Are Progressive Christians Hijacking Jesus? With Jason Jiminez

Progressive teachers and churches now offer a version of Jesus that emphasizes friendliness, acceptance, and tolerance-a version that many Christians are falling for. They don’t realize that they’ve been sold a fairy tale that is historically and biblically indefensible. Jason Jimenez joins the podcast today to talk about how progressive teachers are Hijacking Jesus and denying core historic truths about who he is. In this episode, we talk through the progressive teachings of Jesus’ deity and humanity, his virgin birth, his miracles, his atoning sacrifice, his resurrection, and his second coming. Then we compare those teachings to historic doctrines of the Christian faith to equip you to understand and answer the progressive vision of Jesus.
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[@makeitcount179]

"Hijacking Jesus" thought provoking title. This interview engages a lot of trending ideas. Thanks for sorting through some of this.

[@jjosborne1982]

Jesus said In Matthew 10:33 “If you deny me before men, I will deny you before my Father in heaven.” Jesus give me the wisdom and the Faith to keep your word written on my heart.

[@davidgodoy826]

My old church ⛪️ was going through a transition in 2018, two pastors started there own church and our older pastor stayed and hired two woke pastor’s who leaned more left, pushing social justice and it’s ok to vote democrat and they kept bashing conservatives, the unity we had was of the Holy Spirit after 2020 their was no unity it was base of skin color, many families left it was very sad season. Thank God we left that church and the Holy Spirit lead us to a new Baptist church ⛪️ that was NOT woke😊

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Always choose the church and the pastor who offers you what you want. No church can offer me what I want so I don't go.

[@Sherlock245]

What is the church not offering???

[@beckijameson3844]

I am sorry for your loss. I hope you were able to grieve the loss of your former fellowship.

[@gracebythedrop]

Thank you both for your hard work. You are edifying the Church and glorifying the Lord!

[@DD-sz8nw]

WOW! Truly one of the best pieces ya'll have done! We see this everywhere, including the Bible College where we attend. I do not recommend seminary or Bible College to anyone unless they are already strong in the Word, in relationship to Jesus Christ our Lord, and in prayer. Every foundational belief and truth will be attacked. It is very sad! Thank you for sharing this valuable resource and insights!

[@user-cw6rg1lo3e]

Jesus is the same today yesterday and forever he never changes man does not always for the good.

[@benjaminofperrin]

Great conversation. I hadn't heard of Jason before but he's spot on in his analysis. The only way to salvation is through Jesus.

[@sandrawest2844]

A great video it was very clear and I learned a lot about how progressives see Jesus in denial of who he actually is. I do pray that God opens thier eyes to the True Jesus Christ fully God and fully man who paid the altamate price for our sins. Thank you for all your doing and I pray for you and your ministry. X😁

[@Sherlock245]

Progressive, lgbtq, charismatic, word faith, all trying to change the bible its terrible.😢😢😢😢 Men ministry in Australia are using richard rhor teaching and no one seem alarmed.

[@truncated7644]

For 1,700 years, Christians didn't have a problem with slavery. Aren't you glad you changed how you interpret the Bible so that you can treat people like human beings?

[@nelidascott6917]

What an amazing episode! So grateful for your guest who unpacked this topic very clearly! So enlightening and I feel it gave me an ammunition to defend our biblical faith. ❤

[@artdonkersloot1611]

They're trying. May we be equipped to recognize their false teachings.

[@Window4503]

They’ve succeeded with the world at large. The world no longer just gets offended at what Christians actually teach but rather gets offended at what they believe Christians should teach because progressive “Christians” have set their expectations of what a more agreeable Christianity should look like. Because they are of the world, the world listens to them about Christianity even though they’re heretical. Extreme right-wing politics have fueled this fire even more so while also promoting their own false teachings. Biblical Christians will eventually pressed by both sides who will condemn them as not real Christians at all for not trying to establish a theocracy by force yet also not adopting godless ideologies.

[@juliekaus-3344]

Thank you for having Jason on! I have seen/heard him in the Stand To Reason lineup. The conversation was deep but also clear to follow.

[@bettycarmella1127]

Excellent! Thank you both 🙏🏽❤️❤️

[@karenpeterson5780]

Excellent (and needed!) discussion. Thank you both.

