Asmongold Watches Clips From Mark Kern (Old Classic WoW Developer) Talk About The Return of Classic

#Asmongold #MarkKern #ClassicWoW
Hope you guys enjoyed this video, its very refreshing to see an old dev feel the same way
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[@bh-0330]

Wow its crazy, its almost like Mark Kearn actually deeply cared about the game he was helping to develop.

[@wyattgavin264]

He wasn't just a dev. He was THE Team Lead. He was in control of the entire shape of Vanilla WoW.

[@Evision5]

He also had a hand in Starcraft and Diablo.

[@GamePlayMetal]

Also, without him, Wow would have been cancelled.

[@fade9004]

@K D and i loved every second of it.

[@gavinmagness9009]

Wyatt Gavin *A team lead, wow was made by several teams. Mark's just a gloryhound who wants people to think the game wouldn't exist without him.

[@scottyoungblood9661]

Lol

[@anasameer]

The guy in the clips was a genius straight up

[@TitusAndromadon]

Mark kern, he's developing a game now called em8er(ember). Looks fantastic.

[@jakep5451]

Probably because he was the lead producer for classic wow, he knows what he’s talking about

[@richardpower6516]

He was fired from his own game www.techinasia.com/firefall-mark-kern-sacked-the9-story

[@GalacticKush]

@@richardpower6516 The Chinese investors wanted a WoW clone, he didn't. The game did really well after they "fired" him, right? Oh... uh yea, no. Oops.

[@TankHunter678]

@@richardpower6516 Investors are people who want easy consistent money. A new ideas project like what Firefall was, was something that would not guarantee money. Which is why they took over the project and tried to turn it into WoW with guns. However Mark Kern was against that which is why they had to get rid of him. After they got rid of him the game went downhill and was shut down as it collapsed in on itself like so many other attempts at replicating WoW.

[@sparkoceanic]

The way Mark talks is as beautifully crafted as the original game.

[@johnnymfbravo7163]

Totally want the slower, harder, more immersive experience. I want cooking, fishing & first aid to actually mean something. I want to farm for a blacksmithing pattern because there may be a piece that I really need in smithing. I want to fight with the other faction over a mining node because we both NEED that node. Hard (but not impossible) is the formula to use. Hard is fun. Easy is boring.

[@brjoey]

@@mcmario001 Last time I tried BDO, it had many of the same problems I have with BFA; overly-flashy fighting and animations, facerolling through fights, not even know why I was doing quests because everything was just randomly marked on my map, RNG based gear progression, a cash shop... I dunno, I just couldn't get into it :/

[@roargathor]

Yeah, don't forget to cast "breathing" or your character will die. Fucking hell..

[@edmundblackadder2741]

Blizz should pay a lot and get the vanilla team back working on the next expansion

[@DP-fq7iy]

No one wants to join a sinking ship, especially one attached to Activision. Hell, Blizzard just laid off a shit load of employees.

[@luciuscoal]

@@DP-fq7iy I think that activision Blizzard could possibly have a bounce back year. Their stocks are currently sitting at $40 down from roughly 80 just a year ago. Goldman Sachs are still in buy mode for Activision Blizzard and I think they see the writing on the wall. WoW Classic and the New Call of Duty are going to be a big success.

[@prisonerofthehighway1059]

Danny Richie - activision doesn’t want new WoW expansions. They want their own version of EA’s fifa ultimate team. That’s why we got Classic. It’s why regardless of what they claim, Classic Burning Crusade and Classic Wrath of the Lich King are already on the drawing board. If they can get five million old players back, that’s almost a billion dollars a year and all it costs is the electricity bills for the servers. Honestly, I’m fine with that. A couple years in vanilla, transfer to BC for a couple more and copy to Wrath. Then do it all over again.

[@gscgold]

Usually back in burning Crusade most people's first experience with the Fel Reaver was not you saw it first it basically stepped on you because that damn thing for some reason can sneak right up on you and you had no chance to run

[@chrisgreenwood8188]

The noise it made was creepy af lol

[@gscgold]

@@chrisgreenwood8188 yep...and that's what I heard right before it stepped on me my first time in HP...my guild laughed like crazy because they didn't tell me about it and was waiting for me to get stepped on.

