Are Cheap Targets Any Good? Black Hole (Target Review #1)

[@82tonypr]

As a newer archer wanting to shoot in my yard, this is gonna be a great series to watch!

[@Bhanes84]

U dont need to watch it, cheap targets r a waste of your gas money to go get one, buy a good rhinehart and save money in the long run!!!

[@ForestFolf]

That's awesome!! Good luck on your archery journey! It's tricky to learn, I've been shooting for 7 or 8 years now and I'm still not a perfect shot. It takes lots of years to learn, but just keep practicing and you'll perfect it!

[@Bhanes84]

@@MrSPHANDLE for how long? I had one, the center wouldnt stop an arrow after 2 weeks, no bs!! 70 lbs bow also

[@LordSquee]

This is just class, mate. Lots of people review products, including how they perform and whether they're worth the money. Some will look for the cheapest product on the market that will do the job well enough. Not too many specifically go out to review a bunch of products and lay out their pros and cons to give viewers the cheapest option for their specific needs to get (or to keep) them in the activity. This is just really nice of you.

[@star01248]

Why no scoring for cost .

[@bowedup7306]

You consistently show us why this is the greatest archery channel

[@UtiliTerran]

The final step to this assessment is to divide estimated # of shots by cost to get "shots per dollar".

[@FactsFirst-yo8gc]

A relevant factor that needs to be added to the overall equation is that of distance to target, 10, 15, 20 meters out or whatever distance you shoot at also determines the speed of the arrow and the penetration of the arrow.

[@TODinWY]

At 76 years of age, and shooting a fast crossbow, all I'm interested in ia a target that I don't have to stand on to retrieve my arrows. Good job.

[@craighanson6936]

Once the centre area of most target softens up, it does not matter which side you shoot it from. They just don’t stop the arrow as effectively once the middle is worn out. Shooting at different spots. Will buy you some time.

[@randomcdude4430]

For field points i love a bag target. Once you blow it out; just push the stuffing back in place, find another piece of tough material (canvas, old tarp, several empty cat litter bags) to cover the hole, then wrap it tight with a couple layers of Alabama chrome (duck tape for the uncultured), and bingo bango you got a few hundred more shots before you gotta repeat the process. I shoot a lot so i have done this a few times to my hurricane bag and it works a treat.

[@bhoutdoors507]

I was just thinking I need to duct tape mine, but adding tarp is smart too

[@justinsidervag8008]

I put a ratchet strap around mine to compress the layers and make it a little denser . It helps a little but , not much . I have the crossbow version and i only fire a few shots a week to check zero of the scope . Anything more it gets eaten up quick .

[@17yearoldwarbowarcher]

I'm going to get excited for this series

[@bhoutdoors507]

I spray painted additional targets on my black hole. The center is totally shot out, but the side targets still stop well.

[@mattooninnovation]

Great video, Kramer! You have come a long way in the last few years and I’ve really enjoyed being able to watch you grow and succeed!! I have this target and have put thousands of arrows into it with a compound. It does hold up quite well if you intentionally don’t always shoot in the center. Granted, I primarily use field points and only use broadheads to make sure they are flying correctly for hunting. Although it does work well to stop brodheads, it doesn’t appear to be able to last for more than a few hundred shots in the same spot before it is really damaged. I went to the point of using a couple ratchet straps to compress it and take the cover off. I was able to rearrange and restack the layers of foam to remove the concentrated worn places. This worked really well and made it almost like new again. A little flat black paint was applied to allow me to then repaint some new aiming spots. It works really well and you don’t have to spend a lot compared to other targets. I do make sure to store it indoors, which probably helps keep it from deteriorating as quickly.

[@SparkleDonkey]

Great video! Thanks for making it. I have that Black Hole target and once I shot the bullseye out of it I stuffed a dollar store foam roller into it which fit the area I shot out perfectly. Once I shoot the hell out of that foam roller i'll stuff another one in. The foam roller does move with the impact especially with heavy 700 gn arrows so I secured it by pushing a broken wooden arrow shaft in from either side. Problems solved.

[@gordonneverdies]

Dude that's a great idea!

[@Oldgorillajiujitsu]

Love it! Very John Lusk type of review! Great job

[@Im2slick]

Love this content right here! you are gonna keep me awake at night waiting for the next video in the series.

[@patgarrett3746]

I've bought three of these over the last two years. We had a lab who just loved tearing these to pieces. I don't know if she liked the taste of the foam or what, but they didn't last long when she found them. Interestingly, she never really bothered my other targets, just these.