[@g.h_-heart-_bunny]

Great live stream! Speaking truth in love to help people and bring glory to God.

[@anthonybarber3872]

Another excellent podcast! Go get em tigers!

[@carriestout6422]

We must test everything with scripture.

[@rosehammer9482]

I’m down to the last chapter. This book was very informative. I began to wonder how much of Karl Poppers worldview and philosophy is a part of the progressive Christian movement and Critical theory. Just a thought. I remain in the original source….our scripture trusting God for understanding and discernment.

[@kellyschroeder7437]

Thank you. Praise Jesus Christ Lord and Savior 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻✝️✝️✝️🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@denniscrumbley8274]

Very good! In Nov. '22 we left the church where we served in several ministries after I was reprimanded for teaching against false teachers, specifically Progressive Christianity.

[@RainbowMan.]

Beautiful!! 😍

[@richardbayless9930]

❤ THANK YOU!

[@All_Things_Biblical]

Absolutely essential teaching.

[@kcrcbest]

thanx needed this information

[@CiliPB]

Very helpful. Been running into Phds on theology on social media, who distort the Bible citing data they find. They sound so academic, sharp, but something is off.

[@geriannfluegeman4291]

All I can say is AMEN!!!

[@makeitcount179]

" Jesus is going to get into everybody's business..." Alisa Childers. ' Do not marvel at this, the hour is coming...'

[@ghost-cathedrals]

What does believing in the virgin birth add to one's quality of life or faith except for serving as a Shibboleth?

[@SDsc0rch]

where is video on Jairus? it posted then disappeared

[@kellyschroeder7437]

Amen

[@mamajo5867]

To whom it may concern, There was a Mormon I was talking to about the Trinity and she was using passages from Isaiah that are used to support the Trinity, to argue against the Trinity, Arguing the corruption of Jewish Monotheism in the Old Testament to support this same progressive claim that the Trinity is influenced by paganism.

[@gummylens5465]

Those who claim to be Christian and yet have Woke views often deny that the Bible is an inerrant revelation. So even before going into the different issues in the Bible, it's so important to agree on what the Bible actually is. “Gay Christianity is a different religion. I’m not standing in the same forest with Greg Johnson and Wes Hill and Nate Collins looking at different angles of the trees, I’m in a different forest altogether.” - Dr. Rosaria Butterfield When people hear about terms like "our mission" or "social justice," do they think of Leftist goals (freeing people from oppression) or spreading the gospel (telling people the good news about a Savior)? Let's not assume that everyone knows the biblical definitions of these words and try to use non-Christianese words that they can understand! :)

[@makeitcount179]

Definitions are vital to productive convo. Each person has a set of unique ideas communicated uniquely. Postmodernism has succeeded in indoctrinating one generation in Language Deconstruction. Postmodernism has also deconstructed "Truth is objective " as well. So establishing a foundation for Truth as Objective is Primary in productive conversation. It's the virtual scaffolding for biblical theology. Without establishing that, I find, conversation is unfruitful for TrueTruth.

[@truncated7644]

Don't you think it is unfruitful to say "TrueTruth"? That in itself is a perversion of language, denying the meaning of the word truth. Why qualify it? Does it not simply mean a statement that corresponds with reality?

[@makeitcount179]

@@truncated7644 Necessity is the mother of invention. This woke culture has created that necessity by making lies sound like truth. Remember Pilate mockingly had Jesus dressed up in a purple robe and a crown of thorns. There is a fine line but Jesus really is the King of Kings and the True Truth.

[@g.h_-heart-_bunny]

Why call yourself a Christian if you don't follow Christian beliefs from the book that teaches Christianity aka the Bible.

[@Stastylen]

Curious does God really need to appease his wrath with a blood sacrifice in order to forgive us? If so, does this mean that the law of “an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth” is the ultimate description of God’s character?

[@readthebible7429]

No, that is a gross distortion of the real message in the Bible, but you do correctly describe the Reformed theology that has hijacked Christianity. Both Progressives and Reformed versions have fallen into opposite ditches. Christianity does better without those errors.

[@Stastylen]

@@readthebible7429 Please elaborate more on the non errors of Christianity?