[@chrisgreenwood8188]

No better feeling in wow than going through the dark portal for the first time into hfp

[@emikochan13]

Turn your sound on

[@JetBen555]

omg this is so true... you feel the ground shaking and then you hear the fucking noise MIIIIERRRRHHH and then you'd turn your camera around like wtf is th..... OH SHIT RUNNNN. Ahaha but its already too late, you're dead.

[@darkchiron]

I like how he mentions the game design principles of Classic WoW opposed to retail are things like "sense of accomplishment" and "rewarding gameplay".

[@stranger6822]

I think retail still aims for those things, but that they don't know how. They think a good game is one where people are constantly engaged and are always progressing. But that's not what makes a game fun. There's this principle of balance, that you can't have reward without punishment, can't have excitement without boredom, and you can't have accomplishment without failure. Classic WoW was full of punishment, failure, and slow or even boring segments. Over time, new devs came in and took out everything that they perceived as slow, too hard, or punishing. They thought they were making things better. I think that's where the "you think you do, but you don't" comment came from. That developer knew how slow, punishing, and imbalanced WoW used to be. But the "bad" parts are what make the good parts great. You can't have light without dark. Winning over and over again effortlessly doesn't feel good. We don't even like that in our hero movies. No, you want to struggle up a hill and just barely reach the top. That's the kind of experience you remember.

[@CottidaeSEA]

@@stranger6822 For the most part, Classic was just a grind that sucked energy out of you. I think that's part of what made it great. The problem with it is that it takes so much time to do things, but I tried playing on a private server a while back, and even though I had limited time to play, I could go out and do a few quests, then turn off the game and be extremely satisfied. I didn't get any shiny loot from most of the quests, and even if I did, chances were that it was either not for my class, was worse than what I had, or was just garbage in general. However, the steady progression was fun and enjoyable, because I got to explore vast lands and see loads of neat places. While retail sure is nice looking and has loads of things to do, there's really no rest in-between activities. That to me is actually somewhat of a downside. The reason being that you either get overloaded with things to do, or when you actually do get a short rest, you become impatient since you've come to expect being overloaded with things to do that it's kind of startling. A few things I would like to have changed with Classic that likely won't happen: 1. Better gear. Some of the stats on the items are just horrible, and the Spirit stat is pretty much useless. Just a general improvement of the truly awful items and leaving the good items as is. At least try to give each item a purpose other than vendor junk of high rarity. 2. More xp from quests. Not in general, but those really epic quests that you have to go on that give you 5k xp while you could do a kill 10 bears quest and get the same if not more xp, that just doesn't feel good. More effort = better rewards. That's the general principle. Make people actually want to go on those epic journeys that the quests lead them to do instead of abandoning them because it's not worth it. 3. Improve underperforming classes. Affliction Warlock and Shadow Priest are useless due to the debuff limit, not because they are bad. They'd be high contenders on the damage charts. Hunters are similar, but not nearly as severe. Still, when you're not even allowed to use Serpent Sting to boost your dps, that's REALLY bad for your rotation. Like, your rotation basically becomes Arcane Shot. So this change would have to adjust the debuff limit, but also tune the damage of DoT-related classes/specs in order to not make them overperform as a result. I think all of these changes are both feasible and reasonable, but I don't think they'll ever happen. I also don't think they are necessary, but I think it would be a general improvement, as they actually did most of these things in Burning Crusade, which a lot of people think is the best expansion, and most agree that it was a good expansion. The quest xp change is the one thing that they haven't done, but I think that's mostly "can't be bothered" rather than a bad idea. They have somewhat dealt with the issue by compacting the area where you do the quest and streamlining it, but I think that goes against the purpose of what I think my suggested change wants to achieve. I want people to be rewarded for their adventures, not delivering a letter from one NPC to another one 10 yards away.

[@stranger6822]

@@CottidaeSEA I agree with a lot of what you said. I do want to say that, regarding time required to get anything done, classic WoW was easy compared to EverQuest. The devs set out to create a more casual version of EverQuest, and they succeeded. People nowadays think it took forever to get anything done in classic, but the question is forever in comparison to what? I think classic WoW was the ideal balance of time investment versus reward. You didn't have to play every day, and you could get things done in half an hour. But the time it took to level was long enough that it was a reward to get to the end, but not so long that you got burnt out.

[@CottidaeSEA]

@@stranger6822 Yeah, people tend to not understand their progress if it's not a measurable value and don't appreciate it as much.

