Hunters Or Hunted? - SEA POWER

[@mattheweccleshall5209]

RBU-6000 can be used to engage the torpedos like how you can engage ASMs with AA missles.

[@MrFireSpy]

I find that a very cool thing you can do.

[@neilharbott8394]

He had weps on-hold, should have been at least tight, then they would have autofired the torps.

[@Stealth17Gaming]

@@mattheweccleshall5209 Didn't know that. Cool!

[@jeremyaudet3810]

from what I've seen and understand about the RBU weapon system it's basically a Russian\Soviet hedgehog system

[@XMysticHerox]

Staying on weapons hold there and not intercepting the torpedoes made this a lot more difficult than it had to be ^^ Pretty sure you could also have used those torpedo carrying missiles to instantly drop some torpedoes on the enemy once you triangulated their rough position.

[@KiyoDude1]

Dude, the Krivak has anti-submarine missiles, you didn't even see that

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Yes. Sorry. Recorded this during one of the first times playing the game

[@Paveway-chan]

@@Stealth17Gaming If you'd like advice on what to do, a good recommendation is to not be conservative with your own torps. Especially if you feel like a ship is about to die, you may as well spread its torpedoes out, and maybe you'll at least spook the sub into doing something silly. And submarines can't shoot while moving at high speed, so if you're forcing it to maneuver violently, you have a window of opportunity to close in for depth charge attacks

[@mabinogion7023]

The ssn14s are long range asw weapons that are a missile carrying a torpedo. The krivak has them. .

[@mabinogion7023]

The big 4 tube launcher on the bow.

[@mabinogion7023]

It will drop the torp which searches at the impact zone

[@TheCaptainbeefylog]

Sprint and drift works best if at least one ship is drifting and listening while the other/s sprint to the new position. This way at least one ship is always listening under best circumstances.

[@rambojohn272727]

Im not sure if you mentioned this, but I think when you are dodging torpedoes with noise makers, you need to go full ahead flank at a 90 degree angle to the torpedo, drop a couple of noise makers while on that bearing, then turn all the way around and slow down to at least half speed, and slow down more the closer it gets in order to lower your ship noise compared to the noise makers. Once the torpedo passes you, turn back towards the sub at half speed and slowly increase speed the further away you are from the torpedo. When you are advancing, you can go full ahead flank at a 15 degree angle to the target, then after about 2 to 5 min, drop a noise maker, turn 30 degrees the other direction and drop speed to half to fool the sub into thinking your still going the other direction.

[@theannoyinghistorian1812]

I was waiting for you to figure out the rbu-6000 can be used against torpedoes. You did not 😢

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Sorry, didn't know

[@iplaygames8090]

one thing that likely didnt help your ships evade the torpedoes was the fact they were still banging around with their active sonars

[@FlyMysticalDJ]

I know this was an early game for you stealth, but it’s hard not to facepalm at your mistakes. Can’t wait to see newer footage with you using the lessons you’ve learned.

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Yes

[@havocsquad1]

Fire to force sub(s) to evade and use one ship as a decoy to pull the torpedoes away from other ships. Operating like the RBU won't save you will likely bring a better outcome.

[@liquidgoose1518]

So this is how reverse Cold Waters looks like

[@sergejsroze3284]

At least no helicopters were lost this time. "BPK" in on the ships description means "ASW cruiser" or "ASW destroyer", depending on the size

[@rare_kumiko]

I know it's a hard mission but bro use your Silex missiles, use your RBU-6ks against torpedoes...

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Does that work? Using RBUs against torpedoes?

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Does that work? Using RBUs against torpedoes?

[@jxggfz8731]

@@Stealth17Gaming yes it does saw other creators use them against torps

[@rare_kumiko]

@@Stealth17Gaming Yep, they're actually kinda OP and are pretty reliable at destroying torps.

[@Stealth17Gaming]

@@rare_kumiko OK cool. Definitely doing that in new recordings

[@JefferyTheriault]

Note for future, the 4 missle launcher on the foredeck are asw torp delivering missiles.

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Thanks!

[@christophartemis5223]

loving the sea power content recently, Keep up the good work!

