Are you shooting the right rifle and bullet ? My opinion on the most popular cartridges of today.

Рет қаралды 13,504

Elevation Rifles

Күн бұрын

Пікірлер: 111

@thomaslinton6446 Ай бұрын

Keep the rack as is....its part of the story of that deer and a great talking point about your hunt!

@lz3572 Ай бұрын

Nice buck. Probably a once in a lifetime! I would leave it like it is. But I would look at finding an artist that could paint a picture of it with missing tine put on. That would be cool. Good luck deciding. Cheers. By the way I’m 68 and just picked up a 6.5 PRC. Absolutely loving it.

@ottokittel709 Ай бұрын

why make something that it is not! like they say it is what it is. keep it real! I am 78 years old, hunted world wide, and have kept all my trophies real. had a full curle dall sheep the was broomed very heavy (old 12 year ram) and the taxidermist wanted to add to the big ram sure would have been world class looking, but I just left big boy they way he fell. real nice buck young man!

@scottknarr45 Ай бұрын

If it isn't there when it was shot it isn't there.

@oldtoad76 Ай бұрын

Leave it as you shot it.

@leroyjones769 Ай бұрын

Because your shop is so clean and organized, says a lot. Had to subscribe.

@elevationrifles Ай бұрын

@@leroyjones769 😁

@1bobharvey Ай бұрын

LOL its amazing how over gunned some guys want to be these days. 7 prc with a 180 grainer in a tree stand back east ROFL. Just bring the gun you use for deer back east, it will be fine. I've seen plenty of elk tip over with a .243 and a 85 grain barnes. The important part is putting metal through the vital bits. Other than that it really doesn't matter if you are using a .50 bmg or not, its gonna run off and you probably wont find it. If you are from back east and have never shot farther than 200 yards please don't buy a 7 prc and think it makes you Quiggley down under unless you have actually practiced and can read mountain/plains winds. Just remember boys, there are bow seasons for all the same critters in all the same places and grandpa did it with a 3030. New rifles are great, but you cant buy yourself into being a good shot unless you count purchasing ammo to practice with.

@TheTdwilson Ай бұрын

I completely agree. I think *most* people have unrealistic fever dreams about harvesting game at yardages greater than 400yds. At the distances 95% game is taken (even out west), a .308Win pushing a 150gr bullet with a G1 of .4 is going to do the job if the rifleman is capable of doing his.

@adamwiech4874 Ай бұрын

A .elk should never be hunted with a .243,,

@ThatAngryJho-td3xe Ай бұрын

Those antlers tell a story and let them speak it every time you see them don’t cover them and loose that. I know my first moose rack has a broke off tine from using the antlers as a lever to drag it out of a swamp and I always think of it fondly every time I see it. Your words on not needing a ton of velocity rings very true to my experience getting far more game with cartridges in the 30-30 to 6.5 Creedmoor range than many of the cartridges 30-06 and up that I have used. I am not personally a huge fan of Bergers, eldm and eldxs, but that is because of the significant amount of failures I have seen from all of them with people not understanding how they work or shooting far beyond their capabilities because they have a bullet with high bc. There are many benefits to bullets that work like that, but with my 15 years of big game hunting in central AK and never having a need for a shot over 300 yards high bc is nice though not necessary. Sorry for the rambling, but felt like I would put my thoughts out there while loving my new 7prc with 175gr ablr loads right at 2800 fps.

@lurebenson7722 Ай бұрын

I have lived in Soldotna - Anchorage - Palmer and Wasila over the 30 years and my only work was from my guiding fishing and hunting from SE AK to all the way to the Arctic Reserve around the Red dog mine in the breaks of the Noatak R This is my own experience with clients that bring deer guns and deer ammo like the deer gun 30-06 and crap lead core bullet, I was nearly killed by a bull moose shot by a 30-06 that got back up as a approached it then it charged me and I was hit in the face by the horn as I rammed the CZ 550 9.3x62 into the brisket and fired killing the moose that landed on top of me. I have east coast idiots bring a deer gun 30-06 on a brown bear hunt in SE Alaska that every time it turned into life of death scare for us to finally find the bear shot and then kill it. The next common failure is all brains of lead core bullets than blow up just under the skin of Moose and large bears and even black bears they fail. I can't count the times Moose have just shrugged off being hit or gotten back up because a brand name lead core bullet frailer to even go into the vital organs it just blew up on the ribs. This was always such a problem I became very warry to walk up to a moose and one moose that could killed up I told the client shoot it again then the client refunded so I shot the moose and that 71 inch horn spread bull got back up ran 100 yards and crashed! If we had touched that Moose who knows what could have happened. We found only fragments of the Nosler AccuBond bullet in the neck just enough energy to stun the moose to fall down and lay there You should see the look on a client face when I feel the moose or bear isn't dead, I then shoot it again and the animal jumps up then crashed back down! I am really thankful back some 15 years ago when the owner of the Muldoon guns shop offers $200 dollars for the CZ 550 in 9.3x62 Mauser to me because there was no ammo. It replaced the 338 win mag I had been using and the 9.3x62 Mauser with Barns TSX 286 grain bullets kills everything with one bullet

