Armor Changes - GOOD, BAD or BOTH? (7 Days to Die 1.0)

[@GunsNerdsandSteel]

I agree, preacher gloves need nerfing. And it's sad that a few weapons got armor set bonuses like magnums, rifles, intellect weapons.. but other were left high and dry. And there are a lot of repeat buffs that could have been specific play style bonuses.

[@CautiousPancake]

Agree Tem - where's the firefighter outfit for molotov bonuses! And mall-cop outfit for baton bonus :D But in all seriousness I hope there's more outfits coming and a balance pass with the wardrobe system.

[@Cadacf]

yeah a think they could make fun builds with other set bonuses, like making t2 and 3 weapons viable with especific set in the late game.

[@Cadacf]

the thing with preacher gloves is that it will beless of a problem when they release bandits, since it will not give bonus against them

[@sunsetdreamer68]

Devils advocate it could be with future in mind, preacher gloves are undead for all weapons, specialised ones are all enemies which includes wildlife and (when added) raiders for their specifi group, but could us a tone down but depends on toghness and number of raiders when added. Plus unless you go full preacher you miss out on the set bonus (although some balancing is needed with the set bonuses imho.

[@CautiousPancake]

@@Cadacf Maybe - it will depend on how much of a role bandits actually play - they might be only on occasion like a buried supplies quest, you just go raid a bandit camp. So 90% of the time you're fighting zombies. Regardless - it's going to be a while before we see bandits, so I'd prefer balance for what we have now, and recast things when bringing in something new.

[@mattverstraete4916]

I agree with what your saying. I think adding light,medium and heavy armor of all the different sets would be kind of cool heavy assassin or a light raider

[@CautiousPancake]

Thanks - I think it would interesting for sure!

[@MrMacavity]

Looking good, thanks for trying out things for us 👍

[@CautiousPancake]

No problem 👍

[@susskinsgamer]

I know it’s a video game and that it’s purposely silly in many respects, but I just can’t with the Nerd armor. It’s so idiotic looking. I can see running with it as a goof, but Jesus.

[@CautiousPancake]

I agree on that - it's along the lines of the minibike with the toilet seat - funny idea, but doesn't fit. They obviously wanted it to be heavy armor though and needed a way to fit it in. I would have gone with a tweed jacket / professor stereo type or something for the nerd! :D

[@zeviax_the_seraphim]

I'm just sad nothing was done with the Military set since that was my favourite set before full release.. Great video and I have some what decided what armor I'll use based on my current skill picks :D

[@Sinturions]

It is exactly what I feared. 1, these new armor sets would breed a "meta" and will offer a seeming requirement to carry multiple, sacrificing precious inventory space. They should have kept armor and clothing separate.

[@CautiousPancake]

Yes and no, at least for me. Other than the preacher gloves and assassin set it's not too bad as far as "meta" sets. I also don't carry any spare armor with me, as space is too important, especially early. And I don't feel the lack, I just use the gathering sets when going on a big gather run.

[@Sinturions]

@@CautiousPancake Point is, they should have left outfits and armor as separate things, this just feels far more RPG than survival

[@NilesDuff]

Great video! I love your deep dives into game mechanics. The full preacher set is so tempting.

[@CautiousPancake]

Thanks! Preacher is fun for sure, raider and assassin also getting lots of love!

[@BenCarnage]

Weather is basically just extra thirst and hunger. While it is good you have ways of mitigating those a bit I am also fine with it just being part of the ''harder'' biomes to need more food and drink.

[@CautiousPancake]

That's an interesting way of looking at it - I kinda hope that's not all it is, but ... it kinda is.

[@Skitzobunnie]

I love the thorough breakdown. While I agree with the notion that the preacher gloves are too strong relative to their other counterparts, a difference that isn't made clear due to the nature of the stat UI is that all light armors offer 0% crit resistance, whereas all medium & heavy does. While this isn't enough alone to justify the stats remaining on par with their counterparts, it is at least a vulnerability the player adds worth noting. Since none of the armors report their critical resistance values aside from some of the bonuses, you can see them by comparing the before & after on the stat page. The only set bonus I've seen that's actually worth going for is the raider set. While it may seem underwhelming at first, when combined with the natural critical resistance on the rest of the gear, it's actually quite substantial. As an experiment I actually took my brawling build in full level 4 raider gear and just went full fisticuffs in an open field on horde night and was able to go most of the night before having to retreat because I could just shrug off everything they dished out. Only when the injuries started to pile up did I have to retreat to my base, and only then did I realize I didn't even have my full set like I thought and thus I was down about 25-30% crit resistance as I was still wearing my farming boots from cycling the farm earlier that day.

[@CautiousPancake]

Thanks and I agree on preacher - while it doesn't have the defensive abilities, it's more a concept of if you are not likely to get hit much, then it's the obvious choice. If you're playing a tanky/melee build, then yes, the raider setup will work well!

[@zipzapdk]

"It's a little subjective, so I understand if you feel differently". One of the best formulations I've heard here on KZbin. I get so tired very quickly of hearing youtubers apologize for this and that, all the time. Sub earned. Btw, I'm a grumpy old bloke 😜

[@CautiousPancake]

Thanks mate, grumpy old blokes are always welcome here 😀

[@Orodreth888]

Well I guess Cotton now is actually worth planting... or not, considering what a clusterF gardening still is... :(

[@CautiousPancake]

I've considered it as well :D Never quite done it though.

[@CreepSoldier]

Assassin set also needs some changes, maxed out and with the skills, you become invisible right in front of zombies, you can even shot them repeatedly doing sneak attack bonuses. Only con is that some triggers for zombie spawns are glitching the agro, and sometimes you never hit sneak attacks even tho being hidden

[@CautiousPancake]

Yeah assassin will be hard for them to balance given the number of POIs with trigger rooms. Too strong and you get to just abuse the stealth mechanic, too weak and you die as soon as you're out of stealth...