[@edbrook7088]

As amusing as it is to see an SSN go to town on a bunch of unsuspecting skimmers, some things you missed (that im sure other people have already pointed out): -the RBUs can be used to engage torpedoes. while not perfect since it's not really what they were designed for, it's more effective than doing nothing -the Krivak is equipped with 4 SS-N-14 Silex Anti-ship/Anti-submarine missiles that fly to a point and drop a torpedo there, just like a helicopter (although without the sonar). in the first playthrough when you had a rough idea of the sub's position, you could've dropped a couple of those on it, and in the last mission when you were out of torpedoes -the traditional thing to do in ASW upon detection of a torpedo is to snapshot one of your torpedoes down the bearing of the enemy torpedo. it's like an automatic response in the event of detecting a torpedo

[@rjc3095]

Lookouts on the sail while the subs underwater @37.28 lol

[@DecidedlyNinja]

They are the most determined sailors and stick to their station no matter what!

[@worldscar6422]

People here are rude af when they talk about the stuff stealth missed. Give him a break this is literally the 3rd video he’s dropped on this, ya’ll cannot be grown adults.

[@katrinapaton5283]

As mentioned elsewhere RB6000s can be used to take out torpedoes. Another option Ive seen work is to pop a noisemaker, alter course and stop engines.

[@totdos]

Just a nitpick, its not a conning tower, its a sail. No submarine after the 1950s were built with conning towers once the attack controls got moved into the sub control room.

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Ok thanks

[@imakefoodhappen8190]

Unless it's a British submarine. Then it's called the fin, and the area where the OOW and observers were standing is called the bridge. While we're nitpicking ;)

[@liquidgoose1518]

And unless it’s a Soviet/Russian submarine where it’s still called a tower (without “conning”, “рубка” in Russian) Technically, you should call it a “fencing for extendable devices” (no joke) but nobody does that

[@thurqs1938]

love your stuff man, and how your learning about the game and naval warfare right along us. hope we become seasoned armchair naval commanders by the playing the game!

[@warmstrong5612]

Using the weapons free setting will allow the various unit to show you how different weapons may be used. RBU's are both offensive & defensive for example.

[@Samio1994]

That AO ( Area of Operation) is a home of Russian Northern Fleet with many SSN's and even 9 SSBN's (Delta IV and Borei class). Also handfull of ASW surface vessels. Just a fun fact.

[@taiko1237]

a 'BPK' is (if I remember correctly) a 'large anti-submarine warship', so something like a Udaloy-class destroyer or a Kashin-class destroyer or maybe a bigger guided-missile cruiser like a Kresta or Kara class. All of these save for some Kashins would carry helicopters.

[@georgea5991]

Good fights. Idk how accurate the Mk48's are supposed to be, but noisemakers may not fool the operator behind the wire. After the wire, it can still track, but easier to fool. Your idea about a preemptive torp launch was a good one. That's definitely a form for counter battery fire. I'd suggest next time only have one ship pinging active, and once you find a faint signal, go active in another ship to reduce ambiguity, if there is any. The third ship should be further away and read to go in for the kill. Active sonar is a magnet for subs and their torps. Again though, idk how accurate the game will get.

[@KimLind]

I m happy/glad that u keep doing more of Sea Power, feel some need to thirst for more, LOL. U are more active then other that got the game before nov - 24. So greatful for your effort. Yeah some rusty english from a swedish dude that dont speek so much english as in school.

[@nickdubil90]

I'm not sure exactly how SP models it, but I know in CMANO/Command for instance, passive ships can pick up the reflections of a an active ship's sonar search. So in theory you could have a closer, passive listening ship with better sonar, and a somewhat further-away active ship banging away from a different angle, and pick up the enemy closer to your own detection range that way.

[@DyingCr0w]

No way to know to what extent the simulation goes, at this point, but why not? In this situation with no helicopters, go into line formation to mask the noise of numbers. Ping once, wait, ping many, turn perpendicular to the predicted sub's position, switch to column formation. Drop a torpedo or 2, go flank for a minute. Bluffing tactics. Maybe the sub will make a mistake. Slow down and drop the towed array. No ship's propellers will get in the way then.

[@HGShurtugal]

Aren't torpedoes supposed to be under keel detonation un this time period?

