Arrma Outcast 8s vs Traxxas XMAXX 8s: Skate Park Destruction

This is the one people have been waiting for Arrma Outcast 8s vs Traxxas XMAXX 8s destruction and durability test at the skate park
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[@aaronmitchellrc7256]

Best XMaxx vs O8 comparison I’ve seen mate, loving the content! 👊🏻 was a good day out.

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks, just kept it true and real, had a blast doing the filming and Jack did justice with his edit.

[@chris81983]

I own both as well and really never worry about the xmaxx breaking. I was jumping the xmaxx yesterday and a few times drilled it into the dirt and it was just fine. I know the Arrma would be smoked and going home with broken shocks and arms. I love these types of videos keep up the great work guys.

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks - yeah we are the same, im sae to take the outcast 8s out 😂 i know they can be tough with the money spent upgrading, but the Xmaxx is just tough and durable pretty much out the box

[@mrbrucie7295]

Personally I haven’t had any breaks or damage on my outcast. I beat on it pretty hard too. However I don’t send mine to the stratosphere either. Highest jump was about 20ft. The weight alone is a reason I personally wouldn’t beat on it as extreme as you guys. Plus I feel the shocks are angled too much. Don’t think it’s a design flaw in the shocks but more like a design flaw in the geometry. Great video! Awesome edits!

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks, we do like the Outcast 8s, its a great truck. Think its a combination issue really, the wide angle of the shocks gives it more stability, but then the shock shaft is to small to handle the big jumps with the angle. Needed to have narrower shocks, but that would ruin the handling, or thicker shock shafts. The EXB now has 6mm shafts so they have addressed the issue, just a shame they didn't go to 7mm shafts. Thank you for watching and glad you liked the video 👍

[@MrsKocholoo]

Xmaxx is better

[@carlosgabin5215]

So tru I been in the hobbie now for about 3years. I don’t understand why send something 100ft? I can even see the RC and honestly might as well just get a drone or plane😂😂🤦🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️😃. Seeing the RC is the fun part don’t u want to appreciate the it moves, speed, shock articulation, body movements etc? I do like to watch the videos there’s a lot of other good stuff on here too, also to support our community. I did upgrade my shock shafts from the getgo and never had an issue unti 2days ago. I hit metal pole doing about 50mph and that was all!🤷🏻‍♂️😃cheers everyone just have some fun.👊🏼✌🏼🙏🏼

[@andiprogshop3097]

You are right with the geometrie. The shocks need a steeper angle, not much, just 1cm wider on the shocktower and everything would be fine. Lifting the suspension arms a few millimeters with the droop screws would help also

[@moerc]

One word. Okay two words Fricken LEGENDARY! Best heads up durability test- Much love from across the pond! 🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🏎🏎🏎🏎🏎🏎💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️

[@HardcoreRC]

Wow thanks - really glad you liked it, we certainly had a lot of fun doing this one

[@KevinTalbotTV]

i already know the o8 will break an arm!!

[@KevinTalbotTV]

and bent chassis!!

[@KevinTalbotTV]

and shock shaft

[@Emily_xx5]

@@KevinTalbotTV hi Kev how u doing your getting closer to a million every day

[@KevinTalbotTV]

surprised the arms didn't break!! be the chassis is bent tho

[@fammihm3651]

Aren't the arms on the outcast 8s stronger than on the kraton?

[@williamoleary9330]

Now that’s a good day of testing We just picked up the Xmaxx a few days ago & it’s awesome!

[@HardcoreRC]

It was a great day, just very cold. You will love the Xmaxx 👍

[@blue222g8]

Keep it up guys just got an xmaxx and it's thanks to channels like yours 👍 what a fun way to enjoy the outdoors !

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks, just like sharing what we do 👍👍 hope you love the Xmaxx as much as we do, but im sure you will, its hard not to like it 😂

[@norcalrc]

Great action in this video. Jack I am loving your editing skills bro. Looks like you all had a good time making this one. And you all weren’t shy about airing them out. Truly HARDCORE

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks matye, only one issue with jack doing such good edits, makes my videos look boring 😂😂 boys had great fun sending these cars

[@norcalrc]

@@HardcoreRC he does a heck of a job. The variety is nice

[@HardcoreRC]

@@norcalrc Thanks - he must get the creative side from his mum, its not from em thats for sure 😂😂

[@joe_cool3615]

Just awesome!! This is the best and most fair comparison I've seen yet between these 2!😎 all good landings and the same amount of jumps from the same ramp... the winner was clear and this is the last comparison video I need to see.. the Xmaxx will go perfectly alongside my kraton 6s😎😎

[@HardcoreRC]

Glad you enjoyed it! and you will love the Xmaxx, first car we put in the boot when we go out now

[@joe_cool3615]

@@HardcoreRC i can see why, you guys sent it to the moon😎what would be you and your boys 2nd and 3rd go to bashers?

[@levistewart5610]

dooood we might end up having the same setup!

[@pgrcplus]

Bananarama - classic 😎 So pleased I went for the X-Maxx (got the 19T pinion in it but it was so cold today I didn’t get best speed) 👍

[@HardcoreRC]

Hehe - to be fair we were pretty sure the shocks were going to bend so had that catch phrase ready to go. Xmaxx is just a great all round RC and tough as hell, also dirt cheap to fix. Yep its pretty cold right now so not much fun getting out, roll on the summer

[@sunilsamuel2328]

THAT WAS THE ONE OF MOST CREATIVE AND EPIC REVIEWS !!!!!!!!!!!!

