Are Nioh 2 Onmyo Magic Skill Points Worth it For Non-Mage Builds?

[@nightwalker1636]

How do you not have more subs?!?! Thanks for all this info and the hard work you put on this videos. Subscribed!

[@reperfan4]

I think another thing to consider on the use of Amplification is actually how many buffs you're running. Depending on how many buffs you run, you might not actually be gaining much time on a buff if you're spending lots of time actually applying the buffs before entering a boss room or something. Getting 15 extra seconds on a buff doesn't much help if you're spending those 15 seconds casting other buffs. I don't know the timings for sure, but if you're running more than 3 or so buffs, you might actually get more actual usage of your buffs by running Awakening instead.

[@cmoore202]

Perfect timing great content . I’m running an Ninjitsu build and really all I use is the Protection and Barrier talisman. I was just wondering if I needed to invest more than 10 pts into Magic . I guess not lol thanks

[@Onos]

Haha love it when that happens. Seems that I occasionally pick up questions from people telepathically 😂🙏

[@spinomarxist2688]

Great vid as always. In a pure damage output perspective, don't overlook Extraction talisman for Tengen Kujaku high stance buff (which is massive). And also maybe some Water talismans to debuff enemy's defence. You might wanna consider having enough onmyo capacity for all that.

[@Onos]

I'd agree with that. I rely on Extraction talisman for a couple of builds I'm playing around with at the moment. This was just for the sake of testing to see if I could get more "power" by investing points

[@IVANGUARDI]

Love to see how much this channel has grown. Keep up the great work bro!

[@Onos]

Thank you dude! Welcome back! Hope things are well on your side?

[@50literstanggt]

Definitely changing my build now! Thanks Onos!

[@Onos]

haha hope it doesn't cripple your build! I hate angry emails haha

[@50literstanggt]

@@Onos nope, will linky make it better. I was wasting stats apparently

[@shubhabratadutta1856]

Very informative videos. You sir have earned a sub 😊

[@Onos]

Thank you! I really appreciate the support. Hope I continue to earn it!

[@jayjustgames1725]

Once again excellent video! Thanks

[@Onos]

Thanks for the comment dude! 🙏

[@ed-reivax4757]

Useful information, that's what we need. Thank you. Now let's make the same test with nijutsu 😁

[@Onos]

Hahaha dammit 😂🙏

[@FenrirLupo]

@@Onos Thank you! 🙏

[@4DaMovieGuru]

Onos Gaming I would suspect that requires more work. In regards to the shuriken and kunai damage modifier, I wonder how many you can stack before it becomes not worth it in conjunction with the ninjutsu power.

[@EpicfireCG]

Amazing content, keep up the good work. On a side note: I know your big into testing and clarifying overall confusion in the community. For a video idea: Which soul cores work best for large/ smaller enemies, and which work best against Yokai/ humans? For example : otakumari is obviously great against large bosses, not to mention the passive bonus however, its not nearly as effective against humanoid bosses/ enemies

[@Onos]

That would be an interesting topic. I can imagine a lot of people have many different opinions on this one. I'll give it some thought though definitely! Thank you for the suggestion. Love those!

[@PartycleMusic]

Yeah, Otakemaru is effective for yokai bosses, because youkai bosses don't use block, they just dodge. Humanoid enemies have both of them and they have Ki, if they lose Ki you can do Final Blow.

[@VanHoh]

I like when you do these test vids :)

[@Onos]

Thanks Shain! That's two people in a row said that exact thing!

[@alephnole7009]

Currently using an omnyo build, but this is the first time I've heard about the duration increasing. Good to know for both this build and my next one. Wish you would have tested the impact of Equipment omnyo increasing stats too. I'll have to test this myself later.

[@xxhorsexx420]

Also thanks for the info on this. I wondered myself on how much duration or damage would come of it.

[@Onos]

My pleasure - really glad you found it useful :)

[@BerzerkDC]

I think the test might miss the effect of increased skill points in magic on your onmyo damage for direct damaging effects fired at the enemy like fire/water/lightning shot and their variations, maybe also elemental weapon buffs. Could you clarify that at all?

