'Aspiring Incel' Murders Instagram Quasi-Celebrity After Rejection | Bianca Devins Case Analysis

[@maiaallman4635]

"He planned on being offended". Describes so many people.

[@esteemedmortal5917]

As if you’re obligated to go through with it instead of setting a boundary 🙄

[@jacobhope6164]

Indeed 😂

[@Caden32105]

Yeah most people are pathetic and miserable to even interact with.

[@jacobhope6164]

@@Caden32105 dang bro, that sounds like a lonely and bleak perspective to have. I hope you get a handle on that soon, and start telling yourself a more hopeful and helpful story.

[@kiwidiesel]

I plan on being offened by your comment😂

[@sadiestoltzfus9798]

Living your life online doesn't sound healthy for your mental health.

[@_droid]

Spending time online *AT ALL* is bad for your mental health when you lack critical thinking skills (which is most people).

[@Carebearritual]

Neither is watching videos about murder online

[@skycloud4802]

​@@Carebearritualseems like murder crime videos could also save a lot of lives too though. I've learnt a lot of red flags that predate the crime. I feel I know what to look out for.

[@Caden32105]

There's plenty of things people do in their day to day routine that are terrible for their mental health, but none of us change things cause we're all mindless slaves waiting on our next dopamine fix.

[@Caden32105]

​@@_droidjust like how most people in this world are liars and users

[@thelatelatelatelateshow]

The phrase “aspiring incel” makes me immediately start speculating on what COULD have happened in a case LIKE this

[@DakotaTuttle-k3x]

Classic joke I see EVERY SINGLE EPISODE

[@thelatelatelatelateshow]

@@DakotaTuttle-k3x it’s a meme I look forward to with nearly every upload, I decided this week was my turn

[@Banshee.Vision]

Priceless😂

[@lostsoul1278]

My theory, opinion is that you can not come up with a original comment

[@mick7even]

It’s all you can do really

[@JE4-1]

It's a BIG red flag when you tell someone that you only see them as a friend and they continue to call you their girlfriend. It's safe to end the friendship if that happens.

[@k_a_bizzle]

Or… not safe. That’s the problem.

[@ASlightlyTwistedFemale]

@@k_a_bizzleexactly

[@daddy4967]

Their entire relationship was a red flag. You can’t tell someone you only want them as a friend, but treat them as a partner in exchange for food, gifts, and substances.

[@gregevans6044]

Great point

[@sanepillow59]

It's also a red flag when someone keeps around a "friend" that they know that is in love with them because they want free rides, validation, etc

[@missconstrued4695]

"what gets lost is how a woman with BPD is vulnerable to getting harmed" 🙌🏻 thank you

[@acmartialarts2227]

Right because those grown women only want to be seen as helpless

[@tuoctran43]

@@acmartialarts2227 Your lack of education is deafening.

[@The_Not_So_Great_Cornholio]

​@@acmartialarts2227 don't worry, you are correct. They are just borderlines doing borderline stuff.

[@femhera]

​@@acmartialarts2227 except bianca was not a grown woman, she was 17.

[@evanstential]

You would have to take away their agency to protect them. Something their personality would not allow 🤷‍♂️

[@johnmike121]

I had an incel friend once. He said he had severe PTSD from girls not talking to him, lives with his mom at 34

[@SCH292]

Men Go Their Own Way(MGTOW) community are full of incel.

[@mystiquesquared]

I have the opposite problem. Must be the women. 😂

[@Swansong321]

"A boys best friend is his mother"...

[@ang_ro]

yikes 😬

[@monicadefreitas8776]

@@Swansong321 Norman Bates in “Psycho”.

[@angelagreen3642]

"High level of creepiness". This is definitely an accurate description. Great analysis Dr. Grande.

[@ronnie_5150]

"Was trying to demonstrate that an inmate can maintain great dental hygiene and stab people at the same time." And referring to Incels as a "Community" 🤣🤣🤣 Once again, Dr. Todd does not disappoint.

[@sweettea527]

There's no reason to settle for just one or the other 😂

[@maryfrancesbeckerhaggerty5353]

I started cracking up! The dryness and sarcasm are legend!😂😂

[@LoneWulf278]

He’s really so funny. 😂

[@visstorm]

The what community?

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

@@visstorm. Involuntarily Celibates = INCELS

[@Traderjoe]

Honestly everyone, I quit social media 3 years ago and my life is much, much better. I sleep better. I don’t have contact with people who try to exploit me. I am saving a lot of money and my life is more fulfilling. Yes there’s a downside, like actual family who miss your updates on your life. But you can work around that.

[@Relayzy1]

Yeah like calling them, or god forbid seeing them in person...

[@fisherj5087]

But you’re on KZbin?

[@ermmoore2161]

@@fisherj5087 gottem kekw

[@jordanheimer774]

And commenting on a very social platform? See. I found you. Now you're in trouble! 😂

[@the.h.is.silent]

Yall know what she means lol.

[@ceilconstante640]

I'm glad I grew up in a time before SM and got together with friends on the weekends to go dancing or listen to live music.

[@loiskondo8349]

When I was younger I wanted exciting things to happen, now I know excitement is highly overrated. Thank you Dr. Grande for the information about BPD!😊

[@NoNonsense316]

I just love the dry, deadpan, humor you inject into these videos. Sad case. Thanks for covering it.