[@dangernoodle2868]

I remember being on reddit when Mark Kern was doing his stunt with his printout and all of /r/wow was saying he was just looking for attention and he didnt know what he was talking about. Kern obviously knows something everyone else has forgotten.

[@MatziUndSo]

yes i was so mad that ppl called him the attention whore. i really hope the actual classic team has a close eye to what kern says. hes the best

Reddit is full of mindless pricks

[@aaronrauschhuber3483]

The dude should write a book

[@Lornext]

What a shame that they didnt get the card game in vanilla, it would have been insanely good!

[@Imbasnap]

Could've been hearthstone back then.

[@Mecanotech]

Let's ask for it for 1.13 patch. Pog

[@jakep5451]

Especially the idea of playing against other people at a table in an inn! I love this idea. I quit current wow for ff14 because I wanted something different, and the Triple Triad card game which they have is a good example of how well card games can work in MMOs

[@Metallicjoe]

they can implement hearthstone, but it should be only the classic cards :d

[@zacharycrater2588]

@@Imbasnap Heartstone was made from his idea actually. Just zero credit. Lol

[@user-hs1zz9sx2e]

I was playing EQ in my college days, this video made me so nostalgic 😭 Thanks man, for bringing back good old memory hahaha

[@jakewright1932]

What if BFA is the end. N'Zoth wins, Chromie sends us back in time for a re-do, Blizzcon 2019 announces 9.0 and plays the BC/new 2.0 cinematic instead.

[@vegetarianmeat]

lowkey genius

[@islandboiitsi]

@Clark Kent fuck off. I hate replaying content I want new expansions new story not fucking copy pasta bullshit

[@jakewright1932]

@@islandboiitsi Why not both?

[@PyroEmbrace]

Clips miss so much context. After the emerald dream he explained the ups and downs of having such a potential distraction. When he talked about expansions for classic content, he further explained the continued use of assets but establishing core values that maintain the game integrity. EDIT: Strongly encourage people to watch Mark's VODs. He does play pretty poorly (has a hard time talking and playing), but his commentary is amazing.

[@charlescronister6326]

I started playing in the end of Wrath, about 5-6 months before the Cataclysm, & I miss the three talent system and how learning skills actually felt rewarding. I can’t wait to try out Classic.

[@kolter45]

Charles Cronister you’ll love it!!

[@Roflstab]

The concept of an in-game card game like Gwent sounds great.

[@Roflstab]

@Vincent Klasener As did I.

[@businesscatlimbo]

I hope, if they don't transition to BC servers after Classic, that they expand on Classic by adding content they cut or thought about back in 2004-2007 and prior.

[@ekuipment72]

i don't care if they go to BC but i'd really want the itemization and class designs, best they ever were imo.

[@islandboiitsi]

Exactly! Kahazhan Crypts anyone? the infrastructure is already made just throw a few bosses in there and some assets and BOOM new raid.

[@NightmarezInc]

It's unlikely they'll push to bc servers any time in the next 10 years. it's more or less possible they'll hire an older dev team to produce new content on the era of classic, mark kern might actually be rehired in that team itself. As for the emerald dreamscape, i doubt it'll be used.

[@3lit3gn0m3]

I loved TBC, but I think the world pre-TBC is a lot more meaningful. Expanding upon vanilla makes it so all vanilla content stays relevant, and I think that's fine; people don't need to max out everything on ALL their alts. Makes me remember all those serious complaints in MoP where people complained they didn't have time to do dailies on ALL 10 of their alts. I thought they were trolling at first, but they were serious. The mentality of current retail players has been formed over a very long time, and I'd like to cut that growth before it consumes the beautiful vanilla flower. Give the flower some more petals, but let it stay as a flower....

[@Unf0rget]

Sure is a lot more fun navigating zones that arent crowded to the brim with monsters. Stuff like legion made me miss flying simply because the density was such a headache whenever you werent out long enough to justify using a saddle upgrade.

[@TheRozeDragon]

Flying in any zone was a good thing, it made the world feel bigger and there was more to explore then just what you could get to on the ground

[@Glovvox]

Man this guy has his finger on the pulse of what made wow exceptional. Is he still working on the classic game?

[@MoDeLonge]

unfortunately he doesn't anymore. he left a while ago (I think even before tbc) and started to work on his own game.