[@slab-dd6vj]

in the playthrough, I am in right now, at the beginning I went all light armor until I had enough points to put into the armor type I wanted so I would not have a movement/noise penalty. While the preacher gloves are good when you are mixing armor sets, having a full set to get that extra set bonus can complement and make your build incredible. EX I went in full agility attribute so I took the Assassin medium armor, added some stealth perks and you can have 6.6X the damage of a bow, plus almost walk over zombies without them noticing, or do multiple sneak attacks on a radiated zombie and they barely react. You trigger a Zombie trap room? just back up out of sight a few seconds and most if not all will lose interest in you and you can just come back to finish them all with the bow. I think the developer will probably rebalance and nerf some armor effects in the future, but for now we can enjoy OP builds

[@CautiousPancake]

I have heard the assassin is OP as well, but haven't had time to test yet - but I'll take your word for it! I think it was something about just losing line of sight and they'll forget about you! If that's true it's pretty crazy :D

[@DarkSunGameplay]

@@CautiousPancake This is correct! It drops their search timer down by 99%. The moment you step around a pillar or behind a wall, the zombie(s) instantly forget about your existence. :) Should be helpful for some trigger locations!

[@CautiousPancake]

@@DarkSunGameplay That feels like at the least it should have a cooldown (although that would be hard to show) but I imagine clearing out tier 5's could be a lot of fun messing with this!

[@MrYyelo]

I agree with your point on separating perks from clothing. I am big into dressing for style, and the nerd cap is great for its xp bonus but is super dorky in appearance. Another example is the Rogue hood. It looks pretty cool, and its perk of Increased loot stage sounds terrific! I would just use the nerd hat during blood moons and then the rogue hat while looting poi's or bags after a horde. Preacher gloves are also clear choice unless partaking in PVP, which as far as I have seen has never been a huge aspect in this game. Maybe they could give all pieces the same effects, for example outfits increasing inventory space, boots giving increased move speed or reduced stamina usage, and the rest could be mods, with set bonuses being the real benefit of an armor. That however also hinders the possibilities when it comes to dressing for style. Not sure which way to go with this system, but I am liking it so far, just a few kinks to work out of it I suppose. As an aside, I was confused to find that the Nerd outfit is heavy armor, requiring specialization in Strength to make good use of, despite benefiting an Intellect specialised build.

[@Glasseater]

the preacher gloves effect should be the set bonus, so the damage is still there, but youll giving up the other slots.

[@CautiousPancake]

That'd certainly be a quick fix - and would stop swapping the gloves into a medium or heavy armor set. And it's also a potential option for all the damage boosts - if all damage boosts were the set bonus. However the impact would be then that you would almost *have* to play with a full set, which some might not like, as damage boost is often seen as the most beneficial.

[@DWWEnganacious]

Individual armor perks being made into armor mods, but keeping set bonuses could be a fun change.

[@CautiousPancake]

assassin mining gear would be fun :) plus the combat farmer of course!

[@The-Two-Five]

Agreed, it does need some fine tuning (Preacher Gloves as you say) but overall I'm liking the change currently. Awesome video!

[@CautiousPancake]

Thanks mate! How are you liking the baton in your run?

[@The-Two-Five]

@@CautiousPancake Only had the pipe baton so far in the run, but its been working out pretty well. Can't wait to get ahold of the stun baton and max out the electrocutioner and physician perks, should be fun! Thanks for asking :)

[@Prydwen3001]

thanks alot CP, cant wait to play and gather all of this myself 🙏

[@CautiousPancake]

Hey Prydwen! Hopefully they stick to July 25 for the stable + console release! Their twitter has said it's in review now for both xbox and playstation, so if there's no issues it will release on time :)

[@Prydwen3001]

@@CautiousPancake wasnt sure if we'll ever witness this game coming out of alpha tbh :D happy for them to still be rollin with it tho 🙏 ty for the details CP !

[@CautiousPancake]

@@Prydwen3001 you're most welcome! Hopefully still many more updates to come!

[@dannyeeltink]

Good thoughts and pros and cons, like it; thanks!

[@CautiousPancake]

You're welcome and thanks for watching!

[@shadexdemarr]

How many games have added or built in transmog systems because players absolutely hate looking like mismatched random Skittle bags to get the best stats. Congratulations Fun Pimps for designing 'into' one of the most disliked complaints in years. Seriously at this point the Fun Pimps just make me think of Heath Ledger's Joker. "Do we look like developers with a plan?"

[@CautiousPancake]

I'm hoping they do! It's hard to tell from a one liner in the roadmap though. On the plus side the water change isn't an issue anymore, so even if it's a little off the next iteration should improve it. I'm wearing my glass half full goggles today! 😀

[@yvels3685]

@@CautiousPancake Im still not over magically restocking jars in "dew collector" looking like rain collector.. we consume now when we drink .. what was wrong with getting an empty jar back? or empty can back? ffs

[@CautiousPancake]

@@yvels3685 I was just thinking the same when commenting to someone else earlier - that the water "scarcity" change they did for A21 has now been completely reversed, with the tarp and gatherer it's now so easy to get water, and you can ignore the filter until you're rich and just have an extra campfire for boiling water nonstop.

[@Xenbiotic]

With melee damage gloves I think it also improves your block damage too, very solid choice early game.

[@CautiousPancake]

Unfortunately, I don't think so - at least not from the quick test I just did, block damage with a stone axe and sledghammer was unaffected by biker gloves.

[@FlufferNutterSandwich]

My main complaint is the cloth scarcity. It's not a lack of cloth, it just takes too long to salvage too little. You used to go to Savage Country and get thousands. Now you get like a hundred. I never have enough in 1.0. What was a common resource is now scarce.

[@CautiousPancake]

I haven't done a savage country yet in 1.0 - you'd still get a bit I'd expect? It's reduced a bit, but I guess it depends what you're using it for (and how much you loot every). For a bit of duct tape here and there there's enough - but if you're doing explosive arrows, it's still going to be a pain.

[@susskinsgamer]

@@CautiousPancakecan you still craft cloth from fiber/cotton? I’m admittedly a couple of builds behind, so I haven’t been able to check out things like that.

[@CautiousPancake]

@@susskinsgamer Yes, absolutely - cotton from the beginning, fiber after finding the appropriate the wasteland book.

[@jurgendieter5238]

Alot of them give very litte 1-2 but some objects give good amounts (for now) beds give 10-20, curtains give 4-5. Some POIs gave me 100+ cloth just because there were alot of curtains. it's very unbalanced and idk maybe they nerf those too. but for now just harvest the things that are worth it same with plastic

[@CautiousPancake]

@@jurgendieter5238 Agree on the beds - they are worth the time to salvage for sure!

