets, keep them close to one another so they can cover each other with missiles and CIWS EDIT: Actually there's another thing with radar pickets specifically, you don't want them to be sent towards the enemy, but instead on a perpendicular course, as otherwise you still end up giving away the *direction* in which your main fleet is, which ASMs can easily work with (as you saw in this scenario, where missiles were launched at your corvettes and then once they went past them they locked onto your main fleet) Of course if there *are* enemies towards where you sent that picket then that picket is still probably dead, but it elevates 'certain death' to 'probable death'

[@ironwolf6849]

@@Shogun0099 How is it possible to NOT pick up shore batteries? If you can be detected and fired upon, surely you can triangulate where it came from and return fire?

[@Shogun0099]

@@ironwolf6849 1: you need something to return fire *with*, which ships in Sea Power don't have beyond guns, which don't really help much against missile launchers. 2: Typically when they launch all you know is which direction they fired from (based on the missile trajectory), not exactly how deep into land it is which means you can't accurately return fire.

[@RemusKingOfRome]

@@Stealth17Gaming I would have tightened up my formation and moved offshore, away from the land, force them to come out.

[@coranova9354]

at this point I wonder if main gun flak has shot down any missiles or plane over the last 10 vids at all, main worker are CIWS and AA missiles.

[@TheRealSteve42]

You should be putting your ships in high speed manuever patterns when missiles are fired on them. Multiple reasons, 1, Harpoons are simply fired on your known position relayed by a forward unit. They don’t actually see you until they’re relatively close, which means, you may be able to manuever outside of their radar cone if you do it as soon as you spot them. The other reason is Harpoons are not very manueverable, they can actually be fooled by last minute “jukes” from small patrol boats. Large ships not so much, but it should still help the situation a little bit. Overall, not having your ships travel in an exact straight line and making slight unpredictable adjustments can be enough to have someone send Harpoons out to the wrong spot. Also, changes in speed can help too, which changes the amount of lead the missile needs to hit.

[@tremendousbaguette9680]

I'd have bunched up my defenses. You don't have any air assets for recon and as soon as you fire up your ship's radars, you become instantly borg spotted and missiles start flying your way from all directions. That's just how it goes.

[@jbeckley6849]

Stealth caused this incident to occur. Sailing within 12 NM of Norway shoreline makes his ships a valid target.

[@Stealth17Gaming]

In the mission editor I actually measured the 12 NM outside off of the coast. I was not in Norwegian national waters.

[@jbeckley6849]

@@Stealth17Gaming Including when you moved your picket ships down towards the fjords?

[@Stealth17Gaming]

@@jbeckley6849 Yes

[@lrmunro]

To justify the need to hug the coast, perhaps you could do a version of the scenario where there’s a NATO fleet to your north and maybe you’re trying to get the task force back home and avoid the fleet to the north. You could then have to make a call as to how far north or south to risk sailing. Being a bit further north gives you a bit more protection from the coast, but increases the risk of being caught by the nato fleet.

[@stevepirie8130]

The second type of ASM were Penguin’s I think with IR seeker. They can be fired and programmed with a dog leg journey to prevent accurate revenge fire on a back bearing.

[@tugger6223]

stay in Range for the Missles! got it Boss !!!

[@simonallen4791]

From what I can tell your fleet is north of Banak airfield is this about right? If so you had 3 airbases about 500 kms from your SAG. possible you could of added fighter+ support (Mig 23). of course same goes for Norway wither Starfighters, Freedom Fighters, possibly F-16s. I definatly think some maritime recon + electronic warfare (minimum) would have been available to you

[@SturmGewehr1944x]

Hi again, You may have thought of this already, but since you ask for suggestions, it would be cool if you saved the scenario at the start so you could replay them using those suggestions. See how the commentators do. That could be interesting.

[@darkfox2076]

I'd have used the fjords and the landmass to mask my task force from radar. Plus it would of made it harder for the missiles to track the battle group. Great episode

[@Arks1103]

Nice one there, i am not so sure how the radar on the Kynda and the Krivak - I did not pick up the ships since they carry the upgraded one, or I may be wrong.

[@holz2564]

I dont understand 😂😂😂

[@rawnukles]

Well, the earth isn't flat. So I guess the Kynda radar mast is about 30 m high. Which means, it can see about 20 km or 11 N.miles. The small missile boat would be a few metres high so that about sounds right for line of sight at 15 N.miles. I don't know much about naval radars but they probably do need a line of sight. That's why sea skimming missiles are a thing.

[@toadsilverstone4193]

Interesting. Some of the vessels have got physical damage models while others have not. As to the scenario would be interesting to see the behind the scenes and what could and was shooting at you. Where were those harpoons launching from?

