It’s just proof that Steve Perry was not the problem that he was out to be!!
@chiko1354 Жыл бұрын
Steve Perry has always been a good mate The problem has always been Neal Schon. He didn't even want Steve Perry in the band to begin with. He didn't like his voice he didn't like the singing style he thought it was soft wasn't hard enough etc Too stupid to realize that they were about to make history. Like I said the issue was never Steve.
@ryanslauderdale11 ай бұрын
@@chiko1354 In fairness to Neal, Steve did successfully get the hip surgery, so why were all the arguments necessary concerning that? I get that it's a personal health decision, but did Steve want to be in the band or not?
@heffbaseball808310 ай бұрын
I simply think Neil wanted to always be on tour month after month year after year and Steve’s voice couldn’t handle that. A voice like Steve’s singing day after day will suffer. Look at all the albums. Each one his voice got lower and raspier. A voice isn’t like a guitar. Steve got burned out and knew the voice was suffering even though he could sound great. Even now. The man is smart enough to not look the fool and take criticism like all the other 80’s lead singers are right now sounding awful. He wants his legacy to be the past. You can play a guitar in your late 70’s. Exceptional singing has a short life span relatively speaking
@easypeasy758410 ай бұрын
@@heffbaseball8083This! Steve made the right decision. Left the band when he didnt feel the music anymore and things were taking a toll on his voice. So many singers stay just for the money. He did not and left even though they were still at their heydays. Very smart guy. So people will always remember him the way he was when he left journey.
@deancm93028 ай бұрын
Fake news. My understanding is Arnel is part of the 2024 tour. Who cares journey is a cover band now that started when Perry left.
@josez1 Жыл бұрын
It hasn’t been Journey since Steve left, but Ariel did give the band a second life. Once Arnel leaves, the band is done.
@alyssawalker64098 ай бұрын
I agree Steve Perry this the best I love him nothing like him
@leonardbarber95988 ай бұрын
I agree Steve was damn good but Arnel is pretty damn good much respect to him
@mariodorado59507 ай бұрын
What are you talking about! The band’s been done since Perry left!
@markn39366 ай бұрын
@@mariodorado5950almost as bad as Queen with Adam Lambert.
@michelelynn6914 Жыл бұрын
I believe the problem is Neal and Jonathan's greed.
@allthingsbegin Жыл бұрын
After everything Arnel gave to Journey.... I don't blame him if he leaves.
@joedivald1051 Жыл бұрын
It was classy when Steve gave Arnel kudos at hall speech.
@annetteandreotti3338 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Steve and Arnel both great. The other guy Neal married to that crazy lady. He thinks he is all that. 🤮
@cherbutler857 ай бұрын
Pretty sure Cain is the one who married the Trump loving psychopath.
@travisdom9391 Жыл бұрын
Steve was their voice... Arnel was their saviour.... both left... hope Arnel finds another intl band....
@secesh71848 ай бұрын
Why!? So he can sing like Steve Perry?
@tinasanjuan54767 ай бұрын
So he can use his own voice ! 🙄
@secesh71847 ай бұрын
@@tinasanjuan5476 ah!!!!! Of course…..🙄
@secesh71847 ай бұрын
@@tinasanjuan5476 don’t get me wrong….Arnel has an amazing voice!!!! I wish him the best! As he deserves it after playing with that duck S honn
@DougMcDave Жыл бұрын
Maybe Arnel and Steve could sing duets. That would be a thumb in the eye!
@mikewazowski3509 ай бұрын
Unfortunately Steve's voice isn't what it used to be, after singing those songs for over twenty years. I doubt we will ever hear him sing Journey songs again.
@jessekolch9557 Жыл бұрын
Arnel, you don't need journey to your continued success ❤ You have millions of true fans. We all love ❤️ you. God bless you. I'll be praying 🙏 for for you and your family. Your vocals are simply amazing.
@thewebstylist Жыл бұрын
Arnel a GODSEND like none other who’s literally kept Journey Alive for 10 + years (I saw them at the Hollywood Bowl 8-9 yrs ago and absolutely heaven sent chills) NO one could have otherwise done
@tegridyprime11 ай бұрын
A bunch of 70+ year old men acting like they're fresh out of high school bullying a dude 2 decades younger. Narcissism was just an extremely common thing for 60s/70/80s bands.