[@pamlange7289]

Did you experienced a path breaking for every even smallest horde fighting base the moment you put the now "almighty" wooden spike traps on the ground around the "ascent point" of your choice (ramp, stair, block)? It killed my first base and almost me on horde night. And round shape ladders let you very often not jump up to them, you don't get a hold on them. Square shaped one still work...

[@CautiousPancake]

Nothing like that for me no - a bit of weirdness where a chicken died to the spikes, so they wanted to eat the chicken rather than come for me, but apart from that, it was all fine. I tried both around a ladder and a ramp. Did they stop pathing and attack the ramp/ladder for you?

[@CautiousPancake]

No obvious issues for ladder round either - but will keep testing a bit

[@pamlange7289]

@@CautiousPancake Temreki had a moment with the ladders as well not allow him to climb, have just don't let him grab them. Was the usually build with ladder starting at the 3rd block above ground. It's in his recent series in Ep. 2 I think... He build a mini base in front of the trader and was surprised with a ladder not allow him to get up... And thanks again for answering, I'm afraid you're not my trusted "I have a problem with the game" tutor...🫣😏

[@nemo4evr]

I am having the same issue with the ladders, have to jump over and over again to try to get hold of them.

[@CautiousPancake]

@@pamlange7289 So - revisiting this answer - yes, I've definitely had this, and on square ladders! I had it recently, and then realised what you meant - I've had it a few times for sure, where I thought i'd just messed up the jump, but it's happened enough times now that i know it's not just me!

[@AlexTechie]

>Good, bad, or both? Neither (dun-dun-dun!)

[@CautiousPancake]

🤣🤣

[@MegaMacX]

So far i love the new armor system. I rolled on an agility playthrough atm and my assassin gear makes it sometimes that i scare myself when i accidently step on a zombie xD The only thing missing for me in terms of clothing would be a clothing rack or dummy or something like that, so when you interact with it, it exchanges parts with your own. For example if that dummy got some gloves you want for harvesting your crops, you go to it, interact with it and it exchanges your gloves with the ones it was wearing. But i say the same for vehicles since... Alpha 19? Basicly a display that shows the stored vehicle in it, where you might even be able to just hop in?

[@CautiousPancake]

I'm going to have to have a play with assassin soon - everyone seems to be having fun!! And I'm hoping that a one of the talented modders can build an armor stand mod that allows you to at least display - but also that's a great idea that interacting with it could swap out all the armor pieces. In the roadmap there is a "wardrobe function" coming in Q4 though, so it might be we get it there!

[@evilspyke5760]

Having mobility is more important than damage resistance, in my opinion, so light armor is the way to go. At least for the early game.

[@CautiousPancake]

Agreed! The damage reduction isn't enough in the early game for the speed reduction (or I'm not doing it right :D)

[@cgourin]

Rust had weather armor for ever and the wrong strongest armor cold or wet can absolutely kill you

[@CautiousPancake]

I'll have to check the rust armor system, thanks!

[@hondragrid]

Every content creator has shown there there is one big problem with armor. That the full set bonus isn't even worth going for. Fun pimps need to look into making the full set bonus more appealing. Maybe they need to give another bonus stat instead of one? Make it two extra stats for a full set bonus instead of one. I'd suggest maybe 3 extra stats but at that point it might be abit too much leaning towards people only doing full sets. There is some kind of middle grounds where a full set bonus feels worth it while also letting people still do none full set ups, because right now, NOBODY even considers full set bonus and I think that's a problem.

[@CautiousPancake]

100% agree that the full set bonuses aren't worth it. What I'm not sure on is if I prefer it that way - where they are just a little bit extra if you feel like using the full set, but it's not mandatory - this gives you the flexibility to play with whatever armor you like. Having said that - it feels like it *should* matter - although that will cause people to complain that it's "railroading" them into playing with a full set. As long as the sets are mostly balanced and interesting though - I'd be happy with that I think.

[@StormEagle5]

Assassin and Raider set bonuses are good, or at least better than the rest. Preacher isn't bad either.

[@wowarchershirou]

@@StormEagle5 yee assassain set bonus is super good am doing a stealth crossbow build atm is its fun af even T5s atm are fun even when POIs do the forced ambush i can retreat abit and simply wait a couple seconds and the zeds go wander mode again and then i can stealth xbow them dead 1 by 1

[@CautiousPancake]

@@StormEagle5 For sure - Raider and Assassin seem to be coming out on top for sure.

[@stevdor6146]

Missed opportunity: Builder outfit, enables creative flight *during daytime* over a LCB protected area

[@CautiousPancake]

That would be fun! And hilarious if you were building really high up and accidentally went outside the LCB area :D

[@Cadacf]

the nerd and rogue hats also are completly op, the problem is you not feel right if you do not make legendary of this two and the nerd outfit first, they are just to op and makes no sense. also why priest gloves dont have same scale as other itens, lvl 5 gives you 50% dmg bonus and lvl 6 increase to 60%, while others give you 30 or 25% in lvl 5 e double it in lvl 6, makes no sense at all.

[@CautiousPancake]

I'm curious to see if, by the time i can make tier 6 nerd, if I really need any more magazines. Maybe just to get to gyrocopter or something on the vehicle books, but otherwise it might not be that important. That's a great point on the scaling as well - I wish I'd included that - as that also makes a big difference!!

[@W1se0ldg33zer]

The nerd heavy outfit - I'm wearing yellow and haven't noticed any difference because 15% isn't much of a bonus. Probably better to wait on that one until it's blue and then you'll notice it.

[@CautiousPancake]

I tried swapping it in when doing a lot of magazines, and you do get a couple of bonus ones here and there - it's got a benefit that's sometimes handy, but not game-breaking - I think the bonus on this is ok (at low levels) since I don't feel bad if I'm out of space and need to read a few magazines, as the low bonus in early game probably wasn't going to add many levels. Not sure about when I'm rocking all tier 6 though - if it will feel off then, or if I'll have so many magazines already read, that it doesn't matter.