[@DigitalYarbs]

​@@readthebible7429⁰a

[@johnstewart7025]

Hijacking Jesus? I agree that someone who doesn't believe in miracles, is not a Christian. But, what about someone who believes that God has intervened in their life in a nonsupernatural way. Are they deceived?

[@jenniferlunghofer3799]

Amen, Salvation is Someone Jesus Christ 🙏not something

[@Christianos_Theophile]

Having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof

[@dsmithson531]

It's truly amazing how some that call themselves Christians will only hold to some of the verses in the bible rather than the whole book. Makes me wonder if they're truly saved in the first place.

[@jyri-mattikauranen3686]

Christians don`t care much of the teachings of Jesus, but if something is said in the letters of Paul, it has to be studied and studied and argued and argued. This is the way of the Christians though the name "Jesus" is always on their lips. The Bible is not something fallen from the heaven but Jesus was.

[@anthonybarber3872]

Christians embrace the teachings of Jesus and Paul...in fact all Scripture is profitable.

[@uglybobhere]

From Creation there were false teachers leading sheep to Hell. Thats what the Flood, Bable, seventy years in the wilderness were all about. Be it Baal, a golden calf or Woke, the ravenous wolves attack the sheep.

[@martarico186]

So is William Craig being progressive in his last book about creation?

[@dabbler1166]

NEW KZbinr to beware of: Kristi Burke. She already has videos critiquing: Frank Turek John MacArthur critiquing the Gospel/Salvation. Some good Apologist should counter-argue her. Many will be influenced.

[@truncated7644]

Beware? You might learn something you didn't know and weren't told that changes what you believe. You never have to fear the truth, and you can listen to and reject what is false.

[@dabbler1166]

@@truncated7644 No worries there. I'm far more open than you realize. I've read the NEW Testament, completely, twice. Have you? I've read Bertrand Russell's "Why I Am NOT a Christian" I've taken Philosophy 101, and also a Comparative religion class. Have you? I've also Read C. S. Lewis's "mere Christianity" ("For") I have a Book: An Anthology of Atheism. ("Against") I've also listened to 6 of Burke's videos. ("Against") I've listened to Frank Turek on KZbin. ("For") I also have a very large book library- pro and con. I'm quite well-rounded. I certainly don't fear truth. I am aware of some logical fallacies. But many New Christians have much less knowledge or experience. Same with many Atheists. Many Atheists will never take the time I do to read about both sides. They "know" they are right. So who is really fearing Truth? I dont have a degree in New Testament Studies or Theology. Someone who does, may be better at making videos responding to Burke.

[@truncated7644]

@@dabbler1166 What do you think Burke's best arguments/reasons for deconverting are?

[@truncated7644]

@@dabbler1166 I have read the whole bible multiple times. In fact, I have a degree from a conservative evangelical seminary. I find philosophical arguments pretty inconclusive. I prefer to examine facts that we can both agree on. Do you think humans have a common ancestor with other apes?

[@dabbler1166]

@@truncated7644 You said: "I have read the whole bible multiple times. In fact, I have a degree from a conservative evangelical seminary." (end). I have a hard time believing that. Because what you said in your latest reply, is vague. WHICH seminary? Degree in WHAT? Since you didn't say, its enough to wonder if you are really being truthful. Maybe you are. (After all, who doesn't mention their own degree, what it's in, and where its from if they really have it??). What I said in my comments just before your latest reply, is MUCH more specific and informative! And there are facts in all that that we could both agree on. Or not. As for philosophical arguments, yes, they are useful. But-- they are only ONE tool-in-the-Toolbox. I have others. But anyway-- if you've listened to at least 6 of Burke's videos, as I have, it seems strange that you, someone with "a degree from a conservative evangelical seminary" say nothing about her attacks on the Faith. (see my earlier comments, above). If anything, you almost seem to defend her or make her out to be harmless. I think most Christians reading this would wonder about that. Many of us, myself included, have "had questions". But she has gone over to Atheism and is now very critical of Christianity. Odd, that you brought up "Common ancestor with apes" as that has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING I was talking about. It's about KRISTI BURKE and the effect she may very well have on new christians or ones lacking knowledge. Not me, or you. Not side-issue tangents I never brought up. Like evolution. Alisa's channel has dealt with Progressive Christianity, bad theology, people/authors/youtubers who are leading people into error, etc. so pointing out KRISTI BURKE sounds quite relevant. Many christians are not well-grounded in their theology or faith. (Christians will even acknowledge this about other Christians). It's some of the reasons why Alisa's channel is here. Its why people write books on Apologetics-- to warn about and deal with error, and equip christians. 'Nuff said.