@beachplumb9 ай бұрын
I had to “fact check” your statement. I assumed Arnel was 15 to 20 years younger than me. I was shocked to learn he’s only 8 MONTHS younger than me!
@Datanditto6 ай бұрын
Oh get over it its just a rock band for crying out loud. Ever been in a band? Its ALL bullying for fuxache.🙄
@bilogskii2216 Жыл бұрын
Well everything must come to an end. Let's just be thankful that Arnel came along and gave the band a second life. No offense to the next lead singer but the band starts at Steve and ends with Arnel.
@markkassuba8134 Жыл бұрын
Saw him (them) in March in Illinois and he was amazing. Best of luck to him!
@jaykarimi71238 ай бұрын
Unfortunately that's what happens when you put a humble, good, loyal, normal person with "rock stars" & their ego's. Arnel is phenomenal & they were lucky to find him.
@Albert-the-Astro Жыл бұрын
I’ve always thought Neil and the other dude were the problem. Arnell in my opinion is a first class dude.
@terryvilla1606 Жыл бұрын
Always believe in you Arnel Been a fan since you were in the Phil.. If you leave am still going to be here for you You rock!!!!
@gloriasueb Жыл бұрын
I've noticed in the latest concerts, Pineda is sounding tired. While I'm a big Steve Perry fan, Arnel Pineda is a great singer and a really nice guy. Whatever he decides, I wish him well
@reneesantiago64969 ай бұрын
I pray Arnel isn’t back on drugs 😢
@michellecollazo65059 ай бұрын
Los explotan. No los dejan descansar como a Steve cuando joven . Lo que no entienden es qué está juventud es muy diferente a los años 70 a los 90. Tenemos qué orar mucho por Arnel y en nombre de Dios que no ingiera más esa porquería y siga cantando con su hermosa voz en JOURNEY para todos nosotros. Dios te bendiga Arnel y te dirija
@rsyamamo18 ай бұрын
Arnel is a good man. He did his job and did it well. He made millions and if he wanted he could go back to the Philippines with his family and live very comfortably for the rest of his life and not work. And still leave millions for his kids when he passes on. He’s humble and sincere and doesn’t need the drama and greed that corrupts people in America. 🙏🏻
@MayhemJack Жыл бұрын
Guess these folks never graduated out of high school. And that's not a band, that's a business. They don't care about each other or the music. There is no love or friendship there. There's just no soul. It's all insincere and none of it is genuine. It's all technical, and they are all great performers. With the exception of their greatest hits from way back, I don't know how anyone can connect with this "music" emotionally. Arnel should have left a long time ago to pursue his own music, far away from the drama of these 70-year-old children. "Don't Stop Believing," "Faithfully," "Open Arms," those songs will always be classics, and they'll always be a part of music history, but I'm sorry for saying, I never understood why this band thinks they're as influential as The Rolling Stones or The Beatles. They're just the Boston that made more than one hit. And as for Arnel, I always thought he was like the main character in the movie "Rock Star" from 2001. He can only do himself right by leaving. He has already earned millions, and he's set for life with the royalties. More importantly, he has made a name for himself. It's time for him to pursue things that have soul now.
@GuitaristPAX10 ай бұрын
Your comment is a bit off color some of what you're saying is just not true but music affects all of us in a different way That's the beauty, the tragedy and the majesty of music 😔
@hazelbivens3893 Жыл бұрын
I would have doubts for Arnel if he doesn’t perform well in all his concert . The journey is in their height of their popularity with Arnel what would they change that? If Arnel doesn’t draw crowds for the band maybe there is reason for him to be replace but this is not the issue. No one will support journey for what they are doing to Arnel . It a very discriminatory Act and selfishness !!! Nope we are not supporting Journey . I had followed you since I was young not anymore. Arnel draws not only Americans , Latino but also big Asian whole Asian Audience. We respect Journey for taking a risk hiring Arnel but that respect is gone for not treating him well.
@NytronX Жыл бұрын
Steve and Arnel should start a band together, could you imagine the harmonies?!
@metrohim9 ай бұрын
Please please please Sir Steve Perry and Arnel Pineda collab
@camdenforster888 ай бұрын
Steve is 75 man... he just wants alone time now 😂
@margehatfield9317 Жыл бұрын
He awesome. Thank you for entertaining us. ❤
@williamjablonsky5128 Жыл бұрын
He's great. Let's see him do his own thing, with a different band.
