Are Modern Sports Cars Too Fast? [Doug DeMuro + Kennan Rolsen + Alanis King]

[@AlanisKing]

I’d rather drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow

[@Maliksamuels33]

Miata has entered the chat.

[@Hyperduel1]

I’ll take a boring comfortable car that can make me drive all day for hours without being tired over a fast firm car daily.

[@313soldier313]

I wholeheartedly disagree

[@HAFBeast91]

​@@Maliksamuels33I loved my NC3 Miata so damn much. People who acted like me keeping the already excellent stock engine I was committing a sin.... It's perfectly powered.

[@jonny2085]

Cars and Bids podcast when?

[@johannooyen3213]

There's a reason why the Mazda Miata is such a popular car. Balance and fun is the answer. Not top HP.

[@maxcactus7]

Came here to write exactly that. Totally true and difficult to believe how fun they are until you try one for yourself.

[@SpinnerSingh]

You need to be around the right roads for it to be fun

[@SpinnerSingh]

Some people who live out in the middle of nowhere hp is everything because there's a lot of really long roads straight lines.

[@dtroy15]

Except the Miata isn't very popular? Maybe the word you're looking for is "beloved". Mazda only sold 6,200 Miatas in the US in 2022. Compare that to much bigger and heavier cars. Ford sold 47,600 mustangs. There were about 8,300 hellcat challengers sold that year.

[@SpinnerSingh]

@@dtroy15 na and nb Miata scene is extremely popular. ND sales is not an indication of popularity.

[@scottyo64]

I went from a turbo 996 to a Lotus with under 300 hp. I have far more fun with the Lotus than I had with the Porsche. The Lotus has useable power, pretty much why I still have it after 9 years

[@comedian376]

Interesting. I was having a hard time deciding between an exige/Elise and a 996TT. I ended up with the turbo, and never got to drive a lotus. Would love to try it one day. The turbo is brutally fast at times

[@e.c.1025]

I javelin an owned an 05 Elise since 06. The Novelty has never worn off, the rarest most emotional sports car I have ever driven.

[@BrianCorish]

Agree. I had a 996 Turbo with the X50 pack and it was a little bit dull to drive. It was almost too capable at everything it did. Drove the 992 Turbo S and it is just too fast to be enjoyable on the road.

[@nzos14]

​@@comedian376Ive had my 996 turbo about 10 years now and have driven a friends exige a few times. They are totally completely different cars. Not a judgement, it's just really difficult to even compare them.

[@ecksray48]

After riding in a Model 3 performance, I shared Alanis' same concern that people who never drove anything faster than 9 sec to 60 all of a sudden are in something that's way faster and are more at risk of causing an accident. It was nice hearing someone else say it

[@matklm]

Then again the issue is irresponsible people getting a car, not the car in itself

[@te86a]

Counter argument. Every Nissan altima owner. They don't need more power to be a danger to society

[@QuintusAntonious]

My boss, an old mason in his 60s who has always driven slow diesel work trucks, recently got in an accident and totaled his late 90s truck. He went to a Ford dealership to test out a Ford F150 Lightning, and he was used to the slow build of power in a diesel not the immediate power of an electric drive train so he pressed the pedal almost to the floor expecting to chug gears for a few minutes like in an ICE. NOPE, the thing rocketed to 60+ mph in the blink of an eye, so fast his head flew back and cracked on the head rest giving him minor whiplash. He said that was one of the only times he's felt immediate fear while driving. That's exactly the point Alanis is illustrating. New drivers who are growing up with the faster powertrain of an electric car will be fine, but we'll have significant overlap with older folks who only know ICEs who are going to be a menace in these cars. My prediction? We're going to eventually have a lawsuit of some kind and car makers are going to start putting software lock out limiters on the acceleration curve of electric cars to make them mimic a normal ICE.

[@michaelsilvia1286]

As a model 3 performance owner I completely agree. I rarely if ever bury the petal because you will break the speed limit of a freeway faster than you can probably react to a situation. I love it but will always be careful passing on the highway. Even with the plateau in performance above 80mph, it’s still pulling around 300hp at its lowest output.

[@ViolentMLG]

@@te86aAltima owners are typically born due to the systems at place. We have poor law enforcement for distracted driving/road laws and poor enforcement of driver education. Driver education is a 2 fold issue, you have traffic being jammed up by bad drivers, and then the Altima owners blow your doors off trying to navigate through them in a poor manor with a lack of skill. All of these issues, even including the Electric far too fast issue, would be resolved by driver education and harsher penalties for distracted driving and road laws IMO, such as left-lane for passing only, etc.