[@normafarmer3254]

Thanks fir this talk. My husband after claiming Christianity,listening to hundreds of sermons of true biblical expository,John Mac Arthur, John Piper, Sproul and many others has now turned to Progressive Christianity. I am aghast that they call it Christianity because its not. It has denied all the fundamentals of the Christian faith. I am so saddened by this, but at the end one realises that it's probably easier to go the way of the world. Anything goes because it's all about love. That's why it has become e popular. Sad indeed. 😊

[@ghost-cathedrals]

Have you talked with your husband about what led him to this process?

[@readthebible7429]

He probably left because he is capable of genuine thought and understands the logical implications of the Reformed system. The Reformed god is fundamentally evil. It is a hijacking of the true message in the Bible, a cancer that attaches itself to Christianity. Progressives are also wrong, but have fallen into the opposite ditch. Real Christianity does not need either side.

[@normafarmer3254]

@ghost-cathedrals oh yes, many times. He has read the bibke through 6 times and says that he now believes that it is not infallible. He started by reading Richard Rhoar, John Selby Spong, then many other Progressive Christians. I have said that this is not Christianity if they deny the tenants of the faith. He sees it as being loving, accepting all, i.e., gay, lesbians, transgender as being Christian if that's what they claim. I think it's just the easy way out. It's not easy to go against the current cultural situation. But Christians have always faced hostility. It is now only becoming more overt in the West. We have to stand for God's truth. Thanks fir your interest.

[@ghost-cathedrals]

@@normafarmer3254 Having such a foundational shift in ideologies between a couple can be really, really difficult. One thing I would say is that it's unlikely to me that your husband is "taking the easy way out." People tend to have a change of beliefs because of certain experiences, interactions, and gradually dawning realizations as a result of healthy intellectual probing and questioning. It would probably be easier to simply continue with "business as usual," because experiencing a foundational change in beliefs is upsetting, not just for the person that experiences it but also because it causes ripples in families and close relationships. I would try to engage your husband to understand the deeper reasoning and core experiences that led to his changing views. Spoken as a person who no longer self-identifies as Christian but who went through a painful process of deconstruction and struggled to get my friends and spouse to understand. On a side note, Richard Rohr, Spong, Marcus Borg etc. aren't boogeymen. Spong is a bit of a provocateur but Rohr and Borg both have profound compassion for the world. If evangelical Christianity is true, then it should be able to withstand intellectual attacks, right? Maybe try reading them and talking with your husband about their work. It's far too easy to label ideological opponents as "enemies" rather than getting at their deeper motivations and exploring why they resonate with their readers. Good luck!

[@truncated7644]

@@ghost-cathedrals Same here. The easy way out is to say nothing and go through the motions to please the spouse, children, in-laws, etc. What is hard is to face the facts that the Bible is a very human book and that the gospels were written decades later in another language by people who weren't Jesus' disciples. You may disagree, but smart, good, sincere, honest people disagree with you, including your husband, who realize we have common ancestors with apes, there was no Garden of Eden, global flood, Exodus, tower of Babel, 24 hours of daylight, etc.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

I am a born again evangelical Christian and Jesus is my invisible friend who will love me and be whatever I want him to be.

[@leenieledejo6849]

Very sarcastic but the bit about Jesus being "anything you want him to be" makes no sense because we have an entire Bible about him. We know about him and then come to know him through the Bible. He can no more be "anything I want him to be" than you or any other person can.

[@truncated7644]

@@leenieledejo6849 Why do we know so much more about Joseph Smith than Jesus? You don't know anything about Jesus until he is at least 30, and yet you want to claim that he never, ever sinned. It's a lot easier to defend when you have no evidence to support that (or contradict it). You have to admit you believe it by faith.

[@leenieledejo6849]

@@truncated7644 Actually I knew on conversion that the Bible is the True Word of God and it says in the book of Hebrews that Jesus was "without sin" (and it says in Peter's epistles that we are to follow in his steps...and in John's first epistle that we are "to walk as Jesus walked".

