Are Conservative Brits Right about Race? | Glenn Loury & John McWhorter | The Glenn Show

[@thecorneradvisor3436]

Nigerian here residing in the west and I endorse the accuracy of John's observation. Keep the elevated standards where they are and we'll do just fine.

[@TheSeeking2know]

I salute a fellow Nigerian.

[@DrCruel]

If America is structurally racist because of capitalism, why are Nigerian immigrants so prosperous and so welcome here while so many American-born millennials are so ignorant and despised? Why are Nigerians so well represented in the US small business community and so poorly represented in Antifa and BLM? Perhaps the woke can explain.

[@TheBobafettmaster]

Typical racist! I'm kidding... When Malcolm X famously said "The White Liberal was the most dangerous person in America to the American Negro" he forgot to add 'and equally dangerous is the Black academic '. When I was in university studying African American Studies we had just began to introduce Ebonics which we all thought was a joke. Who is laughing now. God bless you mister Nigerian, you make every lazy person look awful! Keep pushing the standards!

[@davidlamb7524]

One of the differences between Nigerians and West Indians in the UK is that the latter are mostly descendents of working class immigrants who came over on the Windrush. Nigerians are largely (not all!) from educated middle-class and wealthy families. Would you agree ?

[@peterz22thomas5]

I am a simple white groceryman here in the US and I find you guys honest and brilliant. I learn something every time you guys broadcast.

[@asaasare220]

of course probably fits your narrative.... do U ever question the trajectory of Sicilians and southern italians in the US versus those back in Sicily or Naples?

[@SayerofThings]

⁠@@asaasare220wtf kind of question I that? Are you trying to embarrass this guy? Italians in general have done well in US. They did what the Irish, Germans, Japanese, pols and others have done and what the blacks have NOT done. Gained political powers and progressed past the early years of discrimination. Does that fit your narrative?

[@edwinamendelssohn5129]

@@asaasare220results matter and what you say and do do not bring good results.

[@asaasare220]

bringing out the worst in your people to lambaste to essentially please our enemies of counter productive to one's people... yes I am refering to you groceryman you are part of our enemies...

[@asaasare220]

@@edwinamendelssohn5129 i notice those of us with so much self hatred pleases your people so.... like the supreme court justice... your hatred and contempt for us is enough go on by and stop running commentary... no group has more evil in them than your kind

[@essiotll]

Man, I really do hope Glenn gets the opportunity to do JRE when his memoir releases - I've wanted that match-up for years!

[@ondolite3789]

We already know what he would say so no real point. Lousy stinks and you need to show more respect 🙏🏾.

[@yourlogicalnightmare1014]

"match-up" suggests opposition. What are you basing that on

[@essiotll]

@@yourlogicalnightmare1014 "put someone or something together with an appropriate or fitting person or thing."

[@HeavyK.]

As a former adjunct professor in the United States, I can tell you, I saw a larger number of Nigerian students. A few were embarrassingly lazy. But 90% of them were the most academically rigorous students I've encountered. They were interested in business and education. Many of these students could have taught the class without me.

[@asaasare220]

so the logical question why can't it be duplicated in Nigeria... sick and tired of the simplistic trope using africans and nigerians to "bash" others. i am african and continue to ask myself that particular question... some of our foremost intellectual leaders were educated and trained by black american professors and thinkers... I have met black americans who moved to africa and were very successful...simple fact the immigrants puts in his best away from home nothing magical ... so stop this nigerians or ghanaians or carribeans are smarter, have a better work ethic nonsense... i never hear europeans doing the same again and again.. italians in the US have achieved greater heights and it is not used against italians back home...

[@agmvcc]

So good and well rounded! As a black conservative musician I particularly appreciate this discussion. Thanks for being weird with me in the US.

[@michaelwoodall9022]

John makes a great point about being told no. Lots of people need to learn that "No" is a real answer that you should expect to hear...often. Feelings are not facts and because you don't like something doesn't mean you should bee sheltered from hearing it.

[@darbyohara]

No is not enough. They need to feel the consequences for their incorrect or foolish choices/ideas

[@darbyohara]

No is not enough. They need to feel the consequences for their incorrect or foolish choices/ideas

[@pburgess4727]

As a white working class bloke from UK , love watching you to gents converse always informative.