[@AnonymousQwerty]

“Aspiring incel” - Jesus, that’s probably the most brutal insult I’ve ever heard lmao

[@KelleyTheAdvocate]

😂😂

[@jacobhope6164]

🤣🔥

[@sarahjaye4117]

It was in his very future plans

[@ns4725]

Don't use the Lord's name in vain

[@jacobhope6164]

@@ns4725 according to Jesus himself, what is the greatest commandment? Seems like you may have forgotten, or perhaps you haven't made it to the New Testament yet.

[@mattblom3990]

I had a friend with diagnosed BPD. What I found strange was her boyfriend, whom I met several times, clearly fit the criteria of a dangerous and grandiose narcissist. We lost contact due to me calling him out and him sending me, no joke, 30 minutes straight of profanity filled text messages about myself being "ungrateful" that he had invited me into his social group. But what was most fascinating was my friend said she couldn't quit him: she believed he was her "special person" and she would endure any and all abuse to be with him. Most horrifying to me, she would use her BPD diagnosis as an excuse to endure him. The explanation provided her the reason and she actually found security in that.

[@reneegardner2286]

It's common for us Borderlines to have our abuser also be our "Favorite Person". I'm in the same exact situation.

[@Sanakudou]

Unfortunately people with BPD are the perfect victims for Narcissists and frequently end up in relationships with them (tenfold if the person with BPD had a Narcissist parent), people with BPD are especially vulnerable to a Narcissist’s manipulation tactics due to their distorted perception of self worth and high responsiveness to love bombing. From the outside looking in, people with BPD will come across completely irrational because they self sabotage constantly, they can have a healthy/loving relationship opportunity and will refuse to take it because they don’t believe themselves deserving of it, instead they’ll intentionally choose abusive partners that treat them in accordance to how little worth they perceive themselves to be (which in and of itself is a passive form of self harm). For friends, it’s especially frustrating as no amount of you telling them they deserve better ever manages to convince them otherwise. Your friend using her BPD to explain enduring his abuse could be a manifestation of her distorted self perception, tho it could also be something the Narcissist was intentionally grooming her to believe and her distorted self perception made her completely receptive to it. The message you received from the Narcissist telling you to be “grateful” to him is a good insight into the manipulative reframing he would’ve been using on your friend with BPD. People with BPD unfortunately create self fulfilling prophecies, they fear abandonment above all else but their own choices and behaviour put their friends in situations that force them to leave for their own mental health and/or physical safety. It’s unfortunate for your friend they stayed in that relationship but you definitely did all you could and cutting contact was essential for your own well-being, that Narcissist would’ve gone out of his way to make your life living hell for daring to oppose him like that.

[@cheetah6881]

@@Sanakudou Very good CIA work here, Sir - hats off.

[@mbbuckets4509]

@@reneegardner2286 Y'all get what you deserve in my opinion. Bad people that are irresponsible to make decisions getting with other bad people, is a win win situation for us normal people that aren't as obnoxious as you people are.

[@jooloomcgoo]

@@reneegardner2286I’m sorry but the ‘fp’ nonsense that is so popular with young people is so toxic. Just saying FP and taking it seriously is beyond confusing to me. FWIW I’m an adult and maybe this is a youth thing I just don’t understand. The terminology is so infantile and childish that it just doesn’t deserve credibility. Yes the cycle of abuse is real and so is trauma bonding but why turn something so difficult into little silly wording like FP UWU 🙄 I’ve been diagnosed BPD for over 20 years and never heard anyone say FP who wasn’t an attention seeking narcissistic child.

[@SebastianSkadisson]

Never measure yourself by your lovers and relationships. Like everything in life most of these are fleeting. Rather measure yourself by the quality of your life and the quality of life you bring to others. True joy.

[@holidayarmadillo8653]

lol you never know when a Dr Grande upload is coming, but you know it’s coming soon. This man’s upload schedule is more impressive than a 19 year old ticky tocky superstar 👏👏👏

[@martineldritch]

Thanks for mentioning the dangers women with BPD can face

[@WackadoodleMalarkey]

The true man wants two things: danger and play. For that reason he wants woman, as the most dangerous plaything. Freidrich Neitzsche

[@dredknots]

I was diagnosed at 48years old. Never heard of it before but once I was diagnosed and learnt about it..I started having flashbacks of the different instances my life was in danger over the years, im so lucky🙏🏽

[@HereWashThis]

The dangers women with BPD face? I think we should be more concerned about the danger they pose to others, don’t you think?

[@nikitamoore7357]

you’re going to hell

[@finiwattam3525]

@@HereWashThisPeople with mental illness are more likely to be victims of crime genius

[@somehaloguy9372]

As someone whose actually seen the picture he took of her after... He deserves 25 years in solitary confinement

[@eadweard.]

What does seeing the picture have to do with what his sentence should be?

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

@@eadweard.. They show juries such pictures, so they can witness the brutality of a crime. I assume that’s what OP was talking about.

[@somehaloguy9372]

@@sciencenotstigma9534 the fact that he took said pictures himself and posted them everywhere for notoriety is another aggravating factor to consider

[@wendyleeconnelly2939]

@@eadweard. how bad the damage is impacts one's perception of how depraved it is which impacts one's perception of how much they should be punished.