[@mikepeterson9362]

Thanks for the overview CP, I'm a couple hours into my first 1.0 playthrough and this really helps. I'd love to hear from everyone here, does this system feel fun and flexible to you? My instinct is "Aw shit, now on top of the other ten things I've got to remember to take out or put into my inventory on horde night, now I also have to change clothes." Or, "Aw shit, I forgot to change clothes before reading those magazines." I didn't hate having to remember to put my "warm clothes" on before heading into the snow biome, because that really made sense for the game, but this? I gotta be honest it feels pretty forced, random and silly? I haven't played enough yet to have a firm opinion on it, so let me know what you guys think.

[@CautiousPancake]

If I'm out and about and need to read a couple of magazines, it's no big deal, or chop a little wood etc to not have the "correct" armor on. I'll only swap if I'm doing a full overnight mine or tree chopping session. So it's good to collect them, but it doesn't feel "mandatory" for me. But everyone will have different thoughts I'm sure!

[@hosky553]

I was sad to see that dye did not have any effect on my armour sets.

[@CautiousPancake]

Same - I get a bright pink assassin set might not be thematically sound, but it would be fun!

[@pipboythreek]

Hi, you mention in the video what is good for early game how about mid late game? Im primarily using m60 machine gun

[@filypefx]

still think, for progression's sake, they should add a upgrade option, like, use a tier 2 armor as base while using half/third/diference of meterials to craft a tier 3, for now its better to hold till you can craft tier 4, 5 or 6 while getting intermediate equips from loot/reward (yes, there is a mod but...)

[@CautiousPancake]

That's an option, although my last playthrough seemed ok for parts. What are you finding you are short of for crafting armor?

[@filypefx]

@@CautiousPancake its not being short handed, but is almost mute getting a upgrade from level 5 primitive to anything from 1-3 (unless you have at least 3 points on medium/heavy), I dont know how light armor fair on early game, but holding to get a level 4 or drop tier 3 pieces is more sane... unless you playing minimaxing every chance you have? Maybe is my old mentality from stalker misery/anomaly...

[@CautiousPancake]

@@filypefx ah I get you - and that's totally fair - I tend to go in for level 1 to start grabbing the bonuses - even if it's just the +1 carry capacity and similar bits and pieces.

[@zlatanmorrison8182]

Having to have an 'Armour' storage box now and swap in and out of armour pieces constantly, depending on what you are doing, is going to be a a tedious bore very very quickly. At least you can still do 'themed' playthroughs with the new sets I guess, and just ignore bonuses. There is so much still wrong with the game and so many features still to come that have not been implemented, it is a bit of a joke saying it is now under 'full release' and full price (imho). And I say this with over 4k hours in the game (having started during Alpha 19). 1.0 is pretty 'meh' tbh, there is very little in it that makes me enthusiastic to play it, and they have also lost the plot with the zombie health buffs and difficulty curve, especially for new players. The low level infested stuff in particular, even in the desert biome etc (never mind the harder biomes) are bonkers difficult from what I have seen, first week irradiated etc...utter nonsense.

[@yvels3685]

more like alpha22 slapped with handwritten 1.0 with a sharpie on a piece of torn of duct-tape. Forcing RektS onto new players is the stupidest thing ever. Rekt belong to wasteland where most players wont ever go. Im so thankful for mods already with randomizing traders and also making large cities in ALL biomes.

[@CautiousPancake]

I agree 1.0 is just a label for PC players, but I wonder what else TFP could have done that would have generated the same hype and news, to get the word out - particularly around the console release - which sounds like it's ready. Is it "ready" or actually ready - I guess we'll find out in a month! I keep an armour box as well, but I haven't really used it yet - other than for a bit of wood chop and a bit of mining. The main thing I do is the nerd chest magazine bonus, but sometimes the backpack is too full and I won't bother (but after a crack-a-book run, I will for sure). Agree on the rads - they are scary! My nemesis POI seems to be Fort Quenlin(?) which in the forest, still has multiple soldier rads at the bottom - nearly always game over for me (with only a pipe machine gun).

[@CautiousPancake]

Lol yvels - I wonder if they would do official art with the duct tape - it would be both funny and fit the aesthetic given all the duct tape on armor. I don't get the trader order change - it can't be just to guarantee there's always a trader of each type - or to ensure you get sent to each biome - I think they could have done that algorithmically regardless. I'd love to have been in the meeting where that was discussed/agreed!

[@yvels3685]

@@CautiousPancake Im on insane permadeath (day run tho Im not crazy! lol) 64 zombies hordes. I straigh up went GET BICYCLE and cycle all towns I can at night (bicycle is very silent) and open ALL mailboxes and newspaper stands etc I see. I have my spear 7/7 books day 5 I think.. at least now I can get ALL my stamina back on kill. Also learned to use spikes and hatches as a way to slow and damage zombies. feral biker scare the F out of me..almost got me with 1 punch. I had 10 hp left. I dont even want to know about a rad biker or feral/radiated white.. lol Im level 43 days 21 btw.

[@CautiousPancake]

@@yvels3685 haha that's one way to do it! I didn't go that hardcore, but similar once I was moving to burnt, I ransacked two towns on the way through to do the mailboxes - sooo many magazines! And rads are not fun with melee!

[@lightphoenixml7927]

While the preacher gloves are certainly the most powerful hands down, I think the other gloves may have some more use once bandits are added to the game. However I do think they could probably use a slight nerf, and other damage buffs could be helped by making the buffs a little less niche

[@CautiousPancake]

Thanks - a lot of people are mentioning bandits - I just think they are too far away to be balancing now for when they are in :)

[@edwardtrooper7027]

well the Preacher gloves will not work that well on living enemies that will be added in the future

[@CautiousPancake]

True, but that's probably 12 months away (feb 2025 at the earliest)

[@Spooky_McDoot]

for the preacher gloves, I'd swap the set bonus with the current glove bonus. I also agree the specific bonuses should be stronger then the general ones, so if the preacher bonus remains at 60% for quality 6, stuff like the enforcer or ranger should be ludicrous.

[@CautiousPancake]

set bonus swap could work, but would then feel weird against the others where the gloves are usually a combat bonus. But yeah, ranger feels off for sure compared to preacher!

[@Spooky_McDoot]

@@CautiousPancake usually yeah. But not always. There is still time to change things around. Having crit resist on the gloves would still be damn strong, just in a defensive way instead of offensive. Could be combined with raider or enforcer outfits for a massive reduction in bleeds, infection and the like. (Side note, love the content man, always looking forward to the next video)

[@CautiousPancake]

@@Spooky_McDoot For sure - hopefully they have another pass at the armor sets, otherwise I can see a few people modding in their own version!