[@Onos]

Hi Daniel. Yes that's correct. I ran the test mainly to check the impact for non magic builds (e.g builds which don't use the casting abilities)... Hope that makes sense?

[@EpicfireCG]

I feel like there are some really strong soul cores that are extremely underestimated, and could deal devastating damage if used/ stacked correctly

[@mattin_together1889]

Thank you for that. I think I’m gonna change a few things with my character tonight. As always I appreciate the video.

[@Onos]

My pleasure! I'm messing around with a new build. Will need more than 10 Onmyo myself, but I need the capacity!

[@RebornGalaxy]

very interesting, never thought about how little it do after 10? woow, I'm running ninjutsu build, think I like it more than magic build.

[@Onos]

I still haven't tried out a full ninjitsu build or a full magic build haha... ended up becoming obsessed with the weapons instead!

[@RebornGalaxy]

@@Onos it really fun try to get maximal damage with shuriken & kunai, problem with my build is I'm running out of these very fast :)

[@Onos]

I think that's why i hesitated to make one. I don't like to rely on something that can run out in the middle of a fight

[@xxhorsexx420]

I did full magic build,garbage in my opinion. Heard it was nerfed. So I switched to a full ninjutsu build...absolutley amazing damage. 907 power, run fire and water feathers,shuriken and kunai damage on all gear with a +10 kusarigama with poison. Absolutely wrecks anything in its path. Poison it by far most damage you can get,with the accessory and cores with melee vs poison. Super OP but still fun every gear has untouched and nin power also. I hold 12 shirokens,been testing it's very random on how many ou can get. Other day I threw 33 out before it emptied. Still had kunai and storm kunai

[@fishnutz5196]

Difficulties higher like Demon Wise and Nioh onmyo is a must have. I personally always go 50 magic minimum as from 30 to 50 ups your buff time and gives your accessoroes an extra 100 defence each

[@Onos]

Thanks an interesting point! I saw your other reply too. I will make sure to review this once the DLC excitement is out of the way. Would be interesting to see the difference. Important to note though, in this test I was only really checking out self-buffs.

[@fishnutz5196]

Just cause from my experience with nioh 1. Way of Samurai and Strong it wasnt an issue but in Demon wise and Nioh if you were a melee build and didnt have defence buffs and werent in heavy armor you would get 1 shot no question, also without debuffs to enemies you hit like a wet noodle on certain ones. For example starting with Way of Demon some enemies will glow red and have like 6 buffs to them and can apply debuffs to you. Also even with 30 or 40 magic your weakness or sloth would only stay on for 5 seconds. Haha i just personally think if people are wanting to tackle the next 3 difficulties and they are a melee build then not using onmyo is a death wish

[@fishnutz5196]

@@Onos oh i know bro i was just mainly say for the people that dont like speccing in magic at all. My little rant wasnt about your vid haha was a good vid ✌

[@SageHerrera]

I love this. The break points on some of the caps really makes me rethink pumping 70-80 Magic into every build.. 😅 I havent tested it, but the main reason I run my omyo this high isnt buff times but debuff application. Without it apllying sloth felt very short when I was farming calamity pulse. So I said screw it and pumped my magic stat/ omyo power in various ways to be over 500+. The sloth talisman started becoming very powerful. Just some extra food for thought. (Although I do tend to prioritize buffs > debuffs because a buff can be active while you take down 1+ enemies. But a debuff is only active for one enemy, and if its a boss; ailments disperse on dark realm shift.) Also a juicy juicy strat/buff I picked up yesterday. Soul purge talisman. If you complete and leave a mission before it runs out- it will not reduce your weapon familarity at all. Which lets you save it as a sort of final boss blitzer. I doubt it very pratical, but the damage is pretty crazy. Need more testing to actually give useful/correct information.. Anyways sorry for long post, ty for the work that went into getting this info for and out to us. You da best 🙏 Edit: also shin rokus guardian spirit skill is OP. Gives a hyper armor buff. Feels hilarious having hyper armor with tiny weapons

[@Onos]