[@boogeymanthegreatest.]

Im so proud what this channel has evolved into. A channel that is so much more than what it started from including different types of content that isnt interrupted by some product that has nothing to do with the channel and is too much of the video. This channel and cars and bids has become something to be proud of. Great job guys

[@justinborysenko3885]

Totally with you. But I’d also love to see Doug buy another used Range Rover with a bumper to bumper warranty and fire up the dry erase board total of repairs.

[@uba51]

Meh. Respectfully disagree.

[@KeeganRobbins]

It is so refreshing for legit "car people" to be having this discussion. I want a fun car, but I also want it to be efficient and good quality. I don't need my hatchback to be capable of reaching 200mph or beating a Demon from a stoplight. And your average driver, and young drivers, really should not have that much power.

[@ddeleon4]

I think a big part that is missed by many automotive reviewers when it comes to this topic is location. If you live in an area with access to nice curvy roads, yes, slow car fast = fun. but if you live in an area with nothing but long straight flat roads (thinking Florida), slow car fast is boring. You need a fast car to have any fun. Its like comparing a fun track car to a fun drag car. You can have a fun track car that is slow but you need a fast car to have a fun drag car. I don't think you need a car with a high top speed (doesn't hurt tho) but you need something with good acceleration to have fun on straight roads.

[@SomeGuysGarage]

How did this video happen without one mention of the GR86/BRZ or Miata?

[@Bussdownbandit]

Cause ur fav cars are zesty af u dont get it by now u zest

[@bwofficial1776]

@@Bussdownbandit I have no idea what you just said because I'm not a Zoomer.

[@jeebsy718]

My last couple of cars have been 370-380hp and i honestly think that's borderline too fast for the road. If you're 'enjoying them' in a legal way you're at the top of second or sometimes into third, you don't get much chance to go through the gears and you've got like 2 or 3 seconds of foot to the floor before you're well over the speed limit. Slow car fast is the way.

[@bwofficial1776]

I'm of the same opinion. Where can you safely and legally use monster horsepower that's not a track? Give me something like a Miata or Golf GTI that I can use all of its power and still be within legal and the car's limits.

[@LawrenceMarkFearon]

These Sunday episodes are being polished into gems on this channel. If it were a magazine, I'd be subscribing the print edition. Your combined insight and experience as a group make for entertaining editorials on the car world.

[@TzadikTheManic]

I agree with everything Alanis said. Most rational / pragmatic angle here. These brake neck speeds are superfluous on any “normal” roads. If I lived near the salt flats or took the autobahn sure I’d take a 600+ hp car for fun.

[@yitzele]

"Break" neck

[@TzadikTheManic]

@@yitzele yes I realize. brain fog moment, I plead guilty

[@yitzele]

@@TzadikTheManic lol

[@TzadikTheManic]

@@steffenh.3250 I’ve always imagined the autobahn in an unrealistic and exciting way clearly. Lack of speed limits (save for passing urban centers I believe?) doesn’t equal lack of traffic congestion. If I romanticize the autobahn I blame Kraftwerk ;) I agree with what you’re saying about zipping in your Fiesta and having a truer experience vs the supercar runs!

[@shawpowell441]

I’d pay to see unedited long-form versions of these conversations

[@tonybarnes2920]

I agree with Alanis. I've got a 625hp supercharged 2010 Camaro and honestly, I'll NEVER be able to use it to its fullest, outside of a track. But it's my daily driver. I've got gigantic tires, reworked the suspension and brakes. It's damn-near as good as it gets for a daily, but the power still overwhelms and is only good at running down other cars on long freeway stretches. It would be a better car, all around, with 100hp less, tbh. And most people can't even handle a 250hp car.

[@Lucky008aau]

90% of what makes daily cars great is simply the freedom; that feeling you had when you got your license and that first car (plus a radio and working A/C or heat). The other 10% comes from a car that's fun to drive. 0-60 in 5-6 seconds is a sweet spot, but it's more about steering and handling.

[@desch_metal]

Hands down the best thumbnail so far

[@rem05033]

Great chemistry between all of you. Excellent video!