[@jackcarelli]

Was the last picket radar covered by the chaffs of the first two, therefore losing track of the enemy? That would be an amazing attention to detail.

[@rebbull11b]

This is an unrealistic situation from the Russian perspective. Soviet Doctrine called for overwhelming numerical and fire power superiority. The missile boats were able to get mission kill on your squadron because they were able to sink your ships and cause you to expend most of your interceptors with no avenue of resupply. You started out within range of the missile boats. As the commander I would have stayed farther out to sea.

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Next time I'll put up a video of ships just sailing for 30 minutes, encountering no resistance. Will make for fantastic video. Scenarios can't be realistic all the time because it will make for boring videos.

[@rebbull11b]

I understand your need for interesting content and do an appreciate what you make. If you had the Soviets heading east as if they are returning from a successful convoy raiding mission and have to hug the coast do to submarine threat it would be more realistic situation. Please keep making scenarios. I do enjoy and look forward to the content.

[@mavor101]

@@Stealth17Gaming Is the time compression performance in Sea Power that bad?

[@ryanhampson673]

I think going further north and then moving directly south into the area might help.. Also once you were attacked you kept your radar on. While true they knew you were there if you went EMCON it might have made it a little more difficult to get a direct bearing on your location. The ships that were using radar were hit first and it was a good possibility they only saw those ships further south. as soon as you turned on all radars they got confirmation where the rest of the fleet was.

[@redgriffindiver7740]

Good video. Thanks again. Closer formation for mutual defense. Krivak should be able to use SSN-14 in anti-ship mode but it's short range. Nice to see the Harpoons working against the Soviets for a change. Weak point of US Navy is we never had a supersonic surface to surface missile in the cold war. You need a lot, a whole lot, of Harpoons against a Kirov or Slava because of SA-N-6.

[@ДушманКакдела]

Yo stealth, do a "Thunder Run" mission where you are ONLY in command of a squadron of F4C providing top cover for F105's on a strike into N. Vietnam. Showcase SAM sites, AA, and N.Vietnamese MiGs

[@JustJohn505]

This would be very epic ^

[@ReallyMrDarcy]

Think it would always be tricky without an aircraft/recon. Can't imagine this without at least a few helicopters from the Soviet side.. Also too much distance between the ships, I think.

[@JFNelson18]

How customizable is the RNG in the mission editor for Rules of engagement? like, could you set up a scenario of an American SSN keeping tabs on missile subs in the Barents Sea and have it randomized when or if you get orders to go weapons hot?

[@danieljohn560]

I’m gonna be so bad at this game. I can’t wait!

[@Lord_air0]

You should make a scenario set during the 50s or 60s and see if you can use historically accurate ships and aircraft

[@yoonseongdo3303]

Poor decisions all around. Sending small ships with no air defense, blaring with radar, into coastline where you know there are missile boats is just sending them to suicide. Having them separated served absolutely no purpose. But most importantly heading to objective in a straight line, remaining very close to coastline was the worst mistake. Losing a fleet of 6 ships to couple of missile boats. What a shame

[@TheRealCanadian_831]

If at all possible could you make a video of all the ships and their weapons. Please

[@astronomicaldreamscape6156]

Would love to see you redo this scenario, I think you could win this with the experience you have gained 👌

[@theminorityshack7071]

Love these missions again man! Enjoying them, would be cool to kinda see a multi scenario campaign in the future!

[@Stealth17Gaming]

A dynamic campaign will be part of the full game. A multi mission scenario is possible to make now. I'll see what I can make

[@dtw8446]

Learning in real time why nobody attempts naval operations near shore without air superiority.

[@M551_Sheridan]

I would suggest replacing the krivak 1 with a krivak 2 because the krivak 2 has the rastrub asm

[@taiko1237]

This is what as known as 'pining for the fjords'

[@georgea5991]

Iirc, Penguins are a predominant IR tracked missile, with no other real guidance, so chaff is usually sufficient. They can also be fired by a lot of different NATO platforms. You should try to load them on a helo next time you play as NATO. It'd be interesting if it gave you the option.

[@nieljosephpalca7849]

For fleet air defense, I think it would be better to use line-compact formation.

[@matthewcaughey8898]

Go farther out to sea and force the Norwegians to come to you over open water where you’ve got the edge.

[@AdurianJ]

Penguins going for chaff is not right they have an IR seeker so the ships need to use flares. But i suppose chaff is the placeholder for that

[@dennisbeckmann3032]

This Game ist so beautiful, cant wait to get my hands in it. Please continue the good Work with your Videos about it. 👍

[@polishpepe239]

You got obliterated was not expecting it.