[@ElizabethDohertyThomas]

I listen to every episode, write down the books you mention, and read most of them. My world is much-expanded thanks to both of you and how you banter, debate, and engage your own thoughts, the thoughts of each other, and of critics, allies and passerbys in your lives. Thank you doesn't seem like a very strong phrase, but I mean it.

[@tosinakande7816]

Please share the list of books. Thank you.

[@SycrosD4]

What books did they mention here?

[@ondolite3789]

@@tosinakande7816 You are a disgrace to Yoruba. May you rot and pay for your sins.

[@orangefacedbuddah1776]

a wise and clever soul you are,do i sound a bit like yoda from star wars. thats how i learn as well the power of reading and trying to learn from different viewpoints.We are creating a nation of drones who can only see one perspective,this will not end well.

[@ondolite3789]

@orange faced buddah Yoooo fukking hypocrite!!

[@ouruhuru]

It was a privilege to meet you both in Cambridge recently.

[@morimotosan1]

I can listen to you two for hours, especially John 🥰. Continue to enlighten me and speak for those of us who seem to stick out against the noise of the past.

[@AFringedGentian]

Oh what a TREAT. I was so happy for you both to get to go to Cambridge together, as friends and speakers. And it’s such a delight to get to hear all about it now.

[@ondolite3789]

🐑

[@leoandolino4668]

I started as a passerby but subscribed. Your conversations are cogent, compelling, and addictive.

[@rbarnes4076]

First.. more wonderful content.. Second.. I don't think of you as "Glenn and John the Black Guys", I think of you both as "Glenn and John the Smart Guys"! I VERY much appreciate your voices and careful thinking around modern issues!

[@toddreap9151]

You two are the ABSOLUTE best. Cannot tell you how much I enjoy your chats - especially as someone who has a career in the classroom and coaching kids for 31 years.

[@michaelboyd7508]

Two of the most intellectually honest black men on the planet. Interesting conversation as usual. Bravo!

[@hb9149]

John's first 4 min monologue is spot on!

[@nathanngumi8467]

Very interesting... Congratulations Prof Loury on completing your memoir!

[@ondolite3789]

And yooo can fuk off! Are you an African? You are letting us down. You need to shut up for a minute and listen as well as watching. You need the audio and the visual and you need to understand satanic beasts when you see them.

[@dennisdose5697]

Hey John, I doubt many of your conservative listeners are upset with you. Sure we disagree at times, but we appreciate your perspective.

[@nishadgulvady5534]

Just browse the comments on last month’s pro vs con republican episode. Many are libelous, and pretty disgusting, toward John.

[@dennisdose5697]

@@nishadgulvady5534 that is really sad.

[@StrategicWealthLLC]

@@nishadgulvady5534 - True. Unfortunately, it’s also true that John is often libelous towards Republicans. In neither case is it good behavior.

[@kham6006]

John has major tds -he hasn’t been great to conservatives- it’s ironic he supported the most racist guy in government-imagine joe didn’t want his precious kids in school w John -how could you support that

[@jimwerther]

@@kham6006 Your comment is the sort I expect from those who do not appreciate the type of conversation found in this video.

[@fchrisb804]

John McWhorter, we'd love to hear more about these early 20s and 30s black musicians.

[@ernesttenesmus6757]

“They sow the wind, And reap the whirlwind.” - Hosea 8: 7

[@lorensmith378]

Bravo. I never miss an episode. Always learn, nod, think, grow with you guys

[@ondolite3789]

😀

[@dwb1954]

Amen...and may your voices be amplified where they are most needed

[@vals2498]

A friend of mine is a University of Chicago Historian specialized in Race and Slavery, she's white (recently left U of C to teach in New Orleans) and has told me some stories about her African American students pushing back on some of what she teaches because they don't like it..she has also told me that her students from Africa have different and BETTER attitude...I have no doubt this is kind of what John is talking about in terms of British Nigerians.

[@grahamt5924]

We have Nigerians, and we have British, but we have no British Nigerians. You have to pick which one you are here. If you are Nigerian, you are not British, and if you are British, you are not Nigerian.