[@GLH8]

Alanis talks so much sense about regular cars and electrification

[@f1jones544]

I had more fun and memorable drives in my old Gen 4&5 Preludes than I did in my 987 Cayman S. It only had about 315 HP with some light mods but I really couldn't responsibly use it anywhere beyond a corner or two when the second gear redline was above 70 mph. I'd get another but the Preludes were more fun. I could feel like I was driving them above 80% all day. I don't know if I ever did in the Porsche. And they Cayman is now considered "slow," while it was as fast as a top dog Testarossa that I lusted for in the 80s. Last week I had a Tesla launch from my right blind spot. I've been to dozens of F1 and Indycar races, and I've never seen anything accelerate that fast. Never mind that it was 100% silent. Dude had to take to the shoulder to keep from hitting another car about 100 yards ahead of us. I feel I know what I'm doing and wouldn't know what to do with that speed. After seeing that, I was like yeah, govern that acceleration. We aren't trained well enough to handle that, much less expect it from outside the car as a third person. If I see that Tesla 100 yards away, I'll never expect it to be in my space in 2 seconds.

[@HPABQ]

As someone who has raced cars in my younger days, I sincerely think the drivers are a bigger issue than the vehicle HP. The average driver is simply not prepared or skilled enough to deal with a car accelerating at these speeds, or handle a car when it approaches 100mph. When I see people driving on wet pavement in excess of 60-65mph I back away, because it is clear they have no understanding of what hydroplaning is and they are a danger to themselves and others.

[@Bob_Smith19]

Add vehicle weight into the equation and you have horrible accidents on the horizon. The average US driver is piss poor at best.

[@sinine1100]

As someone who got to drive a 550hp car as the third non-driving-school car ever - that is, before I even had my own car (and that was 10+ years ago when they weren't everywhere) ... it's definitely a driver thing. Most modern supercars aren't any more difficult to drive than a stock Corolla ... just don't floor them and you're good. Stick to accelerating at the same rate as you would with your aunt's Toyota, and nothing *too* interesting happens.

[@antonio7334]

how much is 'wet' pavement? Because would it be correct to understand that you would back away when it's raining on the highway from anyone? As I think it would be rare to find the majority of drivers on any major US interstate highway to be driving at or below 65 if not congested, just genuinely curious

[@knight2386]

Nailed it. Most people can’t even demonstrate the discipline to use their turn signals or drive in the correct lane.

[@AlienLivesMatter]

Most automobiles are unstable at best and terrible in the wet.

[@triplebat]

Hey Doug, I think a great video topic would be which automaker has the best overall lineup

[@Elva815]

McLaren, obviously...

[@nahidhassan7987]

Honda

[@durayenterprisesllc4440]

@@nahidhassan7987I love honda, but in what way is their lineup better than toyotas?Honda isn't currently producing a real sports car or conventional truck. Toyota has the broader lineup with comparable quality.

[@triplebat]

@@nahidhassan7987 my opinion was ford because they basically make something for everyone (raptors, Lincoln’s, mustangs, super duties)

[@SuzukiXbase]

We got a debate here i like it but suzuki still got da better line up

[@keving1662]

Electric drivetrains don't get dramatically less efficient as they get more powerful, unlike combustion engines. The EV6 is an outlier (and the tested range may be wrong). The range for the Model Y Performance is around 10% lower than the Long Range, largely due to the tires.

[@raulsalanaranjo6565]

I am totally with alanis in that range is way more important than power in a electric car. You need to get to your destination!!!!

[@estebanbustamantegiraldo2060]

These three talking are like Clarkson, Hammond and May. Great idea bring them to the channel, you guys are so much fun to watch

[@simonmorty8344]

They seem to be evolving well as a trio! However, I'm not sure it's on the level of Clarkson, Hammond, and May

[@Toastmaster_5000]

@@simonmorty8344 That's true but they don't appear to have been friends for as long, and the TG crew is also paid to be entertaining; Doug is trying to have a sincere discussion.

[@NinjaNovice]

Great discussion! Kennan and Alanis are a great compliment to you Doug. I know I've been tough on Kennan for the car reviews (and I stick to it) but he is right at home here. I appreciate Kennan and Alanis's wisdom and delightful approach to cars.

[@blaketindle4703]

Yes! Please stop the “quickest from 0-60” competition! Just make the most fun driving experiences!

[@blu_is500]

In a word, YES! I agree anything between 350hp - 500hp is the sweet spot. The vehicle is powerful, but not so much so that you can’t work most of the gears before Jail Territory. I also agree that kids shouldn’t be given their dad’s Plaid as a first car, but I don’t see how that could be regulated. Thanks for posting, this was great!

[@Toastmaster_5000]

Even 250HP can be plenty if the car is small and light enough.

[@blu_is500]

@@Toastmaster_5000 I can see that. 👍🏽 Personally I kind of prefer a heftier vehicle, but that’s me. 😎

[@saranath0317]

Love these conversations guys, keep’em coming!