That's an interesting thought... Hmm. Its hard to keep track of debuffs on enemies but I might have to take a look at this... I'd be surprised if the results are much different, but Nioh 2 has surprised me a lot in the past haha

[@fishnutz5196]

You are correct tho. Higher your magic the easier you can debuff and your debuff wont fall off easy until you get to Dream of the Wise

[@bobfisher3749]

Aye what’s tht spinning move attack w the hatchets when you’re fighting the boss

[@Onos]

Hey Bob... That's one of the hidden weapon arts called Deadly Spiral, you can get it from Shibata Katsui

[@humungusmaitredessteppes8875]

Very,very interesting!!!good vidéo and thanks(merci).

[@Onos]

My pleasure - really glad you found it useful!

[@taicontreras6412]

Does more skill points affect the potency of a talisman?

[@Onos]

For magic it doesn't seem to have a big impact to the power of them no, but I haven't managed to test everything so I can't promise you!

[@twiztidloki770]

Can you make a video like this for magic?? I dont use much from ninjitsu but I would like the power pill to last longer. I'm at like 17 points total into magic and it only last around 15-20 seconds id say.

[@Onos]

I was considering doing something like that for Ninjitsu - it might be tricky because of the mix of skill and dexterity, but let me think about it and I'll see what pops up. Thank you for the request by the way

[@twiztidloki770]

@@Onos no problem. I did notice the duration increase when leveling up magic and was hoping it would do the same for ninjitsu but don't want to wast we the points if I wont get any increase on the power pills duration.

[@twiztidloki770]

Also thanks for the reply. I very rarely get replies from you tubers when commenting.

[@Merlin_Price]

Excellent video though a follow up on status applying onmyo would be nice.

[@Napa2323....7]

That's the one skill tree iv gone back and forth on I'm running tank with hatchets atm pumped to lower my magic to ten see what that does with my extra 63 points lol

[@szilardfater6136]

Could you also make a test video about elemental buildup dependency of onmyo power?

[@Onos]

Thank you for the suggestion - I'm giving this one some thought and definitely considering how to run a good test!

[@erickallert2114]

I like the idea, but i really like onmyo, so i always invest in it.

[@Onos]

You know me bro.. I'll never tell anyone how to play the game... I just like tests and spreadsheets 😂

[@erickallert2114]

@@Onos of course. I just wanted to write a comment that could actually make a good conversation without being one of those clichee answers.

[@50literstanggt]

Yay tests!

[@mohamad.h4300]

Hey man thanks for the video just a quick question how can I increase the fire talisman count to 3?

[@Onos]

Hey Mohammad - did you mean how many you can carry?

[@mohamad.h4300]

@@Onos yes sir I figured it out I just had to set the amount in the shrine

[@frederikhordemann5519]

Nice one!

[@katanamaru1]

Are you going to see if the results are better on a high magic build? With switchglaive scaling off magic I'm looking at doing a magic build on my first playthrough.

[@Onos]

For this test I just wanted to see how useful the extra points would be for a non-magic build. If you're planning on switchglaive, then I know that the weapon damage scales directly with Magic points, so you'll want to take it all the way to the top for that

[@AndersonB0428]

50 magic is now a staple in any build i make. Specifically with extraction it lasts 2:10

[@Onos]

Yeah the extra time is super useful. For myself I just can't justify all those skillpoints

[@johnsilver4123]

but magic gives you defense boost also right? defence increases as you level magic more?

[@zackjames2381]

Does it? Dont think it does

[@johnsilver4123]

@@zackjames2381 yeah im not sure, because i've noticed it though when i leveled magic and put more points on them it increased my defense at the same time im not sure why.

[@Onos]

Perhaps it's linked to something you have on your gear. Some accessories for example can have an attribute on them that means your defence scales with magic? Might be that?

[@zackjames2381]

@@johnsilver4123 would be good to find out and let us know, I'm intrigued

[@zackjames2381]

@@Onos hmmm

[@jaudat17]

Yay new vdo :p

[@Onos]

Hahaha thanks dude

[@Renikal]

Why don't you use yokai grapple instead of a regular grapple after a successful burst counter that drains all the enemies ki?