[@ondolite3789]

Africans tend to have the values whilst African Americans have the knowledge. The challenges for African Americans are not complex. It is knowing nothing more than a beast culture which is a complete lie. Your friend sounds fukking outrageous. How dare she promote rubbish and then expect it to be swallowed whole. Whyte people make dreadful teachers as they are inherently mendacious. Students fought for the right to answer back and refute nonsense but clearly, in your opinion African Americans are not entitled to this resource. I am concerned that blaq young people are being asked to excuse the filth that defines America and whyte existence, also that racism is over and whytes were forced by African chiefs to engage in the slave trade. It is whyte innocence project not woke that has infected education. Step bak.

[@grahamt5924]

@Ondo Lite You are full of hatred.

[@orangefacedbuddah1776]

@@grahamt5924 so if you are born in the united kingdom and both parents are nigerian what does that make.Answer quickly your wisdom is greatly needed in this world.

[@grahamt5924]

@orange faced buddah Nigerian.

[@garygreen1782]

Glenn and John always present their ideas in a very clear format that anyone can understand, even though the topics are often very complex. Two wonderful thoughtful gentlemen. Great conversations.

[@willharriman1881]

They are both bootlicks pandering for white approval! They both run away from actual LEGITIMATE race grievances!

[@Thedecider1984]

Love these two brothers

[@ondolite3789]

'Brothers'??!!

[@chdao]

"4th-grader's logic" and folks acting like 3 year olds having temper tantrums. How did we get to a point where we allow folks to enter adulthood and continue to act like children?!?

[@jimwerther]

And then celebrate them and hand them a $10m check

[@orangefacedbuddah1776]

you allowed left leaning politics to enter the most valuable space of all,the educational arena.And turned thugs into heroes in the entertainment world.

[@ondolite3789]

@orange faced buddah Nope, you have, not a clue, about the realities of education. EDUCATION IS SO VALUABLE THAT IT HAS BEEN ABANDONED TO THE FREE MARKET AND IS A COMMODIFIED ACTIVITY. Meanwhile they feed yoo bullshit about marxists etc and yoo swallow. Yoo R soooo slo' and soffft.

[@orangefacedbuddah1776]

@@ondolite3789 shouldnt you be listening to rap music and black people screaming about racism.I think you on the wrong you tube channel.

[@ondolite3789]

@orange faced buddah I listen to all sorts of music. I tend to favour jazz rock fusion but everything really. Blaq people are not really screaming about racism but I am screaming at Lousy and McWorthless to look at the shortdik slime that they entice and empower. I am on the correct channel as evil people fascinate me. Stereotyping is a great path to progress isn't it?

[@marybethlongo6631]

Glenn and John, I am so happy for you both - to be affirmed and rewarded by the presence of like minded peers is a necessary condition to persevere in the courageous business of truth telling. When the universe appears to reward such we are all refreshed!!! Keep up the good fight...

[@marybethlongo6631]

And jealously guard your awesome INTEGRITY!!!

[@mynameisnotimportant7336]

Sure, you are, white woman. These guys are conflating many topics. It is also a comedy.

[@jimwerther]

@@mynameisnotimportant7336 So sad that you live such a meaningless life, mired in the muck of racism and hatred.

[@wiseonwords]

@@mynameisnotimportant7336 - And sure you are, myopic person. What a charming chap you are! ;)

[@Pierre-Pascal-yt7mj]

Please do not forget James P. Johnson in the stride luminaries.

[@murryrozansky8753]

I got to hear Eubie Blake play twice when I was in college and he was in his 90's. He needed a bit of help to the piano but when he played he was ageless.

[@cordyone]

Your content is so precious, its hard to fathom you don't have five times more subscribers!

[@seanjohnbull1670]

As a Nigerian who though not an intellectual, yet a very big fan of you both, and still in the motherland, I can testify to that. Let the most poverty stricken Nigerian leave the shores of Africa and venture into the West, without clothes on his back or/and shoes on his feet, with no roof over his head and within two years he would have made something of himself. I guarantee you that. We would do whatever it takes (legally and sometimes illegally) to make a future for ourselves. Is it any wonder that we are also being mentioned in the news?

[@franklinreynoso7317]

John, I am an immigrant my self and I agree with you about the spirit that is within us, that we believe that live is hard, and that we respect the standards. That we push forward. What I don't understand how is it that you keep voting for the people that want and that are trying, actively to change the standards at all levels. Could you explain yourself?