[@MichelVaillancourt]

Always advance in a zig-zag ... steering straight makes it easy to plot the torp "active" distance.

[@cwherls1]

dropping noisemakers early just confirms your exact location. wait until you need them

[@edhikurniawan]

The torpedo bait was brilliant.

[@rawnukles]

Pause the movie babe, another Stealth17 Sea power video just dropped .

[@warmstrong5612]

Try copying what these ships do in Cold Waters as a start. Grisha's sprint ahead weapons free while the Krivak hangs back using its standoff weapons to prosecute any contacts found by the escorts. The Krivak is the hunter and the Grisha's are its hounds. Also try not to bunch up or have the ships form a line in relation to the target.

[@ThePanzerMain]

The torpedos are listening for sound if you would have popped noisemakers deceased your speed went evasive and turned of you sonar on the ships that were being tracked they could have dodged more torpedoes but still live the gameplay

[@sternthomas4218]

There is an "encyclopidia?" (encyclopedie) where you can see the info on different ships, and there weapons. You can pull this up durring a mission.

[@LordWiggle]

A 'click' is a km, not a nmi. The range of a mk48 is 24 or 31 nmi, depending on the speed settings.

[@Steinn0808]

Why do you rule from the ships rather than torpedo when gueesing where sub is?

[@XMysticHerox]

If you intercept the ship and torpedo with the ruler then you get the assumed bearing of the submarine that launched them. Get two of those lines intersecting and you have a possible position. Of course they are wire guided so it's not guaranteed but the AI did not seem to be using that capability.

[@Steinn0808]

@@XMysticHerox thx good sir

[@dmyers4243]

have you thought that maybe a Z-Zag formation approach may make the job harder for that sub? I can't wait to try this game. thanks for the content.

[@ambassadorofreee3859]

I see no return fire that should be pretty high on your priority list

[@rawnukles]

Not gonna lie. Kinda painful watching you miss the fact that your best weapon by far is the SS-N-14 on the Krivak. You could have raced the Krivak away from the sub and used the destroyers to scout for it. Then launch your long range rocket deployed anti sub torpedoes SS-N-14.

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Yeah not my best moment. Sorry to disappoint. It was one of my first times playing the game so I just didn't catch that.

[@rawnukles]

@@Stealth17Gaming I feel for ya bro. It's so complicated. I'm still gonna watch everything Sea Power you release . Will be good to see how you improve as you learn the ins and outs.

[@Paveway-chan]

I think dropping noisemakers preemptively is a bad idea, it depends on how they've modelled passive sonar, because IRL i imagine you will *completetly* drown out your own passive sonar when those things start screaming. To be fair, though, I can't see this mission being doable without heavy losses, without cheesing it in some way

[@GutkowskiMarek]

This made me wonder. So far all the missions are just that, a scenario that has the same starting point for all units. The replayability of those is small. By the time I get the game, I'll likely know all the starting positions and just cheese it by dropping SS-N-14 torps on where the sub is. I wonder how difficult it would be to have a random mission generator. Just having the sub spawn in random location would help a lot with replayability. But we all know even if it is not in the vanilla game it will be modded soon after.

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Yes, this is why the devs have asked us not to show any more scenarios, beyond what we've already recorded. I'm making my own scenarios now, which you'll start seeing end of the week/early next week. In the scenarios you can have probabilities of things happening, such as lower chances of units spawning in. That makes replayability better.

[@SturmGewehr1944x]

I don't know if you ever played Harpoon, but I like its UI better. The Devs might want to take a look at it. /two cents

[@piazzollalucagordon4149]

@@SturmGewehr1944x Uhhhh good old Harpoon, I kinda agree with the UI thing

[@SturmGewehr1944x]

@piazzollalucagordon4149 Yes, it was a great game. The last version (which never happened) was supposed to have all of the eye candy too. Bit that was supposed to be in a small (expandable) window. Because, while the eye candy is cool, you live or die on the tactical map. This game seems to focus on the eye candy to the detriment of naval operations.

[@magnuslundin682]

@19:08 beware of air launched life rafts 😅

[@piazzollalucagordon4149]

Question: in "weapons tight" mode do ships defend themselves, aka engage only incoming real threats? The "weapons free" one seems to make the vessel berserk on her own, target pick and aggressive behaviour included, even if you give direct precise orders...