[@billymartin1158]

I bought this blackout target and it didn’t barely slow my arrow down. Punched right through. So I’m using the Rinehart… Shooting a Mathew’s phase 4 29. 28” draw, 75lbs, 80% let off. Arrow is Easton Axis long range match grade. 100 Gr field tip or broadhead (both passed clean through)

[@Bobbobbobbob707]

I have one of these. When my arrows started passing through or getting to the point it was burying my fletching i put a ratchet strap around it to compress it some more. Working great again

[@darwinswarey5076]

I'd love to see how the Rhinehart performs in a test like this. I've been shooting my Rhinehart with a compound and a crossbow for 3 years with no issues.

[@bigl2627]

I am very excited about this series!

[@josephfolsom2030]

Have 2 black hole targets which set 1 behind the other. They last one season. Once your bow is tuned for your broadheads you no longer need to shoot broadheads, just invest in a good field tip target and they last a long time. Just bought a 365 4’ octagon with five cubes that you can turn all sides for thousands of shots. Paid $750 at my local archery shop. All the cores are replaceable.

[@barret_n7863]

Dude, I've been wanting a review like this for a long time. Actually counting your shots and having grading criteria! Great job! Can't wait for the full Playlist.

[@LukePighetti]

Would love to see you do a Rinehart NASP. They are expensive, but their foam is great, and it's a nice size.

[@MrMann703]

I have two different targets for my high speed crossbows, I just bought this target solely for my 80lb mini crossbow I just bought a few weeks ago shooting 8.5" carbon fiber bolts with field tips and two blade broadheads. Thank you for the review

[@ee222]

great info! looking forward to the rest of this series!!

[@SniperFlakes]

i noticed the black hole style target broadheads rip it up easier. but it works good enough to get it tuned

[@bmocaby9747]

Morrell high roller 21 is best target for the money. I've absolutely shot the hell out of mine for 4-5yrs and it's finally giving in this year.

[@papaschuette]

I've tried 3 of the 4 targets that you're gonna test and have found that they last me about 3 months. With just shooting field points. Mine always stay outside, though. But that isn't supposed to matter. I haven't tried the higher priced foam targets, only because it seems I never have the money to spare for a nice Morrell, Rhinehart, or 365 archery target at the time I need a new target. Maybe one day. I've been researching building my own target out of EVA foam exercise mats. This way, I only have to replace a couple layers of the mat and not have to buy a whole target.

[@derekmiller1036]

A good pro-tip is when shooting broadheads on arrows with threaded inserts, and it penetrates enough that the head is sticking out the far side, you can unscrew the head off before pulling your arrow out and it doesn't shred the target as much.

[@bowdeer5074]

I have used this target for 4 years now. Thats thousands of arrows. Yes, I staggered shot placement and almost never use broadheads. It still stops arrows but the the back is a bit blown out. Will be replacing soon with the exact same target. For the money you cant beat it.

[@mikepaz8385]

Looking forward to this series!

[@Scarlet_Soul]

I use an A&F Target Bag, I probably put 200 - 300 arrows into it a day with a 60 pound bow. It's still holding up strong after months...well, with some additional duct tape but who's counting

[@kramerammonsarchery]

Perfect I love it!

[@blakepalochak7240]

Had this target for nearly 5 or more years. when I was little was great because I was bad shot so held up for a bit. the wood actually rotted out around the same time i started putting arrows through the back. It also stayed out side for at least 3 of those years

[@Lost_Hwasal]

Rinehardt has a block target with a replaceable core. Best target for long term cheapness in my opinion. I have a black hole, its nice if you have to carry your target a long ways.

[@Allen_3D_Archery]

Minor gripe. The Mythbusters myth was splitting a wooden arrow down it's length. That was busted because of the wood grain, path of least resistance I've seen carbon arrows Robin Hooded, including a smaller diameter arrow dissappear into a larger diameter arrow

[@brett9382]

I made my own target out of groceries bags and a cardboard box. I found broad heads that shoot the same as my feildpoints and never shoot them anymore. Works great

[@Amy_McFarland]

I suppose if you are target shooting a lot this target is not what you want. For me, I only use a target to fine tune just before hunting season. So this would last me years. Distance from the target will also alter these numbers. Again for me, this is unrealistic because of that. Penetration is reduced by distance thus increasing the life of the target.

[@richdavenport7751]

I put a ratchet strap around cheap targets it keeps arrows from passing through

[@ammoiscurrency5706]

Thats a great protip

[@jskyg68]

FWIW these also work for pellet guns, I've been using one for over 2 years now for my indoor range.

