Are You Plastering Artex Ceilings Wrong?? AVOID THIS BIG PLASTERING MISTAKE

[@ljcooil87]

So annoying knowing now that when I was a younger labourer, the guy I trusted to teach me, more than likely knew that all those ceilings I was told to scrape or bits to rub down were asbestos, and they just didn't give a shit if it was extra moola for them and more danger for myself.

[@derryjones1029]

Me too i have literally scrapped 100s of them back in the day I would get dropped off at the property's and would scrap celling and walls not 1nce did anyone say hang on there is asbestos in that not fair on us or anyone else I didn't find out until years later now im on the tools I wouldn't send any one to do that

[@chchedda]

Think most of us have tbf. Never even knew it had asbestos in artex until later on.

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

Me too pal. I’ve done it numerous times when I was a kid. But I genuinely think that some tradesmen just didn’t have a clue to be honest. I’d like to think they wouldn’t have done it on purpose but I might be wrong.

[@pcno2832]

Most of the plastering I've ever done has been over "Artex" (though it's just called textured finish here), and I never thought to scrape much off of it, except maybe a few high points. It just seemed easier to fill it in than to try to grind it off, and given my shaky plastering skills, the stipple made it easier to spread an even coat. One thing we had in the USA that was even worse was "popcorn" texture, and I don't know if that's even strong enough to hold plaster, at least not unless it's been saturated with paint or glue. I believe it had asbestos up to the late 1970s, after which it had little bits of Styrofoam. Fortunately, we didn't get a lot of that stuff here in New England; it was all the rage further west.

[@mrdavidpollock]

Yup I had no idea and scraped loads of them.

[@nargisbibi1367]

I've never plastered. First sealing I did was a artex cleaning. I did not take anything off. Just pva and a thick coat of multi finish. I found it easy and a good finish. One coat pva. It was a tiny sealing albeit

[@GR-ry6bs]

i switched from pva to sbr few months back but i gone back to pva ive had some blistering in my multi going over bonding even going over bonding day after also had bit of slide in gear like it not taking perfect to sbr i let the bonding dry enough even skimmed over day after and have allowed the sbr to fully dry before skimming so im not sure what happened only happened couple of times in few tiny spots but it made me go back to pva with no further issues since

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

I find that SBR has a tendency to leave your background slimey…the skim sags due to the lack of grip. I know some people love it and in some situations it’s ideal. I just prefer PVA though to be honest - prefer the way it sets but that’s just me. There’s no right way to plaster in my opinion 👍

[@michaelhomer5155]

Would over boarding be a better solution?

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

Not always. If I can get away with doing it this way then I will. It’s a hell of a lot more work overboarding but granted, sometimes you no choice Just depends on the situation at hand.

[@edsjenk6150]

Thanks to your videos and other good youtube plasterers, they have encouraged me to have a go. For my first ceiling I was not very quick applying the first coat and run out of time, so can I pva it and put on the second coat another day? Cheers

[@waynehendry9782]

Suretex in 1986 was the last to stop using asbestos as far as I'm aware. I can name loads of brands like wondertex and decatex that never had asbestos in at the time. The fibre free version of suretex was terrible so we switched to Artex, which I remember the rep saying they stopped using asbestos years ago so I'll guess in the early 80s. Smaller manufacturers around the country might still have had asbestos. It's all very gray and a worry. Millions of tons of the stuff we can only cover up. Just no room to dump it.

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

Very interesting, thanks mate. I appreciate you sharing your wisdom

[@derryjones1029]

I had to put 3 coats on a celling last week as couldn't touch the azzy artex its still up i put 2 coats on and there was bits still on show so wetted up wat i had left and give it a 3rd ended up a really good job

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

Some of it is crazy isn’t it?? Well done for getting over it 👍

[@chrisdaviesguitar]

How much pressure should you add when putting on the plaster?