@nauikun652 Жыл бұрын
he's already 56, steve perry lost his high note voice earlier, remember that.
@Richard-wg2ro Жыл бұрын
That's pathetic there sueing each other. Yeah there's nothing like the original singer, but that Arnel Pineda is fantastic
@Janie-i2w8 ай бұрын
Arnel pineda is still with Journey. I just saw them today it was great
@tatersmama117 ай бұрын
I have tickets for their Denver concert in September along with Cheap Trick, Heart, Def Leppard and Steve Miller. Should be a great show. I think this post is just click bait bs.
@ameciawilliams7118 Жыл бұрын
I think it's time for Arnel to leave journey and venture on his own. There is only so much any human being can take. Journey will not last without Arnel unless they go and recruit a old member but I know for a fact it will not be Steve. Arnel you can do bad all by yourself. Leave the drama behind 😮
@27pugsly Жыл бұрын
He already left he’s doing philipino side gigs ! He made his money
@lindasuekulpaka8206 Жыл бұрын
I agree .He has worked so hard Spread your wings and create your own band ! Add Steve Smith an Ross and even Jon and name it "Still Standing "
@shranvy56129 ай бұрын
i saw them in april it was stunning good luck man'
@lysirishfleur30308 ай бұрын
I saw them with this singer decades ago. He was very professional, very nice, and sang remarkably. If you were far from the stage. You'd really think it was Perry singing.
@carolputney5250 Жыл бұрын
Run Arnel, run! The remnants of Journey have ruined the reputation of the band.😮😮😮
@dareelamb196411 ай бұрын
Oh man!! That sucks! I was finally able to get tickets to hear him and journey in concert this upcoming march.
@rticle15 Жыл бұрын
Regarding success and respect amongst your fans and peers, everybody is nobody until they are somebody, and now Arnel is somebody. You can't take that back.
@mrreemann373911 ай бұрын
I love Arnel because he is pure talent who rose up from abject poverty to fulfill his dream and play with his favorite band. What a story! Its tragic it's ended this way but im sure Arnel will have a successful solo career. Especially in the Philippines.
@MissingDrew815 Жыл бұрын
Good for him. He brought them back. Schon and his wife suck. He may be a founding member but he can't do it alone.
@VIRGUSLATRO31211 ай бұрын
Neil better accept that great Lead Singer will always be the HEART of the band.
@metrohim9 ай бұрын
Sir Armel YOU deserve the best of the best, We Love You Sir and We will continue to support you
@akasgsvirgil9503 Жыл бұрын
Arnel was the only post-Perry front man who didn't give me the sense that he was singing karaoke. He sounds the most like Perry of all the replacements, which is the irony of it. Its too bad these guys couldn't keep their heads straight and realize bands with iconic singers like Perry who leave for whatever reason rarely get a second bite at the apple. As talented as these guys are and regardless of how much I love this band, Journey still exists today because of Arnel. Period. It really is that simple. I think Neal's Journey Through Time was a great idea and very well executed. Dean C. absolutely killed it on vocals. I would've paid a lot of money to see that lineup and so would millions of others. I think if Neal Schon completely walked away from Journey, kept cashing the royalty checks, which I'm sure are still pretty darn good; and go work on the Journey Through Time thing, I think he would be a lot happier. So, Ironically, I guess what I'm saying is, Neal should walk away from "Journey" so he can concentrate on Journey, if that makes sense. lol But, if he does nothing else in these Autumn years, he should take his acoustic, some good wine and go see his friend Steve Perry one Sunday afternoon. That's what really matters.
@simmychua3026 Жыл бұрын
Team arnel pineda ,who is with me
@DreamsBig8511 ай бұрын
This guy needs his flowers he resurrected this band. He should be highly respected by the band and fans
@DavidLopez-cr7rj11 ай бұрын
I love Steve Perry but Arnel holds his own. I band I’ve loved for years and Arnel has filled the gap when Steve stepped out. He has made those songs his own without taking away from the songs themselves. Seen them live in 2022 and Arnel was great. Great band but they need him to be there to keep it alive. Unappreciative of his talents as far as I’m concerned if this is true what’s happening
@babalui66 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad I was able to see the real Journey back in the day.