[@conorfitzmaurice8959]

A horrid case took place here yesturday. A Young woman was walking home from her work, down a main street in a city with her friend. There was a few people walking in front of the girls, one of them started shouting a few insults to a couple of lads across the street. The girl asked him to stop so he turned around and punched her out, he told socal media, two to take her down and two to knock her out . It was decided because he pleaded guilty he was only entitled to get a 3 year suspended sentence as it might effect his army career. So in Ireland a man's reputation is far more in need of protection that a woman who was knocked unconscious has lost her job due to the need of medical care and mental health who also had to waver her rights face this man in a court room again to hear this ! Love this country.

[@sarahjaye4117]

Wow 😞

[@lunix3259]

I wonder where the "if this was a man" incels go

[@lindalund9621]

In Norway 3 grown men took a drunk young woman to a cabin and raped Her. Even cab driver said she was very very drunk. They said she wanted the sex. They got no sentence. A couple of years later the girl made some fb stories on this and also told their names …. Hell broke loose. She got problems with the police - poor men got outed - many shared names . Adresses. Pictures. 2 of the men had small children. Women never wins. 😒😒😒😔

[@animula6908]

You posted this on a video about a girl beheaded? No sense of perspective in Ireland I guess. Posting here makes it sound so trivial.

[@thelocalmaladroit8873]

“a high level of creepiness “ is an understatement.

[@fiddlefordmcgucket3485]

I was unfortunate to stumble across the photos he posted of her body when this all happened on instagram and it haunts me to this day. I can’t help but cry every time I see that poor girl’s face.

[@spOOkytimes]

I'm glad that NY signed in a law to criminalize sharing that stuff with malicious intent.

[@suicidal_donuts6191]

Oh yeah I remember seeing it too when it got reposted on Twitter and seeing everyone freak out. Thankfully it got taken down within a couple hours but I can still picture those photos in my mind years later. Poor Bianca.

[@DaniL-hr9xo]

"Sorry blankers" may be my new go-to

[@NieceyWeesey]

Loooooooool I shouldn't laugh

[@belstar1128]

Sorry blankers but you are not allowed to swear on youtube anymore

[@jacobhope6164]

Bro... Every time I think about your comment I have to chuckle a little to myself. 😀

[@no_mnom]

It may have been "biancers" because it is implied they were fans of her specifically

[@comonena]

Not english speaker, what does implies?

[@nancyjensen6409]

I’ve been told that my very beautiful great granddaughter has been diagnosed with BPD. It appears to be true as she picks the wrong kind of guy to go with. The father of her daughter was the best of her relationships and she lied so much that she ruined it. The child’s daddy comes to take her for their weekends and is very much a part of her life. I wish he had custody of her.

[@kasper108]

What does this have to do with bianca. Bpd or not, bianca was a naive and vulnerable teen and Brandon knew he could exploit her. Sorry about your situation, but this does not relate at all.

[@alexanderorr2528]

@@kasper108Just sharing a story related to the same topic don't get spun up about it...

[@SharpieTheBlack]

@@kasper108itdoes relate. She's talking about a young woman she cares about with the same condition. You must be a minor the way you're responding.

[@rain_M4V7]

@@kasper108boohoo

[@rosieposie9564]

Unfortunately, most people with borderline personality disorder also have narcissistic personality disorder. As you found out, they generally lie a lot and can be very abusive to others and to themselves. It is better to stay away from all the cluster B types unless they have insight and are getting effective treatment which I personally think hardly ever works. I hope the child will get good parenting from someone somehow and be okay in the end.

[@smileclinic1883]

I wouldnt want this guy as my lyft driver

[@GigiRulesTheRoost]

Oh my word what a horrific event. With all that evidence why wasn't he charged with 1st degree murder and gotten life in prison?

[@clairewillow6475]

Maybe because they couldn’t prove it was premeditated

[@GigiRulesTheRoost]

@@clairewillow6475 They had proof he had planned it but maybe it wasn't solid enough

[@laceyunderall22]

I’ve never been this early. Maybe you’ll see this message, Dr. Grande. If you do, please know how much I look forward to your videos. I appreciate your hard work.

[@G58]

Were you this happy when he was calling those who questioned the vax mandates - ‘conspiracy theorists’? Has he apologised for that?

[@michaelcross9557]

@@G58 Why should he? He was correct in his assessment. The vaccines were safe. Safer than most other regularly-administered vaccines. Even now, 2 in 100 people who get infected die. Most of those deaths were unvaccinated people. Really, why keep clinging to conspiracy nonsense? It can prove fatal to believe false things.

[@laceyunderall22]

That is a valid and thought-provoking question. Here’s my answer, which I may or may not change as time moves forward. I still don’t know entirely what I think about vaccines, in particular the vaccine and the mandates that came about during the lockdown of 2020. Therefore, Dr. Grande’s videos on that topic do not meet my discontinuation criteria. I appreciated his thoughts at the time. I haven’t revisited any of those videos lately. If your question was rhetorical (and sarcastic) I guess this is an r/whoosh moment for me. However, I am choosing to interpret your question as a sincere one, and my answer follows suit. Thanks for the dialogue. Edited to fix a spelling error

[@rika8484]

For those coming to the comments to find out what manga "inspired" this crime, it's "Good Night Punpun". It's an excellent piece of media about growing up in a world that can be difficult to navigate, and this man clearly took the wrong message from it.