[@chchedda]

Scary to think how many of us have scraped back old artex in our time. Never got told about asbestos in artex untill later on in my plastering career. Been at it 20 years! Bonding and skimming ( magic mix ) is the proper way 💪🏻

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

Exactly that mate! So true…at least we know now 👍

[@CraveThatCoin]

Great content Blaine. I have binged watched your videos and finally gave plastering a go for the first time today. Thanks for the confidence and tips. It actually went quite well but timing was an issue. I was slower than expected getting it on the wall. I choose the most simple wall in my house (fresh plasterboard) but it did have sockets and other things that further slowed me down. Long story short I had to abandon the second coat so treated the first coat like a finish and got it as smooth as possible. I don't have time to give it a second coat tomorrow, could I wait a few days for it to dry then PVA and go for the second coat? Hope you don't mind me picking your brain Cheers

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

Well done for giving it a shot mate. That’s the start! There’s no point putting another coat on mate - you either do 2 coats on the same hit or just leave it as one. It’s designed to be plastered days apart and that’s not the point of the second coat. If you need to do it again then that’s fine, (PVA and crack on), but if you’re second coating to stick to the process then I’m afraid you’ve missed the boat. It’ll be fine as it is. Your best to filling any slow spots and sanding after. This would be the better option in my opinion. It’s a lot easier the second time. Just keep doing it my friend!

[@fixityourself7258]

Blaine, if you are using a mix of bonding and multifinish, would using one coat plaster be an option, or would one coat not be the right mix of the two types of plaster?

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

I’ve never tried it to be honest but I can’t see why it wouldn’t work.

[@pauld6400]

One coat plaster is terrible. And trying to one coat always looks crap If your doing small hits and want to be done quick. Put some half time in the mix

[@GeorgeBrown-i2e]

New subscriber here, enjoying the content and looking forward to giving plastering a go for the first time. Ive got some artex ceiling myself and just wondering what the advantages/disadvantages would be to overboarding with new plasterboard first, rather than directly skimming the artex?

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

Overboarding will give you a more secure finish. Definitely better if you’re brand new to the game mate 👍 Thank you for watching. Really appreciate it

[@BlizzardFace]

What’s the best approach for spikey droplet artex? Are you able to just chip them off and then follow this process or should this also be avoided.

[@garypatrickgp8]

I have had issues with artex bubbling under plaster sometimes. Is there any way to stop this.

[@Matt-yl2ok]

Great vid Blane , I’ve got the exact same thing tomorrow the joys.. how nice is that water brush tho 😎 what metal spats are you using as I managed to damage my blade in the middle the other day 😮 cheers

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

Oh the joys 😂 yeah it’s a solid brush mate but I don’t really use metal Spats to be honest. I think if I did then I’d probably be using the Refina X-Skim pal

[@craigg9144]

When you say "flatten" how long do you leave it after application?

[@instone22]

Hi have you ever overboarded a ceiling that has polystyrene tiles still on it? A client is asking and I’m unsure if that would be a problem or not as it would save removing them . I know it’s not related to this video but I trust your opinion and like your channel many thanks

[@1stSchoolofLife]

I am wondering the same thing about old tiled ceilings.

[@denisohbrien]

Wouldn't mind a professional answer to this too but from what I have read, there straightforward to remove and obviously a fire hazard so not sure you'd even want them there at all even if hidden behind plaster.

[@elwynj5379]

Do you know whether polycell poly ripple from late 1980s contained Asbestos? Great vid!

[@austincole7099]

Hi blaine . What about when the artex is really deep. Sometimes the spikes are 1cm deep

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

This happened to me….if it’s too deep then I overboard

[@lukedruggan6839]

I have sometimes used a coat of a bonding first then skimmed the next day if it's really deep

[@lewisriggs6596]

Nice work Blaine rember last artex ceiling we did shot of pretty much on contact 😳😬

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

The suction can really catch you off guard sometimes! They aren’t always easy

[@R9K7]

Exactly way to do it. Spot on mate 👍👍

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

Thank you!

[@scottamos8401]

Blaine what sort of depths can you take out with adding the bonding into the multi?