[@CampfireKodiak]

I own the 22" version of this target for my 40-50 lb recurves. Here's what I found works very very well. I hang an arrow curtain behind it touching the back of this target. Even in the shot-out bullseye the arrow is easily stopped by the arrow curtain. I have shot hundreds of arrows and will keep shooting hundreds of arrows. All I need is something to attach my paper animal targets too which I mount on cardboard and hold in place with four long wood screws. Another big advantage is my arrows are incredibly easy to pull out.

[@christiankammer2379]

Thank you for doing this.

[@newzealandspotlightersasso9181]

Just shot my Rinehart target out in 3 months from a compound just shooting fieldpoints so I'm here to look for a new target.

[@jwisniewski86]

I've used this target for over 2 years now. I shoot traditional as well as compound and my wife shoots a compound. It works well for my recurve (recurve is 70lbs draw) and my wife's compound (Wife's compound is 40 lbs draw), but my compound (80lbs) punches right through after a little use. If I shoot at one of the outermost corners, it will sometimes catch the fletching due to them being fresh still. It's still a pain to get out though. Another drawback is how light it is. When you shoot it from a distance, if you hit one side or the other, it will start to rotate the target. Sometimes it will actually tip over if you hit too high. Also, I have lost multiple arrows from them glancing off the OSB on the top and being launched into oblivion. If I could do it all over again, I would just pony up the extra cash and buy a quality target, and that's coming from a cheapskate. Edit: When these targets get even the slightest mist or rain on them, everything slides through like butter.

[@tripplebeards3427]

I really like my cheapie black hole target. I can see you’re starting to apart because it wasn’t wrapped tightly enough like mine wasn’t either. After about a dozen shots at 400+ feet per second it wasn’t looking very healthy. The company was good enough to send me a replacement target so A+ for them. I don’t expect the new target the last long either, but I’ll use them for recurves instead of Xbows.

[@rocklee775]

I have this target and I've been shooting it nearly every day for a few moments. I personally think it's a great target, especially for the money.

[@Testacabeza]

I've got this target. I am an occassional shooter so to me it servers me very well, I do not thinkk I will destroy it any time soon with fields tips, 30lbs bow and from a 15 yards distance.

[@adam-k]

So I filled an IKEA parkla bag ($0.99) with plastic bags ($0), backed it with a used polar fleece pled (the dog got a new one ($1.99)) Used duct tape to mark some targets. I use the same target for 2 years now with a #50 bow. A few months ago I put the whole thing into a new parkla bag. I don't think it would take broadheads but for target arrows it is the best.

[@jonathanbennison9220]

Love your videos Kramer. Can I suggest an additional score, instead of o Ly the total out of 50? Perhaps even just one score, for Broadhead vs one score for Field tips. That might provide hunters who only practice with broad heads, or accuracy range archer who only practice with field tips... A rellevvaant score...

[@michaelcurtis8114]

I bought a black hole target and it was deemed useless before deer season even started and if you shoot fixed blade broadheads at it, it won't last but maybe 20 shots. After that the arrows just zip rite through it. It maybe less than that I quit counting after about 6 shots. And you better have an arrow puller as well.

[@Geminoduro]

This video sounded a bit like Project Farm :)

[@ME-bg4qg]

Love your videos man

[@sticksstrings9792]

I buy blankets from my local dump. $10 will give enough material for a good target. Fold them and stack them, lay a sheet over them, than spray paint some dots on there. Stops my #65 compound..leaves no mess to pick up and I've made mine a huge target.

[@jefferys9593]

Great series, thank you 👍🏽

[@gordonneverdies]

Mathews Outback is a solid bow. I love the older Mathews.

[@sheerziggy]

Lol I was tuning new heads and hit close to the edge cut the fabric 😅 has 2 ratchet straps now. And it kinda stopped arrows b4 I cranked down my quick fix. But for like 30ish bucks I'm happy

[@reedmitchell6716]

Have that target. I put a ratchet strap around it. Tighten when arrows go through. You can tighten it so the arrows barely go in.

[@kramerammonsarchery]

Thats a really good tip thank you!

[@bipolarbear69]

I use a crossbow discharge target, 17$ it's small and it lasts at least 6-12 months.

[@antoniodittman5820]

Do the angled Shots penetrate deeper into the target? If so, The extra surface area causing additional friction coukd account for the extra Difficulty in extraction.

[@PaulA-on2ct]

Angled shots might be piercing the foam layers, whereas the straight shots end up sliding between the layers, meaning the straight shots are easier to pull out.

[@lastresmariaschocolateriac176]

greetings .... excellent video!!!! a question?? Is it necessary to enter the oven when the bow is glued with EA40 ??? thank you..... keep up your great videos.