[@HardcoreRC]

Many thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it, tried to make it as fair as possible to give a good side by side review of each cars durability

[@martyncrease8289]

Definitely the best Xmaxx outcast 8s durability test having two drivers and one camera man will be a hard combo to complete agents

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks Martyn, thought we would keep it as fair as we could, both car effectively stock. We did have some fun making this one as you know 😂😂

[@camaroboy383]

100% agreed..👍

[@Basherqueen]

Yes, definitely expected result! O8S needs a V2 ! Come on Arrma, you can do it 💪

[@HardcoreRC]

Indeed - or just put the EXB shocks on the RTR, its the biggest weak spot

[@jaayyboy28]

Outcast 8s exb for the win 💪

[@HardcoreRC]

@@jaayyboy28 With the bigger shocks for sure, dunno why they still dont put those bigger shocks on th RTR

[@NepDouble07]

Love both of them, but the xmaxx takes the durability. I'd still prefer the outcast 8s just for the handling. Not a crazy basher, most I'd change are the shock shafts and arms.

[@HardcoreRC]

You are spot on, both great cars, whilst the O8S had this result i still love it as it does handle very well, especially for its size and weight, just need to sort the shocks out some how, then it will be on another level

[@rclunatic]

@@HardcoreRC I agree with the both of use guys

[@HardcoreRC]

@@rclunatic Thanks 👍👍

[@EJ-74]

Great comparison guys 🔥👍 Ya just can't beat a XMAXX far as durability and they have a fair amount of power straight out the box I'm more into competitive off road racing in my opinion the Outcast would make for a better race truck it's a little more stable so I would rather have the Outcast It's obvious the XMAXX is the King of bashing though ✌️

[@HardcoreRC]

O8S is more stable, would love to see a load of O8S racing thats for sure

[@Oh5MaGmA636]

That you Jackfrags? Haha awesome vid, thinking about buying my friends Xmaxx and Erevo! Really looking forward to bashing the Xmaxx!

[@HardcoreRC]

Go for it, Xmaxx is a great RC

[@cbforme]

Never seen shock shafts bend like that of course never saw a bash like that before. The music is a nice addition also keep up the good work

[@HardcoreRC]

LOL - these cars need to be tested 😂😂 glad you liked the video and the edit - my son did this one and think he knocked it out the park 👍👍

[@robertsoneil83]

You should do the same test again with the m2c shafts in. I've just literally fitted m2c shafts to my ops just before I saw this video. One of the best xmaxx vs o8s durability test I've seen 👍🏽👍🏽

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks for your kind words 👍👍 i have fitted the M2C shafts and lighter oil 350cst, then we do plan to do the test again, but will leave it a few weeks so its not repeating so quick

[@paulkauss9346]

Nice! I love how you guys drive it for it's intended purpose. Big air

[@HardcoreRC]

Its the only way to drive, no point treating them with kid gloves 😂

[@DrClawizdead]

When you played Silent Night at the end. *Arrma felt that*

[@HardcoreRC]

Hehe thanks - felt it was a great song choice 👍

[@surfside75]

My custom Mojave says hello😁

[@mcpheemotorcarshotrodshop]

"Keep going til they break", love that!

[@HardcoreRC]

Had to be done, its a two hour drive, no point putting it away so soon 👍👍

[@Pete_B95]

Xmaxx, tough like duplo. I prefer technic Lego 😂

[@EastTactics]

It’s official boys!! The X Maxx is the undisputed 1/5 scale basher beast of 2021. Crazy how much higher though our beloved OurvArrma Kraton 6S can soar! I might say if you take a size out of the equation the Arrma Kraton 6S is the dominant all time basher. Thoughts?

[@HardcoreRC]

Yes no question in my mind the is the undisputed 1/5th basher. The 6s cars can go crazy high that is for sure, our EXB hits stupid heights, think we recorded 49ft once. But this year is going to be very interesting once we get to summer as i know of some crazy 1/5th builds that are going on right now that whilst not stock could be jumping to even greater heights. All that said the Kraton EXB is still our favourite car

[@acerig4675]

Shock's off! Thanks for sharing, from the states.

[@HardcoreRC]

Your welcome, thanks for watching 👍

[@Addicted_2RC]

So I don’t have an Outcast 8s yet but I would have to agree XMaxx is way more durable then the Outcast 8s without a bunch of chassis upgrades. The XMaxx is really impressive and with a few fairly cheap upgrades it’s crazy 💪!!! Great video 👊👍

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks - really loving the Xmaxx, also love the O8S, but for what we do with the cars the Xmaxx wins - its crazy what it can take

[@mrclairesrcs3290]

Martyn in the background FINISH IT 🤣

[@HardcoreRC]

LOL, Martyn was loving it, he is a bad influence 😂😂

[@bradjrc196]

Was always going to be the xmax. It’s a beast . Great test

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks - the O8S did jump and handle in the air very well for its weight, but it just cant compete with the Xmaxx.

[@mossyhollow3732]

$930 for XMaxx, $900+ all the broken parts over and over again for the Arrma. Even the EXB's can't hold their own. Talk is cheap but parts aren't. Great demo and driving.

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks - cant comment on the EXB version as dont have one, but they have made the shocks better on the EXB, is it enough though

[@jimbratherton]

Nice video lads. I’m not sold on the 8S trucks. Bit big and heavy for skate parks no? I wonder if the Kraton 6S would be a better option for most people, even that little Typhon was flying well

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks, Xmaxx handles skate parks well, especially for its size, but the 6s cars do jump higher and fasters thats for sure, our Kraton EXB has hit 49 feet off this ramps, and i think our Talion will likely beat that as well

[@staveonbingbing7626]

Great and fun comparison! Have an XMaxx and want an Outcast next! Both beasts!