[@Moore660]

James from Donut said a great thought when comparing old and modern supercars: old sport cars can give you a joy before its too dangerous. Whereas modern cars usually do that by being very fast. Which is always dangerous.

[@SIMOTES7]

I've always felt like I was the only one who ever thinks about this all the time. The fact that you can get so much power for so little money or with terrible credit scores should be scary for some people who like to be on the road often. Teenagers and inexperienced drivers will be all over the road with cars that are way too fast for them, and I'm honestly surprised we're not doing anything like Australia (not that I would want that). Also, Doug's Australian accent is hilarious 😂

[@jasonberg7644]

I don't see why people with less money or worse credit scores shouldn't be able to go as fast as wealthier people with better credit scores. Experience is the issue.

[@bwofficial1776]

Natural selection. They'll either learn to control the power or they won't have the car for long. I looked at what Australia does and that seems like needless government meddling. Going slower than the speed limit is a hazard. If Bruce's parents only have V8 cars and can't afford another less-powerful car, too bad for him. I love that the US decided not to be subjects and instead chose freedom. I'm always in favor of less government anything.

[@CJ-Giddyup209]

​@@jasonberg7644Because their experience led them to that low 'social credit' score. Now y'all don't know which side I'm on 😊

[@jhref]

​@@bwofficial1776except your mistake can "naturally select" a family just minding their own business.

[@Wilhem275]

​@@jhrefThey always forget others' freedom when promoting their own

[@RedMangabey]

Great video. It is amazing to think regular cars can have absurd power, but then you realise it is not wise that now your aunt can have a crossover that accelerates faster than a supercar.

[@marcog9842]

Getting gapped by a modern Prius today feels different

[@2rueblue]

6:12 I'm with Alanis on that point, because I think cars are inducing confidence cheques that the driver's abilities can't cash. I am in my 50's and my first car with abs was a 5-year-old Peugeot 406. So I have had way more vehicles that have had no nannying for the driver so I knew when my car was going to lose traction I knew how to use Cadence braking as ABS was an option I either couldn't afford or it was just not available. So I remember the bad old days, new drivers have a level of confidence they have not earned and that frightens me. It's not their fault it's just that the car is doing more for them and when you add hundreds of horsepower that becomes dangerous. I believe they should restrict the power and top speed of cars for novice drivers of any age, it would be easily done with the technology we have now you could have the car do a simple biometric scan on the steering wheel and cut down the power if the kid was driving the parents car and everything is unrestricted if a parent is driving it would be as easy done as a memory seat option. My point is that we need to be responsible and teach drivers how to handle cars with such high torque and horsepower I see cars with 10x more hp than a seriously quick car had back when I was growing up over here in Scotland. I love the new format guys and girl It's way more relaxed than I thought it would be and it's allowing all your personalities to shine. All the best from Scotland.

[@nirfz]

I'm in my 40's and i too remember non ABS times. And while i understand the "power limit for certain ages" argument, i don't think it would help much. There are people our age that can't bring their brain to the realization that traction control and stability control won't cheat physics. So it's not just an age thing. As bad as it sounds i think driving (operating the car) needs to be more difficult than it is today. When people are occupied with driving the damn thing, they won't get distracted so easily. And when they raelize how easily tires can slip with high hp and torque, and need to learn to deal with an emergency braking situation without ABS they might have a better feeling for the actual physical situation they are in while driving. How we could achieve that i don't really know. I could imagine putting people in cars without traction, stability or anything else-control as well as without ABS every year or 2 years on a slippery surface and let them try.

[@SteveFye]

7:17 Alanis laughs like an air horn blast. Lol. You can tell she was embarrassed by that laugh and very relieved that nobody really noticed it!😂 You all are great together!

[@cliftongardner4367]

I'm driving an Ecoboost Ford Maverick with 250bhp and 275lb/ft of torque, and combined with the 8-speed auto, it's more than quick enough to get 16-year-old me killed. From a sports car perspective, I think there will always be that engineering *need* to produce bigger numbers, and most of those buyers probably are going to track them or otherwise "collect" them, but the trickle-down effect is what's more concerning. When used cars that first-time buyers purchase start having 300-500 horsepower, it's going to get dangerous for people not accustomed to breaking all four wheels loose when you punch it out of a corner.

[@michaelhatfield5808]

Launch control in a 600 hp car is an amazing feeling, and as such, I love driving a fast car as it was intended, fast.

