Give Me an Answer -

[@trumppower2192]

Cliffe is a very wise man may God bless Him he is a great teacher

[@jeffjacobs1990]

Wow. That guy wasn't willing to admit that he loves his mother (Something with zero scientific basis) more than science because he knew it would prove Cliffe's point. Sad. Absolutely Sad.

[@christiananswers6570]

I'm like ":O"

[@itsmarsh6]

Yeah pretty sad 😟

[@dogelife7901]

The definition of being Intellectually dishonest.

[@eveyjd]

Cause the moment he admit, he'll got no more argument

[@jk.9300]

Oh come tf on. He literally said how much he loves his mom. Cliffe ridiculously asked him whether he valued science or his mother more. An asinine question to begin with. Cliffe looks absolutely crazy. Science is a description of reality, and love is emotion. This is completely incongruent and to imply anyone who values science does NOT value love…. Is beyond ridiculous.

[@charliewonka4691]

hey im from ireland and just want too thank cliff so much for helping me understand the gospels i was going true real dark times , i had lost my hope in this life but after reaching out for God i was shown to cliff when he helped me understand what is going on i asked christ into my heart his love has overcome me giving me peace n new desires too live for him. thought id share

[@TheDemolition2000]

It’s been 3 years, I hope you are doing well. God bless you

[@ericsonbernabe7987]

God Bless you

[@timstinies9519]

Praise the Lord! Thanks for your testimony!

[@georgedoyle7971]

❤️❤️🌟🙏

[@weemodarfield1747]

Thank you for your testimony, praise the Lord!❤️ Hope you're still doing well👍

[@hdfotballpassion5020]

Cliffe is the kindest person ever

[@dperkins01]

How?

[@AWABABDELHADI]

@@dperkins01 by holy ghost .

[@JohnjOcampo]

​@@dperkins01how is he not?

[@ClickThief]

God bless you Cliffe. I am from the UK, I would be blessed by God if one day we could meet, whether we do or not I leave to the Lord. God is using you; you are having a tremendous impact on my faith. I am strengthening and deepening my relationship with Christ through your videos; I understand that not everything any given church teaches I must take as fact but rather I must examine the evidence to see if what any given denomination is claiming to be true is congruent with the new testament teachings. I am currently studying the Protestant reform, trying to understand why the churches split apart. I hope also study Catholicism & Orthodoxy. I myself am a Catholic but only because I was raised as one; once I've looked into St. Thomas Aquinas' summa (Largely where Catholic teaching originates from) I will see if what Aquinas says is congruent with what Paul; and more importantly Jesus teaches. God bless you. I hope to serve God by creating some justice in this world even at a cost to myself. If anyone is reading the comment I hope you have a wonderful day. Please pray for me.

[@georgedoyle7971]

❤️❤️🌟🙏

[@Absolution55]

Great talks Cliffe, you help me understand better. God is great!

[@aaronquinn6626]

Cliff is both warm and kind and also hard and assertive what a combination of traits. God bless him.

[@rudylimas]

I needed this about trust. I'm going through a rough patch of trusting God. I finally put my 2 weeks and cold turkey quitting my job. Idk what to expect. But I'm trusting him. It's what God has been telling me for years now. lol.

[@MoveLegacies]

Hey Rudy, let me tell you that whenever you do God's will and fully trust him yes you may have set back for a while (I've been poor like 3 times) but in the end it will all be worth it (next week my finances change forever). Just trusting God no matter what is the key. To God be all the Glory!

[@jamierefoley862]

Cliff, you have helped me understand my own doubts and struggles and have helped me work through those problems in ways I couldn’t in my own head. I can’t thank you enough! PRAISE JESUS! He deserves all of our praise

[@alexhall8656]

A piece of scripture that helped me with the whole “Bible doesn’t have any scientifically based verses”. In the book of Job God asks where were you when I laid the foundation of the Earth? None of us know how this began bc we were not there like he was. We can hypothesize, but it will always be conjectures because we were not there

[@michaelbrickley2443]

Read Job again and as I recall there are comments from God regarding the wind and what not. There was a good book called Creation by Grant R. Jeffrey using science and scientists words to argue for design

[@mikea2138]

Get em cliff amen

[@bigecoz21]

Have a good night!!! I love it!