[@mcnallyaar]

Good Question!

[@snowbirdsurfer2474]

John’s voting history is the product of binding social capital… soft tribalism if you will. He knows this and is trying to think his way out of the trap. Courage John, courage!

[@ondolite3789]

You arrogant sossidge!!

[@ondolite3789]

Immigrants are the same all over the world and tend to have more drive. Does not mean anything vis a vis skin colour but these two bastards believe otherwise.

[@robertrann8450]

YOU GUYS SPEAK WITH TRUTH. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE YOU GUYS FOR BEING A BEACON FOR WHAT IS TO BE A PROGRESSIVE AND CONTRIBUTING PART OF WHAT OUR PEOPLE NEED TO BE DOING.

[@starkeyshelbyj]

You both are incredible people who need to be seen as sane heroes for everyone in the west! Thomas Sowell, .... and we need adults, wisdom .... amazing truth just can't be heard by some. Rigorous self honesty, Agency by Ian Rowe along Dr King's vision, thank you gentlemen

[@kevinkiso4579]

Kevin Thomas Kiso from Seattle WA, here. I'm a fifty seven year old fourth generation American with an ancestral lineage originating from Czechoslovakia. I was just imagining meeting one or each of you on the street somewhere. I would probably be incapable of offering my feelings on these issues; but I would be happy with a brotherly handshake and a hug if that didn't push it too far. I so deeply relate to both of your ideals, morals and values. Thanks. P.s., Jesus Christ, I so admire both of your abilities to verbally articulate such truths. I would be assaulted and perhaps within inches of life if I were to express these views in a conversation in the cafeteria at Seattle Central Community College, or Evergreen College, where my mother spent time in college.

[@roverer109]

Thank you for making youtube smarter!

[@gagillion]

Glen, I applied for the program this summer at UATX, but unfortunately, I was not accepted. It looks amazing. Have fun!

[@oleeb]

Your frustrations are shared by many! The lowering of standards is not just for race. Standards have been lowered across the board producing a generation of college graduates that simply are not as well educated as college grads who came before them. The lack of basic knowledge in history, English, the arts, and more is shocking. They leave school and pretend because they have a diploma they are qualified for jobs they simply can’t do. It’s depressing.

[@robertcross6834]

Love these two. Brilliant dudes making lots of common sense.

[@ondolite3789]

They are as thick as shit.

[@orangefacedbuddah1776]

"The dude",great 1980s album by quincy jones.

[@conordelaney76]

@@ondolite3789 Shit, generally, isn't that thick.

[@ondolite3789]

@orange faced buddah Beautifully abstract.

[@ondolite3789]

@@conordelaney76 Good point, well made. I will no longer use this phrase.

[@mattanderson6672]

Really enjoy listening to you two Thank you guys!

[@woodwyrm]

Remarkably early this Friday I must say; not that I am complaining!

[@glennloury3677]

Bear in mind, you can get the feed on Mondays if you become a paying subscriber! Just saying...

[@woodwyrm]

@@glennloury3677 yeah I know, but right now my economic situation doesn't allow it I'm afraid.

[@barrycarter9289]

I LOVE WATCHING THESE GUYS.....

[@S.J.L]

Talked to two young black ladies today, on the West Coast. They both seemed sensible. We started talking about the Chinese invading our airspace. One, lit up when I asked her if she knew Thomas Sowell. She was saying things had gone too far, especially on the "gender" topic with minors. She thought too many people believed in that but I said most people are scarred to speak out but that many are horrified. We agreed that if we could just get something between JFK to Reagan (she liked Trump) & between MLK to Macolm X or Fredrick Douglas to Abraham Lincoln then we could work it out.

[@orangefacedbuddah1776]

your educational system with its deep leftist bias will ensure this never happens.

[@S.J.L]

@@orangefacedbuddah1776 School choice can sort that out. The USA is still the best positioned for the future. If you're not an American or a close ally then good luck.

[@ondolite3789]

@orange faced buddah What is your evidence of this bias? How would, say, a geology student be indoctrinated?

[@S.J.L]

@@ondolite3789 ? Geology certainly does ground one to the earth. Nevertheless there is an illogical unreasonable totalitarian psuedo religion sweeping the world. One can hardly escape it in both the public & private sector. Surely you are not entirely unaware of this even if your nose is buried in a book on the Cambrian explosion for most of the day.