[@Dark_Ben007]

Doug, it’s time to buy a quirky desk so everyone can fit 😅. Love these discussions ❤

[@SpaceTech54]

I moved my wife from an MK-Z to a SHO w/ 365hp and she's gone nuts with Power!! Those not used to it - get addicted to this SPEED....

[@BadPhD777]

I have had a 2013 VW GTI for four years now and it is an absolute blast to drive on twisty mountain roads. It's all I need to enjoy driving. I'm leaving on Sep 5 for a 8 day, 3500 mile road trip. Just me and my GTI on backroads in nine different states.

[@isaacfortner]

I have a Mach-E GT. I love the performance of that car, but whenever people ask what I think of it, I always recommend the Premium trim, with less power, but more range at a far more reasonable price.

[@UpperRobin29]

🤮🤮🤮

[@jasonknight5863]

🤢🤮

[@nunyabidness3075]

I don’t worry about the sports cars being too fast. It’s the trucks, minivans, and other cars with crummy brakes and handling that are too fast.

[@jeebsy718]

the throttlehouse vid on the plaid was super critical of it because of the brakes.

[@supergeek02468]

Something to keep in mind: with all electric cars, the size of the battery pack almost directly correlates to how much power you have. That battery is 2-3x the cost of the motor and power electronics, so making a slow EV isn’t that much less expensive than making a fast EV with the same pack.

[@user-km7rc4qc2j]

Suspension, breaks, wheels

[@Toastmaster_5000]

You're _kind of_ right. You can't have a great deal of performance in an EV without a big battery, but you don't _have_ to pair a big battery with a big motor. There is nothing stopping manufacturers from using a 100KWH battery with a very reasonable 250HP motor. I suspect this doesn't happen for 2 reasons: 1. Because of what you said: the batteries cost so damn much, so it's hard to convince anyone to spend $40K+ on a vehicle that takes a long time to refill. You need to offer something extra, and it doesn't really add too much cost or weight to make the motor a _lot_ more powerful. 2. Batteries are _HEAVY._ Sometimes they just need that extra power to deal with the weight. It's just... they don't need 450HP in a crossover. Once battery prices and weight come down, I think we'll start seeing more reasonable HP numbers.

[@EyesOnlyNL]

The problem with horsepower is that you get used to it too quickly. I find myself tailgating cars without wanting to. When you get used to the acceleration and you never drive slower/normal cars anymore, you forget that it isn't normal to hit 100kph in no time at all. I drive a (heavy) Polestar with 480hp and a (light) Porsche with almost 400hp. Both do about the same 0-100 kph but in the Polestar you hardly feel it. No noise, no vibrations. I've always been a really careful driver but now with these cars I'm learning to slow down and be more considerate of others on the road. Not blaming the cars though! I blame myself for buying them and not properly realizing they are in a whole different league than most cars on the road and I have to adjust to that.

[@MaxAndHisBike]

I love your chemistry, if you weren't on KZbin already that would be a great Trio for a Channel

[@susannero6401]

Another factor that wasn't mentioned is weight: the more power, esp. electric, the more weight. And that itself has a negative effect on the driving experience. Also wears out tires (and clutches) quickly, which is a bigger deal in the ownership experience than most car reviewers realize.

[@ImARealHumanPerson]

This was so much more entertaining than I could have even guessed lmao

[@lowellhouser7731]

So once again the bone stock Mustang GT comes out on top - fast enough to be fun, better than everything else to live with everyday.

[@JahyMoonwalker]

A coyote with mild handling mods (lowering, wider tires) is really enough for me. If it gets beat up I'm not out a lot of money, and it's easy to maintain.

[@snakeeyes9246]

Unless you live in areas with cold winters and no ability for it to get traction.

[@nitehawk123]

Doug, you need some echo cancelling things to your garage

[@benjaminrobinson3842]

Perhaps there's something that could be done on the microphone end. I'm not an audio expert, so take this with a grain of salt, but it seems like that would be easier than tinkering with the garage itself.

[@AdamG1983]

He just needs better mics. He has too much shit on the walls for him to put up sound dampening material.

[@confusedscreaming2335]

No modern sports cars aren't too fast. Modern sports cars are too *expensive.*

[@TheVeganVicar]

I buy USED cars only. 😂

[@okexotics]

Way too expensive to the point Older cars are way way better!

[@mengsrunkhim1217]

These discussion videos have become my favorite in Doug channel.

[@ryanlafary4989]

This is a great video! I could listen to the three of you talk about this kind of stuff all day. It’s a very interesting subject that not a lot of people think about.

[@Adamk24]

This was a really fun video. You can tell all three of them were having fun here. Love it.