[@evoknz]

@@MoDeLonge Whats his game ?

[@milo20060]

"A while ago" LULW

[@black_ccks6286]

@Eternal Flow you really don't want to know. Trust me.

[@ahkira1041]

Firefall, lol. It was a complete mess, that game got remade each patch, and could never truly decide on a progression. It wasn't all bad, but it really wasn't great. Mark may know what makes a game good but it's not like he has all the right ideas all the time.

[@yaelhennekes7201]

About the Emerald dream stuff, they should do the questing area when you are dead thing in the shadowlands, Maybe that's what is going to happen with the whole death themed story we have now with sylvanas bwonsamdi and the entity that whispers tot vol'jin,

[@stewpottv6622]

A dev saying everything a lot of players want for classic, that's a great sign.

[@cloudwolf3972]

hes not WoW dev anymore, he isn't in Blizzard anymore.

[@stewpottv6622]

@@cloudwolf3972 I know, sad that these people arent rehired for classic

[@kuzz1191]

bro that cardgame system sounds amazing, they should work on that for classic wow

[@Golemoid]

coul be in retail too, it's jus a good idea in general

[@willynebula6193]

So hopefully without tearing a hole in the space time continuum and destroying the universe with this comment... you kinda have this already in retail with pet battles. Just saying. But the card game and playing at an inn does sound like a cool idea.

[@griggins]

Mark Kern says everything I feel and more.

[@DEUS_VULT_INFIDEL]

lvl 40 neckbeards get a free mount. It's a mobility scooter.

[@ntall123]

I would love to see an xpack for classic at some point, but ONLY if they can figure out how to do it without trivializing any part of the world, or pre existing content. That means, to play xpack content, players still need to progress thru the base game, raids and all. Anything less would trivialize previously obtained gear, just like before. The only thing replacing a t4 gear should be t5. Not greens from new zone start quests.

[@grillbe]

that idea about ingame cardgames is fucking genius. imagine waiting for that slow ass tank to finally show up or waiting for the boat or whatever, and you can just whip out a deck of cards and play hearthstone ingame.

[@Sw3nssoN]

I would LOVE for classic to eventually get its own content path

[@FrankDawg69]

when did he stream this?

[@Skravla]

Transmog should be a feature in every game. Just replayed AC : Odyssey and that is one fucking awesome feature

[@Glundberg84]

The feature with the cards game is an idea they may have got from Might and Magic 8 back in 2000. In this game there was a quest to play a card game named Arcomage in all the taverns. Lots of fun! :) For those who have not played the Might and Magic 7 or 8, but f.exp love Heroes of Might and Magic 3, you are in for a treat and should give it a go! :D

[@rubow8584]

we need a petition to make him lead of wow development

[@derekking6183]

I would love to see something coming from the caverns of time after Naxx that alters the time line somehow to lead classic into new content

[@michixlol]

This is amazing. Simply amazing. This man has the spirit. For the part with the no updated graphics, I like the old graphics more. They don't seem ugly to me, but more realistic. The are more flat, where real structures are rather flat, too. They are not so strangely bulky like the graphics in Retail. And they are not so overdone, not so much flashy things, but more realistic and less chaotic lighting of spells. And the original graphics always seem more detailed to me than the updated ones. Even if it is just the pixels I see there, in my brain from far away they become details. The new graphics have those surfaces, for example a tree, which seem to be just.. a surface. Like a painted object, but without detail. And the worst are the new character models. While the old ones looked so different in the faces, the new ones all seem to look practically all the same. Every person from every race looks nearly the same. With the old models they all looked so much different from each other. And as a last point, graphics up to Mists of Pandaria I liked very much. To me, they had this detailed touch up to MoP. Since WoD though, the graphics appear to have become simpler. Even if you look at the updated human buildings from WoD, they are clearly not as complex as their old versions were. The mage tower is a good example, which is so great in its original form. The updated version was SO boring. And to think of the the small computer power you need with the old graphics... that made so much more atmosphere, that seem so much more complex and well thought through to me... I don't want this bulky, overlighted, flashy, uniformed look of the game. They could have done really great things with the graphics, but to me they ruined it since WoD. Everything was fine to me up to MoP. And furthermore up to MoP areas seemed so far and wide and huge. Since the WoD graphics everything seems to be so ... narrow and small. I just don't like it.

