ASUS OLED Anti-Flicker - VRR Flicker Gone?

[@KeyboardSavant]

I wonder if ASUS has plans to provide a firmware update for the PG32UCDM - bringing with it the latest OSD features.

[@GeordiLaForgery]

Fascinating stuff cheers, I haven't got an oled but hope to try it someday.

[@ivayloiliev4307]

As always great content! Which monitor with IPS panel and antyflicker technology you could recommend for someone with eye sensitive eyes in around the £300? I end up returning the Koorui GP1, as being too bright for me, but your great review was the reason for getting it in first place. I do not really need a gaming monitor, but would benefit if at least 75Hz. Keep on this stunning videos, rolling dude, we n3ed you! There is not much of content of this caliber on the net 👏

[@PCMonitors]

Yeah, the Koorui only goes down to ~100 nits so I can see why that would be a problem with sensitive eyes. If you liked that model apart from the fact it was uncomfortable (I know it's hard to assess it with that in mind), how about the AOC version? pcmonitors.info/reviews/aoc-q24g2a-bk/. That goes down to 64 nits which is significantly dimmer (though still not super dim).

[@bakakafka4428]

A mere 2222 EUR at local Amazon. Pocket change really./s

[@PCMonitors]

Yeah!

[@theendurance]

EUROPOOR!

[@bakakafka4428]

@@PCMonitors Just read the announcement on German news site that AOC will soon release 4K 32" 165Hz oled. 850 ish EUR. Review possible? Edit: name Agon Pro AG326UD

[@PCMonitors]

It's possible at some point. But models are prioritised which are available in the US, where most of our supporting users are based.

[@NordicNomadv]

very good

[@jinasura3052]

What’s your favourite gaming monitor and also explain why pls ? I so glad that I found your chanel you are definitely a gem of this community if not really the holy grail of monitor reviews, I’m waiting your answers like a kid Christmas 🎅

[@PCMonitors]

The AW3225QF (kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5icpWSghKiYnc0si=shJGE2eyZEcWukNM ), which is partly why I own it. I'm a fan of QD-OLEDs (if you couldn't tell), I like the '4K' UHD resolution and I got this one for a very good price and ended up keeping it as my own monitor after the review. Monitors are extremely subjective though, it's not for everyone.

[@jinasura3052]

@@PCMonitors yes indeed but with oversaturated market everyone is just not honest anymore and they do it for the click bait I was wațitching that monitor also but I was having in mind the asus version or even gigabyte but now I now what I want 🙏

[@jinasura3052]

What stopped you to not get the Asus PG32UCDM? Also the curve on the alien one don’t bother you at all ?

[@PCMonitors]

@jinasura3052 I specifically purchased the AW3225QF because I wanted to review it and Dell are useless at providing samples at the moment. ASUS are not. Furthermore the PG32UCDM wasn't available in the UK when I reviewed the Dell - it also costs a lot more than I paid for the Dell plus the aesthetics don't fit my setup as well. As for the curve, I share my thoughts on that in the review - kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5icpWSghKiYnc0si=icDvccZmyOuBm_Z9&t=54.

[@dotxyn]

Personally, I find VRR flicker very annoying. I have the MSI 321URX and prefer VRR disabled entirely. I have used 3x V-SYNC with some success, and some games display minimal tearing depending on the framerate, but overall I find dealing with each solution's drawbacks better than seeing flicker.

[@PCMonitors]

Some people will definitely find VRR flicker a lot more annoying than any tearing (VSync off) or stuttering (VSync on) they'd observe and I fully understand it. I'd love to see VRR flickering properly mitigated on OLEDs one day. It was somewhat reduced on the AW3423DW as it had a G-SYNC module, though it was still an issue.

[@QubaLG-n1o]

@@PCMonitors why would the flicker behave any better with a G-Sync module? Wouldn't it make it worse, if anything, since the display is able to go all the way down to 1Hz? I think it must be just panel variance.

[@PCMonitors]

Well it's definitely not panel variance, given other models using that same panel but lacking the module have (as confirmed by multiple users and me) more noticeable VRR flickering. Nvidia seems to perform some gamma compensation to offset it. And going down to lower refresh rates isn't necessarily an issue for VRR flickering. Actually it can help, because you don't have a distinct LFC boundary where the refresh rate will suddenly jump to a multiple of the frame rate after you fall below it. This video demonstrated what happened when you keep crossing that LFC boundary. Either way though, if your game is running anywhere close to 1Hz (actually it usually cuts off at 10-15Hz then uses LFC) then you've got bigger worries.

[@dotxyn]

@@PCMonitors besides the traditional double and triple buffering, are there different implementations of vsync that look better than others, with some games having little to no stuttering? does having faster hardware mitigate issues with vsync?

[@PCMonitors]

@@dotxyn Stuttering with VSync on is always an issue when the refresh rate doesn't precisely match up with the frame rate of the content (or stick perfectly to a multiple of it - which is very difficult to achieve in practice). It doesn't matter what form of VSync is used, this is always going to be a problem.

[@RealNC]

We need "underdrive" :P OLED pixels are so fast that they cause VRR flicker so an anti-flicker feature should probably artificially increase pixel response time. It's no wonder IPS panels never flicker, while FastIPS and TN do.

[@PCMonitors]

But VA models are the worst offenders (for different reasons).