[@TheKiddy3]

At UT Austin in the 80s it was understood that the Black studies course was an easy A.

[@smoss9813]

Saw Johns speech and enjoyed it thoroughly! It's a strange observation but from this side of the pond the first description I would use to describe both of you is 'American'. I don't mean that in a flippant way, just an outsiders point of view. Keep up the brilliant work.

[@chrissmiles2456]

Just got introduced to your work. Excellent stuff sir. Your analysis is spot on imho. Thinkers like you can help us through this madness.

[@allyourbase888]

When will you meet with Magatte Wade? 🙏🏾🇺🇸❤️

[@cestmoi4532]

Thank you for sharing these videos!

[@brandi03werner]

Thank you for this insight. Yall bring perspectives that I have not heard before.

[@andrewsampson6493]

Love listening to the adults in the room - the non sheep

[@ondolite3789]

Where did you do this??

[@BartdeBoisblanc]

FYI Nigeria didn't become a republic until 1961. Perhaps having won their freedom in recent memory has made them not take it for granted.

[@lamplight111]

I love the comraderie of you two. Do you ever are Thomas Sowell's work on affirmative action and the unintentional negative effects of lowering standards and preferential treatment of black and brown ppl?

[@jones6119]

You two are tops. Thank you.

[@kurtis636]

Grievance studies. Most [identity] studies degrees seem to inevitably revert to grievance studies.

[@catherinemaddux241]

I love these two!

[@legacybyredding6147]

Wow. I've never heard black people say we need to the lower the standards. We've always asked for a fair and impartial opportunity to be successful.

[@noeltaylor3594]

Been three months since you posted this and I'm giving you the first thumbs up? Yeah, they don't like the truth. They'll praise these guys for ALWAYS, basically saying black people should just act better.

[@legacybyredding6147]

@@noeltaylor3594 no doubt about it. They parrot the talking points of FOX NEWS. That's why many on the right love them. The have bought into this idea that systemic racism does not exist and al black people do is make execuses and play the race card. Ignorance beyond belief.

[@mikeanderson3604]

Black immigrant mentality is what American blacks need to adopt.

[@Vegaswill714]

Always interesting conversation on this channel. I learned new things about American musical history, thank you.

[@Ninoblack88]

Love you guys content. Any ideas around audience engagement? Live questions? Answering selected questions submitted from the audience? Would add to the show

[@michaelhiggins2562]

Yes, another good session.

[@fbcpraise]

You guys are great. I appreciate your thoughtfulness.

[@keithrezendes6913]

Love the show and the amazing discussions.

[@dragonrider7796]

It’s a great question Glenn asks at ~15: 34 mark, “what about this fiasco of we can’t perform in the academic measures that they use to select elites? Then we turn on the instruments of assessment and invoke structural racism instead of getting our acts together and getting off our asses and developing our human potential.” There is no greater obstacle to greatness than one’s own self imposed limitations

[@brian106699]

Straw man. Donna knows that she can do anything but is tired of pushing up against struggle after struggle. Donna works. She’s not sitting around. She’s freaking tired, John.

[@vuzkoth]

Phenomenal episode. I love the last note!!!

[@TheSeeking2know]

Thanks for the Nigerian shoutout. We have our own battles with misrepresentation or having the minor criminal element being magnified in a way that affects the perception of the rest of the hardworking and resilient populace, at home or in the diaspora.

[@waterboys3001]

I have British-Nigerian friends. They tell me that British Nigerians don't get along with other black people from the Caribbean. Nigerians tend to value education and usually have professional careers. The arguments in Parliament between Kemi Badenoch (Nigerian) and Dawn Butler (Jamaican) are fascinating for white people. Both groups came to Britain voluntarily. Badenoch is a conservative and sees Britain as a land of opportunity, whereas Butler sees herself as a victim. Immigrants from the Caribbean started arriving in the 1940s and they tended to do menial work. Their ancestors were slaves. Badenoch's father was a doctor and she has a law degree. There are clear class differences. Nigerians probably look down on Jamaicans.

[@Nonoatfirst]

I'd sure love to hear these guys' definition of "leftwing" & "rightwing".