[@mikecarnivale7304]

You could easily put out a car with lower horsepower but give it a manual transmission and that thing would be way more fun to drive than any other car with higher horsepower with an automatic.

[@Bussdownbandit]

Grow up

[@bwofficial1776]

@@Bussdownbandit No. Adulting is no fun.

[@dwane42]

Ive avoided these Doug collab videos for so long, and i must say im pleasantly surprised, huge change of pace from the usual Doug vido but still really good, fair play 👏👏

[@romanhuxtable1341]

The thumbnail definitely caught my eye 😂

[@danieltackett4089]

To me, the EV range vs. acceleration discussion is similar to the manual vs. automatic (in a sports car) discussion. The automatic is definitely quicker for acceleration and on the track. But if you’re not always at the track, the engagement of the manual is more fun every day. 3 pedals make even a drive to the grocery store more enjoyable.

[@brandonjames1606]

I completely agree that a 600hp, 5000lb crossover is scary considering what kind of car a would be owner is coming from. However, enthusiasts tend to not use 100% of the loud pedal 100% of the time, so having 400hp+ doesn't necessarily matter as much until you can exploit it safely.

[@D-Rockk]

The thumbnail for this video is top teir amazing!! I love how fun these videos are Doug!!

[@zeroelus]

This channels thumbnails are always good, but this one was epic!

[@D-Rockk]

I love the editing, thumbnails, and all their jokes!

[@yogibearstie]

Many times I have seen fast cars going 60 to 80 over and over again on the freeway. It’s just stupid push the go pedal. Keeping a Miata in its power range is a 1000x more fun.

[@billthehofcollector4525]

Rented a Plaid a few weekends ago. It is MIND ALTERING. Being a tuner and drag strip person back 15 years ago, it’s almost sad that you can’t really beat these silent cars with something that sounds good. I am older and boring now, but if I had the money, I couldn’t get myself to buy anything other than something like a plaid

[@AfriqueNY]

My motto is cant beat em theb join em

[@danielp709]

The truly scary part of the typical ev right now is their weight. That speed potential and the massive amount of weight along with it really places other road users in a dangerous situation. The force of a 60mph crash is 4x that of a 30mph crash. The more mass traveling at that speed is just more force. The reality of a great many cars on the road being 4000lbs+ then becomes pretty terrifying.

[@InterstateRaziTV]

Doug, Keenan, and Alanis would be a great trio for Top Gear.

[@Cameronb.1026]

No

[@delxinogaming6046]

We’ve had this conversation in every generation, as cars went from 1 to 100 to 200 to 500hp+. We saw crumple cages, and seat belts and airbags and ceramic brakes evolve as a result.

[@magellanicspaceclouds]

I've been saying this for a while now. Fast cars are technologically impressive but there's way too many dumb people in society to just give them out willy nilly.

[@stevenr5149]

Reality check I’ve been a nurse for 15 years and these types of cars and Tesla’s have been out for a while. I have never seen an motor vehicle collision that has resulted from an EV that was too fast.

[@stephenbacks3100]

Love my 2018 Miata. Fun to drive, but not really fast. Mazda has figured it out. It seems like such a simple thing, but GM (Solstice and Sky) and Honda (S2000) built faster versions, and where are they now?

[@pkbeast]

While not a super high amount, it's still surprising how many people have asked me if I'm going to put a turbo or supercharger in my 420HP V8 R8. My answer always is: "Never say never, but considering I don't track it, I can't see what more fun I can get from a 700HP car than what I can get in my 400HP one." Never driven anything faster than my R8 but from personal observation on how quick and easy it is to break the speed limit in this, I don't really see the point. Glad to see that this isn't just me being a horsepower prude or something and others feel the same way.

[@MikeS42069]

Spaceballs: the thumbnail!

[@simonmorty8344]

Alana obviously needs a bigger laptop for all those stickers! Secretly trying to outdo Doug lisense plate collection on the channel!

[@loufaiella3354]

Here in the peoples republic of NJ, great speed= great trouble/mega cost. I love the term " party trick" that says it all!! Recall the old Porsche (and others) with very low HP., and a stick shift. Great fun, and you as a driver manipulated speed. With electric cars so amazingly fast why bother to compete anymore.

[@philipptielmann]

super nice round of people. and alanis is getting better every show!😊

[@kevinjo2041]

Got an EV6 GT, wow. Fast, corners great, low center of gravity, tons of tech. Also have a 67 camaro with 550 h.p. 6 speed. Brutal and dangerous but more fun than the EV6, gets more looks too. I like them both though.