[@truncated7644]

@@leenieledejo6849this is a serious question so not meant to just dump on your beliefs. But the question is why do you believe what those three people wrote? We don't know who wrote the book of Hebrews, and we definitely know that the disciple Peter did not write the epistle you referred to. Why believe two people from 2000 years ago you never met when you don't believe anything testified to buy the disciples of Joseph Smith?

[@leenieledejo6849]

@@truncated7644 Because when you're born of the Spirit (the definition of a Christian: John 1:12-13) the first thing that happens is that you are "sanctified through God's Truth" and you know that His "Word is Truth". That, in fact, is what Jesus prays for in John 17:17. We also know that Jesus is the Truth (John 14:6) and he indwells the believer (2 Corinthians 13:5) through the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is our teacher and guides us into all Truth (Jesus's words in John 14:26 & 16:13). When I was saved, the Bible immediately became easy to read for me after 40 years of not making head or tail of it despite having a languages and literature degree in two different languages (for which I read about 40 books over 5 years). When you KNOW the author, His work is easy to comprehend. I also knew immediately what was from the Bible and what wasn't (despite, at that point, not having read it all obviously). For example, one time a Catholic friend convinced me to go to a prayer service at a Dominican priory (I live in Europe) and because I was ministering to her, I went (I wouldn't now). I walked in 5 mins late and one of the monks was reading from "Scripture". I immediately said to myself (or probably it was the Holy Spirit since we were now aligned): "THAT is NOT from the Bible/the Word of God". And indeed it wasn't. It was from an extra canonical book that the Roman Catholic "church" includes in its Bible.

[@kcrcbest]

wooow that help, gnostic

[@formerfundienowfree4235]

It's very sad how narrow-minded some people are.

[@sgabig]

Who do you view as narrow minded?

[@makeitcount179]

Truth is a Person we can trust but the God of your imagination is a deadly delusion.

[@renegadeoftruth2891]

Matthew 7:13-14 "Enter through the narrow gate..." Jesus.

[@robertdouglas8895]

"That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." When Jesus taught about being born again, we was saying that neither he nor us can be both of God and flesh. 20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who [a]will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me." We are one with God and Christ, not the body.. That is the Atonement, the "at one ment." We know that though by what he said on the cross, not by his works. He taught us how to return from thinking we are separate from God, "Why have you forsaken me"" The necessary step is to forgive those we think have hurt us, "Forgive them for they know not what they do" Then we are reconciled with others and with God. "For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you." So we can go on with our lives knowing we are in the hands of God. "Into thy hands I comment my being." That is the process of atonement. ". If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent."

[@sgabig]

"When Jesus taught about being born again, we was saying that neither he nor us can be both of God and flesh." FALSE - heresy sounds like you are promoting Docetism : "Christian heresy and one of the earliest Christian sectarian doctrines, affirming that Christ did not have a real or natural body during his life on earth but only an apparent or phantom one."

[@robertdouglas8895]

@@sgabig Not just Jesus is spirit but we are, too. Bodies are not what our identity is any more than the cars we drive are who we are (Even if lots of people identify with their cars.) "You are on the earth but not of the earth." "The kingdom of heaven is within you." That is how we communicate with what is real, God, through prayer, not with the senses. "Judge not by appearance but judge by righteous judgement."

[@robertdouglas8895]

@@sgabig Docetism. the doctrine, important in Gnosticism, that Christ's body was not human but either a phantasm or of real but celestial substance, and that therefore his sufferings were only apparent. His body was the same but his mind was not. He said,"I have all power over heaven and earth." If you had that would you choose to suffer pain?