@billcarlson852 Ай бұрын

LEAVE IT ALONE…all original 😊😊😊😊

@kdean8129 Ай бұрын

Get a replica made with it repaired and keep the original as is. We used Antlers by Klaus. Highly recommended.

@DFREMbowman Ай бұрын

That is the rack you took him with, and the way he was when you made the memory. Let others enjoy him as such. It is, as you were meant to have it. Just my thoughts. Well done. Amazing buck and an awesome shot.

@aarons307 Ай бұрын

Your deer is a giant. A 205" muley....99.9% of hunters will never get a chance at a buck like that. Leave as is. That missing tine may have only been 4" long and should be left to the imagination for eternity.

@christojordaan5018 Ай бұрын

Have a custom build 300win mag 28in krieger heavy barrel camber cut for the 225 eld match bullet COL 3.8in loaded with N560 for 2850F/S.I pushed it to 2930 F/S but the best accuracy was at 2850 ten shots .4 of a inc and exstream spread of 15 f/s.Down side of the rifle is it is 16 lbs.Great video 👍👌

@nekminet1315 Ай бұрын

The 300 Win Mag with a 10” twist will stabilize the 212ELDX just fine, in my experience Keep the rack as it is

@Steve-vx2xp Ай бұрын

The KZbin channel Mark and Sam he shoots at 230 grain burger one and 10 twist out of a 26 inch barrel 30 out 6 to 3000 yards

@carlwilliams6300 Ай бұрын

Keep it the way it is buddy 👍

@rosswitte 19 күн бұрын

Always build the tine back even on a smaller buck.

@johnmikolay4687 Ай бұрын

Leave it a alone nice buck

@Ryan_YoungUSA Ай бұрын

Great vid

@martinburns6250 Ай бұрын

Leave it - gives him character!

@billyarnold6633 Ай бұрын

What about the 156 Berger EOL

@elevationrifles Ай бұрын

The 156 is a great option for the 6.5 prc as well. I feel like I’ve noticed the hornady eldx and eldm line being a lil more forgiving to load with. The 156 has a slightly better BC than the 147 eldm .

@MaxairEngineering Ай бұрын

On the rack, my vote is leave it as found. I hate these scorings because they don’t allow for that massive beasts history. That rack tells a story. We don’t know the exact details of that story but we do know that it was a live beast that walked this earth and met with something that took that tine. The story lives in our imagination now.

@tyb3938 Ай бұрын

Started hunting elk 5 years ago, shot two five point and 4 six point bulls since then. First two with 139 7mm interlock and dropped in tracks at 85 yards and 291 yards. Lost one with a broadhead and then our gunsmith convinced us to switch to ELDX. Most accurate bullet I have shot, we get 1400 yard 3 for 3 hits at a 24” target at 1400 yard, with a 30-06. BUT since the switch we lost 3 huge bulls two of which we dropped in tracks only to see them get back up and run away with no blood trail. One was upside down for 15 minutes. I then tested at same range we lost last bull and recovered 4 bullets from talcum powder dust backdrop. 3 of the 4 turned to lead dust and copper bits. If you hit a big rib or shoulder they can explode, dumping the energy outside vitals and that is essentially what a police less than lethal bean bag round does. It will knock them down or out but not kill them. I am now switching to accubonds

@joeyingle8286 Ай бұрын

Bullets at a longer distance will not just blow up. Sounds like a poor shot. Not trying to discredit you but I think you need to be honest about the situation.

@ronws2007 Ай бұрын

I have a few 308s but my 7 PRC has become the everything gun precisely beause I can take it form 100 yards in the woods for a whitetail to 300 yards on Mule Deer to 600 yards on an elk, with the same gun, ammo, and scope on a 20 MOA rail.

@triplehelper6944 Ай бұрын

Ditto love my 2 7 prcs

@RoxVrod Ай бұрын

Love my Bergara HMR 300 PRC.