[@duckvan0306]

My favorite thing is the Nomad headgear where it looks like an NCR helmet, so I love its aesthetic, but its bonus isn't that great. But who cares about stats anyway? Good video, all points that I agree with. At first, I thought the removal of all the other clothes was such a waste, but if it can be improved, I think this is a good change.

[@CautiousPancake]

Agreed! Nomad looks wicked

[@tansiwolf8281]

thinking maybe they will mitigate the weather problems vs armour with cooling mesh and insulation mods?

[@CautiousPancake]

I don't think so - or at least I hope that's not all it is. I don't think all the armor should provide the same mitigation to weather, and just having those two mods will be a little underwhelming.

[@MildarValsik]

Honestly the only bonuses I ever really cared about was speed or movement types. L8ke running speed and aim and reload speed. Damage helps a big deal yet nothing enough bullets and fast reloading can't handle. With fast enough feet and good cardio it's always fun to jump out of the base and create a "bait ball" and throw explosive at them. My interactions with armor is about the look or how I can modify it. What I home for in any armor updates is mods to go in it to make it look the RIGHT WAY instead of mixed or matched. I loved the helmet mods that made a helmet look like the cowboy hat. I hate the "NERD" armor so much I want to get in the face of a developer that made it and ask "really you think any self respecting nerd would wear that?". I would want a way to cover all that stupid look up.

[@CautiousPancake]

Yeah not many fans of the nerd armor out there from what I've read. It will be interesting with the weather changes and wardrobe system, if they make it more trasmog focused allowing you to separate the look from the function. We'll see if 6 months or so!

[@MildarValsik]

@@CautiousPancake what I'm interested in the most at the moment is what some things actually means on the armor chests "pocket slots". More or less really what clothing mods there is now and weapon mods. Heard something about the cigar mod.

[@branchcore]

This game has been in alpha for 10 years, which over 150,000 games have made a full release.

[@CautiousPancake]

True, but I keep coming back to this one!

[@Kazgrel]

I doubt we get a direct nerf to the preacher gloves because they'll be useless whenever we end up dealing with bandits as an end game... although that is assuming bandits would be a mid-late game thing Some of the set bonuses and individual pieces could use some love. 3 out of the 4 heavy boots all have fall damage reduction while the Nomad ones have the best bonus by far for heavy (run speed). Als not a fan of the nerd chest bonus; on the server my friends and I play on, we just keep a g6 one in a chest for reading skill books. Every other heavy chest is better for combat since the nerd set bonus is mediocre when compared to something like the assassin set... actually almost every set bonus sucks compared to that set

[@CautiousPancake]

I agree - I think one of the devs commented to say that preacher gloves were for bandits, but I was hoping for a balance pass since they are still several months away. Agree that there needs to be a bit more variety, but I guess again - more variety means more work balancing...

[@zombothedemonneko1315]

Tbh i would swap the boots to the lumberjack one cause if i remember that one also has stam regen with run speed unless i am wrong and saw that wrong

[@CautiousPancake]

Yeah, I think that one is only stamina regen while running, but the quick tip is misleading since it just says "Stamina Regen, running" - but the longer description explains it's not stamina regen *and* running speed, but stamina regen *while* running. Easy mistake to make! (and I could be wrong, but that's how I read it)

[@zombothedemonneko1315]

@@CautiousPancake Aah yeah i didnt really read into it all to much

[@DarthPeachy]

Im still somewhat on the fence when it comes to the armours. I like that we have more options and I havent run into anything that I hate about it... yet. But yet is the opperative word, i'll have a better idea by the end opf my current play through so i'll drop another comment on this video then ;)

[@CautiousPancake]

Hey Peachy - good to see you back playing! Hopefully you get through the run and it's all still happy - but let me know regardless!

[@DarthPeachy]

@@CautiousPancake Thanks mate and well done on your first stream the other week :)

[@CautiousPancake]

@@DarthPeachy Thanks! It was fun as something different to do! So much happening at once though 🤣

[@paulodiaz5774]

I think the devs are trying to compliment the armor sets together with the volumed magazines though not very significant and it feels like these armor sets are mostly for role playing and must not be game changing, I mean we played this game before with simple armors without any bonuses. And they obviously wants us to craft multiple sets for each tasks we want to do. What I do personally is I craft the preacher set and just leave it in my horde base and only use it during horde night. And when I need to gather specific resources I use either lumberjack or miner set depending on what I need. All these bonuses are just to help in specific tasks and only the Preacher armor set really makes a difference when it comes to damage dealing and the athletic set is very good in the early game to preserve resources and travel faster on foot.

[@CautiousPancake]

I think you could be right. Sounds like a good way to play as well - and I should try the athletic armor and see how it feels!

[@paulodiaz5774]

@@CautiousPancake I observed that some sets are just for early game and need to be changed eventually. Another early game set is the Ranger set. The set helps with the Pipe pistol damage but more importantly the full set helps a lot in the reload speed since pipe pistol is considered as a revoler, and I have tested it personally. Since in the beginning we only have access to pipe weapons, this is gonna be a significant help, plus the additional armor since it is medium armor is a big boost and the additional health and stamina helps significantly as well, not to mention that little bartering bonus in the early game is very massive in my opinion. The key here is not to look at 1 set as your forever set in the whole game rather to recognize which are the early game sets to mid and to late game. Also some sets are only good for situations like gathering resources which you really don't necessarily have to upgrade if you lack the materials. Hope this perspective of mine will help appreciate these armor sets and learn how to utilize them properly.

[@sazzlesazzington3599]

I think they should add more clothing tbh, even if they dont have stats, simply for style..we don't exactly need the stats to play the game..they could literally just remodel the old clothes into new updated versions for the current character.

[@CautiousPancake]

I thought that's what would happen with the new armor originally, if they keep adding more styles each release though it might be good?

[@joelhuenink8440]

When we add humans to the game the preacher gloves will be useless against them. They are useless against animals currently.