[@janedoe4316]

I hate to admit that once I heard the quote, I instantly knew it was Oyasumi Punpun... I can see how an incel can get worked up over that manga

[@acmartialarts2227]

The Japanese are strange

[@rika8484]

@@acmartialarts2227 nah, man. They put their pants on one leg at a time like anyone else. The manga has a lot to do with the aimlessness and angst young adults frequently experience, but it ultimately has a happy epilogue. The point is that we go through stuff, but it's temporary, and you either come out on the other side or let it destroy you. That shit's universal.

[@61subsandnovideos]

⁠@@acmartialarts2227john lennons k ller was a fanatic of catcher in the rye, yet you probably wouldnt question western media

[@togek1ss]

oyasumi pun pun was a depressing af read. not surprised at all a mentally disturbed guy would be inspired by it

[@WishAtElevenEleven]

Wow, the stat that 50% of men who are partnered with BPD women have antisocial PD is wild! Basically BPD women are doomed to either hurt or be hurt, or both.

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

Yes, that’s so scary!

[@kimgysen10]

From people I know who were in relationship with female with bpd, the opposite was true tho… please don’t think men are always to blame.

[@WishAtElevenEleven]

@@kimgysen10I don’t, did you not see that I said they’re either doomed to hurt or be hurt? That means they are either abused by their antisocial partner, or they are abusing their normal partner.

[@kimgysen10]

@@WishAtElevenEleven You’re right sorry. Many negativity around men in the comments, I got influenced.

[@T.J.Koslowski]

As a man with BPD, I wonder what the statistics say about my partner honestly 😅

[@CharlotteWinslow]

Thank-you Dr., I wasn’t aware of this case and am so saddened that Bianca was taken from us. 😞 Great coverage. Edit; I also didn’t realize you had a whole book on notorious serial killers, I’ll be getting that book.

[@AnnieBooker]

I learn something every time I watch Dr Grande. Thank you. Informative and humorous

[@Spartanen017]

How differently do men with BPD act and form relationships compared to women with those traits? 🤔

[@Badger8200]

Women don't want me with mental health issues but women expect men to cater for there emotional need. Such a double standard.

[@cigarettediet1185]

danny rolling

[@LúciaKitten]

Always appreciate your analyses on all the cases you cover, Dr. Grande.Thank you!

[@ConstantiaVerted]

I really liked how this analysis was different to the average case you cover and had some quite unique insights. Thanks.

[@Catgirl_Online]

I will never be able to erase that horrible image from my mind. Excellent analysis, Dr. Grande.

[@AinsleyORiley]

Yeah same

[@lindamuncy6308]

I’ve never been this early before but I’m eager to hear what Dr. Grande has to say. Thanks for all your hard work. ❤ This is such a disturbing case.

[@G58]

Were you this happy when he was calling those who questioned the vax mandates - ‘conspiracy theorists’? Has he apologised for that?

[@saulthechicanootaku]

Oh man. The OxyChan case. This case was just downright sickening

[@saskialolita]

Very. And the cruelty of posting the footage/photos afterwards was just beyond evil.

[@saulthechicanootaku]

​@@saskialolitait's on par with the murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom in terms of how cruel, violent and evil the crime was.

[@scorpion-lg4ic]

​​@@saulthechicanootakuI watch a lot of true crime... my friends & family would say TOO MUCH... and there isn't much that bothers me. however, the tragic & brutal ending of Channon & Christopher is a case that upsets me so much.

[@saulthechicanootaku]

@@scorpion-lg4ic and even I wonder if the killers were Nazis in their past life because those are the only people I imagine that are as cruel as those five demons

[@briskettacos]

​@saulthechicanootaku you're aware that most Nazis were just civilians, right? Do you think the people the American government is bombing right now differentiate between "good" and "bad" Americans?

[@gags730]

Miss Crazy meets Mister Crazy. The story get crazy.

[@alphaomega1351]

Only Terrence Howard knows why these types of incidents occur. 😳

[@NieceyWeesey]

Dr Grande thank you for not stigmatising those of us diagnosed with BDP/EUPD. I do think there is a link between BPD, C-PTSD and ADHD

[@Trammiliin_nr2]

I've seen a theory that there's no such thing as BPD at all. Some BPD cases are, in reality, misdiagnosed cPTSD, and others are milder cases of NPD.

[@3p.vision544]

I have cPTSD, and have had relationships with both a Borderline and a Narcissist. As there is some overlap between the BPD and NPD, all 3 certainly stand on their own having distinct characteristics that differentiate one from the other.

[@tiffytime1234]

Happy Friday Dr. Grandites

[@jbinmd]

Judge did him a favor by denying him the murder 2 plea. Nice insight about bpd at the end. Its a tough disorder.

[@sari9645]

I knew a girl who was long term online friends with Bianca. When she was murdered, horrible disgusting people kept dming her the photos. I can’t imagine why anyone would continue to circulate such horrible photos, especially to her loved ones

[@briskettacos]

Because that's what some incels do. A bunch of them just hate women and want to hurt them.

[@the.h.is.silent]

Yeah do people really not have anything else to do!!!!?

[@muhcharona]

@@the.h.is.silent Its the consequence of cultural suppression of truth, this happened because of the big lie that men and women can be friends, so when the proof comes out this hard some people will rub peoples noses in it, not saying its good, it just is.