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

Thick…but if you need a thicker depth then just use straight Bonding and do it that way. You’ll build ticket thicknesses this way mate

[@NiktheEnglishGreekCypriot]

We’ve all done it fella, I’ve scraped back dozens, both before I knew about asbestos, and also after in empty properties. Does it contain asbestos yes, but also bear in mind that the percentage is really small. How many of us have been on a job where the chippy has been cutting mdf next to us, which is another carcinogen and is banned in America? Most of what we touch as tradesman is harmful and generally it comes down to common sense

[@NiktheEnglishGreekCypriot]

Also Blaine, with regards to flatness of the ceiling, it’s almost impossible when there’s coving up. Last week me and another plasterer plastered a massive artex ceiling, re screwed it up as it had sagged and no joke, it was 30mm out in places. We call only do so much without cross battening out the ceiling with packers

[@sharmanbullimore2113]

You alright mate you’re very right MDF is very dangerous. However it’s a common myth isn’t abandoned the United States

[@lukedruggan6839]

​@NiktheEnglishGreekCypriot with artex ceilings I usually tell the client I can't promise it'll be flat due to what's already in place but I can promise smooth

[@NiktheEnglishGreekCypriot]

@@lukedruggan6839 exactly. Especially if there’s coving up, can’t even rule the ceiling off properly

[@olly5084]

So what were the test results?

[@nickmail7604]

What you say here isn't right. The law banning asbestos in Artex came into effect in 1st August 1999, however UK artex had been voluntarily asbestos free for several years before this date. It fair enough to take extra precautions just in case but it's really only a problem on ceilings up to 1990, and even then the amount of asbestos used is blown out of all proportion by the HSE people, like they started to do with silica dust 10 years or so ago.

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

Thanks for the advice! Cheers 👍

[@YeahNoTellTheTruth]

You're also still short of a solution to be sure. For like £25 you can send a sample and get it tested if I am not mistaken.

[@pdchick6855]

Hi Blaine can you just use bonding alone as the first coat , then multi over that or is it best to mix it in with the multi finish thanks

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

Yeah, you can. I’ve done this in the past and it works fine…it can just take a little longer. But to really push it (and this is a bit sketchy), I’ve just applied Bonding neat to the Artex without PVAing it. It pulls in rapid and then apply Multi Finish directly as it’s drying. Faster process but it definitely comes with risk.

[@anafcosta81]

Hi Blaine, is there a reason why you don't use the off white multifinish? @plasteringforbeginners

[@lukedruggan6839]

​@anafcosta81 it's not widely available

[@nico05011973]

When the ceiling is drying/dry should you be able to see any artex or not?

[@lukedruggan6839]

No

[@shodan198]

Hey Blain long time love the vid mate very useful hope u abd family r well mate

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

Thanks mate! Great hearing from you - hope you’re well my friend

[@shodan198]

@PlasteringForBeginners lil health bump but I'm on the mend mate keep the vids coming love to watch an get tips

[@martinsmith6049]

How long did it take Blaine, each of the three bits... pva, bonding finish mix, top coat?

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

Hi mate. About 3 hours to skim (was a hot day though and the one coat of PVA worked a treat). Bit varies on how much you kill the suction by.

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

PVA took about 30 mins with sheeting 👍

[@martinsmith6049]

@@PlasteringForBeginners I've just done a plastering course mate, I'm a bricky... you'd make a great teacher on one of those courses, mine was at builder training centre, Croydon. Something for new guys and maybe old trowels to be aware of. Only reason i knew of you was that course. Cracking stuff fellah.

[@zitobin1]

have kicked down many artex ceilings down over the years 😮 silica fibres in modern boards are very bad too.(silacosis) wear a p3 mask when theres any dust in the air. extraction fans are great to help keep dust down

[@zone4garlicfarm]

Why is the plaster brown in every plastering video from the UK? Here in the US plaster is usually white or occassionally very light gray.

[@liammasters596]

Only thing is it hangs about I do a coat of bonding tight with mucky water then two tight coats of multi 👍

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

If you just do one coat of PVA then it pulls in a lot faster 👍

[@darrenwilliams9500]

Hi, did you dilute the PVA?