[@CautiousPancake]

Hi Joel! That's true for sure, but nearly all combat currently is vs zombies rather than animals, and I have no idea how much combat there will be vs humans when bandits come in Feb 2025, so I can't rightly review for that (unless you wanna give me a sneak peak ;) It makes sense that you don't want to change the set bonuses and tiers too much, but as the game is now, they feel out of step with the other gloves. I also understand that a nerf will likely not be popular, and maybe the better option is just leaving it until bandits come in, but it feels like dropping the damage bonus on those gloves some (for now) would make choosing preacher vs other gloves more of a meaningful choice (i.e. do I want 25% dmg on both melee and ranged, or 50% dmg on just one), and you can ramp the dmg bonus back up again with bandits, depending on how significant and frequent they are for combat.

[@liberteus]

Armours are ok, but DLC... If tfp want us to pay they 6 months I'll have to drop the game. I'm very weary of greedy devs.

[@CautiousPancake]

Yeah, I'm hoping it's just extra armor skins or similar. I can't see them doing significant DLC drops - it would be such a difference from how they have operated for 10 years. Maybe after all the roadmap items are complete?

[@Sweet_Cheesus]

The complete lack of outfit customization is really disappointing. I play multi-player a lot and now everyone will look the same 😂😂

[@CautiousPancake]

Hopefully you can use dye's in future, but I don't think it will work well (given how dark a lot are). Having said that - did people look different in multiplayer before, or were they all just bdu + armor + puffer jacket / trenchcoat / football jacket? - so only really 3 top layers? I don't play a lot of multiplayer, so I'm curious!

[@Sweet_Cheesus]

@CautiousPancake you could dye the clothes and some armor pieces would show dye color so you had a little customization. It's not a big deal to most people but it will be missed by my crew.

[@Mr.Perkins]

The question, is multiplayer available on experemental/unstable builds?

[@s0515033]

Yes.

[@TPguard5]

The best armor is all heavy armor but with the preacher outfit. It will get you to 102 armor and it will make zombies heal you. It literally makes you unkillable even on insane. I left my computer running with rads hitting me and it took 2 hours for me to finally die to infection. I was at max hp with the debuffs only lowering my max hp. A health bar will prevent basically all debuffs if you take it making you truly unkillable. Remember to repair your armor when it reacher 50% durability but otherwise you cannot take damage.

[@CautiousPancake]

interesting, will have a play ... :D

[@CautiousPancake]

actually -shouldn't you have had a critical hit or two, or a bleed that took you out before infection?

[@TPguard5]

@@CautiousPancake I got crit with every debuff but the bleeding won't kill me as the zombies give health when they hit me. Around 1-5 health per hit.

[@CautiousPancake]

@@TPguard5 I'm not seeing quite the same result - don't get me wrong- it's pretty damn good, but I only see a little healing - I've got tier 6 raider for everything except preacher t6 output, with banded mods and cooling/insulated mods for the explosion resist. Missing anything?

[@TPguard5]

@@CautiousPancake Pain tolerance perk maxxed

[@lsswappedcessna]

I am a bit disappointed they're going for DLC instead of further updating the base game with new systems and new armors. It feels like so many devs have gone that direction. With the economy being the way it is I don't blame them, they have to put food on the table after all, it's just getting kind of old. Overall I like the idea of the armor changes, but the old system had nothing wrong with it, and with some polishing (notably, making BDUs not meta) could have been just as good if not better than the new system, but with the survival element of having to wear clothes you found in a random drawer.

[@CautiousPancake]

I get what you're saying - for me, as someone that's owned the game for a while now, DLC seems fine since I've had so many enjoyable hours in the game already, but this perspective would absolutely be different for everyone. On the note of clothing - I agree it could be more - and it's what I'm hoping for in the next weather system update - that it's a more survival oriented change.

[@joshuacoleman6245]

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[@hcmagic427]

With Bandits coming out this summer I don't think it the preacher glove will be as strong

[@CautiousPancake]

That's an interesting point, bandits could change things, just depends how much time we spend fighting bandits compared to zombies.

[@AlexTechie]

>With Bandits coming out this summer You might want to look at that road map again :|

[@hcmagic427]

@@AlexTechie Well eventually sorry

[@MAKSICK44]

Yea but what will happen with armor that i already have? I get a new one or they just delate it from my inventory

[@CautiousPancake]

Do you mean your Alpha21 armor? If that is waht you meant, then when you go to 1.0 from A21, you have to start a new game. It's quite common that the saves don't transfer over due to all the changes they make.

[@MAKSICK44]

@@CautiousPancake oh thanks a lot. I was reading about it and i found 1 comment that said my save would still be available in 1.0 becouse of microsoft politic or smth like that.

[@W1se0ldg33zer]

Right now there doesn't seem to even be any temperatures at all. I'm not a fan of having a specific armor piece giving a bonus to just one thing such as rifles or melee. I like it better where I don't have to worry about what kind of armors I have on. It just adds to inventory management instead of adding to game play. My lumberjack carry bonus are steroid shots which usually are easy to find in loot. The assassin bonuses are good in early game. These 2% - 5% bonuses are not even noticeable for most all of them from what I've tried out. And you can get better ones by eating candies or using consumables. So you're better off picking stuff that you can't get bonuses for any other way.

[@W1se0ldg33zer]

The stealth assassin bonus plus the others you get wearing them all really are deadly - I have level 2 for both stealth skills and was staying crouched on a cloudy day outside and they'd come running up to me and not see me - just sort of wander about in a rage from me rapidly nailing them with arrows. pretty hilarous. Just level 2 archery - was staying crouched and I don't think I've ever killed off a wandering horde so fast since I got this game in 2014.

[@CautiousPancake]

Thanks mate - good thoughts! And yes, I really need to try the assassin set (in case it's nerfed later) - everyone seems to be having fun with it!

[@CautiousPancake]

Agreed - early on it doesn't seem to matter too much which you pick, just not heavy for me - it felt so slooooooow!

[@W1se0ldg33zer]

@@CautiousPancake I was using the 20% Preacher gloves but then I figured that same thing - you know 20% of not much is still not much. lol

[@CautiousPancake]

@@W1se0ldg33zer 🤣🤣

[@Cinncinnatus]

Not even worried about it because this is experimental build not the release I wouldnt count on anything staying as is till stable comes out. otherwise everyone just going to use the exploit invincibility setup from now on and nothing else.