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks - yes they are both beats, i would suggest getting the EXB Outcast 8s though as it comes with thicker shock shafts

[@eseleven6751]

Hands down the best fair comparison between the xmaxx n o8s.. Just ordered an Xmaxx .. Thank you.❤️

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks - that was our aim to be clear and fair, plus have fun doing it of course 😂😂 hope you enjoy the Xmaxx as much as we do

[@kasparov937]

@@HardcoreRC What batteries do you recommend for the xmaxx 8s?

[@HardcoreRC]

@@kasparov937 Im running either the Turnighy Rapids 5,500mAh packs from Hobbyking hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-rapid-5500mah-4s2p-140c-hardcase-lipo-battery-pack-w-xt60-connector-roar-approved.html?affiliate_code=FASSYMTTSPUEGLJ&_asc=6060877247 or DXF 8,0000 or 8,4000mAh packs

[@PopalongRC]

Nice vid fellas, if you don’t mind me asking what camera you guys use?

[@HardcoreRC]

Currently using a GoPro Hero9 - may i ask why you ask ?

[@alphaj9]

I prefer the Xmaxx simply for the fact that all parts can be found in any number of my local hobby shops and I don’t have to wait on shipping of parts like with most Arrma vehicle stuff. This may just be my local area but Traxxas stuff is just so easy to find day of.

[@HardcoreRC]

Think its the same in most places, plus Traxxas parts are sooo much cheaper

[@smallscalemotoring]

Also, that is the most mangled shock shaft I've ever seen 😂👍👍

[@HardcoreRC]

LOL - they were pretty bad, going to have fun getting that bad one out to fix it 😂😂

[@tavvs4102]

Great comparison

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks - tried to keep it as fair as possible 👍👍

[@goon1500ify]

I kinda don't fault the outcast for bending shock shafts I mean heavy 5th scale trucks arn't really made to handle that kind of impact given its weight but I'm definitely impressed with the Xmaxx. I'm hesitant to get one because every traxxas vehicle I own required A TON of upgrades just to be able to make it through 1 Lipo or pair of lipos without somthing failing . both my revo 3.3 and e revo and Emaxx were absolutely terrible ! They cost me hundreds in upgrades to actually enjoy them and I still won't jump them .

[@HardcoreRC]

Outcast is a big heavy beast, my biggest issue is that the truck is marketed and sold to be able to do this and it cant 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ This is the only Traxxas we own, although do have another Traxxas coming very soon, so cant comment on how their other car perform, but the Xmaxx is really a great RC. It does have some weak spots that are cheap and easy to deal with: 1) Rear hubs - change out to RPM that have a much bigger bearing, also RPM have just released front hubs, but not aware of any issues with the front hubs. 2) Hinge pins can pop out as the a arms flex, just replace certain hinge pins with two packs on RPM hinge pin that come with nuts on the end. 3) Spur and pinion gears, if they go replace with Hot racing or GSD hardened steel ones. 4) Diff out drives can crack, $20 gets you output drive cup rings. We have beat the snot out of ours, broken 1 A Arm, front bumper mount, rear diff cover (£3.15)

[@Addicted_2RC]

Heading out to bash in the snow right now. Listening in I’ll watch when I’m done driving 👊👍 this is gone be good!!!!!

[@HardcoreRC]

Have fun bashing in the snow, we had snow today but no where near the amount they forecast 😥

[@Addicted_2RC]

@@HardcoreRC Definitely was a fun time not many jumps the snow got deep real fast. Mojave EXB first run in the snow!!!!!! Wow that thing is impressive!!!!

[@lexsteel12]

This durability test may, or may not be a fair comparison. The Outcast 8S is how much heavier than the X-Maxx? But the Outcast should at the bare minimum, last a few hard landings without bending the shock shafts. If I'm investing that kind of money on any RC over $1000 dollars, I would expect it to last me a few bashing sections, without busting an A-arm or bend some shock shafts.

[@HardcoreRC]

Think its a fair comparison as they are both 1/5 scale monster stunt / bashing trucks, both cost roughly the same just one is made of plastic and the other is metal. Totally agree that with the amount the outcast costs it should be able to take jumps without shocks bending on good landings, if the landing were bad and something breaks then that's just RC life, but they should not bend on good landings, they were actually bent after just the second landing. Hopefully Arrma will take this onboard and revise the design to sort out the issue

[@Basherqueen]

Awesome bashing session 👍👍👍 Greetz to you UK guys 😘

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks Kimberly, hopefully get to meet the Basher Queen if you come back over in the future

[@brutallyaverage8293]

This video is too well done for fan boys to blame end user for lack of durability LMAO

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks that was our aim, have everything the same as much as possible, so no one could say it was different weather, different skate park etc etc etc. The only thing different was the drivers, but each landed every single jump perfectly on the wheels, expect strangely when they both crashed on the same run up (Xmaxx before the jump and Outcast after the jump)

[@rcpd3157]

The geometry on the OutCast seems a bit off from watching this. However, you did jump it 36ft high😂 and it weighs a bit more than the XMAXX. #M2C definitely needs to be onboard for even a slight chance of survival. Great video. Keep it guys.

[@HardcoreRC]

Geometry is all stock, just the stock shocks cant take the weight, Arrma really should address it and put better tool steel shafts on as standard. It did handle very well in the air though

[@rcpd3157]

@@HardcoreRC Mainly what I meant is they have the Geometry off. Because if the rods don't bend they break the arms. You can use #M2C and it helps a lot. It also seems that in the videos I watched, the arms start to give up instead. Idk...just saying that's the appearance from this video and many more I have seen.