Cliffe destroyed that atheist like most atheists who are on their high horse he fell down hard.

[@007Bokser]

😂😂😂👍👍👍

[@hatersgotohell627]

@@007Bokser Except when he debated a real debater like Aron Ra or Matt Dillahunty who pulled Cliffe's pants down.

[@007Bokser]

@@hatersgotohell627 watched both debates, Cliff destoyed them both 🤣🤣🤣

[@christiananswers6570]

@@hatersgotohell627 Actually Cliffe easily won both debates. Because all a man has to do is appeal to logic and reason, or any value _outside of himself,_ and he inadvertently proves the existence of God. The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." Psalms 14:1

[@georgedoyle7971]

@@hatersgotohell627 “Aron ra and Matt Dilahunty” “Pulled Cliffs pants down” That cringe worthy comment speaks for itself!! Equally, it’s beyond ironic that the top atheist apologists such as Matt Dilahunty have no scientific academic qualifications or philosophical academic qualifications. However, Dilahunty is still qualified for evangelical atheism at this level of debate as he works part time as a stage magician!! Dilahuntys debating style is now commonly known as the (Dilahunty dodge) as his intellectually dishonest debating style is as sleight of hand as an expert magician. He’s developed his default position “I’m not convinced” to an art form that would make the best snake oil salesman blush. Equally, Aron Ra has been called out on numerous occasions because of his history revisionism and major mistakes and is very rude and arrogant. He is clearly a person who becomes aggressive and won’t back down even when confronted with clear evidence he is wrong. It was cringe worthy to see them both in the same debating forum as Cliff I couldn’t even watch the debate as they clearly had no integrity and were really aggressive. Similarly, I’ve listened to Dilahunty be verbally very condescending and rude to a child who rang in on his radio program the (atheist experience). It was very cringe worthy to be honest. Dilahunty is also notorious for using rhetorical devices, becoming aggressive if he’s losing a debate to try and gain the rational high ground and appeal to the audience. Nevertheless, it’s comedy gold and is very apt and beyond ironic that Matt Dilahunty is literally a part time magician. The irony is that a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism basically says that nobody took no time to turn nothing into everything a belief that at worst is synonymous with the belief in magic!! and at best it’s synonymous with the belief in myths and miracles!! I don’t need secular myths and secular religion to know what right and wrong is. “Evolution, then, is the creation myth of our age. By telling us our origins it shapes our views of what we are. It influences not just our thought, but our feelings and actions too, in a way which goes far beyond its official function as a biological theory” “Fatalism is now offered, not as just one possible philosophical attitude among others with reasons given for and against it, but as a fact backed by the tremendous authority of science.” (Mary Midgley). Equally, this is not a strawman attack on militant atheism as Mary Midgley is an eminent atheist philosopher. Furthermore, according to the prominent atheist philosopher Michael Ruse “Evolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, a secular religion -- a full-fledged alternative to Christianity.” (Michael Ruse). “The literalists are absolutely right. Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.” (Michael Ruse). It speaks volumes that all these quotes j used are from prominent atheist philosophers complaining about how arrogant, embarrassing and condescending “new atheism” has become.

[@jayfry895]

Amen.

[@ericsonbernabe7987]

Cliffe thank you for making these type of videos and doing this with such passion and honesty I'm very thankful that I found your channel. God Bless you.

[@Themightymoze]

Thank you, Cliff!

[@clevelandstreetpreachers]

To the blonde gentleman. Jesus says "Your faith has saved you." Is faith by works? Is faith by grace? John 3:16 says we just need to believe. But what is that? Well, if I really, really, truly believe Jesus is God and did and said all these things, then I will obey Him. I will fear Him. I will trust Him. Even the devil believes in Jesus. So if we just believe what makes us different than Satan? There are Christians getting their heads chopped off for Christ in the Middle East. If you really believe in Jesus, you would die for Him. Ask yourself, "would I die for Jesus right now?"

[@GraftedOliveBranch]

I would definitely die for the Lord. Not only do i long to be with the Lord in a place without temptation, anger, hatred, etc..etc. but i especially want to depart from this messed up world that brings those things to my life everyday. I cant wait to see the new earth.