[@berkayperin2813]

streaming with Mark Kern is actually a great idea.

[@valkir293]

You could even make an expansion where the emerald dream, when you die, is like a parallel version occurring simultaneously with the 'alive' world. So there is effectively two separate games existing in the same space, with new quests, items, same dungeons different bosses and events. That would be fucking incredible. Basically if you die, you could choose to stay dead.

[@yinyatto9911]

its how connected they feel thats different, the old guard just knows what we want without even having to ask. Thats because they are us

[@blake7285]

The card game idea would be so amazing.

[@exile1583]

I would actually be more happy than you can possibly imagine if they added the card game...

[@phantompower]

5:00 - 5:11 Pantheon Rise Of The Fallen will fill this niche.

[@Donivar]

In those videos he's addressing everything that made me quit Wow during the cataclysm expansion.

[@proplaygn5043]

emerald dream blew, my , mind

[@tubetrollin]

Holy shit, can you imagine running around the world collecting hearthstone cards from mobs in wow? That would have been so fucking awesome!

[@LewReviews]

Yeah I remember back in the day trying for months and months in bwl and mc then even longer in aq40 and we never fully clear nax like now you can get max level do some world quest maybe fee dungeons you of lfr see all the raids maybe If you feel like it do them nor am and heroic but it can be done in about 2 weeks

[@MrSkme]

The problem with instant gratification is that you get tired of it really quickly and its insane that these gigantic game studios don't understand this when even i can.

[@HonakoGreen]

Totally game for post Naxx content.

[@Chopstorm.]

I'm pretty torn on it, but the longer I think about it the more I want post naxx content. The only question is, what would it be?

[@ryanross6884]

@@Chopstorm. Could be a few different things. Something I think would be really cool would be turning Karazhan into a vanilla raid, not TBC karazhan but Classic karazhan. They also could have done something with Hyjal, again not cata but classic hyjal, same thing for Hellfire Peninsula. I'm not sure if you've watched Hayven games but he showed what that zoned looked like in Vanilla and blizzard definitely had plans for it. I guess those are just a few things but there are so many crazy options and I seriously hope blizzard does the OSRS approach and we get Classic wow for many years to come and not TBC because we've already had it

[@Chopstorm.]

@@ryanross6884 I think a lot of people want a bc server, and why not? Classic is getting one. I wouldnt complain if it ended up transitioning over. Even if it followed the same patch cycle, that would still give me years of play time before it hit late cata when I started to become disillusioned with the game. Yeah, I've actually been to those areas. Not sure who the guy you mention is, but you could get to it through deadmines. Theres a lot of areas like that. Blizzard doesnt like completely scrapping content, so they just tuck it away where players cant reach. What I wouldnt mind seeing is something to do with the original concept map. The dragon isles sound pretty awesome, or the northern islands. Alternative versions of kara or hyjal would be cool too, although it would be pretty hard to top BC kara. Maybe a crypts specific portion?

[@robkrieg8301]

@@Chopstorm. azshara bg that's basically old av so we can have both experiences in game, mount hyjal stuff, medivh stuff, there are a lot of possibilities. Just make sure the rewards are on the same level as what's already in gane just different optimization or whatever. Make sure no content is irrelevant. Keep people out in the world.

[@islandboiitsi]

@@Chopstorm. Kahazhan Crypts, The infrastructure is already made just throw a few bosses in there and some assets and BOOM new raid.

[@Pirocharm]

First ideea it is like in Dungeon & Dragons board game, with emerald dream

[@oriahknorr4688]

Mark Kern to return as the God Ash of classic? We can only dream...

[@troyjohnson7154]

OSRS has a voting system that has worked really well for major content patches. Maybe dont implement the voting system completely, but bring out the voting for expansions. So the player base can vote for when something should come out. Then Blizzard could potentially show a few options that they could pursue and we all vote on that.

[@troyjohnson7154]

@Salterino Kripperino Look at how OSRS is progressing, look at how many fucking people play that game. Even after they added expansions, and I dont mean expansions as in literal expansions. But like, content added on. Not increasing the level cap, but more raids, content, zones... etc...

[@Luffyrlfriend]

the real challenge will be WoW classis (2005 for me) vs Wife (2011)...