[@cassie1264]

The photos are still going around. Bianca's mom was recently on the Crime Weekly podcast discussing her ongoing fight. Social media platforms aren't doing anything to stop the photos from being spread.

[@Teelirious]

On Halloween you better be sittin' there in a giant saguaro costume or I'm going to be very disappointed.

[@vickislominski7618]

Please don't needle the Dr.

[@AllergicToFantasy]

😂😂😂 Good one ​@@vickislominski7618

[@FSR431]

"Brandon made a shank out of a toothbrush showing you can maintain good dental hygiene while stabbing people." This guy is a hoot and a half!

[@oldpunker885]

"As chronically unattractive and unsucessful men." Lol. Subtle Roasting of the incels😂.

[@NieceyWeesey]

Not subtle at all 😂😂

[@Duendito]

@@NieceyWeeseyI came here to say that. 😂

[@tdesq.2463]

About as subtle as a Wolverine on Angel Dust

[@oldpunker885]

@@NieceyWeesey I was being sarcastic. I guess it may not have been obvious.

[@Hilz28]

Ya I've seen decent looking incels being discussed here, but...this ain't one of them 😣😬

[@lindaweedmark6025]

Thank you, I'm like "Yikes" and once again reminded that I'm probably not ready and would be in danger with a relationship. I must really be careful and do the work (having borderline traits and past history with violent partners.) Really enjoying your calmly laid out stories and analyzes.

[@zenawarrior7442]

These insecure, angry, disturbed people committing these crimes are so upsetting & unfortunately very prevalent in society. Wonderful analysis & guiding points as always. Thanks Dr G😊💖💖

[@janlobert]

Ok

[@zenawarrior7442]

@@janlobert ok what

[@gloompoodle4570]

Brilliant and illuminating. The analysis and the light-up cactus.

[@kitiyana]

Very interesting stats regarding BPD and violence in relationships. Thank you.

[@Pgschool37]

All the warning signs were there. 1)Desire to hang out almost immediately with someone you met online. 2)He wanted more from the relationship than she was willing to give. 3)His poorly hidden emotions when she gave someone else the attention he wanted from her. If you're not into someone please don't lead them on.

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

She didn’t, though. She told him she liked someone else.

[@kasper108]

Correction: if you're a grown adult, don't start giving mentally ill teenagers drugs, having sex with them and getting emotionally attached to them

[@rayross997]

If you did a video on your many & varied shirts you could call it, "The Shirt Hits the Fans". Have a great weekend Dr.Grande.

[@bthomson]

You can see his closet on some of the ads! Rainbow plus! 🌈👕✔

[@maiaallman4635]

😂😂😂

[@GeorgeCostanzais10.]

Great video! Hope you make a video talking a lot more about BPD and Bipolar Disorder

[@chartroy]

I cannot understand people who murder people they claim to love

[@maiaallman4635]

It's jealousy that drives them crazy. My opinion.

[@alphaomega1351]

You need to reach out to Terrence Howard! He's a genius and understands everything. 😳

[@LilyFlowers-hh3sc]

​@@alphaomega1351lol. Is he a Dr?

[@MachFiveFalcon]

@@maiaallman4635 And insecurity and self-hate. And finally no empathy.

[@Duendito]

“Claim to love” that’s the operative phrase.

[@esteemedmortal5917]

If your gf/bf disappoints you or you’re not on the same page, you can just….leave. You don’t have to kill them. Why give them such a strong hold over you? And if you’re not compatible, then why would you want to waste your time anyway? Love and romance weren’t any part of this. It’s about ego and domination. He couldn’t just say, ‘I’m leaving you’, he had to obliterate her and display her to the wide world😩

[@aaronburratwood.6957]

5:34 that hairline at 21? Damn.

[@visstorm]

I am 23 and im surprised to see i am past the typical raging murderer age. Maybe it will be 24 but i've yet to look like one.

[@sonjastanger5858]

Ikr!!! I was thinkin the same thing 😊

[@shockandawe03]

Explains the murdering

[@dtvexhaustedtydtvexhausted5885]

😂 he is such a loser in more ways than one

[@aaronburratwood.6957]

@@sonjastanger5858 I’m guessing drug use probably contributed to the forehead extension kit he’s rocking.

[@Toadallyawsome]

I honestly dont understand brandon behavior. If the girl doesnt like you just move on.

[@reneegardner2286]

Be glad, you're not a sociopath

[@visstorm]

from how i look at him that girl must've been conceivably the only one that had made him believe she liked him and he became deathingly addicted to the idea

[@DaNi-ph1cl]

It's entitlement. He felt entitled to her

[@TransKidRevolution]

She was a child jester.🙄

[@Relayzy1]

Rejection breeds obsession.

[@HolldollMcG]

I did not know those statistics regarding BPD and APD, I'm actually shocked.

[@yellowmonkee0]

Dr. Grande's poignant and very dry jokes are just the best. Love it.

[@ArqAngilberto]

That was HORRIBLE, the pictures of the crime where all over twitter and reddit, that guy took pictures and everything…

[@TheBub26]

bianca's killer @5:20 bears a striking resemblance to rebecca schaeffer's killer, robert john bardo. seeing him i thought "where did i see this guy before?"

[@samuelgelinas6855]

Very interesting and informative analysis for this case. Thank you Dr. Grande!

[@jlynn468]

Wonder why that was 2nd degree.