[@mikelcampbell6072]

with the black hole u can re sandwitch the layers and use it twice

[@TheBladeSled]

I’m a Bowhunter and engineer. This was enjoyable to watch. I want to watch all targets. And my all time fav target is no longer available. American Whitetail made the King MLD. Best broadhead target ever for just $60. Thousands of shots and still no back penetration. I wore out about 4 in 10 years shooting a few thousand broadheads into them each year.

[@thomasmartin7494]

I highly recommend blob targets out of Georgia , they last for years!

[@ericmiller1100]

thanks for the research man

[@charlesdavis9937]

I had a bag target, it fell apart after a few hundred arrows. So I have a stacked foam one. It's lasted longer.

[@martinhernandez5743]

I am shocked that when you shot the field tips into the broad head side they didn’t blow through. I’ve even had broad heads pass completely through the target after only a few impacts on the same area.

[@ForestFolf]

Does the higher poundage of the bow affect the damage? I shoot field tips out of a 30 lb recurve at this same target, and I've had to have done thousands of shots at it and it's never gotten that damaged.

[@roberttice]

I wonder if you wrap the target with a ratchet strap to tighten it up if it will last longer.

[@thomascrompton7775]

Black hole is a great target for what it is. And that is a broahead target. I have had same one for 3 years now cost 29.99. I use bag targets all year with field tips. Paper tune your bow make sure it's rite. Use the block for few shots a year make sure broadheads hit with field tips.

[@nsc112]

Just went from black hole to big high roller. One other issue with black hole if you are outside and place it on a slight slope (like in my back yard) it will fall over if you shoot at the top. Not sure if you said that but it is annoying.

[@owenmiller390]

I just got the black hole target as I’m getting back into archery. Did you shoot yours for a long time? I’m wondering what kind of performance it actually has if you switch up shot locations. So far I’ve only shot fieldtips at the sides and broadheads at the main target.

[@nsc112]

@@owenmiller390 I was just hesitant to move around a lot on the back hole. I shot up the middle in about two years of occasional use. For some reason I’m comfortable shooting at all the dots on the current target I have. I think it will definitely get the job done for about two years of moderate use. The big high roller was just a luxury purchase. Black hole is good. Best of luck! ✌️

[@danielpoloni2781]

I got this target for my bow (ibo of 370 fps) it stopped it pretty well at first and I pit my arrows in all for corners to avoid hitting my arrows. It does not last very long at all

[@Woodenarrows]

Maybe it was mentioned and I missed it but... can you give gpp of the two arrows or total weight of the arrows. Shooting 3D competitions, I try to shoot lighter weight arrows.

[@littlemechanicshop]

Like the review. But from my understanding there is a side just for field points and is for broad heads. So why shoot the field points in the broad head side?

[@Btines01]

Good stuff man!

[@caseysmith544]

I use the Cheap supposed to be for Crossbow model of the Black Hole for my archery as this is not enough for the really fast Compounds according to the reviews, the Junior is too weak for all but 30 to maybe 35 pound bows depending on the design with the bigger model of Black Hole not enough for most poundage above 40 pounds at an archers draw as well as the winds seem to knock down the thinner Junior Black Hole as well the lighter model that Black Hole gets blown around easier. The only other model I would get is the more crossbow brands also owned by Black Hole or Yellow Jaket in there lineup of brands if I ever went to use compound bows. I might get one of the bigger Block models with the fabric holding the materteral in that are made for compound but only if using for nothing faster then the Super Recurve bows.

[@collinzeman1964]

i love my block 6x6 and i know so many others that do

[@2DGraphicDesign]

I had a black spot target butt delivered to use indoors. When it arrived I was disappointed the top & bottom boards are chip board. Ireland is wet, it rains a lot. Poor quality chipboard melts in the wet. The foam layers are a hard foam unlike that of the ‘super butt, I have those (90cm) outside. I had considered using the black spot behind small 3D & move them around. The black spot is surprisingly heavy too. In any case it’s strictly an indoors target butt. A relative arranged that the Avalon classic target 45 be sent to me. (I don’t see it on your list) it was €20 cheaper. The foam is the same as the fo of the super butte and the framing wood is plywood.. the Avalon is lighter & more weather versatile.

[@littlehills739]

go ask at a store for pellet shipping wraps they cut off pellets to hold things on ball it up in a box free and sturdy target.

[@HuntingCreatures]

Great video and experiment.