[@levistewart5610]

i think the problem with arenas geometry is the shocks pound outward too much, while the xmaxx shocks are more straight up and down. luckily, arrma listens and they will probably find a way to fix this in the v2 or something

[@HardcoreRC]

@@levistewart5610 Gives them a reason to make a V2 and then sell it to people that already bought a V1 😂😂 i don't get how this got past any type of testing

[@levistewart5610]

@@HardcoreRC they probably don’t send their cars 36 feet for the test lol 😂

[@dronefootage2778]

awesome how high they go and you guys getting some good laughs from the bent shock

[@HardcoreRC]

That's, yeah for big rigs they do jump high, we did have a good laugh at the shocks bending - cant help laughing at Bendy Wendy 😂

[@JesseBMotors]

That was some great testing guys 👍🏁

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks - glad you liked it, will be part two in the future, with M2C shafts and lighter oil

[@smallscalemotoring]

Awesome video as usual 👏 editing and music are 👌💯

[@HardcoreRC]

Thank you - Jack did this one, he always knocks the edit out the park, need him to edit more 👍

[@Tatts084]

The xmaxx is the skate park / jump king but I still prefer the outcast for everything else. Handles and looks much better.

[@HardcoreRC]

Hit the nail on the head, also the O8S just looks stunning as well

[@lamarturner1731]

Loved this video good job showing the durability, you guys drive great also

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks - just showing it how it is, nothing stagged or hidden 👍

[@miguelortizplanton8728]

Puff sois únicos me encanta vuestro canal gracias por compartir esos momentos que nos asen bolar de alegría un abrazo desde Córdoba España saludos.

[@HardcoreRC]

Muchas gracias por tus amables palabras. Estoy encantado de que te guste nuestro canal 👍 Abrazo de Reino Unido a España

[@Emily_xx5]

First 🙂love the video and how are you✌🏻who edited the video because it’s very good

[@JackLee-yk4sn]

I did, Thankyou Emily

[@Emily_xx5]

@@JackLee-yk4sn no problem 👍

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks - first gain, Jack edited this one - im not that good 😂😂

[@Emily_xx5]

@@HardcoreRC the music in this video is so good

[@HardcoreRC]

@@Emily_xx5 Jack sure did pick some good tunes for this video - love the end bit as well

[@mutosanrc1933]

mmhh very interessting. I jump hig and had no bending except when I landed side ways. Also the xmaxx is not stock and weights less then the outcast. But on the other hand I dont jump when its cold.

[@HardcoreRC]

Many people have had this very issue with the shocks, hence why M2C brought our tougher shafts and also Arrma have beefed them up to 6mm shafts on the EXB, both cars jumping on same day so temperature had zero to do with it. Why do you say the Xmaxx wasnt stock ?

[@JohnVHRC]

Cant believe you guys are sending them that hard! My XMAXX is still my baby, haha

[@HardcoreRC]

Hehe - have to send them to see what they can do 😂 have to live up to our name as well 👍

[@agoogleuser5771]

i’ve had my xmaxx for just under a month and i broke the rear hub, bent 2 shock shafts. and blew a tire out and i didn’t even send it nearly as close to what you guys did in this video lol but i’d pick my xmaxx over anything,

[@HardcoreRC]

@@agoogleuser5771 Rear hubs are weaker area deffo upgrade to the RPM rear hubs, tires cover up the inner hole with tape, that normally helps. Shocks dont know as never bent them yet. It is a great truck

[@allydc8603]

Great Video. We was there Saturday.

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks - love that skate park, might bump into each other one day

[@KC_2112]

Drill bigger holes in the shock pistons and that bent shock shaft stuff will go away. The stock holes in the pistons are to small and big jumps the shocks can’t suppress fast enough and it creates the bending in the shock shafts. Awesome bash session though.

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks for the tips! others have said that as well, have switched to the M2C shafts and thinner oil, will re-do again once we get the O8S servo back from warranty as that packed up, also waiting for the new 7mm M2C shock system to be released

[@BigBRC]

That was an epic comparison. Xmaxx is King! Awesome vid 👍

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks, die hard Arrma fans boys are not happy though 😂😂

[@johncampbell4747]

So glad I went for an XMAXX over an OC8.. Have just swapped it for a DBLXe though. Great vid guys, keep up the good work. FINISH IT!!!!!

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks, LOL finish it 😂😂 really like the look of the DBLX - just have to get a bigger proper car or van to carry all the bigger cars in

[@KC_2112]

Hey question for you I watch yours, Kevs and Clairs videos all the time. And it seems like it’s either ready to rain or has just rained. Do you guys get to see the sun much or is it always dark and gloomy weather over there?? It just seems like everything is always wet in the videos 😆

[@HardcoreRC]

LOL, lets just say the weather has been dark and gloomy for a while now 😂 but at least RC's and the gang make the days out all light and fun 👍

[@g.b-MTB-trail-jumps3062]

Great vid mate....looks aweaome Perfect spot👑

[@HardcoreRC]

Thank, glad you enjoyed it, had to be this skate park for the test 👍

[@gartsworld-RC]

The stance of the shocks by the outcast are more on an angle instead of the xmaxx. A lot of energie when impact comes from the side when the shock going in. Maybe if you try to put it straight under the car it helps saving your shocks.