[@servantofthelambofgod7879]

@@GraftedOliveBranch I love you brother

[@GraftedOliveBranch]

@@servantofthelambofgod7879 I love you too my brother or sister in Christ. God bless you. Blessings from Australia. May the peace of the risen Lord Jesus be with you always.

[@servantofthelambofgod7879]

@@GraftedOliveBranch I’m your brother 😁. Just pray for me in these times brother. I need strength and focus on Gods Will in my life. Thank you and God bless you in Jesus name 💙😉

[@GraftedOliveBranch]

@@servantofthelambofgod7879 I will keep you in my prayers bro. ✌️

[@steelframer]

Awesome video to start off the new year.

[@cory3829]

LOVE YOU CLIFFE

[@mosesmoise9897]

Thank you sir

[@yaht6172]

This one was a personal favorite 🤣 going to my Playlist.

[@tennis5126]

I understand Cliff frustration. It's hard to have a rational conversation when the other party dodges the question and doesn't speak with honesty or doesn't take the time to listen. The first guy is a great example.

[@michaelinks5013]

How does Cliffe do it? I wouldn't have the patience for these crazy people.

[@zoomkaboom1]

Haha, yeah same here. But that is the Holy Spirit at work. He gives us patience and love for these crazy atheist folks who think they know it all.

[@bonnie43uk]

As an atheist, I certainly would not claim I know it all, I know next to nothing, I wouldn't even say for definite that there is no God, I am highly doubtful, but who knows.

[@dorgonreborn4108]

bonnie43uk Well if God is loving it would logically follow that he’s left you evidence that he exists... maybe it’s time to actually put some effort into figuring out if the evidence is strong enough... let’s be real if heaven exists the way the bible describes then only a liar would claim they don’t want to be there after we pass from this place... maybe look into some NDE’s as well... for atheists it’s very hard to break the bias barrier when it comes to the supernatural and consciousness existing verifiably outside of the body upon clinical death is a good step to start with... if the evidence supports the claim then it’s obviously wiser to follow the trail as opposed to putting a road block up in the quest for knowledge... the only thing keeping anyone from the truth is their own laziness, biases and pride 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@wingondemand]

Please give the bearded guy a girlfriend..and let him have a relationship with her in a scientific way...

[@JohnjOcampo]

​@@Jhart44i don't know about all that chief.

[@diversityhobbit]

Cliffe at his best!!

[@diffgeo23]

some how he always answers my queries at the end

[@randall21ism]

diffgeo23 lol I know right

[@jamiesmith4293]

3:31 paraphrasing "When you're a God and claim what's true, you have to have the authority back it up." I totally get what he's saying because I'd love for God to make it easier to verify his existence and that _what_ he says is so, and _that_ it is so. But he's placing his own requirements onto God when it doesn't work that way. If it did, I would make God do lots of things for me and many of those things would be evil to others. It's a good thing God doesn't follow my requirements, as much as I'd like him to. Unfortunately, it also means I have to struggle with God.

[@MrURBETTA]

Knowing and having faith are two different things. God said he left enough evidence of his existence. He wants us to have faith, He wants us to believe in Him. Once you trust in Him, fully, once you are connected, your faith turns into knowledge. In order to show trust you must turn from sin. If it's too hard use his words, use his knowledge because his thoughts are above our thoughts. God bless your journey

[@ebs6286]

I like that mostache guy. He listening very carefully. 😇

[@TrueChristian]

You want prophecy. Ok. Go to the book of Daniel. He tells us about a dream. In the dream was a statue. The head was gold, chest was silver. Waste was brass. Legs of iron. The feet of iron and clay. This dream was during the time of Babylon. Daniel said God showed him this was a prophecy of the coming kingdoms. It litterelly played it through history to show God told us exactly who would be the most dominant and conquering nation through time. The gold head represents Babylon because they were a nation of gold. The chest of silver was medo Persia who was known for their silver and they ended up conquering Babylon. The waist of bronze was Greece. Alexander the great and Greece conquered Persia and did so with an army wielding weapons of bronze. The legs were iron, Rome was known as the iron army and they conquered Greece using their iron weapons. The feet of iron and clay is the end. No one conquered Rome, Rome ended up dividing itself into 10 tribes (3 of which no longer exist) those 10 tribes became what we know that as Europe. The clay infused represents Christianity because clay in the Bible is used to represent followers of God/Jesus. When Rome divided it divided into half pagan half Christian nations. Iron and clay. Tell me how a guy in the time of Babylon around 600-550 BC predicted that? There's your verifiable Bible prophecy.