[@enpic]

stealth17 sea power is an immediate click

[@BaconSarnie1701]

Sprint, drift, sprint, drift, sprint drift Sub hunting 101

[@עודד-כ7ל]

Please ground attack mission Could be cool

[@Stealth17Gaming]

I'll add it to the list

[@עודד-כ7ל]

@@Stealth17Gaming 🙏

[@wunderstein8224]

You should have gone weapons free, the ships would've shot their RBU's at the incoming torpedoes. It's an offensive and defensive system that can engage subs and their torpedoes.

[@Tkharbik]

The RBUs can be used against torps.

[@msaucedo7836]

Never turn in the direction of your noise maker

[@benjaminbuchanan5404]

go weapons free at start, RBU-6000 are antitorpedo

[@texas9141]

Please do Iowa vs ground maybe t 72 Battalion that are overrunning nato lines and Sam sites etc but first have to go through a few Soviet ships

[@sawspitfire422]

I second this, Iowa with OHP escort vs Sverdlov + Krivak coastal patrol

[@CaptainAvatar238]

Mk48's "wish me dead"

[@iplaygames8090]

Are the soviet nuclear battlecruisers in the game? If so then we are so carrier hunting

[@DecidedlyNinja]

The Kirov class is in the game.

[@texoschannel4907]

Why are you not using RBU-6000 to target torpedoes?

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Didn't know they could

[@MatthewJoyceAUS]

Why go active on sonar straight away and give away your position?

[@NirvanA1Channel]

Just stay and listen do not activate active pingin unless you creating some pain in the ass. Just send torps to assuming location to where subs launched their torps and force them to make evasive maneuvers then you know exactly what they are up to.

[@Brian_on_a_cross]

You should have a rematch of iowa vs. moskava or whatever it was

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Just completed recording that.

[@Brian_on_a_cross]

@@Stealth17Gaming yay

[@drksideofthewal]

Playing as the Soviet Navy, in any realistic scenario, is a handicap

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Disagree

[@drksideofthewal]

@@Stealth17Gaming It’s a basic fact, even the Soviets knew this. They built their naval doctrine around area denial because they understood they didn’t have the ability to beat NATO ship for ship.

[@Stealth17Gaming]

@@drksideofthewal And I still disagree. If the Soviets get their big and relatively smart missiles away then NATO can really suffer. I'd say that makes playing Soviets in this game very interesting.

[@drksideofthewal]

@@Stealth17Gaming I didn’t say playing as the Soviets wasn’t interesting, I said it was a handicap. Rocketry is one area of comparative advantage, and can pose an asymmetrical threat, but they are disadvantaged nonetheless in terms of numbers, tonnage, and overall technology. Disagree with history.

[@k98_zock_tv47]

NOISE-Makers....drop them, leave slow and quiet or even with engines off (not a naval warfare expert, just a guess here)

[@Eagleeyesix]

As soon as the torpedo goes active that doesn't work anymore.

[@k98_zock_tv47]

@@Eagleeyesix thx 4 info

[@CompetitiveRacist54]

Is Anechoic coating modeled?

[@DecidedlyNinja]

I assume it does function (it does in Cold Waters), but there's not much in the game that has it and its function is not very visible.

[@andrewruss5824]

stealth, I know you are new to the game and are still learning because its a early access build, but it might help to watch some videos that the other youtubers have uploaded, major issues ended up with ships dead that could have been prevented, if you read the comments they are pretty much all there already, Seeing how another person plays could give insight

[@Stealth17Gaming]

I don't have time to watch others play and produce my own videos

[@spacehead74]

I'm sure the game is fun for the player, but watching anything but the last 5 minutes of these videos is excruciatingly slow.

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Seems that these videos aren't for you then. Hope you can find something else to watch. Have a good day!

[@Ecl1pse1388]

at 18:00 the torpedo you dodge either detonated on the noisemaker you launched right before executing the turn or since it was so close it could have detonated itself with magnetic proxy fuse

[@iplaygames8090]

26:11 made you flinch! strategy

[@hmabboud]

@29:22 You know, you have got anti-torbedo charges.

[@Stealth17Gaming]

I didn't know