[@CautiousPancake]

I hope so! They do tend to patch a few things during experimental, so here's hoping armor gets a few tweaks- it's pretty good as is, just a few rough edges :)

[@Cinncinnatus]

I just got thru day7 and made a cobble ramp dropline base based off your design at least pathfinding didnt get borked.

[@Kenjanz]

Hey mister Pancake, can you expound a bit on what you were talking about from @8:45 to about 9:15 regarding the swapping of armor pieces? That went over my head...but tbh I am a bit high atm.

[@CautiousPancake]

Hehe sure - so what I was trying to say was that because medium and heavy armor have penalties to stamina and mobility, but those penalties are reduced by the points you put into medium armor skill (or heavy) - you don't want to use a full medium armor build, and have points in medium armor, but then use the nerd hat (heavy) as this will give you full penalties. However you can wear any light piece of armor any time, as there are no stealth/movement or stamina penalties for light armor.

[@grimmcquade]

@@CautiousPancake wait thats how it works? So basically if you want nerd hat your other pieces should be heavy or light?

[@CautiousPancake]

@@grimmcquade Yeah correct . I mean you *can* mix and match, but then you'll need points in the medium armor and heavy armor skills to offset the stamina and speed reductions, which are probably points you'd be better off spending elsewhere.

[@grimmcquade]

@@CautiousPancake Sorry for the late reply, work week and all. Good to know!

[@wiskyjack_7143]

I actually really dislike the amour/clothing changes. I feel like it just pigeon-holes your playstyle. Not that there was a lot of flexibility with the original system. But the new system is no better. I’d argue it’s slightly worse

[@CautiousPancake]

I think I can see what you mean - I've tried to avoid playing a particular way by hand-picking the armor pieces to match what I want, rather than taking a full set, since I think many of the set bonuses don't make a lot of difference. But I guess you mean that the sets are trying to make you play a particular way? Here's hoping if they stick with it, they make enough sets that there's one for every play style! And that there's a tradeoff- so if you want extra damage, you lose defensives, or you can tank, but not do much damage.

[@Novacification]

Yeah, the old system was meh to me but the new system actively detracts from my enjoyment of the game.

[@Sn1p0187]

im new to the game, is the padded armor removed from the 1.0 experimental version?

[@CautiousPancake]

Yes - 1.0 removes padded armor - you now can easily craft a set of primitive armor which is the starter armor, before moving into the new armor sets shown here, which you can craft, loot or buy. EDIT - also welcome to playing 7dtd!

[@PhunnyConflicts]

hm... not the biggest fan of weather systems in games. weather systems in games usually does very little to impact gameplay or, it'll have a major impact to the point where its annoying to deal with and then everyone just avoids that general biome or rushes through the content. would of been nice to see other improvements to the game, like the rebalancing of sfx in the game because we all know how annoyingly loud the game can be.

[@CautiousPancake]

Oh yeah, on the SFX, electric fences for me are the one that needs the biggest change for being overly loud but I'm sure there are others! Interesting thoughts on weather systems, I'd like it if they can influence things a little so cold slows you down, and hot increases thirst, maybe burnt biome needs a gas mask to remove a stamina reduction because of the smoke. Small things that can cause issues and contribute to a death at least.

[@Shaknor]

Thumbs up

[@d4cto]

I actually don't like preacher gloves all that much. Sure, even +30% damage on lvl3 gloves is noticeable, but it's light armor, so I'd personally swap it with raider gloves.

[@CautiousPancake]

interesting - Raider comes up a bit! I find the heavy armor too slow early on - how do you with keeping out of reach?

[@d4cto]

@@CautiousPancake that book which removes armor movement penalties is too good. It always was and if there are more than one ferral I'd just use backup firearm. From two 1.0 insane playthroughs I did, I stick with lvl4 primitive armor. Then I might consider preacher gloves with nerd outfit, raider helmet and boots. By that point I have bicycle so movement penalty isn't as punishing. Early on preacher gloves are good, but definitely not S tier imo.

[@CautiousPancake]

@@d4cto Thanks mate - always interesting to hear how others play!

[@Jesse-wn6jd]

Makes you a glass cannon, hit like a truck but when that radiated wight gets a 50 hp hit on you get rdy to mag dump its face. Doing 400 dmg a bullet on headshots with a modded t6 smg is ridiculous, I'm clearing t6 quests in the wasteland so easily it's lost all the suspense. The gloves are just busted especially with rad remover mods so radiated mobs feel like ferals. Doing infested quests always doubles my ammo so I have 3 steel chests of ammo I can't even get rid of on horde nights. Used t6 commando prior and it's just no contest. Also being infection immune do to preacher set is also nice so you're never worried about carrying antibiotics on long POI's

[@pitviper64]

I agree with your builds but the sets are too weak on their own. Not to mention they are just copy pastes of other sets. We have a lot that give the carry capacity on the chest. This should be on only 1 or 2 pieces that make sense for it like scrapper or miner. All the gloves give the damage bonuses they should be moved around to favor the weapon type. Like giving the enforcer glasses a bonus with using scoped weapons or the biker chest giving a bonus to shotguns. The foot wear is all the same other than the assassin for the stealth bonus they are either stam regen, speed, or reduced fall damage. The bonuses need moved around on light, medium, and heavy. Let the players mix and match not to mention give us back a light armor bonus tree. And the full set bonus is what should give the biggest bonus. Make us make a decision about how much and what to wear/carry. Currently the full set bonuses are not enough to justify using a dedicated full set compared to the resources put into it. I do like your comment about making the bonuses into mods. That would make sense for most of it. And as far as the elements Light should be good for Hot, Med is an okish all arounder, and the heavy is great for the cold. What I mean by this is you should never get "hot" is light armor and the inverse should apply to cold in heavy. Medium should never get the stage 2 of the temp discomfort. And could we ever get a mod to help with the dang rain?

[@rb2530]

👍👍

[@0wl999]

I think Pancake, and others, are just nit picking at this point. Every change is for valid reasons and if players want armor to apply to hot or cold then what was the point of getting rid of clothing?😮

[@CautiousPancake]

Yeah - it's interesting - lots of different and valid opinions on this one - it will be interesting to see in a few months how it looks/feels, and especially in 6 months when the Q4 release comes out.