[@Katarina-ds5mj]

I was wondering that as well. He had plenty of time to think about killing her before he did it, which means he had plenty of time to change his mind. He intentionally drove to a dead end road and had a tarp and knife ready. He planned it, even if that plan was only a few hours old.

[@tomoates8568]

@@Katarina-ds5mj He may have had a plan, but it comes down to proving the plan beyond a reasonable doubt. A defense lawyer could easily say this was a crime of passion after the conversation with the victim enraged his client.

[@Katarina-ds5mj]

@@tomoates8568 Yes, I know.

[@tomoates8568]

@@Katarina-ds5mj ok lol, why’d you say you were wondering why if you knew that? 😂

[@Katarina-ds5mj]

@@tomoates8568 You can be charged with both first and second degree murder, although it probably varies from state to state including the particulars (the wording of the charges, etc.). I do think an argument could have been made for a first degree charge.

[@Carebearritual]

Being a kid in the 00s, This was not the first time a teenage-me saw death online, but Bianca’s was the only one whose name I knew. I’m still haunted by the images he posted on instagram. There were several people who continued to post it for days after.

[@pragmatica_onpoint]

Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) is often mischaracterized as a predominantly female diagnosis, but research shows men are equally likely to experience emotionally unstable personality disorders. Men are frequently mislabeled as narcissistic, antisocial, or psychopathic, despite exhibiting the same pathology as women with BPD. This gender bias marginalizes women and obscures BPD prevalence in men. Studies demonstrate that men and women exhibit similar rates of emotional dysregulation, highlighting the need to address this diagnostic bias (Grant et al., 2008). BPD is more prevalent in the general population than previously recognized and is equally prevalent among men and women. Let's stop gender mislabeling and focus on helping people struggling with these disorders.

[@pragmatica_onpoint]

@M-yb1cc Exactly this! And it even used to be the same with heart disease - practitioners would miss heart attacks in women thinking they just don't happen. When it comes to mental health there's not much difference in prevalence between men and women with most conditions - most disorders are equal opportunity afflictions, but clinicians still tend to have a gender bias about who gets what labels. It may be unconscious or unintended, but can unfortunately lead to people getting the wrong treatments and therapies.

[@panninggazz5244]

I learned a lot from this one...BPD is rather new to me....even though I am elderly......I wish I knew about BPD in th4 70s_80s...

[@torengallagher8368]

HOLY SHYT dude manage your expectations

[@kurbicksan4917]

Guys who pretend to be friends but want something else are very dangerous. Guys if you like a girl just show your intentions from the beginning, don't be a simp pretending to be friends because she would never change her mind once she puts you in the friendzone. If she doesn't show signals of liking you, move on, don't stay and be a friend, don't drive her to concerts. Contrary to what women are going to reply in the comments section, when they like a guy, women do anything to be with that dude. Also if you can't handle rejection go see a therapist, you are not a little boy anymore, you are not mommas little boy who made tantrums at the store because she didn't buy you the toy you wanted. It's time for you incels to grow up, feeling sorry for yourself isn't going to change your life. Accept failure and work to become a better person. Incels make women the center of their universe, that is why they can't handle rejection. Also understand female psychology, how they act when they like a guy, how to tell when she doesn't like you.

[@THEFlea1991]

And if you’re a girl, don’t use someone who obviously has feelings for you for a free ride to a concert to see the guy you DO have feelings for. Not a good idea. Pretty shitty thing to do, also. And had she just left the guy she didn’t have feelings for and not used him and continued talking to him like an idiot, she would probably be here still. What he did was heinous, but she should have known better.

[@wowsew]

That hairline should of been in jail long before

[@Darin.Pearson]

Should "have. Not should "of"

[@spOOkytimes]

​@@Darin.Pearson saying "should of" instead of "should've" or "should have" has been becoming more of a concerning trend lately.

[@Darin.Pearson]

@spOOkytimes Yes. It's an epidemic!! Haha. I understand why people write and say it. It sounds similar. The one I really don't understand, especially when people argue with me, is "I could care less." Oh, so you care so much that you have room to care less? That sounds like the opposite of what you mean. Don't you mean you care so little that you "couldn't" care less? Then the fireworks commence as they dig into their misunderstanding like their life depends on it.

[@heyitswesty]

love your breakdowns, doc, thanks

[@michaelcross9557]

My advice for incels is to work your ass off and be smart about career moves. Once you're driving around in a convertible, you're bound to snag some woman, if that's your only goal in life. Or just go out and make some friends for yourself and enjoy your bachelorhood. Romantic relations ain't what they're cracked up to be, friend!

[@brewcrew5854]

i feel sorry for this women but also kids need to .... volunteer at animal shelter or senior living or disadvantaged children facility on weekends join bowling team or field hockey or learn horseback riding train to be a guitarist or pianist swim at the pool i think it could do good for self esteem do something to get out of house away from any thing with a screen ( i know good luck with this ) sorry again for this person and her family

[@LilyFlowers-hh3sc]

I agree. Computers are hurting and controlling all young people. Thigs will get worse if we don't get on this, change things and teach a serious amount of emotional intelligence on how to cope with the Internet and se×uality online. It needs to be taught in every school and it needs to be just as important as math.

[@sari9645]

I think the word you’re looking for internet micro celebrity, or niche micro celebrity (as opposed to quasi-celebrity)

[@xhannnnahx]

Bianca is very beautiful, God rest her soul. Prayers for all of us surviving with a severe mental illness like BPD/PTSD to be healed.