[@ExclusivelyReclusive1]

its a reason why people think vanilla wow is nostalgic, because it was better. Its the the developer said. In Vanilla you are immersed in a world, in BFA you're just walking trough it. In vanilla you really needed to play alot to get gear, now its so damn easy and not time consuming. I remembered going into MC on my druid and finally get the druid set bracers and my freaking heart was pounding. Now its like whatever.

[@felixjonsson4471]

Make this man the boss

[@Christophersaurus]

Holy monetization batman

[@Paskaloth]

6:10 those damn things... *kills boar in Hellfire* phew! That about does it *screen starts to shake* Oh no... *looks back to see the Fel Reaver right behind me* Oh god! How does that fucking thing keep sneaking up on me! *gets stepped on*

[@Mecanotech]

This is good 1.13 material

[@Davivd2]

It's sad that we used to wait in anticipation for the next expansion because we were excited about what was to come. Now we dread expansions because we are wondering how much worse things are going to get.

[@dizzeeg7528]

At the end of classic if they decide to move on to BC it should be a server transfer to get there allowing casuals as long as they want to clear a vanilla server !

[@noidea664]

Dont u think copying ur char over to bc would be better then a transfer? Then u could still do classic and bc

[@bradennotbrendan]

11:00 Nostalrius? The private server that blizzard issues a cease and desist for? Is he saying the nost devs helped out blizzard or that blizzard just used data from the server to fill in their gaps?

[@GhostOfTazio]

I want Kern to help design post Naxx content.

[@shadstewart9253]

I was saying "You Dirty Casuals" since mid Wotlk knowing the game was dieing as a MMORPG opting more and more as a cash shop/tablet based daily 30 min grind game.

[@Ellcoupit]

damn, give these old devs control again

[@Evirthewarrior]

Post naxx content, that makes other specs viable, you do not even have to increase the power gains, just make other specs viable, prot paladins with proper itemization, ele shamans that actually can cast for more than 30 seconds, ECT

[@Chopstorm.]

Proper itemization is tricky. We've been down that road. It leads to pruning of stats (healing power, armor pen, expertise, hit rating, etc) in order to make classes fit better. It also is much easier to make classes viable if you just make them all similar, like what mop and wod did. I think a better question is, why do we need every spec to be viable? How exactly do you define "viable"? Ferals werent considered viable in vanilla for most of recent history. I'm not saying that it's not something that should be strived for, but simply that it's a tricky problem that can just as easily break what makes the game good as "fix" it.

[@Ghork1]

Daoc did pve and pvp right in most ways, they build it synergising with each other pvp giving extra abilities working for poth pvp and pve, and pve giving gear. Instead of wow turning it into 2 seperate gear paths, instead of them complementing each other

[@user-vy9kg5bg4u]

If I saw asmondgolds name multiple times on a tiny 500man server I would change servers.

[@thizlam4810]

*finally gets to 60* *sees asmongold and a huge group* *DELETE*

[@mattbluh6903]

Mark Kern literally has the solution for blizzard with Hearthstone now

[@DoubleUppp]

yeah imagine playing hs inside wow, would have been great

[@RVA_Aus]

Using in game gold for boosters and selling spares/ decks on AH

[@eddie1181]

@@RVA_Aus or buying boosters and cards off the store for money :D

[@Fourstar97]

dude way too many commercials

[@Fismajster101]

I think the issue today is that the game is being developed by businessmen instead of gamers. Guys like this (Mark) were gamers at heart. What I mean by that is that when they went home from work they'd play magic the gathering and other games... so when they developed a GAME, they could give themselves feedback on what's good about the game and what's bad ( like saying pvp is not fun). I think that today's developers are probably lacking that sort of insight and they rely on our feedback (which is an indication that they don't know what's wrong with their own game). Hence why I think they're not really gamers themselves.