@chiko1354 Жыл бұрын
Me too , me too!!! Back in those days you waited in line outside for tickets. I did !!!!
@Debbie-m7f7 ай бұрын
Same here❤
@LuchaLibertaria Жыл бұрын
Its time for Journey to pack it in
@johnsanin32688 ай бұрын
Just saw them two nights ago and they were great! A truly amazing concert or big Ol’ singalong! I’m still singing since then, don’t pass it up if you get the chance!
@coratuliao522010 ай бұрын
i love my idol Arnel Pineda
@girlbassfisher9 ай бұрын
I love jouney and been lucky to see them in 83 and 95 with perry on his own. 50th anniversary tour, and its heartbreaking steve isnt part of it. A milestone. Steve turned 75 and how old are the other's. Life has gone by in a blink of an eye. Steve will always be the voice. I love the magic he gives. All his heart goes into his music the older he has gotten the more soltre it has gotten sexy. I just recently found out that sherry that he made that song for passed away at 66. Didnt seem so long ago. The both of them were young and she was beautiful. ..
@theox73 Жыл бұрын
Steve and arnel can form a band together.
@JDAfrica5 ай бұрын
I remember when Arnel was just a small town boy living in South Detroit
@susie6319 Жыл бұрын
Steve Perry was journey Love his😂voice ❤❤❤
@chiko1354 Жыл бұрын
FACTS FACTS FACTS 🔥 That's exactly why the members of Journey opted for this man Arnell because he sounded like Steve and they didn't want to lose that sound even though they lost the Original. Arnel is good no doubt no doubt but he's no Steve In another way Jackie Chan was good no doubt no doubt but he wasn't Bruce!!!!! By the way I saw Journey in concert back in the 80's Trust me y'all Steve Perry's voice was even better live No auto-tune back in those days none of that bullshit this man was incredible he could have done the whole damn shit Acapella 🔥❤️ Love you Steve you were the soundtrack of my life bro 🙏
@girlbassfisher9 ай бұрын
I saw them to in 83 and perry in 95 there's nothing like his voice. Arnel is good too . But it's not steve
@ellenwinchester3658 Жыл бұрын
What's the common denominator among all the issues Journey had faced, from Steve quitting and now Arnel leaving is Neal Schon. He's an arrogant human being, petty, jealous, mean spirited and ungrateful. I wish they'd forced him out decades ago.
@michelleaustin7395Ай бұрын
I just saw them in concert last night...
@MacheteJake Жыл бұрын
Steve Perry snd Arnel are journey. Don’t know who the other 3 old dudes are?
@lisalavi375311 ай бұрын
He has done an amazing job!! He had big shoes to fill. Best Wishes to all!!
@fredstriker20427 ай бұрын
His band or not, Neal is the X factor in every single fight. The man is obviously the problem
@jjauclair7 ай бұрын
Saw Journey tonight with the new lead singer. He was so good man. I didn’t think he was that good. And he blew me away
@ErikShen29078 ай бұрын
Can't wait!!!!
@bugbomb804811 ай бұрын
One big sad state of affairs right there….. but hey it was a great couple decades….!
@mikelabel91188 ай бұрын
Perry returns 😮
@Tricia202316 күн бұрын
He put in his time 15 years of being on the road with them can’t be easy on anyone ! He is an amazing singer but it will take a toll on anyone ! Let’s not forget the other band members have been doing this way longer than he’s been alive so there’s a huge age gap between him and the other members they are way older than he is so I’m impressed that he lasted as long as he did with them 😮 He set out to become famous and he did it with one of the most successful bands in history ❤ Kudos to him ! He’s set for life !
@YoutubepolicySucksD7 ай бұрын
WELL ACCORDING TO MY HUSBAND, AND HE WAS LEAD SINGER IN SEVERAL BANDS, SINGERS ARE A DIME A DOZEN.
@luisitotampoc29543 ай бұрын
Kung hindi kana talaga maligaya jan e alis na lng. Salamat na lang sa psgsasama. God bless u Arnel
@kayden7911 Жыл бұрын
Neal Schon always has been such a jerk.
@retired5218 Жыл бұрын
But his ego just keeps getting bigger & bigger. 😕
@clydebrown9982 Жыл бұрын
I never ever considered Schon a great player! guitar picker in a band with hits does not make you a virtuoso! Barely competent!