[@reapergrim76]

Great stuff! 👍

[@robertlee8400]

I never use broad heads when shooting at any target , I don’t want them to get damaged or dull & it’s a pain to sharpen my broad heads it’s a 5 day thing , all day long & theres a lot of sharpening stones to go through & a lot of tear down to pull all my broad head blades out of the arrow tips , yea it’s a pain in the ass but once you do it & you keep them in the proper arrow holder , you,ll never have to sharpen them again . & why not shoot your targets at 10 yards & not so close up on them , let the arrow gain some speed or lose some speed & test them , at least that’s how I do it .

[@vandar42]

First class as always bro😎😎

[@cray-z7404]

Will black hole work for Approximately 350fps xbow ? Just to zero scope in with broadhead each season ???

[@kencoffman7145]

For my crossbow I find that a homemade bag target stops field points just fine but need a broadhead target. Any suggestions appreciated.

[@caseysmith544]

You have to then get the true crossbow targets with the metal around them and use those unfortunately.

[@FlankCobra]

Jeez my home made cardboard target has the same performance. Actually even a little bit better but I guess it will drop faster as bow draw weight is increased. And there is also a distance factor too.

[@ajmeier01]

As an owner of a few of these exact targets I can tell you they work great, until you shoot out the center. Then the arrows will go thru. But that being said you have so many more points to use on this target without having to shoot out one spot only. This is a strong buy if you find it on sale.

[@blessedvetoutdoors]

Great review

[@loganct5]

I broadhead tuned with one of these. Not good. 10 shots with a 125 TOTA and I'm blowing thru at 30 yards with a 30/72lb draw.. and I even used the sides of it. 423 grain arrow.

[@aarongoleman]

eh i suppose looking at it as a more experienced archer you'd rate it really low but if you're just getting into archery it's well worth it until you get a better one

[@robstofberg1]

Do you also test and rate your selfmade low budget target? Great content!

[@FlankCobra]

My home made cardboard target has the same performance. Actually even a little bit better but I guess it will drop faster as bow draw weight is increased. And there is also a distance factor too.

[@atxjaphotos4217]

Can confirm. Shooting in the rain also makes the arrows slip through like a proctologist's lubed gloved finger.

[@michaelcurtis8114]

Now I just stuff a bunch of old clothes without buttons, zippers or snaps in a cardboard box and it stops my arrows. I shoot a 400fps crossbow. And if it starts getting a soft spot just open the box and move the clothes around a little bit and it's back to stopping arrows again.

[@dalehiner5231]

I think a new target for broadheads would be fair. The target was gone befor the teast started

[@B_r_u_c_e]

Thank you.

[@Lumos__Nox]

I had a question, how come you haven't suggested a bale of staw for a target. While yes it can be messy to move some times, the cost and durability has some other targets beat by a long shot. The huge draw back I find is the weight of moving it.

[@evoxis1058]

[TL:DR] they work, arent great but id give em a solid 5/10] Speaking from experience here, hay bales work but theyre not very consistent, fairly small, can wreck broadheads, And aren't the most weather resistant [Consistency] not all hwy bales are equal, some may be packed tight and be better at stopping arrows, or they can be light and wont do quite as good of a job, not a deal breaker but something to note. [Small shooting face] you have to shoot a hay bale head on or itll pass right through, again, not a deal breaker but important to note. [Wrecking broadheads] hay isnt the cleanest of things out there, theyre is a good chance of sticks, dirt and sometimes rocks in a bale, sticks and dirt will dull blades quick but a rock and destroy a 10-45 dollar broadhead in a second. storing it can be an issue too, unless you live in a warm and dry climate, the twine and the bale itself will rot if its sitting on the ground or gets rained on, also dont want to bring them inside because they can be homes to bugs and pests you dont want around the house. Biggets upside it theyre super cheap, can get a bale anywhere from $1-$7

[@jimr7154]

Black hole targets are good IF you do not shoot a lot I burn through them in 1 month easily Best target to date I’ve tried for durability and cost effectiveness is 365 archery target

[@VeeDub_in_da_House]

I just want to know where I can get one of those six sided die targets that you often use

[@randomcdude4430]

Morrell makes them. I know Scheels carries them. Probably any of the big sporting goods stores will have them.

[@VeeDub_in_da_House]

@randomcdude4430 Thanks. Just ordered it from Scheels!

[@jon82987]

I bought a Black Hole, took one shot, had complete pass through, ruined my practice broadhead, promptly returned it and bought something much better at a higher price.

[@ront8778]

Will Power-Stop targets be on your list?

[@mrt3206]

You can also goto a local insulation place and buy bricks of foam just like these targets for a FRACTION of the cost🤷‍♂️

[@MrMiguella]

I think im gonna stick with haybales