[@i.am.thom777]

He crushed that first guy.

[@bboyradubboyradu-mn4rz]

Cliffe you are the best teacher in this flat earth!

[@MegaNerd117]

No. It was and is Jesus Christ.

[@GraftedOliveBranch]

Are you serious?... please dont tell me you're one of those flat earth people. 😒

[@clarkkent5433]

Ephesians 2 8-9 It starts with putting your trust and faith in Jesus and you will soon see the transformation going from a sinful life to a life where you now recognise sin … the gift of the Holy Spirit will abide in you and finally you will conquer sin that’s when you realise you are saved … stay in pray on a daily basis that helps

[@JazzAUPH]

The problem with this kid is that he had come up with a standard (very subjective) of what a God should be.

[@danielgilbert7366]

I cliffe mate your a champ😁.

[@InfoArtistJKatTheGoodInfoCafe]

One of Cliffe's best. Wait, wait, wait...BOOM!

[@mysteryman6503]

That first guy is incredibly arrogant, ignorant and annoying.

[@jayfry895]

Amen a year later.

[@eveyjd]

Because of human ability of freewill, even God (Jesus) came down from heaven, human still rejected Him.

[@ikawpipa]

5:05 - "... in today's standards of historical verification.. we don't have any body left. " me - isn't that the meaning of resurrection?

[@scottjech]

Good stuff!

[@codeblood2000]

Isn't it so very interesting how some people put science on a pedestal when that very science is being used to destroy the very planet we live on

[@johnnyappleseed5029]

Neck-beard better do some scientific research on nursing wounded pride and a spanked bottom.

[@edenlifeonearth]

May I suggest the first man to check out the Shroud of Turin? To date there is no scientist who can explain the origin of the image, how the image came to be. I'm sure though if Cliff suggested that, the man would have said well it's not 'verified'. When even scientists can't verify a miracle because the supernatural CANNOT BE VERIFIED, what else would this man demand to believe in the resurrection?

[@christiananswers6570]

Shroud of Turin still has Jesus' dried blood from nearly 2,000 years ago, and they have tested it to show the blood only has a single X chromosome with no trace of a Y (father) chromosome. This affirms Jesus' virgin birth, and his Father is God, just like the Bible says. But dishonest men deny this fact, because they suppress the Truth in unrighteousness and their Love for sin.

[@georgedoyle7971]

The shroud still remains an enigma for those who have desperately tried to prove it fake because of their philosophical presuppositions. Equally, it speaks volumes that the imaging expert Barrie Schwartz who was part of the original team who gained access to the shroud and took samples for chemical analysis and carbon dating confirms this fact. There is a website you can access on line with updates on the current status of the Turin shroud. It speaks volumes that an hardened atheist such as Barrie who was the photographic imaging expert for the shroud stated that the scientific data on the shroud demonstrates no evidence of it being fake. And it’s fascinating that it has taken a former sceptic and former atheist to bring the truth regarding the scientific facts to light due to them being suppressed because of conspiracy theories, pseudo science, politics and the lack of integrity of the media etc. It takes a former sceptic and former atheist who over two decades has gradually completely rejected atheism for theism but is still currently agnostic about who Jesus actually was. In contrast somebody finds a crushed fragment of a fossil on a beach and it’s portrayed in the media as earth-shaking historical evidence and we’re supposed to believe on faith that it provides an accurate and detailed account of what happened millions and millions of years ago. The shroud only goes back 2000 years and has not been proven a fake. Despite the weight of scientific evidence sceptics still refuse to accept the hypothesis that has the greatest explanatory power and is the most coherent and parsimonious hypothesis. 2000 years later hundreds of millions of people are still having life-changing spiritual experiences and it’s all put down to wishful thinking and upbringing (Genetic Fallacies). Eye witness accounts from only 2000 years ago are painstakingly documented and tens of thousands of copies of parchment are discovered and preserved. Some of which can be traced to within 20 to 70 years of the originals but this is considered by sceptics to be less reliable than secular accounts including a crushed fragment of a fossil millions of years old because the hundreds of documented eyewitnesses believed what they saw with their own eyes. A perfect example of the (Special Pleading Fallacy). The irony is that if politics is a good reason to dismiss the Bible as historical evidence this totally wipes out all of history including secular history. Nevertheless, the fact is that no secular historian of antiquity would claim that Jesus was not an historical character and yet surveys demonstrated that 40% of people in the United Kingdom believed that he never existed. This speaks volumes regarding politics and the power of propaganda in the media.