[@server1ok]

Mark Kern is wrong about the PVP not being centered in the launch of Vanilla. Vanilla has the best open World PVP of any MMORPG in the history of video games, with interesting group dynamics, the rock paper scissor "class setup", pre-programmed for massive encounters ( rather than small arena games ) and a respawn time that guarantees that you can track down most classes that killed your character or you can choose to take a durability hit and flee from the zone. PVE encounters can always be balanced around this initial state of PVP. PVE is a cake to create since PVE is nothing but a grind to git gud for PVP since you need PVP for everything in the World on an early Vanilla PVP server, which was what most people played on during Vanilla. PVE was secondary and it will always be secondary. Simply check why 100 % of private servers die shorty after AQ. It's not because the PVE grind is over but it's because the PVE grind ( to git gud for PVP ) becomes so long that rerolling ( with instant PVP fun ) becomes preferable to the vast majority of players. Same thing happens in the Beta and shows that ( because PVP is the key in Vanilla ) most people can have A LOT of fun in the Vanilla World even at level 30 or with just a fraction of the ( intended ) content. PVP in Vanilla is EVERYTHING. The players are 99 % of the game and this fact was always going to be hard ( or impossible ) to monetize.

[@fluffydumpling5825]

Hearthstone but inside WoW sounds great :D

[@amedaius8492]

12:00 SO GROUP UP! lol.

[@crowmaster9652]

11:00 Obviously nostalrius met with blizzard

[@Drawin-Circles]

Imagine having a card game in WoW Classic that would be awesome and I have to say that I like the idea of post Naxx content. It would be like a new WoW in some sort.

[@DeMonDog68]

Agreed. I think the best part about Classic is the general design philosophy of everything...not just the content. Post Naxx content ideally would just be extra stuff the team could have fun and get creative with while still maintaining the philosophy of the game that everyone is clearly enjoying. The philosophy changes with each expansion, less so with BC, but there were plenty of differences, so maintaining the original would be amazing

[@Drawin-Circles]

@@DeMonDog68 Exactly what I think. If they keep things the way Classic is designed then new content would be highly appreciated :D

[@zickbone]

post naxx the emerald dream should leak and engulf the world creating an alternative universe they can fuck around with and try to stay true to the core concepts of vanilla while adding more content w/o having to try and make a vanilla version of wotlk/cata/panda and so on. making classic it's own thing.

[@Kakerate2]

3:45 I've been saying this forever lol. I'd love to see the ourage from TRUE VANILLA fans.

[@prisonerofthehighway1059]

Activision doesn’t want new WoW expansions. They want their own version of EA’s fifa ultimate team. That’s why we got Classic. It’s why regardless of what they claim, Classic Burning Crusade and Classic Wrath of the Lich King are already on the drawing board. If they can get five million old players back, that’s almost a billion dollars a year and all it costs is the electricity bills for the servers. Honestly, I’m fine with that. A couple years in vanilla, transfer to BC for a couple more and copy to Wrath. Then do it all over again.

[@gelipterzg]

today's new gen players (read kids) want insta gratification. more mature players who were around want the painful investment

[@motorfreak7653]

what if you die in spirit mode?

[@motorfreak7653]

Sounds good. But stv is known for that 🤣 fun if your the geared 60, but not if ur the loser hehe

[@jankydisplay]

Gotta hand it to Mark. He may actually be solely responsible for encouraging Blizzard just enough for the possibility of Classic. Not sure it would of happened without him reaching out.

[@slickysan]

Do you know the sad fuking part? All the time in Clasic, like all the way through the end of vanilla i cried like a bici for flying mounts, for auto-queues and shit like that, stuff that ultimately brought the game to a level of unbelievable stupid. Now i`d give anything to play classic again.

[@arohk4415]

So he complains he doesn't get any imps for his quest but doesn't make a group ?,

[@dartbrider]

If Blizz decides to go down the road where they release Classic expansions, I think BFA wont be anymore or it will become something like a side-thing to do while playing classic. Classic has all the potential to become the flagship game for Bliz

[@hunterkiller9991]

@@mcmario001 Just like BFA did?

[@bakedcity857]

dude bfa will be long gone if and when they decide to make classic expansions, it would probably take 2-3 years for naxx to come out chill

[@ryantwomey3463]

Once i get max lvl on a toon idgaf i just want to get to where i'm going when i am lvling its fine but once i'm max lvl i could give two fucks less

[@fleagaunag]

It confuses me why more people aren't drawing inspiration and ideas from OSRS, despite it being the ONLY successful subscription legacy game ever.

[@vertego5816]

Wrong. Everquest has legacy option servers that start from the beginning and gradually advance through the expansions. Very successful too. Its been the only reason the company can keep the servers up actually. What Classic wow is doing has been done with other games.