[@HardcoreRC]

Cant change the stance of the shock though, its either bad design or inadequate shock shaft thickness, i suspect the latter in view the EXB now comes with 6mm shafts, shame they haven't also upgraded the RTR to 6mm shafts as well

[@biltong3470]

best rc vids on yt

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks - there are plenty better than us, but thanks for saying we are the best, really appreciated 👍

[@SteelCityRC]

Great durability test!! Like you said they both had the same usage and punishment. Xmaxx hails as King Basher yet again!! I have both also. The Outcast breaks every usage where the Xmaxx would have drove away.

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks - dont think it can be laid out any other way, also still love our Outcast 8s, but stock it just doesnt bash as well as the Xmaxx

[@benphillips1149]

K6s beats xmaxx 100x.

[@HardcoreRC]

@@benphillips1149 K6 jumps higher true, but again stock K6 would not have survived the slam into the ramp when the jump when wrong, the chassis would have bent, i know as done it a few times with our V4 K6 and 2 EXB Kratons (bent the chassis on all of them). Also what is the relevance of brining the K6 into this ? this is matching up two cars in the same class, both 1/5th scale 8s monster/stunt trucks, K6 vs ERevo 2.0 would be where the K6 would come in. Its a bit like someone doing a real car review of a Lamborghini Urus and you saying but a Lamborghini Huracan is x100 time better - its totally and utterly irrelevant

[@SpeedTherapy407]

Great video!!!! Love my X Maxx and love making videos of it in action!! 👍🏻👍🏻

[@HardcoreRC]

Thank - love our Xmaxx as well, just a great RC all round 👍👍

[@luisyanez939]

That was an epic watch. Enjoyed very much 👏👏👏👍👍👍

[@HardcoreRC]

Glad you enjoyed it - thank you for the watch 👍

[@joseCalderon1976]

Hehe. I have both of these beasts upgraded to big block engines. They are both amazing trucks. The Xmaxx is a bit more forgiving when you land bad. I changed my shock oil to 30wt all around on the Outcast 8s and that helps reduce the shock shafts from bending and the shock rod ends from breaking. It still happens, but less often. But I'm jumping this thing probably 20ft + in the air off my ramps 🤣

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks - Xmaxx is more forgiving, but the O8S just looks same damn nice 😂😂 plan on putting thinner oil in when i put the new M2C shafts in, thanks for the info on the oil weight 👍

[@joseCalderon1976]

@@HardcoreRC I did manage to snap off one of the M2C shock shafts in the rear, but after a lot of abuse, including 15ft concrete jumping over my friend and many more 20ft+ jumps on grass/dirt. 🤣

[@joseCalderon1976]

@@HardcoreRC Also the rear rod ends push themselves in. I just screw in the other side so that it can have the same camber and use the upper hole on the rear hub. No problem after that. But I did bend the actual metal rod later on, but after many many jumps. 🤣

[@HardcoreRC]

@@joseCalderon1976 Thanks - will look into that

[@joseCalderon1976]

@@HardcoreRC After installing K8S rear shocks, K8S EXB links in the front and rear of my Outcast 8s and M2C chassis, those thing is truly a TANK. Check out my for details. Hehe. I also installed aluminum diff cases from Arrma to make the front and rear diffs bullet proof.

[@mikeinvegas1]

Great video. I subbed. Not for just video but love the music tooo!! Hopefully more videos to that great music. Was feeling it!;)

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks and thanks for the Sub, my son jack did this edit, we take it in turns, but he will be very happy you liked his music as well 👍👍

[@HardcoreRC]

You might like this one as well 😂😂 kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5iriYOKasp2f7s

[@mikeinvegas1]

@@HardcoreRC just watched and gave a like. Thank u. Very nice again 😊😊

[@fbiagent3399]

Yah the outcast shock shafts are definitely A massive weak spot.. the reason the xmaxx shocks are lasting is because they are much longer so they have more compression to handle how tall The xmaxx is compared to the outcast... but yah in general outcast is also heavier...If I was to choose from both I would get A xmaxx chassi and put the kraton 8s shell on it with A hobbywing max5 combo, Belt Driven With A Set Of Jims Bearings All Around... Also would change the stock radio because I don't really like the feeling of the Tqi...

[@HardcoreRC]

Issue with the Outcast shocks is the angle they are at to make is handle better, plus they are just too thin for the car, hence why the EXB K8 now has 6mm shafts and M2C are working on 7mm version. Problem with going Max5 combo is the extra weight you would be adding, more weight means more things break easier 👍 But agree the TQI does suck a bit, will likely get round to changing to our Flysky NB4's

[@jaayyboy28]

Congratulations on 2k subs lads 👌

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks - im well shocked - the last video gave us a big boost, but with it the a fair bit of silly hate etc, but always knew it would - Fanboys will be Fanboys 😂😂

[@jaayyboy28]

@@HardcoreRC how can they hate the truth 🤷‍♂️! It was a fair video and you done your upmost to keep it that way......... roll on easing of lockdown 😁

[@HardcoreRC]

@@jaayyboy28 Thanks, we kept it as fair as we possibly could, but some people just cant handle the truth (name the film 😂😂). Just look at some of the comments, this video will likely also have the most thumbs down, next to the other outcast vs xmaxx video we did

[@gregpadden7761]

What a shoot out you guys are Pros, PS play some OZZY for backgroung music he wont care.