[@cynthiahample7793]

The first guy wanted "bodily evidence of Christ's resurrection, but he conveniently ascended into heaven". Talk about setting the bar so high you never have to believe in God simply because you want to be your own god.

[@jesussaves2131]

Mama loves you lol

[@D1sc0rd-]

Cliffe said yo mama and left 😂

[@blaby4ever]

GET RECKT!!!!!!!

[@thomaslorfils9613]

I'm talking about your mama lol 😂

[@Aquines]

Talking about falling on your scientific sword, so sad the guy hope he sees the light

[@TreenighetMaranata]

Jesus both disarmed and absorbed the grip of original sin which manifests itself in the personal sins of mankind, which in turn otherwise hold us in guilt and shame! The nature of sin still exists as long as we exist in our temporary bodies, but it does not have the last word for those who repent and confess Jesus as their Lord and Savior! Those who become renewed creations in Him receive as a gift His righteousness completely undeserved! Romans 10: 9,10 / John 14:6 / John 11:25 ✝🙏❤🤗😃

[@brosephgilmore8418]

BLUE SHIRT TALKS AND TALKS AND TALKS

[@greatfox232]

one quick answer. Job, God ask Job about the seas under the seas. Google under ocean lakes.....

[@michaelbrickley2443]

I wonder if this child ever looked back on this and realized the fatal flaw in his argument. If we had a body, no resurrection.

[@edienx9210]

first 🙌2017

[@clownworld1472]

This kid is a perfect example of how the devil works the mind of young people. So sad, that his heart is stone cold.

[@dperkins01]

What devil have you seen him? wow you guys drank all the kool aid.

[@JohnjOcampo]

​@@dperkins01you believe you came from monkeys and fishes, you also believe you become fertilizer because you have no soul. Talk about lunacy..

[@jk.9300]

You’re so indoctrinated it’s nuts

[@georgemessenger7567]

Grace by definition is not cheap it's free, it's the absence of works Romans 11.6

[@bonnie43uk]

Good video. Cliffe makes an interesting point about how God will judge people fairly and justly. There has always been an issue regarding people of non Christian faiths, Hindu's, Sikh's, Muslims etc, obviously these people haven't accepted Christ as their savior, and obviously millions of these people have led similar lives to many Christians in that they work hard, look after their children ,and are honest and kind. Yet, because they have been immersed in a totally different culture, surely that shouldn't exclude them from heaven. In which case it kind of begs the question, what does it matter what you believe?, so long as you live a good honest life.

[@j2mfp78]

bonnie43uk Who defines "good"?

[@bonnie43uk]

j2mfp78 Hi j2, yes, with something like good and bad/ right and wrong, we are all raised up by our parents to know the difference between good and bad... it's a learned behavior that is formed during our early years, and it's honed and refined as we get older. Obviously there are regional/cultural differences around the globe, but in essence, we all pretty much know the basics. So I would say society defines it, and we are all part of society. It's not something that is set in stone as i see it. Our attitudes can and do change over the years.

[@will95515]

bonnie43uk you can judge by the 10 commandments. You break one of those laws then you're a guilty criminal and you will be sentenced to an eternity in God's prison

[@j2mfp78]

bonnie43uk What society gets to define it & why?

[@bonnie43uk]

avilesw Hi avilesw, well, i think there is a lot wrong with those 10 commandments if you actually take a bit of time to go through them. Lets take one example which relates to my original comment. "Thou shalt have no other God's but me" If you actually believe that, then God is condemning billions upon billions of human beings to, as you say, eternity in Gods prison, if that commandment is actually true, then all Hindu's, Sikh's, Muslim's or whatever are condemned to 'God's prison' for eternity no matter whether have led good honest lives.Billions of people around the world have no say as to what faith they will follow, when you are born, you generally adopt the faith of your parents, especially if you happen to be born in a poor uneducated region of the world. Of course people can and do change religions as they get older, but in many cases they don't.