[@LAndrewsChannel]

Funny how in Europe a 170-200 HP car is considered 'fast' and 'sporty', yet in US is pretty much 'slow'. I guess this is what happens when the biggest capacity affordable gas engine for most people has 2L.

[@Pk1998AMG]

It's hard for people to remember the times not that long ago when the fastest car on the road was a 911 that did 0 to 60 in 5 seconds flat. Now 5 seconds is almost the standard for just being quick, we have so many turbo 4s that will get cars to 60 under 5 seconds. A god damn Hummer EV will go to 60 in under 4.

[@JPLOgunquit]

Doug: we are car experts Kennen: we are car enthusiasts. I love his modesty

[@doggedlydetermined7022]

Too fast for a racetrack? No Too fast for the street? Yes

[@atwaterstreet]

Here in Los Angeles, where traffic enforcement is under-staffed and horsepower = manhood, speed and decibels are a feature of public streets - and we've the fatalities to show for it. Horsepower needs to be federally capped.

[@bwofficial1776]

I'm in favor of less government control over anything. Besides, Japan tried to limit cars to 276 horsepower and all the carmakers responded with cars that made exactly 276 horsepower, wink wink.

[@brutus8123]

I love these videos Doug! These discussions are great

[@agrippa1234]

I would still be in a Miata (instead of my Manual C7) if my age and physical "decay" did not alter my circumstances.......

[@GO-tq6hs]

i think in a few years its gonna be less about speed, and more about how much armor your car has for when it gets hit by a 10 thousand pound EV SUV

[@MudvayneS10]

Here in Germany we got a lot of old people missing the brake pedal on supermarket car parks and instead accelerating in some shopping windows, which means they don't realize their mistake for not only a few seconds. Other people can jump away, but with electric power that's getting too dangerous. There should be a senior and young driver mode.

[@believeinmatter]

I sound like an old man saying this, but I’m old enough that I think 500 horsepower is more then enough 😂 I see numbers like 2300hp and that just sounds unapproachable

[@drunkenhobo5039]

I liked the era of hot hatches having around 200 bhp, with the occasional mad one like the R32 or Clio V6 having a bit more.

[@believeinmatter]

@@drunkenhobo5039I totally agree! Having over double that horsepower in smaller cars like that has got to be terrifying 😂

[@rohitagarwal329]

This thumbnail, chef's kiss.

[@pimaniye41]

It's weird to see in USA daily cars have more than 300 hp.

[@benjamincaron46]

Keep in mind, most cars that are daily drivers in the US are full-size SUVs and Pickups. While they may have 300 - 500 HP, they also we more than three thousand kilos.

[@moa-wg3bo]

@@benjamincaron46 mainly the roads are massive (and ugly). you need more power to have fun on a big road.

[@jonathansefcik473]

Cars will eventually accelerate so fast, human drivers will black out from the g-forces. Cars will get too fast when they exceed human limitations.

[@dariushodson4227]

Your thumbnail made me very happy. 😂 Keep up the good work, Doug! Kennan and Alanis are great on this channel.

[@UnitiveWILLIAM24]

Alanis is very intelligent and adds a good dynamic

[@tlniec]

In a word, yes. But I'm one of those "rather drive a slow car fast" kind of guys.

[@drunkenhobo5039]

Lightness helps a lot too. My car has no power but it also weighs barely over a tonne, so it's quite fun to drive.

[@corinthiansthirteen2830]

FREEDOM!!! If a person wants a 5000HP car truck or motorcycle it is their freedom to have it.

[@acronus]

Do people really need a sub 5 second grocery getter? YES!!!

[@PorkchopExpression]

Mine is sub 4, driving my old 5 second sedan now feels dangerously slow lol.

[@Yourmission9]

I agree with their take on slow car fast. American manufactures are pumping out muscle cars with upwards of 800 hp (which is awesome btw) and you truly need to be skilled to be able to handle that much horsepower. I’m a car and driving enthusiast and my car has 400 hp and it’s MORE than enough for me

[@sheetsda]

Lateral-G meter needs to be standard equipment for anything over 300 HP and we need to teach people how to use it.

[@donwilber1628]

For what purpose? You can take a corner too fast with 100 HP. HP has nothing to do with it.

[@caelenow2829]

@@donwilber1628true. Something like skid school needs to mandatory before you get a license

[@donwilber1628]

@@caelenow2829 I’d be all in favor of classes that taught people how to recover from uncontrolled situations. We give away licenses way too easily. That said, a G-meter isn’t necessary.