[@YukarisGearReviews]

Dude has taken frightful losses in practically every scenario so far and you didn't see this coming?

[@polishpepe239]

@@YukarisGearReviews not this much i had no time to watch all of them

[@ilovenavalgames1988]

Hey Stealth It honourable not to sink fishing boats but in the worst case these fishing boats are the first nail to the coffins for your ships. One info from the real life: All our FPB´s from Germany, Denmark, Sweden and Norway have had an unofficial UHF working channel. We all used this channel to buy fresh catched fish from the fishing boats in the Baltic Sea. We called them on this channel, we went alongside and bought fresh fish and we paid with our duty-free whisky, vodka and cigarettes. It was wonderful to eat fresh fish and not the normal navy provision. Cigarettes and alcohol were incredibly expensive in the Scandinavian countries. The fishing boats called us on the same channel when they needed our help and avoided UHF channel 16 (international calling and emergency channel) that not all can listen what they want. But anyway, do you believe that the fishing boats will sit quiet when they know that you as bad Russian Navy will sink their navy? Of course not, they will warn their own navy ships that you are coming. Neutral ships were not existing at that time. All contacts were hostile or assumed hostile from the beginning until we have had better info. Better policy is: First shooting, then asking! I would stay away from the coast with my ships because the small FPB´s can hide very well in the fjords. I would try to stay away so far as possible from the coast and let them come out to find you and to meet them on your conditions. If you are lucky then they will switch on their radars and you can find them much better. Generally, you switch on your radar still too early. The Norwegian boats needed only your radar emission to launch the anti-ship missile. This is a so-called bearing only launch (BOL). Try to sail in a so-called diamond formation (anti air formation) with your ships and set one of your FPB´s in front of the formation, a couple of nautical miles of the main diamond formation. Hopefully your own FPB will make visually contact to enemy ships in front of you. Maybe you will lose the FPB but hopefully you can respond with your main formation to sink the enemy. All in all, I like your videos and I can’t wait to see more of them.

[@mitchell33212]

Another great mission Stealth, would be really cool to see a feature in the mission editor where say in this mission if you lose 3 or 4 ships the objective changes to a retreat to a friendly area. Just a thought, thanks for the video

[@Stealth17Gaming]

I might be able to set that up as a trigger actually.

[@thepirate6211]

Smaler ships further ahead of the main group

[@fortheemylordibringpancake3754]

Any chance for you making a mission that contains a land assault? I’d love to see SEAD in action.

[@Skytub3lp]

I'm so excited for this game, can't wait for release :(

[@Train115]

You used the missile boats too sparingly, they are *very* good at walloping then disappearing. I would've kept the SKR-106 closer in formation and used the missile boats as a screen, I also would've kept the core fleet further from the shore. Your missile boats are your strongest asset in this situation, their maneuverability and small signature give you an edge on the Norwegian missile boats; and even that corvette they had. You strike with them, then pull them back, strike and pull back. Once youre out of missiles use them just for spotting or pull them back to bolster the AA. Ik we probably cant change ships, but: I would've taken Tarantuls instead of Nanuchkas, they have two AK-630s, an AK-176, a quad FAM-14 Strela 2 missile launcher, and chaff. They'd be much better at defending the fleet, especially with their higher speed of 42 knots, they trade this more flexible role for two of the missile tubes; they only carry four SS-N-2 Styx (P-15 Termit) missiles, but if you have two of them you should be able to ration them effectively.

[@Stealth17Gaming]

You can definitely swap out Nanuchkas for Tarantuls if you want. Depends on how easy you want to make the scenario. You can swap them out for Kirovs if you want easy mode

[@VonMed]

Ngl since the hauks fire penguins i would put the SKR out front to spew out proximity shells

Why are the Penguins spoffed by chaff? It’s a IIR missile.

[@adityayusuf5671]

27:08 yessirrrr

[@eibolsoe]

Your surface search radars can't really see further than the horizon, which is about 15nm out for 10m tall targets.

[@wastelander89]

I would love to see the rbu 6000 or rbu 1000 in action at some point. I've seem them in a movie and they look so cool when launching

[@irspider]

When repelling an anti-ship missile attack, the use of RBUs ​​was considered rational. Allegedly, their explosions are capable of deceiving the missile homing head. I don’t know how much this would have worked in reality; there were many strange ideas in those years.

[@NetRiderMarcus]

Cant wait for the Game reales ❤

[@billclarke5916]

You waited far too long to get the Nanuchka's SSN-9's away, as soon as you detected the first harpoon, you should have launched at those Snoggs. And, your forces were too spread out, you should have had them all in a tight formation to maximize your individual ships survival chances.