[@PrinceSolomon82]

Cliffe very like Todd Friel of Wretched Radio.

[@davey2236]

Caaninites were of a nephilim decent, not a pure human blood line. Non redemptive. Jesus didn't die and rise again for Nephilim.

[@rickyderby]

Exactlyyyyyy!!!

[@Chirhopher]

"CHRISTless eternity"!? There is no such thing. if i make my bed in sheol, behold, YOU are there. And Rev. has all the people in hell, and the smoke of their eternal torment in the presence of The LAMB and the Holy Angels! It is HIS Glorious Grace though; we wish to be with HIM in The HOUSEHOLD.

[@christiananswers6570]

God fuels the flames of Hell.

[@Joshokitty]

Isn't Cliffe also Protestant in the sense that he doesn't associate with the Catholic Church? Idk I felt as though he was putting down the Protestant church.

[@godislove363]

Christ comes before any denomination or church or religion.

[@servantofthelambofgod7879]

@@godislove363 thank you brother

[@esther.revival9054]

Even if protestants are non biblical then it doesnt matter theirs sects. Christ is centre of out faith.

[@swamislocal1]

I'm glad that kid has a good relationship with his mom. Because if he didn't, cliff would've been in deep water. Bad tactic making personal assumptions when debating someone. Strike two was ending the conversation by interrupting him. Not his finest moment.

[@cynthiahample7793]

Agree, there were other ways he could have dismantled the guys objections...I frequently think that about Cliff and that he complicates issues more often than not. Still give him credit for what he does though.

[@georgedoyle7971]

To be honest I didn’t think it was a “bad tactic” because this idea that the “natural sciences” can explain away all of reality reducing even morals and ethics and our families and children to nothing more than biological and chemical robots and just brain chemicals has historically lead to totalitarian regimes and genocide. According to the Auschwitz survivor Viktor Frankl who was a psychiatrist and scientist (and survivor of two Nazi death camps) those who prefer to value humanity as nothing more than biological and chemical robots and determined machines (free will deniers) are a danger to our families and our children. Equally, in Frankl's classic book, (The Doctor and the Soul) he highlights this serious problem because… “When we present man as an automaton of reflexes, as a mind-machine, as a bundle of instincts, as a pawn of drives and reactions, ... we feed the nihilism to which modern man is, in any case, prone. I became acquainted with the last stage of that corruption in my second concentration camp, Auschwitz. The gas chambers of Auschwitz the ultimate consequence of the theory that man is nothing but the product of heredity and environment--or, as the Nazis liked to say, "Blood and Soil." I am absolutely convinced that the gas chambers of Auschwitz, Treblinka, and Maidanek were ultimately prepared not in some ministry or other in Berlin, but rather at the desks and lecture halls of nihilistic scientists and philosophers."- (Victor Frankl).

[@TreenighetMaranata]

Copy and paste! ----> Do You See What I See?

[@JamesRichardWiley]

An eternal Cosmos or an eternal god? An eternal Cosmos does not require a Creator.

[@JohnjOcampo]

The Bing bang suggests that the universe had a beginning does it not?

[@Malhaloc]

It also goes against everything we currently know about the universe.

[@thepeej5]

Cliffe tells people who they are too much. He was losing, so he turned into a baby.

[@jamesgrosso4372]

Did this young man ever read Genesis 1? Took man 3000 years to find out the earth had a begining. Sad.

[@mygiftmatters]

?

[@dperkins01]

Cliffe just shouts him down and says argument closed that was bs. Yet comments favor one side. Cliffe gets destroyed by adults he debates and cant just shout them down.

[@dperkins01]

Wise how thats just an empty assertion.

[@JohnjOcampo]

​@@dperkins01 we don't have time for intellectually dishonest people, had to think about if he loved his mom or not because his love for science was getting in the way of answering the simplest of questions.