[@terrypaul7706]

@@robertdouglas8895😂 God is I AM forever( exodus) the bible is parable, allegory, symbolism, metaphor! It is a story of consciousness! That’s what I AM means awareness of being! I AM that I AM!! I AM what I will be! The crucifixion is over! God is crucified to ALL! This body is the cross! Pick up your cross and follow me! Who said that? Jesus! Who’s Jesus? The personification of I AM in the story! The story of YOU! The end state of being! That is the end! Not of this place but of your journey! It is resurrection to come which happens within individually! The kingdom is within! The book is written of a kingdom which takes place within all! The states the soul passes through! Abraham means faith, Moses means to draw out, David means beloved, eternal youth who is the son! Jesus is the father. We are the father sleeping! Awake o lord why sleepest though! ( psalms) awake o sleeper and rise from the dead ( Paul). To be carnally minded is death! If you do not believe that I AM ( he).. ( you) then you will die in your sins! You will stay in your ignorance of missing your mark in life. The point

[@tomhitchcock8195]

Counterfeit Jesus

[@DD-sz8nw]

Spot on at minute 45! We don't want to submit to Jesus, and the kingdom of His rule and reign!

[@reginaford8575]

Need to return to studying the well written catechisms😊

[@user-hf3uo4pr4e]

Alisa is free to believe whatever she wants, but what she always touts in her videos as "historic Christianity" is actually an admixture of Evangelicalism (invented in the 1700s) and Christian Fundamentalism (invented in the early 1900s). Compared to the span of Christian history, these are relatively recent notions.

[@formerfundienowfree4235]

I concur

[@lesleyknox1243]

Know your bible and invite the Holy Spirit to lead you into all truth ..

[@americarocks1776]

But is it biblical. That's what matters

[@annb9029]

Are you Greek Orthodox

[@Window4503]

Reading the Bible and coming to conclusions based on the text need not be tied down to recent historical movements. Just because something is older doesn’t mean it’s truer. Indulgences certainly didn’t turn out that way. Sometimes movements are a revival of what was old and forgotten. I get what you’re implying but it’s a very weak argument.

[@johnstewart7025]

Atonement? Isn't it sufficient to say that we believe that the death of Jesus opens the door to ever lasting life? Why is it necessary to get into the nuts and bolts of why and how that happens. Isn't it sufficient to say that it does? Ultimately, whatever your theology says, it is up to God who burns and who doesn't. We know Luther inserted "sola fide" into the Bible because of his desire to know if he was saved. That kind of certainty may not be available this side of death.

[@TheologicalDissident]

40:22 "Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness in Luke 19:11" I think you meant to quote Hebrews 9:22 which says, "And according to the Law, almost all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." Of note there, are the words "according to the Law". Or said another way, "under the Law". Which is to say that "under the law....without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." To read too literally into the metaphor of Jesus as a "ransom" or a "propitiation" is to miss the point: Forgiveness that is only offered by God, UNLESS and UNTIL He is paid in blood to do it, is not forgiveness at all. Forgiveness, literally, means the cancellation of an UNPAID debt. If a debt gets PAID for, regardless of who (or Who) does the paying, then that debt cannot be forgiven. For forgiveness to mean anything to a believer, it must be understood as being given freely. Jesus didn't have to die in order for God to forgive sinners; rather, believers needed Jesus to RISE FROM THE DEAD in order to believe in the forgiveness of God, which God gave freely..."But the FREE gift is NOT like the transgression." (Romans 5:15). "For the wages of sin is death (as opposed to the unbiblical teaching of "life in hell"), but the FREE gift of God is eternal life." (Romans 6:23) The Latin "legal" theory of the atonement of Jesus, popularized by Anselm of Canterbury some 1,000 years ago, has turned God into the ultimate legalist (or Legalist, as the case may be). It's also no surprise that the theologian Tertullian (who not coincidentally, was a lawyer) laid the groundwork for Anselm, in that he could not reconcile God's love with what under Roman jurisprudence required "justice". Christians today subconsciously assume God to be one Who offers a sub-par "faith" based "righteousness of faith" in LIEU OF the REAL thing, which would be "legal" righteousness or "righteousness of works" under the Mosaic Law. The doctrine of the atonement as you've spelled it out here is nowhere spelled out in the Bible.

[@colinpurssey9875]

I'm not much abreast of neologisms and in this video discussion you use the word "woke" both profusely and pejoratively , so to have some explanatory clarity of its meaning I consulted the Cambridge Dictionary . It defined the word woke as having a concerned awareness of social , political , racial inequality and injustice , with an aspirational goal to undermine and subvert the ideological and cultural prejudices that sustain those realities . Sounds to me just what the Being in whom God was incarnate , Jesus Christ , was fearlessly commanding , by both word and heroic personal example , as is recorded in Sacred scripture . You guys need to re-evaluate your understanding of Christian ethics !