@rticle15 Жыл бұрын
@clydebrown9982 neil writes some tasty licks and is a high-level pro as a player. That doesn't excuse being a jerk though
@erinriddle9729 Жыл бұрын
Wish Neil would just pack up his giant ego for the music's sake.
@retired5218 Жыл бұрын
When I saw Journey a few years ago, the big screens pretty much only showed Neil. You wouldn't even know Arnel was their singer.
@peewee75304 ай бұрын
Love Arnel. He is a real class act.
@kerryscott76399 ай бұрын
Thank god, it's about time!
@BoomBoomBoom..10 ай бұрын
Hes still my favorite karaoke singer no matter what..
@XxRockstar88xX7 ай бұрын
I love Steve and Arnel both so much, But I saw them live and Arnel can never leave
@kurukutok Жыл бұрын
This neilschon is so full of himself. Why is he like that? 😂
@patrickrasakit520410 ай бұрын
Chicago need a front man…. Coz Peter cetera is out n Arnel can do peter cetera pretty good
@susanferrazzano19578 ай бұрын
We saw him and he is amazing
@Nurse6610 ай бұрын
Steve is THE BEST!!!! I cry listening to his voice!!!😢😢😢
@calcat73758 ай бұрын
Yes he has a good voice I wish Steve was still there though. I'm sure he'll find another band, the law suits are too much. Much Love to you all❤
@tedcrocker62836 ай бұрын
I'm a huge huge Steve Perry, but this guy Arnel has come in and literally( as the video says) carried journey on his shoulders, decades beyond what their music alone would have carried them. He has become the lifeline of journey and once he's gone, all the band members can pack it up and go home. Because they will not find another one.
@AletaFlores11 ай бұрын
You never know what goes on behind closed doors. Neal has a huge ego. And he lets everyone know that he's Journey. Pineda is the first guy that has come close to singing the songs. I love Steve Perry, and I softened toward Pineda. But I never have cared for Neal. I've seen too many interviews that he's done where he credits Journeys success to himself. If that's the case he should do a solo act.
@sandradelgado53107 ай бұрын
I hope thy will stay together, because this iwhat to the most of all bands that i kmow 😮
@tabathalaban94998 ай бұрын
You're information is crap, I saw them in concert Sunday night 2-18-24. By the looks of their upcoming tour schedule I'd say they're doing just fine!
@chastinreppert76858 ай бұрын
Without bringing in Arnel when they did, the band would not be as popular as they are now. Kudos to Arnel!
@natemartin698 ай бұрын
Wow that's sad. I remember him joking journey when I was a kid. He went from Karaoke bars to being in the band for real, a shame the drama has pushed him away.
@rilly2991 Жыл бұрын
what’s the rest time on both strength and isolation exercises?
@shantayaBholisticsolutions9 ай бұрын
Obviously those Instrumentalists of Journey have such a big egos. They tried to crash Perry and now him. So Perry was never the problem. No one really cares about your ability how great you play your instruments when the character is rotten. Your music before Perry came, was boring, sorry to break it to you. Perry made you guys famous and this young man helped you further on to tour, you could practice gratitude but instead you are lost in your illusion… really sad. 😢
@jadestar36028 ай бұрын
They started a new tour and Arnel is still singing for the band Not only that, I saw them live recently and Arnel looked rested, excited and genuinely happy to be singing still. He and Neal Schon even had great chemistry on stage, and Neal specifically credited Arnel with saving the band. It seems like Arnel isn't going anywhere anytime soon and thank god, Journey is better because of him
@shenaluke11 ай бұрын
Good for Arnel. He should leave them and have hamging in the wind, like they did Steve.
@charleysgarage Жыл бұрын
Arnel is awesome!
@steveazulay8233 Жыл бұрын
Arnel would be NOTHING without Journey...flipside of coin..JOURNEYBWOULD HAVE BEEN NOTHING WITHOUT ARNEL. Just sayin!
@daveycrockett94478 ай бұрын
Exactly- and good luck for Neal and Cain to find another singer that can even come close to Arnell- wow - they both really screwed themselves. Now they will be nobody without Arnells voice. Sit back and see how successful they are now without Arnell
@johnsherrill7106 ай бұрын
Arnel is the only person on the planet that comes close to Steve Perry. Incredible that they found him
@GUITARSTYLINGSSAMUELLETIZIA Жыл бұрын
They're old enough to be Arnal's dad lol. He brought great vocals...every bit as good as Steve Perry, and relevance to a younger audience! A nobody???? Wow!