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks - would love to play / add some commercial tracks, but then KZbin goes mad and you get copy rights strikes/claims flying around 😥

[@MrtipRC]

Glad I bought the Xmaxx 8s 😇

[@HardcoreRC]

Xmaxx is without doubt the current 1/5th scale bashing king 👍

[@rotax1699]

Great video guys! Keep up the content

[@HardcoreRC]

Thank you and thank you for watching 👍

[@camaroboy383]

Great video guy's.. 😎.. really stepped up the game with this one..👍

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks, i just did the filming, the boys did the driving and Jack did the editing - team effort all round 👍

[@danielnoname8352]

That is why I am waiting for 2021 releases from Arrma and TRX as at the moment there is no as good builds as x-maxx. I love O8S look but durability is still on TRX side. Guys, are You going to repeat this test with fully upgraded Outcast? I am very interesting if that expensive upgrades can bit x-maxx 😁 awesome video Guys, thanks a lot for clarifying my doubts 👍👍👍

[@HardcoreRC]

Will be interesting to see what comes out in 2021, seen some leaked pics of a Kraton 8s EXB, that could be interesting. No plans currently to sink a load of money into the O8S, if we do it will likely be to change it into a hybrid O/K8S. But the O8S does look stunning

[@danielnoname8352]

@@HardcoreRC wow, that souds interesting. Can You explain what are the benefits from adding some (and which) parts from K8S to O8S?

[@HardcoreRC]

@@danielnoname8352 Really waiting to see what the K8 EXB is going to have on it. But the main difference between the K8 and O8 is the chassis length and shock length / travel. O8S has the same size shocks all round, being the rear K8 shocks. So my hybrid would be K8 chassis (Not Arrma 😂😂) with same length shocks all the way round, 800kv motor, then lots of other upgrades, but not ready to sink that sort of money into it currently

[@danielnoname8352]

@@HardcoreRC can not wait for it with similar durability test. I saw today an interesting upgrade, rovan shocks, 10mm thickness, that looks good 😁

[@HardcoreRC]

@@danielnoname8352 Sound similar to the 30 degree north shocks that i believe have 8mm shafts and are as cheap as chips to replace

[@2040RC]

Sorry we have some problems with yt comments: some disappears from our page just after after the notification with no reason so I read only a part of your comment about lipo batteries on our channel! I can only answer here: we use dxf from two years ago so we had many of them and all we said on the video is based on our personal experience.

[@HardcoreRC]

Thats ok - just said i like DXF packs as well for bashing, will be getting more, but wouldn't say they had good punch or lasted that long. For bashing and the price cant go wrong, but for racing, speed running, drag racing and wanting them to last lots of charges - nope deffo not for that

[@2040RC]

@@HardcoreRC we use them only for bashing, but a friend of us is a professional racer and use dxf batteries and he love them!!!

[@HardcoreRC]

@@2040RC He may be being given better packs for racing. As said love them for bashing as they are cheap, but for power and longevity - nope. Did a test for DXF vs real race spec lipo - both 4s LiHv 8,000mah packs - kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4O2nXaIpaqBmZY After just 20 charges and already have cells breaking down with high IR and not holding full charge - im not complaining as also had this happen to much more expensive lipos

[@ryand5665]

Great video guys. Loved the walk of shame lol

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks - still love the silent night track at the end

[@RICHIE_RICH89]

I had my xmaxx for 5 yrs since it came out and broke 0 to date thats no bs 0 broke. Only thing i had happen was a loose pinion gear.

[@HardcoreRC]

Wow, thats some good going, its a tough truck, but have broken a few bits with bad landings. Still love it though as easy and cheap to fix

[@makestuffbetter19]

Great comparison video! You got a new sub from me!

[@HardcoreRC]

Thank you, glad you enjoyed and thank you for the sub 👍

[@maornavon2231]

Outcast shocks are more angled than the xmaxx shocks, so yes, it will allow the xmaxx jump higher, but try to corner with xmaxx at more then 30 mph, then try it with outcast and you will understand the difference in the shock design.

[@HardcoreRC]

Outcast is wider, heaver and lower center of gravity is why it corners better, but im pretty sure the Outcast isnt designed for racing, its supposed to be a stunt truck capable of doing big jumps and back flips etc. Dont get me wrong i still love the O8S, and its the best looking RC we have, but out the box for the price it cant keep up with the Xmaxx for doing what it was built to do - be a stunt truck.

[@HardcoreRC]

Also forgot to add - the Xmaxx didnt jump higher, they jumped the exact same higher being 36 ft

[@maornavon2231]

@@HardcoreRC as you said, the outcast is wider and heavier than the xmaxx, and it’s less flexible due to the aluminum chassis, so no way it can jump as high as xmaxx. If all you want is to jump as high as you can, or drive straightly, definitely go for xmaxx. If you want all around basher which can jump (i don’t think it was meant to jump 34 ft), do nice backflip, and even compete very nicely with any other 1/5 truggy(which xmaxx just cant do) , def go for outcast.

[@jamiesonrc3690]

the music starting at 3:36 is so good!!! so is the entire video :)

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks - Jack chose that track the boys have better taste in music than me 😂😂

[@jamiesonrc3690]

@@HardcoreRC whats it called?

[@HardcoreRC]

@@jamiesonrc3690 Thoughts in my Mind by Swif7

[@jamiesonrc3690]

@@HardcoreRC thank you

[@HardcoreRC]

@@jamiesonrc3690 Your welcome 👍

[@GilboRC]

Great video guys, loving the xmaxx 👍

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks, Xmaxx is just the jumping, skate park bashing big RC king stock out the box

[@ianmoughton8370]

Love your videos guys. I’ve got a Kraton Exb and I smashed the shock rod ends, but can’t find any in stock, can you recommend any others that would fit please?