[@larsgulbrandsen9441]

Since Norway has never had Harpoons, what other Nato ships did you include in your scenario?

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Some Pegasus

[@ironmanhowes8200]

all of the ships in the fleet have sonar turned on passive by default because there is no downside to turning it on. It is such a no brain idea that the game doesn't even give you the option. Also the VDS on the Krivak doesn't need to be active

[@thetalkingbear]

I was attending Elementary school in 1980.

[@mausklick1635]

Any particular reason to sail so close to the shore?

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Scenario reasons. I wanted to make it a challenge. Of course it would be safer to be 60-100 miles away from the shore but then you'd be looking at a video of ships just sailing for 30 minutes. Wouldn't be very interesting.

[@ChazAldrin]

What game recorder do you use?

[@Stealth17Gaming]

OBS

[@xv.luc1d]

Damn I love your intros

[@AFNacapella]

so it's a Fokin escort mission...

[@Stealth17Gaming]

I saw what you Fokin did.

[@Di3Leberwurst]

@8:00 are you sure it isn't a japanese torpedo boat?

[@advorak8529]

Are we near the Dogger Bank?

[@tyrehead]

Penguin missiles!

[@warmstrong5612]

You are playing way too cautious as the Soviets. Their best defense is their heavy offense, lean in to that. Keep the Americans on the back foot reacting to you and not the other way round.

[@Bot101101]

Please stop calling SAMs ”interceptors”. Interceptor missiles are ABMs, anti-ballistic missiles, primarily used against ICBMs.

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Ok

[@snigie1]

Weapons free next time!

[@Malcalore]

Norway Stronk 💪

[@kineuhansen8629]

russian navy vs fishing boats irl the fishing boats would win

[@Kiwoeoe]

Damn, that formation gave me a stroke... no hate, but the whole scenario makes little sense. What I mean is, your task is to get the whole group across, and you aren’t even engaged yet, but you position your 'less valuable' ships in a way they’ll get clapped. Already not commited to the task which you got ordered to. Instead, you should make a tight formation so they cover each other more effectively. And you realized that the Volkin was way to far away to guard the ships yet you have done nothing to change that.

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Not supposed to be a realistic scenario. Realistic would be to sail much farther away. I can record that and you can see 30 mins of ships sailing past. Great video material.

[@Kiwoeoe]

@@Stealth17Gaming understandable

[@stavrogin023]

Go Norway!

[@TheHorzabora]

Why didn’t you just return fire directly down the incoming track? Sorry, I try not to be critical - backseat gaming and all - but unless NATO was hiding it’s missile corvettes in among civilian ships, you were clearly in range of something, and soviet missiles - some of them anyway - are surprisingly smart.

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Should have done that

[@TheHorzabora]

@@Stealth17Gaming ⁠it’s a hard mission, as some of your ‘picket’ ships mount some of your best hard hitting weapons that don’t have a minimum range that is… slightly crippling for risking them as pickets, as you found 😂 You were right about the need for a picket, but anything sent out as a picket to a workable distance is probably going to be outside of the range of the battlegroups collective defences. So really you have one picket corvette and you could probably put the ASW ship(s) as the second inner picket, then keep the Kynda in the rear of the formation, the missile corvettes (with their reduced minimum range) up front. Also, saturate defences if you can - I know it’s hard in Sea Power currently as the ships fire kinda whenever they feel like it/their missile launcher/guidance links are free. But three missiles on a single target is much more likely to get a kill. Because each enemy ship only has (usually, at this period of history) 1 or 2 AA missile guidance links. Which is what determines your opponents (and your own) ability to defend. So you overwhelm that, if you can. That’s what I understand of ‘real world’ Soviet naval tactics based entirely on reading Tom Clancy and many years of wargaming, anyway :-)

[@akd8525]

Well, it seems they are firing over that island with their Harpoons, which I’m not even sure you should be able to do (I know even early Harpoons could be given a mid-course waypoint, but not sure they could navigate over land). Counterfire down the bearing with your own active-homing SSMs should have the same issue.

[@Funds45]

awesome sauce

[@meatsakiiakeno]

oh well 9th comment . thats fine. but gah damn i love this stuff!! keep goin god am i excited for sea power AND Jealous because i dont have it :sob:

[@maciekszyszka9654]

Incorrect formation.

[@fromhelltocell]

I don't understand why all you uploaders play zombie fleet? Most of that surface units you're playing here are already submarines...

[@j6moon15]

man, every intro i think you're going to rhyme. it's always so close.. and then you just.. don't.. auugh