[@emmaprocter4062]

Guys get Douglas Murray on

[@GeorgeSzirtespoet]

In UK the majority of Caribbean immigration was postwar and working class with the expectations and habits of that class. Those from the middle class tended to perform well academically. Many of those from West Africa are of middle class origin with those expectations and habits. The kids that do worst in the UK education system are white working class boys. So much is a matter of social class and culture.

[@chet1921]

So, are you implying indigenous people are illiterate savages?

[@brother1ray]

Have you compared the stats for 'black working class boys', to make a fair comparison?

[@GeorgeSzirtespoet]

@@brother1ray That is as I understand it from official UK statistics. All I want to show is that social class is an important factor.

[@brother1ray]

@@GeorgeSzirtespoet There aren't stats for black AND working class available......that's my point! UK Gov only conflates class and race for white population, to make any fair comparison impossible. It's a dishonest misdirection, that too many people fall for.

[@werqzeleke2815]

The west African immigrants are mainly from working and lower classes and the middle classes mainly return back to Nigeria and with the few staying put in the UK.

[@nicholasporteron]

Real Talk.

[@chickenbloodmachine]

My god, Glenn please don't retire before my 15 year old son gets a chance to be a student of yours ;)

[@ondolite3789]

Perhaps your parenting rights should be reviewed.

[@farmbrough]

What people describe as Nigerian mentality in the UK or an 'Asian' mentality in the US (attitudes of working hard and achieving academically) are really immigrant attitudes and can be seen all over the world in the immigrant population (less so in third and subsequent generations).

[@kentklostreich95]

4th grade logic...that's very charitable.

[@joanhuffman2166]

I know that in the early 20th century, all disparities observed in Black Americans were blamed on genetics, but in the 21st century, all disparities are blamed on racism. Too bad the public conversation is not permitted to look at other possibilities.

[@suttonfarms2343]

I love this channel and hearing these men talk. :)

[@ondolite3789]

:(

[@HeavyK.]

God, I love these guys!

[@ondolite3789]

😃

[@raxacoricofallapatorius8484]

I had to pause laughing so hard when John announced he was unsure how to pronounce "Seminal" ... its good to see an academic comfortable with his own tiny ignorances.

[@johns.7297]

Sure enough, if there are problems in your life, the first place to look for a contributing cause is in a mirror.

[@TipToe67]

Demanding inclusion while practicing exclusion.

[@DarrylMiglio]

Thanks for the info about the 'Shuffle Along' Was is an influence to Gershwin, I wonder

[@truffleshuffl]

Let me give you my insight. I’m white, but Jewish, my mothers side is irish (british but I personally grew up in Canada and moved back to the UK at 14) all my life I did what my father told me to do “don’t tell people you’re Jewish” however I never hid it, if it came up organically I wouldn’t shy away from telling people. People who had known me for a long time didn’t treat me any differently when they found out, I’m me, end of. People who did😮know me would look at me and re evalute everything they knew about me with a new twist of “he’s Jewish” many people were incredulous, they couldn’t believe that they had grouped me as white Christian or atheist and never questioned it. I personally smoke weed and for the same reason I never tell anyone, I don’t want to be pigeon holed by other peoples pre conceived notions of what a pot smoker is like. Both things are technically part of me, but they in no way define me. What defines me is who I am and how I treat people. I would be pretty upset if I didn’t have the opportunity for someone to get to know me witho😮the cover I have of simply not telling anyone. In fact, I once had someone treat me pretty badly because he thought I was American, when he found out I was Canadian, he was relieved, he apologised for all the dirty looks etc. I don’t think I have ever found someone as detestable as that guy, he didn’t know me, we had never met, my behaviour didn’t change from before he knew to after. What I’m trying to say is, your race and your ethnicity, your religion, your accent, all these things are completely arbitrary when it boils down to it and much of how you behave really relates to how others treat you because of those things. I feel more of a kinship with you two men because I feel like we are on a similar wave length than a guy who I have never met no matter his race or colour, and I see no issue with that. People want race to be important, they want religion to be important, but they aren’t. I want to be judge for me, for what I bring to the table and nothing else, and it’s important to me that I treat others the same because I always hated the feeling of someone re-evaluating my worth based on something they often knew absolutely nothing about.