[@altair3232]

Bad, a deal breaker, it's reverse engineering

[@CautiousPancake]

The armor sets are bad / reverse engineering? Sorry, not sure I'm understanding correctly.

[@altair3232]

@@CautiousPancake As in video u said, clothing(insulation) does not matter anymore + buffs are bound to armor, armor that you often have to change now, and then you need to change the mods on it as well. In past you were changing glasses, giving yourself cigar, maybe getting school jacket to boost speed, but armor stayed with it's mods. Now it's simply a downgrade in mechanics while upgrade in visuals. + it's visually boring, as said in video, people will wear only meta set, and at the end all will look same, you can't dye it, but even if, preachers in rainbow colors? I just can't believe they took core mechanic that was there since always, and instead of upgrading it, they downgraded it. Not only it less complex now, it also more annoying. Armor should be just armor, cloths+gadgets should be buffs. Upset with the update, bad update.

[@arcmancer7793]

As always, appreciate the info. I will be giving the 1.0 a wide pass until mods come out, not even going to bother with the armor mess. Would have bothered me a lot less if they dropped cloth requirements back down, me and the mrs had to raid 3 savage countries in our current a21 playthrough for cloth for duct tape. I'd hate to see the new system in action

[@CautiousPancake]

That's a lot of duct tape!

[@arcmancer7793]

@@CautiousPancake lol yeah had a duct tape bottleneck for gear and vehicles. Was a nightmare

[@dcsobral]

Your negatives are my positives. The struggle to choose an armor set is exactly the fun with the new system. Remove the armor perk and the armor your choose becomes irrelevant. The Preacher glove is unbalanced but i don't get people obsession with the extra damage. It's nice but not game changing. I'm currently using a full scavenger set, and I'll change into a full assassin's set late game. I want to try a full lumberjack set in a future play through, using the axe as melee weapon.

[@CautiousPancake]

60% more damage to all weapons is pretty game changing, if I was playing a ranger build, and would otherwise have 50% extra damage only when using revolver/lever action. So less damage, with a limited weapon set, no melee and no alt weapons. I agree with your point that it should be about choice and tradeoffs, that is what I want too - but preacher is so much better, it's an issue - as it's always the better glove (other than resource gathering).

[@dcsobral]

@@CautiousPancake is it game changing? When we can already get something like 450%? Sure, it goes to 510%, but that's not game changing.

[@JB10008d]

You should be punished for wanted to change your character, it allows for specializations of of a group/community. If everyone can do everything, no reason to play with anyone.

[@CautiousPancake]

I'll agree that not everyone should be able to do everything in game - so you can't be the master of all weapons. But if you change your mind - or someone in the group wants to swap, should you have to start all over with pipe machine gun when you were at tier 5 pump shotgun crafting, just because of a spec change? With gamestage still high, you're suddenly out of step with enemies! It's not my preferred for how to handle re-specs, as I think it means people would just start over instead of changing. But it's very subjective!

[@zazoreal5536]

Stats aside....Fcking great change! There are some stats that need buffing, but Armor feels good now and you don't need to collect 8 pieces with mods for each part.

[@CautiousPancake]

Glad you like it!

[@marcoeckhoff9920]

So far... I dislike the new armor system.

[@CautiousPancake]

What is it that you don't like?

[@marcoeckhoff9920]

@@CautiousPancake I miss the clothings for weather effect mitigation. I miss my collage Jacket for extra speed. In the early game encumberance is a bigger issue, because of the lack of eary pocket options. I don't like being "forced" into matching sets. Some sets are ugly AF (Nerd). And what is light armor for? You can't even skill it.

[@CautiousPancake]

@@marcoeckhoff9920 Fair enough - though the college jacket has equivalent boots (just not as effective early on). But I very much agree on the weather - hopefully that comes in the next release! I don't wear matching sets most of the time tbh and light armor has no stam or movement penalties to mitigate - so you can trade off increased damage received, for better mobility, and additional skill points to spend on other skills. It's a bit of a mixed bag!

[@joefizzle86]

Nothing makes me want to flip a table more than someone screaming for a nerf in a pve game. If you don't like a piece of equipment is, don't use it. Why ask for a nerf that effects every one when it's not needed

[@CautiousPancake]

On the one hand I completely agree. On the other - if I was to play a series and run around in full biker gear - but struggle to kill some rads in a poi with my shotgun, I bet I'll get a comment saying - "you should use the preacher gloves" - because they give a damage boost to all weapons, not just melee weapons. I like choice - I like making tradeoffs to play a particular style, which - as you said, I can still do - but it's harder when the system is built around choice and tradeoffs, when there's a piece that just gives you all bonus with no downside.

[@joefizzle86]

@@CautiousPancake that seems to more of a issue with your choice in clothing and skills. If you go in with a full set of melee clothes with full bonus for melee and you use a shotgun and lose because you're not getting any benefits because you have the wrong clothes for your style of play. Like you said it's a choice. You could go full melee, guns or mix of both with how you choose your clothes. Instead of nerfing the gloves buff the others. You start nerfing things and no one will ever be happy it will either be too high or too low which would make the preacher gloves Worthless. You also have to remember they plan on adding human enemies which would make the preacher gloves useless

[@hessian144]

it is not the video i was looking for not even close but i guess i should read the tile better before watching. i learned what i already knew the game is a work in progress. i do really like your approach in these videos as apposed to like Saven crying a river because the changes didn't fit his playstyle or whatever.

[@0wl999]

That's all the ' baby ' channels do is whine. Savens World, Guns Nerds and Steel, Iz Prebuilt, and others.😮

[@CautiousPancake]

Thanks Hessian! I'm kinda curious what video you were looking for - I tossed a few ideas around, but settled here - so interested if it was more on the stats breakdown or end game usage?

[@hessian144]

@@CautiousPancake to be honest i was just looking for a video that did the legwork and displayed what the new armor pieces did and what the set bonuses were. every time i fire up the game with intent to see i either get side tracked with life or decide i just want to play the game. it was a good video and knowing that i really only need to look for well priest gloves as an example is very useful.

[@hessian144]

@@0wl999 100% Truth!

[@CautiousPancake]

@@hessian144 ah fair enough - for that you might like this video from GNS: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6TZZGt5aM6jra8