@forrestsmith1044 Ай бұрын

For 30 cal bullets you should check out the 208 eldm they have a bc of .69 higher then the 220gr eldx

@Accuracy1st Ай бұрын

I have several 7PRCs. All shoot 3005-3015 fps with the 175 ELDX and 180 BergerVLD with 70.0 grains of H1000. All have 24" barrels but one, which has a 25" Brux barrel. These combos shoot half MOA or less. Brass is either new ADG or 1x fired nickel Federal. Your experience on that mule deer buck with your son's 7PRC just launched my confidence much higher. In my experience you are correct, you do not need peak velocities to kill. I have an old but very accurate 30-06 load that is also extremely accurate in multiple rifles but extremely slow - 185 Berger VLD, Lapua brass, 210 match primer, Varget. It's around 2450fps in my Tikkas and 2600 in my Brux barreled Rem700. Out to several hundred yards, it drops deer and passes through

@elevationrifles Ай бұрын

@@Accuracy1st Very nice! I’m sure 70 Gn of H1000 will get ya to 3k . I typically stay at or under hogdon recommended max load just to play it safe and have less potential issues. Especially with customers rifles:) Thanks for the comment!

@Accuracy1st Ай бұрын

@@elevationrifles Yes when you are taking into account someone else's rifle you definitely should stay in the safety zone. These loads are safe in all of mine with no pressure signs

@jacobbrazell8684 Ай бұрын

You lost me at the whole “room for error” argument regarding heavy recoiling cartridges.

@Eye_Guard Ай бұрын

Yup, a few times I was lost. "If you're gonna be putting a shot into the guts or through the liver".

@jaymiller393 Ай бұрын

You need to get some Inline Fabrication mounts for your presses!

@misterlewgee8874 Ай бұрын

I'd love to see the same talk..but about foxing..300 to 600yards...best BC..lowest recoil etc..

@joeyingle8286 Ай бұрын

Can you explain why you think the 6.5 is marginal on elk but great for deer? Structurally, they are very similar. Are you saying the higher velocity provides more bullet disruption? Perhaps you need further data points on other 6.5 projectiles?

@elevationrifles Ай бұрын

@@joeyingle8286 My only reason to say that the 6.5 isn’t the best rd for elk is they are much bigger than deer. I wouldn’t be afraid to take one on an elk hunt occasionally just would not go with that caliber if elk is my main thing

@nathanakins6072 Ай бұрын

Do you skip over mono bullets simply because of their bc? Personally I’ve come to realize for myself at least that I value bullet performance and consistency over BC.

@elevationrifles Ай бұрын

Ya but a lot of my experience just happens to be with Eld line and bergers . So far I’ve had good enough experience with them to not over complicate it with more bullets:)

@ArpexOfficial Ай бұрын

@@elevationriflesyou should try the new Barnes LRX 160 gr bullets for the 7mm PRC’s

@justacarny Ай бұрын

If you add the antler, I would make it a different color. You would be able to see what it could’ve been without seeming like you were trying to cheat lol. I think a clear epoxy would be pretty awesome, but black, silver, or whatever color your wife likes would look good too.

@elevationrifles Ай бұрын

Lol

@dougwilkinson-uq3xr Ай бұрын

Make a replica with it built back- have both!

@Airohunter Ай бұрын

How do talk about the 300 PRC and leave out the 225 ELDM with a .777 BC?

@D.Rambo32 Ай бұрын

Remington 700 Sendero SF II .300 Win Mag 1:10 Twist Lapua Brass Berger 215 Hybrid 2.915” Ogive Federal 210 Primer 76.5gr H1000 pushing 2950 FPS now that my friend hits like a hammer 🤓

@bart9324 Ай бұрын

Personally, I have found that ELD-M bullets have better terminal performance than Bergers, especially at lower velocities. I've had VLD hunting bullets pencil on more than one occasion. When recovered, they were just bent a little bit. The Hornady bullets alway mushroom perfectly. Just my experience, not a large sample size. I think the Bergers are very accurate, but kind of need magnum velocity, and maybe a little bit of shoulder bone to expand well. Others certainly may have different experience.

@kennynelson4276 Ай бұрын

I agree,make a replica with the time fixed ,leave the buck the way it was

@rosswitte 19 күн бұрын

Yes build the tine back.

@thebryguy96 Ай бұрын

Repairing the tine is personal preference. It can't officially be added to the score but will add to eye appeal. Either way, the deer is a giant. What state did you shoot him in? Congrats on the deer. With berger bullets, do you find the hybrid target or the vld hunting bullets to expand better on game? A custom-built 7mm rem with a 1:8 twist will generally outrun a 7 prc in 24-inch barrel, and you can run them a bit hotter. My friends 23 inch, 7 prc likes 2825 to 2840 fps with h1000 and a 180 gr berger or eldm. It didn't shoot well at 3000 fps, and the load is way over 65k psi. I am actually a fan of the 7 saum in a medium length action. They will almost run with a 7 prc, and handloads will usually outshoot the 7 prc factory loads, especially in sub 22-inch barrels for guys shooting suppressors. Have you ever done load development for a 7-300 prc? It's quite fast and more efficient than a 28 nosler.