[@MegaLolcade]

Ok not victim blaming but she definitely was using him and he felt used. He obviously was wrong for murdering her. She was definitely playing a dangerous game though. Throwing the word incel around doesn't make any sense in this case. To my understanding, these two were romantically involved. This automatically renders that term useless here. Hopefully people learn from cases like this. Dont catch feelings for an Instathot and dont trust men to not be violent. Again why were incels blamed for this? Did this guy sacrifice her to an incel cult or something? Really weird.

[@cathexis1325]

The self fulfilling prophecies surrounding this case are crazy

[@FrankOdonnell-ej3hd]

like the infamous serial killer the Son of Sam who appeared to have similar issues with women brandon took a pro-active approach to resolving his dilemma but one must not only take on these problems in an active way but also a RATIONAL way as the irrational methods tend to backfire ⚛😀

[@sorrelbee113]

I would say (as someone with BPD) that because of my experiences with my caregivers growing up - where love was highly conditional, their moods could be erratic, affection and expectations were not consistent, etc - I find myself drawn to partners who resemble my parents in certain ways. I often am drawn to people whose affection is inconsistent and who are emotionally unavailable. I developed an attachment style which is overall disorganized but leans toward anxious-preoccupied regarding romantic attachments; I find myself almost repelled by other anxious-preoccupied people, but drawn to dismissive-avoidant people. Comfort in familiarity. I think, besides what Dr grande describes, this is why we often end up with antisocial partners. I've had partners who had aspd and npd, and we both did a lot of work with the support of therapy and medication, and the relationships have gone well, but I understand this is not the norm for such relationships. They CAN work, but you have to do a lot of work.

[@Mr_Case_Time]

Can someone please explain why this wasn’t a first degree murder charge?

[@ursodermatt8809]

you might have read the court transcripts. i am sure they are public.

[@maryrichardson6029]

Always interesting Thank you❤

[@Loreweavver]

Isn't aspiring incel an oxymoron? The key trait of the incel is that the celibacy is involuntary. If the act, or avoidance in this case, is aspirational it is hardly involuntary. Secondarily I have been informed we aren't supposed to use that term anymore due to being derogatory to some of the trans community.

[@ann-mariepaliukenas19]

Probably aspiring to be a woman hat er,and aspiring destroyer of women.

[@mystiquesquared]

Sarcasm is a lost art.

[@holidayarmadillo8653]

@@mystiquesquared😂

[@Cinder_311]

Well them identifying as Incel is an aspiration I'd the other choice is to admit they are the cause of their own celibacy. They never seem to grasp how weird and creepy they are. Considering themselves incels in easier for them. It's like a justification.

[@scrubmcchub2255]

They “aspire” to escape their “incel” status

[@Flamsterette]

Thanks for the upload, Dr. Grande! Your true fans love your humour and sarcasm. I'm getting a new Google Pixel Pro 8 phone with a special glass protector and fingerprint sensitivity installed today. June 21 is National Wagyu Day (gotta have some Vietnamese Lay's MAX Wagyu Beefsteak chips later!), Global Orgasm Day, First Day of Summer, Pee-On-Earth Day, World Gnome Day, World Giraffe Day, Hydrography Day, Peaches and Cream Day (gotta have some Western Family Peaches and Cream oatmeal later!), National Seashell Day, World Humanist Day, and World Handshake Day.

[@GringoGeorge]

While the word incel is a modern term, the dynamic of unrequited love has been around for a very long time. Unfortunately it sometimes results in violence.

[@Caden32105]

I've thought of this case almost every day for a couple of years now. It goes to show the extent of how bad us young men's mental health really is in this day and age. There's more people in the world than ever before, yet it's more anti-social than ever before. I myself as a young man who is only a few years younger than the murderer in this case can say with absolute certainty that men's mental health is severely neglected, and that is the root cause for things like this happening to such young people. In this case, a young girl lost her life and a young man lost his innocence and freedom to his demons. But nothing will ever change any of this, because everyone is only out for themselves in this world and no one truly cares about the future of our species. All anyone does these days is use and abuse one another, and one day, the entire world will end because of it.

[@vigneshkr7072]

Lol it's always been that way. Humanity haven't changed. Selfless people get used by selfish people. You don't see good people because you don't notice them. And I've had seen many cases of good women paying thier lives as price for considering men with poor mental health. See the good side of the world try to embrace it, I can see your turning yourself into monster.

[@isaacmettle]

I’m gonna be good so Dr Grande won’t do a video on me

[@mystiquesquared]

Best laid plans, and all that. 😂

[@skycloud4802]

It's fine. He won't be diagnosing you. Just speculating on a situation like this.

[@pld-wc7gf]

He will be involuntarily active in prison.

[@moemenace5345]

Dr. Grande, could you please analyze the case of Bossman Jack? Day 113 of asking 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨

[@TransKidRevolution]

🙄

[@moemenace5345]

@@TransKidRevolution pound sand

[@user-fi6dc8dw9f]

Ladies- don’t use men you’re not interested in for favors.

[@angryox3102]

Yeah, the guy is definitely scum, but she exposed herself to unnecessary and avoidable risk.

[@ashley.taylor174]

She had mental issues which lacked discernment. Let’s raise boys to respect boundaries and lack entitlement.