[@sheetsda]

I look at mine when I'm coming around 90 degree off ramps and try to keep it at or under 0.5. Maybe I'm using it wrong.

[@hawkshadowoseanacy5171]

The Nobel m600, I understand, is another almost all analog supercar. I'd love to see a review by doug of this car.

[@cucamongaduke3600]

My Mach-E GT is blindingly quick… for 5 seconds. After that it’s “governed” to calm down. The range is not bad but we definitely haven’t taken it on any super long road trips. You also don’t have to drive it fast; whisper mode can get you places just fine. All this said, I was nodding along with every point you guys made. Spot on.

[@cbcb2930]

300 hp in my 996 is perfect enough for fun everyday without getting in trouble.

[@Midnight.Shadows]

I think there's another factor here they touched on, with non-sport cars, you also have to consider the traffic around you and the speed of traffic, going "Too slow" in traffic is also a hazard, so if everyone around you is doing 80 and you're doing 30, you become a hazard, even if the speed limit is only 30. It's not your fault, but it makes it so that even low performance cheap cars have to be able to keep up, its kinda sad in a way as it encourages people to speed.

[@polton00]

In Florida 90 100 is not uncommon, if you go the speed limit of 70 people will hate you

[@nahidhassan7987]

No car goes at 30 dude

[@Midnight.Shadows]

@@nahidhassan7987 Speed limit dude. Also, you've clearly never been in poverty and had a car for $400 that barely runs. Going faster than 30-35 in my first car was scary AF because the thing was ready to fall apart. The frame was basically dust from being rusted out (Yay rust belt) and it was also 30 years old. But I digress, you missed the point, it was an example, if you're merging onto the highway, and speeds at 80+ and your car takes over a minute to get to 60, you're probably merging at 30-40. Its unsafe, but some cars from about 10-15 years ago just can't keep up, even at full throttle.

[@2nd-place]

LOL at Doug thinking that any EV that is still serviceable enough to “punch it” will be worth only $8000 in the future is hilarious. I can’t imagine my daughter would ever be driving a car under $20K. Especially anything reasonably safe or reliable.

[@Lonely3rrior]

Thanks for Alanis. She brightens up this show. ❤

[@Vader1957]

Just like in the early 70s, the insurance companies will be putting the brakes on all this horsepower. When it cost $10,000 a year to insure your Tesla, the range will become much more important. They did it before and it's coming again.

[@icomefromcanadia2783]

The issue for me is that vehicles in North America are wayyyy oversized nowadays, they're just too heavy, and have awful visibility compared to older vehicles. Smooshing high speed, weight, size, poor visibility together and tossing the keys to the average driver is concerning to say the least.

[@donwilber1628]

Funny, because they used to be larger, at least until SUVs took over.

[@icomefromcanadia2783]

@@donwilber1628 Roads are filled with crazy heavy and large vehicles more than ever before. Yes, Americans made some large vehicles in the 60s and 70s, but even then it was a niche market, and they were usually coupes and sedans with good visibility, and less traffic on the road to hit. Plus, the rest of the world was smaller, and even in USDM there were smaller vehicles available, where now there are almost no reasonably sized vehicles. The significantly increased weight and diminished visibility of the majority of vehicles today is a big problem now. Getting hit by 2023 SUV is a lot different than getting hot my a 1996 Civic, (and in 1996 there weren't many SUVs, so you were more likely to get hit by a Civic)

[@bwofficial1776]

We have large vehicles because we're a large country with large cities and large highways. We don't need to squeeze into tiny hatchbacks to putter around our thousand-year-old cities. My truck has great visibility because it sits up high. I like being able to look over smaller vehicles and see what's down the road. As far as speed goes, it's easy. Don't use all of the accelerator.

[@mannbat]

As an Aussie I'm glad you brought up the topic of license restrictions for young drivers. I find it crazy that in many parts of the world a young/inexperienced driver can purchase a hugely powerful vehicle. With riding it's even worse. The fact someone can purchase a 1600+ cc Harley with virtually no riding experience is nuts. There is, however, something we are very poor at - driver training and testing. Motorcycle licenses aside (the training and testing for this license class is actually fairly good), car licenses are basically a low-speed & parking test. This is a huge problem in such as vast country where a lot of travel takes place on highways/motorways. People are not trained or tested with regards to high speed driving. You only need to spend 5 minutes on a high speed road to see the problems this causes. Our roads and modern cards are easily capable of supporting higher speed limits (highways tend to be 110km/h [~70mph]), it's driver skill that's the problem.