[@HardcoreRC]

Glad you like our videos. if its just the shock rod end then use these, far better than the stock ones www.modelsport.co.uk/index.php?product_id=371122

[@HardcoreRC]

Yes it stays for Traxxas but they fit the Arrma 6s cars and better than the Arrma ones 😂

[@ianmoughton8370]

Cheers for that Dave, I will get some of them on order. Well I was thinking of buying an Outcast 8s but after watching your video I think I will buy the XMaxx!😉

[@bigfootcustomsuk1284]

Great video as always 👍

[@HardcoreRC]

Glad you enjoyed it 👍

[@ikantspel5535]

Something off with the geometry for the shafts to all be bending like that.

[@HardcoreRC]

It was all stock and no way to change the geometry, but your right the angle is too wide for the thickness of the shafts, hence why the went to 6mm shafts on the EXB but still left the RTR at 5mm shafts

[@bsbigrcadventures2089]

Nice video review bud love both them trucks just subscribed to your channel love Whot your doing I bet you break both um out bashing looks like the same place wear kev films bro 🙏😎

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks for the kind words and subscribing. Outcast doesn't come out much if im honest, to scared to bash it hard and have huge repair bills 😂😂 Xmaxx just takes so much abuse and is cheap to fix. It is one of the locations Kev bashes at yes, do do go out with him on occasions so you likely seen me and the boys in some of his videos

[@bsbigrcadventures2089]

Yer I’ve got the notorious first day out brock it an day 2 3 4 till I upgraded it all now it a beast of a truck 🙏😎

[@paulrakis]

Yeah I guys went alittle too high with the outcast lol. I just got the EXB outcast. So alot thicker shock shaft's. Awesome 👍 I wish I had that kind of skate park near me

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks, whilst same height for each the outcast shocks couldn't take it, glad to see that have gone from 5mm to 6mm shafts on the EXB which will deffo help, although a couple of my mates have bent those as well. Watch out for M2C 7mm versions coming soon hopefully, Outcast 8s is a great truck though and love the EXB body

[@paulrakis]

@@HardcoreRC hell year il definitely get those 7mm from m2c if mine actually bend. I think armma usef better metal for them on the EXB. Other people haven't had any issue yet. Keep up the great videos HC RC 👊👍

[@HardcoreRC]

@@paulrakis The M2C one also come with 7075 shock rod ends. Think bending the EXB ones will come down to how extreme it gets sent, although i do wish Arrma had just gone straight to 7mm themselves. Will try to keep putting out the great videos, thank you 👍

[@bigboytoyzrc9258]

Great video guys!

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it 👍

[@GyuHobbyRC]

Wow !!!! It's a great video. Thank you for sharing great information and great videos. Always be healthy and happy. 😉👍👍👍👍😉

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks Dude, hope you are keeping well 👍👍

[@rcabbotts]

Ace video man subscribed pal

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks for the sub and glad you liked the video 👍

[@Addicted_2RC]

That shock shaft was only slightly bent!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@HardcoreRC]

LOL - almost bent back on itself 😂😂

[@rekozma]

The winner isn't just durability. It's up front cost, maintenance, repair cost, run time, repair time and requirements ( aka parts availability in your regional area). Can you do an update with this comparison please. You could be the first to truly show a winner.

[@HardcoreRC]

Thats an easy one then, Xamxx wins that hands down, upfront cost is about the same, parts are way cheaper and more available for the Xmaxx, and the Xmaxx is way easier to work on, for example break and A Arm and its 3 screws to replace it

[@goon1500ify]

Did the Xmaxx have the stock steering servo in it ? How about the stock center drive shaft ? As well as the stock spur gear ? I ask because I'd really like to get the Xmaxx but I've personally seen to many brand new out of the box trucks break as well as tons of videos after their first jump and not even close to the height of what you guys are doing .

[@HardcoreRC]

The Xmaxx in this video was all stock except for a Max6 ESC (changed from Traxxas as i dont like to use adapters and dont have any lipos with Traxxas connectors, dont like cutting the connectors off any RTR ESC due to then losing the warranty) and the red A arm, which is still s stock A Arm just red (its not an RPM A Arm for example). Even after this video we are still running the stock servo, still on same center drive shaft, although we did bend it at the last BMX video, but then on another jump bent it back 😂😂 All RC's will break if they land bad, but the Xmaxx has had some really hard bad hits and just taken it. in this one it takes some big hits, its also where the A Amr broke, jack said RPM but it wasnt, it was a stock red arm: kzbin.info/www/bejne/faO7aaiLiqiBkM0 Always said i would never own an Xmaxx, but boy was i wrong and now wish we got one way sooner.

[@M2C_Kraton8s]

I can get a $79 rc at Walmart and throw it 46 feet in the air and it prolly won't break because all plastic TOYS are much lighter....the heavier vehicle is experiencing greater forces than the lighter vehicle does not mean that its actually more durable.