@williamsherman10898 ай бұрын
The only grown-up in the band finally had enough
@jdog2112rush8 ай бұрын
Arnel filled in nicely for the Journey tribute band.
@johnschwalenberg278 Жыл бұрын
He did his time made a lot of money , good for him .
@itistheway19117 ай бұрын
Arnel is the one carrying the band.... without him there's no tours.
@rudygracia55738 ай бұрын
Arnel already made his Mark;Made A massive Statement/Impression,Made a Lot of money!🤑From here on out,he can just do whatever he want's.
@pete96887 ай бұрын
Arnel is wise. He made his millions and walked away from Neil who is absolutely insane! Enjoy your life Arnel kababayan!
@spaomalley11 ай бұрын
Arnel can sing...but Steve WROTE the stuff Arnel is singing. Arnel is trying to copy/match Steve as best he can at the end of the day.
@SleeveSaturday11 ай бұрын
I don’t disagree with any of that
@alenemarie Жыл бұрын
I’m a purist, Journey isn’t Journey without Steve. Just my opinion.
@SleeveSaturday Жыл бұрын
Fair enough ✌🏻
@jrnyman78 Жыл бұрын
Purist? Journey existed before SP. He replaced Robert Fleischman so, your statement makes no sense . With or without a singer, as long as Neal is at the helm, it will always be Journey. SP's voice was the vehicle that took them to global success but, there were 4 outstanding musicians that played the music. Journey is a band, not one individual. SP couldn't sing their catalog of hits he made famous if he wanted to. He'd sound worse than the worst karaoke singer ever and no one wants to hear that version of him. Arnel stepped up against unbelievable pressure and filled the position better than anyone could have- including SP himself. By 2007 his voice was already toast and he knew any attempt to front the band again would be a disaster and would tarnish his legacy and leave everyone disappointed. So, Journey is still Journey thanks to Arnel. And as for him quitting the band, it will never happen. He feels infected to Neal for changing his life. Don't believe everything you hear in a Google short.
@jctotsways1345 Жыл бұрын
That's not what this video is for though???
@huetuber1204 Жыл бұрын
You're not a purist, you're an elitist. Oh btw, you are entitled to your wrong opinions. 🔥🔥🔥
@JDashRider Жыл бұрын
Agreed. It is not Journey without Steve. If you saw them in the 80s like I did, you'd know why.
@ronj57149 ай бұрын
We have always known who was the problem in this band.
@liamphillips73157 ай бұрын
Deen can literally sing the entire show. They should do an album and tour with the Journey Through Time band. It totally blew away the last few years of Arnel shows.
@johnbeck21708 ай бұрын
Arnel can tour on his own. Or start his own band. Maybe Steve Smith, Ross Vallory, Greg Rolly, and Arnel Pineda-can start their own group. Invite Steve Perry for cameo appearances, too. That would be epic.
@B.JoyJohnsonАй бұрын
They can kiss it all goodbye if Arnel leaves!! 💋Looks like Steve wasn’t the issue after all?? 🤔 Shame this may end one of the world’s best bands… 😢
@trctheraulchannel2023isback Жыл бұрын
we're gonna have steve perry back on!
@27pugsly Жыл бұрын
Yeah an old washed up Perry
@Sighlense Жыл бұрын
@@27pugslyReeeeeeeeeeeeee!
@polehuggermusic8 ай бұрын
Too bad. Such a great band
@Gonzalo-wr9mm8 ай бұрын
He can sing anything, he don't need Journey, Journey need him.
@valeriaregina71638 ай бұрын
Steve e Steve não se compara a nada, não existe journey sem Steve mas desejo boa sorte a Arnel
@ohyea2u7 ай бұрын
Without Steve Perry , there IS NO Journey
@sdime9858 Жыл бұрын
Steve Perry is Journey like Lou Grammy is Foreigner and Dennis DeYoung is Styx
@kennethpeller7411 Жыл бұрын
Glad to see that it wasn't just Steve Perry problem it was Jonathan Cain and his ego
@jimrichens6656 ай бұрын
It simply ruins it for the audience when the guys are destroying each other in the media. Ego is death.