[@jgvtc559]

Cyrus the great was called by name hundreds of years before his birth boom blueshoes

[@jgvtc559]

150 years my bad

[@Legatecarmine]

The bible has different guides to salvation, and the reason why that is because of the people those books are written to in that time period in history. You have to understand that we rightly divide the bible. In today we go by the pauline epistles( romans - philemon). We read and learn from the bible but we are saved in today by faith in christ alone and not by works, because by works no one is saved(galatians 2:16). So i dont exactly agree with cliff here. You can know when youre saved

[@rinzler9171]

The Shroud of Turin is compelling evidence.

[@InfoArtistJKatTheGoodInfoCafe]

Yes it is. And I was up-close-and-personal with the Shroud of Turin when I visited it in 1990.

[@fishjj76]

Of a medieval forgery. Yes.

[@JohnjOcampo]

​@@fishjj76false and that is why when you present evidence to a heathen they either get upset or run away. No amount of proof will ever convince the hardened heart, which is why they would rather kill Jesus than to accept God as their lord, it's all about you.

[@fishjj76]

@@JohnjOcampo Every bit of testing done on the shroud suggests it is a medieval forgery. No testing dates this artefact to anywhere near the first century.

[@fishjj76]

He dodges the first question because there is no good evidence for the existence of Jesus or the resurrection.

[@Malhaloc]

He didn't dodge the question. The guy was asking for scientific evidence of historical events. Please scientifically prove that George Washington was the first president of the US. You can't because it's not a scientific question.

[@MeaganWheatley]

Cliffe it's ridiculous that the creator of the universe wants us to believe an extra ordinary story without giving convincing universal evidence. If your god was real and wanted us to believe we wouldn't need Cliffe to make up excuses .

[@MattapanUniversity]

The first guy is very intellectual

[@GraftedOliveBranch]

Intellectually dishonest. 🤣

[@JohnjOcampo]

😂

[@paulioakimidis7202]

Scientifically verifiable predictions in the Bible? Easy, the universe had a beginning Genesis 1.1 and the expanding universe Psalm 104. There are many more go to Reasons.org

[@derrickcarson]

I was thinking the same thing about Genesis 1:1

[@hatersgotohell627]

@@derrickcarson Wait a second, so you believe in Genesis? Ever since science has come about with evolution and human genome research, christians have lined up in droves to say they think Genesis is poetry. Do you seriously believe the earth is only 5 to 10,000 years old, and Adam and Eve were the first humans? There was a whole flood on the earth and Noah transported millions of today's species of animals? Genesis is one thing both atheists and modern day Christians can both agree upon.

[@derrickcarson]

​@@hatersgotohell627 "Wait a second, so you believe in Genesis?" I don't believe IN Genesis. I believe in Jesus. "Ever since science has come about with evolution and human genome research, christians have lined up in droves to say they think Genesis is poetry. Do you seriously believe the earth is only 5 to 10,000 years old, and Adam and Eve were the first humans?" I believe in micro evolution or adaptation but not macro evolution. There was no life and then out of nowhere a cell sized organism somehow appeared???? Then after millions of years the cell sized organism became a fishlike creature. Millions of years later the fishlike creature committed Kamikaze millions of times until it could walk on land and the fishlike creature became a froglike creature...Froglike became lizardlike. Then all of the sudden lizard climbs a tree and jumps off of it a million times until grew wings. I could go on about how the lizardlike became monkeylike, but I think you get my drift. It's takes more faith then I have in Jesus to believe that nothing created something or that one animal complete morphed into another completely different animal. "Do you seriously believe the earth is only 5 to 10,000 years old, and Adam and Eve were the first humans?" I don't know but I believe in God and I believe that God created the universe and if He can create a universe, I'm not too worried about how long it took Him to do it.

[@hatersgotohell627]

@@derrickcarson so you dont believe in genesis. Do you also deny that noah built a boat so large as to hold millions of the species we have today. The gospels directly write and trace Joseph's origins generation after generation back to Adam. Clearly it says it started with adam

[@derrickcarson]

@@hatersgotohell627 If Jesus taught from the old testament, I rock with Jesus.

[@all4fitz]

A child could identify the awkwardly placed boldness in Cliffe's tone while he desperately tries to get an edge over someone before he sounds even more like a fool.