[@HardcoreRC]

I can promise you that if you buy a $79 rc car at walmart and throw it in the air 46 ft it will break. The point is Arrma market the Outcast 8s as i quote "OUTRAGEOUS SIZE, OUTRAGEOUS POWER, OUTRAGEOUS TOUGHNESS" "THE BIGGEST STUNT TRUCK BY FAR" "OUTLAST THE COMPETITION WITH THE ARRMA OUTCAST 8S" the last quote is clearly the biggest laugh, cause it sure didnt outlast the Xmaxx None of the landing were bad to cause the Outcast the need to retire. In actual fact both cars hit at a terminal velocity of 14.683 m/s and the Outcast has a kenitic energy of 1185J and the Xmaxx 933.5J so not that great a difference

[@przemekgreszata2810]

@@HardcoreRC so much for an unbiased review after reading this response, I've seen the xmaxx body crack in half on this skate park on a bad landing, i think it was one of your videos too ... big roll eyes, if xmaxx is so great why only 30 days warranty while arrma offers two years? last month I was at a local store and saw someone with an xmaxx what a beast, well turned out to be that both motor and esc failed after two months only, past warranty, with a 900 dollar repair, he was one unhappy customer

[@HardcoreRC]

@@przemekgreszata2810 the Xmaxx you saw crack in half was already broken, oh and that cost a whole £23 to fix 😂😂, our review was unbiased in as much as we didn't care which care came out on top, both were put through the exact same jumps, on the exact same day, both jumped the same height and simple facts are the Outcast couldnt not handle what the Xmaxx did, check out tomorrow video as well, you will see various Xmaxx's taking a serious amount of abuse and then see what happens to the Outcast 8s on one jump. In the UK Traxxas come with 1 year warranty, but length of warranty doesnt equate to a good or bad product, every single one of our Arrma cars the servo has died, i have had to return 6 ESC's, the Notorious for example is on its 3rd ESC after a replacement one died after just 2 runs, Hobbywing only give a 6 month warranty, but their ESC are far better than Spektrum ones that are made by Hobbywing to a lower standard and spec. Not sure were you got a $900 repair for failed motor and esc - new the ESC is only $249 and $161 for the Motor, or buy from Jennys RC for $278 all in for both. Of course best thing he could have done was take the junk ESC out and put a Max6 in 😂😂 Simple fact is that the Outcast can not take the abuse the Xmaxx can, yes it does handle better, and if the stock shocks were not an issue then why did they upgrade them for the EXB ?

[@przemekgreszata2810]

@@HardcoreRC nice prices I'm out of Canada the price was based on 500 usd to cdn plus for service came near to 900, warranty when buying from here is 30 days not one year.

[@przemekgreszata2810]

@@HardcoreRC Arrma's servos aren't that great I know, although I only had to replace it once, I really don't like the spectrums

[@thetoxmedia4807]

you are not friends with kevin talbot are you? to me thats the same skate park as the one he goes to sometimes.

[@HardcoreRC]

It is the same skate park, as you can see on some of our other videos we do meet up sometimes, plus this skate park is just down the road from ARC raceway. Probably the best skate park for sending the cars, certainly what we have found in the South East UK

[@timmytfpv7316]

Absolutly no mercy for the trucks i love it thats how i do it ! Drive break fix repeat 👍

[@HardcoreRC]

Gotta have fun with them, plus couldn't call ourselves Hardcore if we just did silly little jumps 😂

[@seb.9775]

Haha this is gonna be a saucy video , not even started watching yet

[@HardcoreRC]

Its very very saucy 😂😂 hope you enjoyed it

[@szaesz8190]

Nicely done! p.s. Traxxas Plastic is fantastic! 🤣

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks, and yet people still moan saying the Xmaxx is rubbish as its all plastic, I will be honest and once said i would never own an Xmaxx (how wrong was I, and boy am i glad i was wrong and now own one)

[@joem6189]

Xmaxx all the way. But outcast is good but just what I expected the x-maxx is the toughest in my opinion. For the most part xmax Outkast they're both really good

[@HardcoreRC]

To be honest they are both good trucks, but the Xmaxx is just a much better and more durable basher at skate parks etc, Outcast 82 does handle on the ground better though

[@curtishubbard907]

Great video guys

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks - glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching 👍

[@keithmcsorley5271]

Awesome video I have a x maxx and love it great job

[@HardcoreRC]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@gr_racingrc3352]

I was like that skatepark looks familiar doesn’t Kevin bash there then I saw his comment😂

[@HardcoreRC]

Yes Kev does bash here, likely you have seen us in some of his videos as well

[@eCommCEO]

Love it lads well done!

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks - round two will be coming soon, with M2C shock shafts and thinner oil

[@stevensaid2200]

It’s really hard for me to take durability tests to heart, in general I mean. Everyone has a different experience, I’ve only had one shock shaft bend in any of my 3 arrma cars and it was because I hit a telephone pole going nearly max speed. There was much more damage than just the shock shaft lol but point is sometimes people have good experience with cars most online would say are bad and bad experiences with ones most would say are good. I know Rc are expensive but at the end of the day you’ll never know how a car will do under your driving style/skill level until you buy one and drive it yourself. Oh course there is the odd lemon here or there and most manufacturers are great at sending replacements.

[@HardcoreRC]

That is true to a degree, the 6s and 3s cars the shocks are ok, yes we have bent them but under extreme conditions, but for general every day use they are deffo up for the job. The Outcast 8s the shocks were just not up to the job for the size and weight of the car, Arrma knew this as well which is why they made the shafts thicker for the EXB version, but never updated the standard version, all fairly mutt now as the old RTR has now been discontinued. Also would really call this a durability test, just normal heavy bashing, both cars were put through the same jumps, yet all four shafts bent on the Outcast. Thanks for watching

[@stefanobenland5304]

What a video. Awesome.

[@HardcoreRC]

Thanks, glad you liked it 👍

[@cyberneticinterfacemodular3996]

Outcast 8s very heavy compared with 6s version which remains the better outcast.Xmaxx very tough and looks faster in this clip compared with outcast run up???.Mr Brucie 80 percent right.Are they both using 8s lipo in them?.

[@HardcoreRC]

Xmaxx was hitting 43mph on the run up and the outcast 40mph based on the GPS, yes both were running on 8s