[@charles6762]

I have never been to Europe however I noticed when watching British TV series the difference in society and black Brits. I noticed more integration of blacks and very little victim mentality. The series with black protagonists were portrayed without a racial emphasis to the point that one did not differentiate characters by race only by gender. Which in itself today is tricky .

[@downtownbun]

Victimhood is easier than doing the inward work that intellectuals like you have done. We have lost humility. Confidence is knowing who you are inside, the only way to know who you are is to do the inside work and facing difficult impressions of yourself. Having the humility to boldly look at your demons and scare them away, is too psychologically difficult for some.

[@bryanb30]

31:53 I’ll put it this way! Their once was in between that was documented but now it’s a very subtle thing that requires a metaphorical disentangling. The lines are far to blurred between the collectivist group and those historically are individualistic.

[@diegotejera2742]

Jammin some Art Tatum.. See this culture all too humanizes black people which doesn't help the narrative. Great show gents. Love you both for just being men. ✌️

[@michaelweber5702]

John says Justice Brown is qualified , really ? She can't even define what a woman is ...

[@jimwerther]

He is referring to her resume

[@noeltaylor3594]

Can't define what a woman is? She knows what a "woman" is.

[@grahamt5924]

The African population in England is almost entirely the first generation. I have seldom met a black person born in England. Prior to 1960s, the black population was less than 1% of the UK population.

[@mbee6256]

Similar to Canada. with the exception of a long standing Black community in Nova Scotia, most Black folks here and 1st generation from the Caribbean or Africa.

[@adamhuntley8719]

It might help to know that one's position on issues like race is not really so tightly bound to a political party in the UK like it might be in the US. A number of parties large and small would be associated with generally woke sympathetic mindsets and an equal number with woke critical ones. Quite a number of people who might have been considered left wing are critical of woke ideas but would not be sympathetic to the Tories.

[@ondolite3789]

Can you give me a woke idea?

[@DrCruel]

@@ondolite3789 Here's several: 1) Capitalism and white supremacy are intimately linked. 2) Capitalist societies are structurally racist and transphobic. The only remedy is socialism. 3) Poverty and police brutality are deliberately orchestrated by white capitalists. 4) People are not individuals, but are instead products of the intersectionality of their group identities. 5) The members of some races and ethnic groups are ethically superior to others. 6) Wealth gained through business ownership is unethical, but through looting is ethical and even laudable. 7) People who support the police are fascists, while people who support violent gangs are progressive.

[@koerttijdens1234]

We need more diversity to make Conservative Brits great again.

[@dookula]

come on, the two girl scientists in flying suits in wakanda forever are clear proof black people can do physics

[@jameshudson169]

culture IS race. probably more than biology.

[@yourlogicalnightmare1014]

Every time John appears on Bill Maher, I'm reminded how much I hate his hyper-left politics and TDS disease

[@sivacrom]

About Hamline University: Minneapolis person here... we pronounce it "Ham-lynn," not "ham-line."

[@JOHN----DOE]

Langston Hughes wrote a series of poems called "Shakespeare in Harlem," modifying the form as well as content of the sonnet to the black experience. He didn't dumb it down; he didn't reject the western tradition. He realized he was living within it, it had all kinds of merit as an aesthetic tradition, and he engaged with it successfully, expanding its qualities. This is the equivalent of recognizing that physics is OBJECTIVE and about as far from racist as it's possible to get, so get on with dealing with it as it is, and if you see some perspective left out of its method because of its cultural origins--expand and perfect it, don't reject it.

[@abramgaller2037]

We as Americans don't have a healthy diversity of political opinions.

[@BillBenzon]

You mean Art Tatum and his two left hands and two right hands?

[@alexgibson2871]

cant believe i missed this, but love how John and Glenn cant remember our quaint university names. reminds me of Kmele (i think it was) missing the point about British monarchy. Love all these guys though!

[@abdul7591]

Interesting point about Nigerian immigrants, but is that not equally true of immigrants from other African countries.

[@ondolite3789]

No.

[@TerryMcKennaFineArt]

I agree mostly re standards. But even here, I was in a HS class with lots of first generation Americans (Europeans to - so not a race issue) and they all had lower SATs for their verbal scores than did the rest of us - even kids in honors classes who were academically very successful. So sometime you have to judge the results of a test differently because of the reality of a candidates life.