[@NerdAlert911]

Intriguing convo.

[@redditors_are_fggits9607]

​@@ashley.taylor174 let's raise girls not to manipulate and use people.

[@roaringgirl7079]

Men, learn to take "No" for an answer.

[@egoborder3203]

pretty dumb to ask a guy you know is interested in you to a concert to make out with someone else. That's just called using people, regardless of the consequences

[@katestewart-taylor9736]

She was maybe 19, the right age to be stupid and naive. 19 practically the definition of stupid

[@EdwardSnortin]

Girls nowadays are trained to treat men like this

[@SCH292]

@@katestewart-taylor9736 I feel like "some girls" are just like that. Idk how to say it. The girl know she shouldn't do that because it just isn't right but she still does it anyway for the "thrill" or something like that. I feel like regardless of guy or girl. We shouldn't do this at all. I'm 31. Back in my teen days I been a third wheeler few times. Girls done this to me. So I learn how to suck it up, I lost, take the hint, I been banished to the "that one guy" zone which is lower than friend zone, I move on and talk to new girls but hey it's just me. That's the way how I see it and do things. Anyway...Maybe the incel community and the MGTOW community are an whole new species or something? Lol

[@chrismartin5450]

Typical borderline personality behavior. Of all the mental illnesses…..it’s to worst

[@briskettacos]

His murder was premeditated - he had a kill kit and did internet searches previously. This was NOT a crime of passion. Besides, even if that werent the case, He was an adult and she was a teenager. He should have taken a hint.

[@lisachrist6256]

Thoughtful analysis

[@gabrielgolden4336]

Nutcase meets nutcase. What could have possibly gone wrong?

[@briskettacos]

One was a teenager and other was a bitter adult. Place the blame where it goes.

[@TransKidRevolution]

He just did.

[@scarbo2229]

Amazing and so sad that Bianca was hanging out with this guy. She seems to have had no sense of the danger of using him to drive her around.

[@kasper108]

I'm not sure if she had a sense of danger or not but I can tell you that she had very low self esteem and most of her teenage friendship and relationships had been online so IRL situations with people may have been new to her and she maybe didn't know what signs to look out for. They were friends, she believed they were friends. She hadn't had many IRL friends (she become socially isolated around 13 or 14 if I remember correctly) and had made it clear she didn't want to be exclusive, yet Brandon still inserted himself into her life. If Brandon did not want to be friends or hang out with her without a relationship he should have just left her alone and found another potential partner. Brandon said himself he was completely obsessed with her, to the point he was getting into trouble at work, I don't think she even knew he was that obsessed. She genuinely thought they were friends. And whose to say that if she rejected him and then stopped hanging out with him he wouldn't have done the same thing.

[@Wallawallabing]

If he couldn't have her, no one could. What an absolute loser. RIP Bianca

[@willson72]

🎉🎉🎉🎉Dr Todd, would you look into the Good Hart murders? I'm just now hearing about this 50 year old case.

[@katgriffin-ryan2389]

‘Brandon wrote the message: may you never forget I’ve been drinking Huel for 30 days and the results have been amazing’. Listening in the bath with no option to contol KZbin adverts can be jarring.

[@sugacookigeta]

@Dr Grande. Not sure if you seen the case about Australian man Andrew Hayler. Wouldn't mind your commentary on that one.

[@mikaellugo4146]

Nothing excuses murder but she wasn’t a saint herself. Lots of extremely toxic behavior on her part with him and other people, but again nothing to get killed over. Moral of the story is mental illness and chronic internet use are a bad mix

[@surrealSorceress]

Calling a murder victim toxic is tonedeaf, especially considering her age. Socially innept, perhaps. Something is very off-putting about your perspective. She is a perfect example of the horrible price we can pay for giving our attention to the wrong people. May he rot in prison.

[@dtvexhaustedtydtvexhausted5885]

Dude what is with you? Don't you see he didn't see her as a person he saw her as a prize to up his status as someone who could achieve a "hot girl" it's really sad when you think about it!! he thought What!! I'm not allowed to own this object that would make me more Chad like if I can't have this achievement then no one can he is truly a pathetic man

[@MrYoungHegelian]

Incel detected

[@TransKidRevolution]

Bianca was a nut. Grow up lady🙄

[@elizabethpieters7798]

She wasn't a saint, but atleast she wasn't a murder. Brandon was a fragile incel that couldn't handle rejection.

[@mariamerigold]

Thank you doc 😊

[@GaldenX]

17 year old teen dealing with mental disorders and an unstable 21 year old adult enters into the picture?? Where were the parents to shield their kid from this guy? This relationship should've ended before it began.

[@sarahjaye4117]

Yeah it’s pretty creepy:(

[@annieapple8974]

According to her Mother, Bianca originally lied about his age when he visited.

[@PotatoPCFishingBoomerDude]

I just come for the calming voice. I am a Marine vet that has some issues and hate loud noises. I also come for the gore and mahem stories.

[@josh656]

Brandon is going to have no shortage of people in his orbit from now on.

[@alphaomega1351]

No... no... I have you know that his boyfriend in prison is the alpha male in their block. 😳

[@blondefro]

Dey gonna be all up in his orbit fo sho

[@Letsgo88809]

@@alphaomega1351😂😂

[@josh656]

@@alphaomega1351 Incel in the cell