[@fleagaunag]

@@vertego5816 As stated by the dev in the clip, classic needs to stay true to classic. If they just keep re-releasing expansions, they'll eventually end up right where they started. New, original content for classic is what will make it a long term success. Exactly what OSRS has been doing.

[@vertego5816]

@@fleagaunag I dont understand what you are disagreeing with. You said OSRS is the only successful subscription based legacy game. You are wrong and I cited Everquest as my argument. I said nothing about about wow needed to implement new original content beyond Naxx. I didnt give an opinion on that at all.

[@Tyzen7]

Love how everyone who "OMEGALUL's" at retail is actually playing retail themselves Fucking amazing how tone deaf his chat is

[@absolutsolo2763]

Expansion for classic WoW where you can collect hearthstone cards.

[@cameronb8503]

I would probably trust 1.12 content that Omar was in charge of. That guy has a boner for classic principles, and keeping with what it means to be classic.

[@ptcj3805]

omar-worshippers are pathetic

[@HyperKryst]

I HAVE ASMONGOLD CLIPS ALL OVER MY RECOMMENDATIONS PLS HELP

[@visraider3992]

There's like four or five people that get all of their KZbin comment from Asmongold, and KZbin can't tell when someone has uploaded the same vods or clips as what you've already seen.

[@MrZiljon]

I would love to have a version of hearthstone to be playable ingame while playing wow and collecting cards as drops would be so much fun. Hearthstone is so much fun but the businesses model sadly ruined the game..

[@beaniethecorgioverlord6061]

This was uploaded fast.

[@Isidore22]

No it wasn't. Ok, yea it was...

[@mcmario001]

@@Isidore22 Hard work.

[@michaeld8280]

Look how they massacred my boy...........

[@DP-fq7iy]

He’s made some mistakes, Firefall being the main one, but he’s an amazing dev and cares a lot about WoW. Unfortunately, he’s shit on a lot these days because of the dumpster fire that politics and social media create with opinions that don’t mesh with the mainstream. Also; FFXIV does the split pvp abilities thing. It’s terrible. They also used a similar idea while integrating Triple Triad from eight.

[@TankHunter678]

The FFXIV PvP and PvE split was for the betterment of the game. A lot of games fall apart when you try balance PvE and PvP together. PvE players get upset when they get nerfed for PvP reasons and it causes them to get booted from raid teams because their class is too weak now. PvP players get upset when they have to grind the highest difficulty raids every week just to get the gear to even compete with each other in PvP. Even in Firefall during the closed beta they tried to balance PvP and PvE together. So as soon as a Recon got a purple grade sniper rifle they were one shotting everyone since the majority of players were in white gear. To make matters worse they did not even have to go for headshots. They could run around shotgunning people with the sniper rifle and OHKing them. The purple grade sniper rifle was balanced for PvE enemy health pools so it had to be nerfed for PvP. However that just helped cement that the Recon frame was only good for PvP and the least used frame in PvE.

[@Jaysin2JR]

World of Warcraft reboot pog

[@erikhendrickson59]

Basically everything this guy talked about are amongst the CORE design principles of "Pantheon." What's more, the game was funded by a small handful of "angel investors" who understand this. It's being designed specifically for this niche audience of players and is not beholden to the greedy whims of any large publisher. How well will the game turn out? Only time will tell but I remain cautiously optimistic (the development progress they've made over the last 12 months is quite significant)

[@islandboiitsi]

Kahazhan Crypts anyone? The scrapped raid, The infrastructure is already made just throw a few bosses in there and some assets and BOOM new raid bois easy.

[@Evi19th]

Didn't he watch this just few hour ago. wtf

[@mcmario001]

Ye wtf so -CrAzy!!! How can someone record and upload this in a couple hours? CRaZyyyy!!! Its so much HARD WORK in so few hours!!!!!

[@grimmow187]

now we just need classic runescape

[@thizlam4810]

OSRS?

[@eddie1181]

@@thizlam4810 no classic :p

[@aloisfumery1964]

Get that guy back Bli²......

[@faithnomoar]

Watch blizzard make an LFR naxx in Classic......

[@MultiGeorge101]

I have played mage since burning crusade and used teleports and portals since then, well, when I play a mage in classic, I won't use them myself.

[@CritKhan]

You are only lying to yourself.

[@matt.oconnor]

I would take Mark Kern post Naxx content, noone else's.