[@Onos]

I blame it on fat thumbs haha

[@rpgtrident3364]

Is it worth it spending points on magic for the A- damage bonus on the Onmyo Warrior set?

[@Onos]

Sorry i thought I'd replied to this!! If there is direct damage scaling on anything then yeah it'll be worth spending the points. It will translate directly into weapon damage if your weapon scales the same way - so switchglaive for example scales with Magic

[@aierce]

If you can kill boss before buff runs out with amplification, use amplification. Otherwise use awakening

[@pablogimenez739]

My english is garbage, but i need to ask you, why dont you use 99 Magic and 99 courage for this build? I think is so much better, more buffs and debuffs and more time for the buffs. I think the demage with the remodel with Magic + courage stays great btw

[@mingzhezhang2992]

Cause hatchet damage scales with skill, not courage or magic. Investing in courage will increase tonfa damage, but I think it also benefits hatchets if you do a lot of throwing.

[@Onos]

Your English is very good! The video was about testing Onmyo skill points used for a build which is not focused on magic use. I was trying to find out if it was worth spending the points on magic or not when my build is focused on different areas (if that makes sense?)

[@pablogimenez739]

@@Onos yes i get It. i am making this build and i thought that way we dont lose demage and get the maximum omnio capability and buff time

[@pablogimenez739]

@@mingzhezhang2992 hatches scale with skill, Magic and courage. You can use remodel to change the weapon scaling...

[@mingzhezhang2992]

Pablo Gimenez I thought remodeling would only affect the scaling to some degree but the main scaling still follows what the level up panel suggests. Remodeling can completely change the scaling?

[@gabek1444]

i like the test vids

[@Onos]

Thanks Gabe. I've got a few more in mind but the my take a while to put together!

[@gabek1444]

@@Onos u should live rec forming vids

[@Onos]

@@gabek1444 you mean do some of the tests on a live stream?

[@Onos]

@@gabek1444 Hahaha I have no clue how to do that.. Will give it some thought. It would be terrible though! Do you have any idea how many times I mess up my lines and swear? 😂😂

[@gabek1444]

@@Onos im sorry i might be kinda annoying lol just do whatever you want

[@jblackmel]

My best builds have capped magic/dex at 10. Don't need all these spells and ninja stars to be effective.

[@yoakamsoupen]

“Onos”ly a question that I had myself ^_^

[@Onos]

haha It took me till now but I finally figured out what the question was . (was tired when I replied) - the distribution of my stats in that vid was actually baed on a hybrid build I was trying out - not perfect, but very fun to play. Hatchets and Katana combo - there is a video if you wanted to check it out - just be aware the build isn't OP or perfect! ...ps... loved the pun - good work haha

[@anasalmatuoq2520]

You're name us Onos I'm Anas and there is an Arabic name called Unus. Need one more and we can make a team.

[@Onos]

Hahaha - love that. The name Onos is actually short for Onost'oolan from a series of books by Steven Erikson. ...I do wonder if there is anyone called Enus we could find to join the team though

[@anasalmatuoq2520]

@@Onos I was wondering if there was Enes, there is another Arabic female name called Enas. However your name is cooler 😂🔥

[@Onos]

@@anasalmatuoq2520 Hahaha thanks. To be honest I stole my name though which makes it slightly less cool 😂😂

[@785paris]

Hmm...interesting...

[@Onos]

haha I wonder if the thought police are going to arrive and stop me from forcing people to think against their will?

[@aierce]

For none mages you really need 30 magic, barrier, protection, 2 of each elemental stop uses up all the slot afforded by 30 magic

[@fadbamsen321]

isnt it the omnyo magic power its all about? not the magic points really, cause you can get power from alot of things?

[@Onos]

This is true, but adding points in Onmyo does add power at the same time. The test was mainly to see what impact it had at base level on buffs for non-magic users if that makes sense.

[@youngjust3073]

So no more then 30. Gotcha

[@ironleeuwarden8110]

50

[@INS1977]

Item limits suxx.. Annd you dont knew what Item use.. Shurikens, kunai etc