[@SteveWV]

Thomas Jefferson wrote a Bible without miracles didn't he?

[@terrypaul7706]

At-one-ment! At one mind! The mind of Christ! God is ONE! Who is God????? I AM ( exodus 3.14). If you don’t believe that is God then you don’t know God! Better start seeking within because that’s where you find God! The kingdom is within you! Luke 17.21

[@milpormilunmillon]

But seeking within makes you susceptible of deceit. If one doesnt know God, that person should turn to Scripture!

[@terrypaul7706]

@@milpormilunmillon to read scripture without knowing yourself you will deceive yourself! In the parable of Phillip and the Ethiopian in acts he asks him do you know what you are reading ? He reply’s how can I know unless someone tells me! In other words reading the bible without understanding yourself is unfruitful , if you take it literally you will build a foundation of lies as Christianity has done! Believing in the carnal interpretation!

[@terrypaul7706]

@@milpormilunmillon also Jesus says in the allegory that you search the scriptures for in them you think you have eternal life, but it speaks of me! Now if you don’t understand scripture you will think he’s saying look at me, worship me, a seperate man. No it’s stating it’s speaking of the I AM in YOU! ( exodus 3.14). The bible is written about you! So you MUST read it as a living eternal story happening in you! Do you not know the spirit of God dwells in you?

[@terrypaul7706]

@@terryhartung4159 this is why it says do not fear all the time because people don’t have the boldness to except the truth! The balls 😂 need a false man in the sky to kneel down to like slaves.. you love the lies that you create to feel secure in the world so you can’t take responsibility.

[@michellemyers4219]

Oprah logic: The word “atonement” when broken down is “at one - ment”- this asserts the biblical meaning is that we are all one (ment) and all paths lead to God…whether you are Jewish, Muslim, etc… There’s one problem with Oprah logic- the Bible was not written in English. Mic drop. The Hebrew word for atonement translates as-a covering. The Greek word translates as - reconciliation.

[@brookecaylor6734]

If you don't like what I have to say, then stay off. My stupid news feed or freakin block me. I do not care.

[@WORDversesWORLD]

Christianity is a business and has zero to do with The Church of Christ!

[@tomhitchcock8195]

That’s what Islam did. Hi Jack Jesus

[@jasonwilliamson8027]

The Bible is not inerrant or infallible and it is not the Word of God...

[@Heather.Isaiah43.1]

So are you even a Christian?

[@Window4503]

You: “just trust me bro”

[@Heather.Isaiah43.1]

If you are not a Christian then it is understandable that you don’t value the word of God. If you claim to be Christian then how do you learn who God is? How do you decide the standards you should live by? Do you just take the parts of the Bible you like and throw the parts you don’t out…? That is how we get Mormonism, Jehovah Witnesses, and the Muslim faith. They all take parts of scripture and throw out the rest. Have you heard that Daniel was so SO accurate in his prophecies that only someone outside of time (God, through Daniel) could have written them. So much are they accurate that now you have pastors and “Christian” teachers denying Daniel as the author even though King Jesus Himself credits Daniel as the author. In the book of Matthew Jesus mentions Daniels prophecies (specifically Him coming on the clouds in His second coming). NT authors are constantly quoting from OT cannon. Again how do you draw the line of you take what you want and throw out what you don’t? Truly. What measure do you use????

[@truncated7644]

@@Heather.Isaiah43.1 Daniel was written after what the author "predicted"came true, His predictions for events after 167 BC did not come true. And the fact that Jesus believed Daniel tells you something about Jesus, not the other way around.

[@Heather.Isaiah43.1]

@@truncated7644 wow I am not as good as you at knowing every prophecy Daniel made! What were the events he predicted for after 167 BC that never came to pass??? Also could you give the chapters/verses where they are written in the book of Daniel??? That would be helpful Even if they were written down after that doesn’t mean they were not prophesied before. And your comment makes it obvious you have a problem with Jesus. So no amount of evidence will help you believe. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. If you would answer my first two questions that would be great! I always love delving deeper for myself. If you want my thoughts I can always leave them for you, but again it sounds like you don’t want God. And if you don’t want God you won’t accept what Jesus has done for you. I hope you’ll change your mind some day