[@InfoArtistJKatTheGoodInfoCafe]

Your jealous is showing. And yes, I agree you are childish.

[@JohnjOcampo]

Man-child got his feelings hurt because we raise our voice.. toughen up a bit more.

[@joelm6780]

I’m sorry to break it to everyone, but in a court of law cliffe lost. The evidence is on the science side.

[@a45williams]

You're being just like the 1st person, you didn't get Cliffe's point a view, you don't get science from love and relationships.

[@hatersgotohell627]

@@a45williams Technically social science studies behaviors like love and relationships. Empirical evidence isn't the only way but what is another way to show it, 2,000 year old manuscripts that we don't even have, is not enough to validate miracles Jesus did or rising from the dead. Fine you can have that he existed, got crucified but those extraordinary claims (rising from the dead or doing miracles) need a bit more evidence of any kind. Has there been any miracle work in the modern age that has shown supernatural powers exist is a huge non scientific evidence. Where is it? It's fine don't use the scientific method to show evidence, that's okay but what else can you show me? Atheism does not claim there is no god. It simply doesn't believe the claim, such as if someone told me that the tooth fairy is real and to prove to them it isn't. I'd just say I don't believe.

[@christiananswers6570]

@@hatersgotohell627 This godless generation worship science over Love for their own mothers. Probably the saddest most pathetic and selfish men to be born since the flood of Noah. Woe unto you sinner. Woe. You will assuredly account for your evil. God is not mocked.

[@georgedoyle7971]

@@hatersgotohell627 “Tooth fairy” Awww how quaint the “Tooth fairy” argument versus the belief in the fundamental nature of mind and consciousness/theism/deism/panentheism. The tooth fairy is my favourite with Dwayne Johnson in lead role. This is nothing more than an (appeal to ridicule fallacy and the Stone Fallacy), including rhetoric, a straw man argument and an ad hominem. If only you could have been around during the time of Michelle Besso, Francis Bacon, John Henslow, Dostoyevsky, Kepler, Newton, Thomas Aquinas, Anselmo d’Aosta, Miguel de Cervantes, Charles Dickens, Shakespeare, Augustine, Kant, Einstein, Descartes and Spinoza etc you could have saved them all from their misguided belief in mind and consciousness/theism/deism/panentheism with your Earth shattering “Tooth Fairy” argument. Evidence that a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism is true please not (Appeal to to Ridicule Fallacies)!! I’ll wait!!

[@georgedoyle7971]

@@hatersgotohell627 “Atheism does not claim there is no God” Ho the irony!! And your point is? Sorry but just stating your agnostic position is a non sequitur because it does not logically follow that this “proves” anything. It’s comedy gold that atheists believe that if you just keep repetitively claiming agnosticism (lack of belief) it will deliver an Earth shattering defeater for faith. This is hilarious and is a special pleading fallacy and question begging fallacy of the highest degree!! When are relativists, nihilists including atheists, materialists and philosophical naturalists going to understand that under (relativism) we are all on equal footing at the very least. This is your world view not mine!! This is hilarious and is comedy gold !! Because the belief in the fundamental nature of mind and consciousness/theism/deism/panentheism are just default positions and they are just a (lack of belief) in relativism, atheism and determinism until materialists, atheists or philosophical naturalists can “prove” that “nothing” magically created everything and that “matter” is all there is to reality and existence, not mind and consciousness or both. It’s just a (lack of belief) in atheism/relativism, nihilism, fatalism, solipsism, anti realism and moral subjectivism.There’s no extra burden of proof. (Militant Atheism/relativism, materialism, philosophical naturalism): “the belief that there was nothing, and nothing didn’t really mean nothing as there was no such thing as meaning, and then nothing much happened to nothing except nothing and then nothing suddenly magically exploded for no reason, creating everything, and then a bunch of everything suddenly magically rearranged itself -- for no reason whatsoever -- into self replicating bits which then turned into something that meant everything. But it didn’t really mean everything or anything as everything is meaningless.” (Atheism) Yeah perfectly “sane” and makes perfect sense!! About as much sense as your (Appeal to Agnosticism Fallacy) and magical unicorn argument. And they mock other people’s beliefs!! I rest my case!!