@elevationrifles Ай бұрын

The Vld hunting and hybrid I feel produces very similar results on game from what I’ve seen. I have not done a 7-300

@johnwesely Ай бұрын

Leave it!

@franknilica1652 Ай бұрын

I would repair it I've done several of mine !

@DougJohnson-g5f Ай бұрын

I'm running 195 @2856 out of my7prc bargara

@trevorkolmatycki4042 Ай бұрын

I would leave the antler natural and do a euro mount

@the_every_day_hunter Ай бұрын

Great video ! I won that 7mm rem mag at the raffle I just haven’t set it up yet, what optics would you recommend for deer hunting and possibly mule deer in the future

@elevationrifles Ай бұрын

@@the_every_day_hunter Thanks! Optics depends a lot on the $ you’re willing to spend. IMO the sweet spot for the 7 prc is 5-20 ish. I do a lot of rifles with the Nightforce Shv 5-20 . I think it’s a very durable scope with great glass for the money.

@the_every_day_hunter Ай бұрын

@@elevationriflesthanks for the info I’ll check it out

@devonmiller8949 Ай бұрын

I am getting mutch better velocity out of my 7prc In a 20" barrel getting 2950ish with 175 grain

@williamgaines9784 Ай бұрын

Would not alter it from what it was when you shot it. If it fell down/ran into something that broke them off afterward, might reconstruct what you recover, but otherwise no.

@ANW-cl7bw Ай бұрын

I totally get wanting to rebuild the tine, but leave it. It will seem fake even if you get it perfect and can't tell it's rebuilt. It would seem like cheating to me. It's part of his story 😂

@kylekreider2173 Ай бұрын

What part of pa you from?

@elevationrifles Ай бұрын

@@kylekreider2173 Northwest hr south of Erie

@kylekreider2173 Ай бұрын

👍 I’m from pa so was just curious. I’m on the other side of the state.

@RON-m8c Ай бұрын

🤠 LEAVE IT ALONE AND GET A BIGGER ONE!

@CSOutdoors50 Ай бұрын

I’d leave the rack alone it tells more of the bucks life being broke then trying to fix it

@TomL3grandsons Ай бұрын

Leave it alone

@Airohunter Ай бұрын

Leave it as is, we don’t get to just add points as we see fit

@Airohunter Ай бұрын

3021 out of my 22” barrel. 175. ELDX and RE26

@michaelnelson1911 Ай бұрын

If you had a picture of the deer before it was broken, then yes. Otherwise no. Leave it.

@WCFD5045 Ай бұрын

Leave as is for sure. It would bother me every time I walked by it knowing that one was fake.

@mikeknape7064 Ай бұрын

Leave the rack. My "king" round is shooting 214gr pills at 3300 fps But also have a 7 mag and 257 wby for average range work and hiking the mountains.

@reloadingfun Ай бұрын

behind the crosshairs, aren't you behind the crosshairs?

@elevationrifles Ай бұрын

😮😂

@JohnFMacMenamin 28 күн бұрын

Put it back!

@KillenNReelinoutdoors Ай бұрын

I guess I’ll go against the grain and say repair that antler, he had it at one point and should be shown at his peak. Congrats on a huge deer man.

@cadecoffey7182 Ай бұрын

How was the recoil

@elevationrifles Ай бұрын

@@cadecoffey7182 It’s similar to a 6.5 creedmoor and low enough to spot my impact on the 760 yd shot.

@milo555100 Ай бұрын

I wouldn’t build it back. It would bother me more built back than it would natural.

@allanschmitt1572 Ай бұрын

I thought it was going to be a video of bullets, cartridges, etc. Instead it was a hornady add. "You need a 7PRC for 50 yard shots in the woods" and for out west a "300PRC should be good for mule deer". Oh well I will try to find a better video. 👍

@elevationrifles Ай бұрын

@@allanschmitt1572 alrighty then,whatever you say :) The topic of bullets and weights and BC apply to any cartridge that would chamber and stabilize them. This just happens to be the most popular one people are asking for and for great reason IMO

@allanschmitt1572 Ай бұрын

@elevationrifles you didn't include one bonded or monolithic butllet. Your buck was a great trophy by the way and the good part of the video. But the 7PRC for the woods is a little over the top as a minimum. Based on math not opinion.

@elevationrifles Ай бұрын

@@allanschmitt1572 I don’t shoot bonded or mono bullets anymore due to having better experience with the one I talked about. I feel like they are not as forgiving in most aspects IMO