[@lukedruggan6839]

At a guess I'd say yes as it's much easier to apply

[@samhines5084]

Any air pockets a sponge float would get them out only reason I use it that and edges gives a nice crisp edge

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

👍👍

[@marshfield8624]

Where are you located mate ? We need you .

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

Hastings mate. South East

[@pauld6400]

Yeah I didn’t get told about asbestos till later on I’m 35 now scrapped loads of ceilings. And a lot with out masks aswell. But not everyone gets affected by asbestos. Hopefully in years to come they can do more to treat it. I mean with a.i tech now and they can put people up into space u would think surly there is something they can do to Cath asbestos in the lungs early and kill it.

[@lukedruggan6839]

It's a form of cancer and they have no cure for cancer....

[@Nofixedabode859]

How ya getting on with the 14” nela carbon m8, you recommend? Thx

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

Love it mate. Highly recommend it! Great trowel 👍

[@Nofixedabode859]

Been using ox 14” s/s for least 5 years and cant fault it plus a flexi but getting away from flexes so thinking carbon rite through and like look of your nela so if good enough for you m8 it’s getting ordered thx pal👍

[@GameTrident]

Random comment but were you working in Pett/Fairlight a few months back? Was in the only co op for mile and recognised the full ox get up 😂 pretty sure I had a little fan boy moment when I realised and called the boys (been making the labourer watch your vids as he’s desperate to get on the trowel)

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

Hahaha this is brilliant! I know exactly where you are because it’s the only option for food 😂 Great hearing from you pal…come and say hello my time! All the best mate

[@datheat2854]

Good to see you mixing up with a mask on / I’ve no idea why we thought … years ago that it was ok to mix with out a mask. Yes I’m one of those who scraped back … without a mask but I still see young guys not using masks 😡

[@wahreomcwario3154]

Hand on heart I was watching you start to skim that ceiling and I thought to myself ‘why hasn’t he scrimmed that massive crack?!’ …..I then realised it was just a crack in my phones screen protector 😊😊😊😊

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

This is brilliant 😂

[@dalekelsey7463]

Scrape and Skim strait over iv done this loads just messing on good pp3 mask

[@taylorjones1540]

You didn't show the results from testing the Artex

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

I didn’t get it sent off in time for the video release. I’ll keep you all posted 😉

[@martynevans8201]

It takes 30 to 40 years for asbestosis disease to be apparent the fibres are about 700 times thinner than the average human hair

[@TaraBryan.]

Hope you and your family are well Blaine. Where's your safety glasses eh?

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

How’s it going?? How’s the little one? I know - I had such good intentions and I’ve slipped off the wagon again 😂

[@carld9451]

Been scraping artex ceilings back for years and still scraping them back the dust is probably worst off mixing the plaster rather than the artex ceilings because they have been painted and painted over not much dust off the artex let's have it rite do you want to be putting thick coats of plaster on were it could come off the ceiling because of too much wait cos it's going on to thick or give it a quick scrape and get on with it I get what ye saying over the absetus etc but if we listen to the experts and go by the book they would have us in bed for 7 o clock av been scraping it back for over 40 years and am still in reasonable condition iv been on jobs were it couldn't be scraped back really heavy artex and it came down on us and it's a pain in the arse get ye mask on get it scraped and get it skimmed that's my motto orther wise ye just giving ye self a head ache with it

[@rockroll456]

👍👍👌

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

Hope you’re well pal 👍

[@MarkDurbin]

Bonus song :)

[@patterdalezipsuzilil]

I think it did from 60s 70s

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

👍👍👍

[@Joe-jv5mm]

Better the Noggin than in the 🐂👁️

[@Joe-jv5mm]

Great to see you and your family are well, keep the content coming 👏👏👏

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

Haha never a true word said! Thanks for watching and I appreciate your kind words. Hope you’re well my friend 👍

[@Lukey_2024]

Nothing worse than furniture when doing a lid

[@ChrisKavanagh-df6fh]

U dont have much room to spare with coving

[@lukedruggan6839]

You can usually give an angle going into the side of the coving

[@PlasteringForBeginners]

There’s more room than you think 👍