[@sengan2475]

Underdrive would be nice for watching movies and 30fps games. Fast response times cause judder in low fps content

[@DabiOW]

Interesting that Asus is trying to offer some kind of flicker mitigation, but this solution seems very situational. What's your opinion on Samsung's anti-flicker setting on the G6 and G8? Would you say it overall works better than Asus feature or worse?

[@PCMonitors]

Samsung's 'VRR Control' is very different and is covered in our review of the G60SD - kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4DbmKqar8pqha8si=jNsQaIdEf96RFo7o&t=3554.

[@LojistikGamer]

Hello PC Monitors, Which one do you think is better ? ASUS AQDMG or SAMSUNG G6 ? Please be honest, I'm torn between them and if it was you, which one you would buy ?

[@PCMonitors]

My recommendations are clear - pcmonitors.info/articles/best-gaming-monitors/. But it's entirely subjective, really, you should watch both reviews and decide for yourself. Screen surface differences, panel technology differences and refresh rate differences for example are explored there and must be considered.

[@brucepreston3927]

I have been trying to make OLED work for me, but I guess i'm super sensitive to VRR flicker...I have bought and returned 3 different OLED monitors...The flickering drives me absolutely crazy! I play alot of darker games, which look beautiful on OLED, but every single one of them flicker like crazy...I even upgraded my GPU to a 4080 super thinking that might help with the fluctuations, but honestly it just made it worse...I guess maybe I will hold out for a while longer until they can figure out a solution to this...I really want OLED, but i'm think about going with a mini LED for now...I have never used a mini LED though, so i'm not sure how much better it will look than what I have right now...

[@dotxyn]

Just disable VRR and/or try out different V-SYNC implementations. You'd be surprised how often things just look fine.

[@brucepreston3927]

@@dotxyn I did try turning off VRR and I tried capping my FPS, but after using VRR for the last 8 years it looks rough without it now...After spending $3500 on my PC and another $800 on my monitor, I would rather not have to compromise like that...I know these are 1st world problems, but I really enjoy PC gaming and I want the best experience I can...I love the look of OLED, but it's just not worth dealing with the flicker or giving up VRR...I just ordered an Odyssey G8 OLED to try out, but if it has flicker I think will just try a mini LED and see how I like it...

[@rossmarbow-combatflightsim5922]

just turn off vrr/gsync whatever you dont need it all it just adds input latency

[@sengan2475]

VA mini led panels have even worse VRR flicker

[@brucepreston3927]

@@rossmarbow-combatflightsim5922 G-sync doesn't add latency, V-sync does though...I have been playing with G-sync for many years and I have no intention of playing games on an $800 monitor without it...I will just keep looking until I find a monitor that works for me.

[@TheMostSavageOfAllGeese]

That flicker is wrecking some people’s eyes who are sensitive to PWM. Hardly anyone mentions this because everyone is obsessed with OLED. For some people it causes bad eye strain and headaches.

[@JohnnyFlash-]

Manage your game settings then cap the framerate just below the average and you'll never see it in game. You also get a much more consistent experience.

[@sudd3660]

you might be right in some cases but not in general. i can see high frequency flicker or pwm, do not give me headache but it is annoying. would be more accurate and call even oscillations as a frequency and the oled has uneven frequency as flicker. and the flicker is so low, i guess at 90hz so it is more like a flashing. the flicker oled has is low frequency, anyone can see it. the high frequency of pwm most people can not see it but feel the negative effects.

[@rossmarbow-combatflightsim5922]

just turn off vrr its trash tech anyway you dont need it at all

[@xxx333mmm]

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[@mikea510]

Is the anti flicker available on the pg32ucdm? I don't remember seeing it anywhere.

[@PCMonitors]

No. I've only seen it so far on ASUS WOLED models, but it might make its way to others with firmware updates.

[@mikea510]

@PCMonitors ah, that's unfortunate. I was hoping I just over looked it somehow, thanks for the response and great videos 🙏

[@yoyigu]

A new firmware will be released for the UCDM, where the same options as the WOLED are implemented, improvements in HDR among other things, it was announced on the Asus Rog forum.

[@sbr-synrosimbugracing9338]

I like my MSI.

[@PCMonitors]

Which model do you have?

[@kociel]

Hi can you tell me please how tall is the stand without monitor, I can't find this info anywhere?

[@PCMonitors]

Sorry, don't have the monitor with me to measure that.

[@berrymycawkner]

Ok I’m new to oled does this only happen with vrr is enabled?

[@PCMonitors]

Yes, hence the name "VRR flicker". 😉

[@me-kl9tg]

Might be worth working on your audio. It's very boomy on my speakers.

[@ployth9000]

fine on my end.

[@PCMonitors]

Yeah, it seems to be fine for most people. Exact same audio used in the PG32UCDP review (which this is just a section of). That has had thousands of views, quite a few comments and 0 audio complaints. It might be that this video has just been uploaded and you can't use "Stable Volume" yet, because it needs to process further for that.

[@TigerNationDE]

lol at least high kills the whole benefit of VRR.

[@ployth9000]

this one or the lg version is better overall ?

[@PCMonitors]

I haven't used the LG 32GS95UE myself (their PR team in the UK is useless to non-existent), but the general concensus seems to be that the ASUS is better. To name but a few gripes I'd have with the LG. It has an annoying thing called 'CPC' under SDR - forum.pcmonitors.info/topic/cpc-with-lg-27gs95qe/#post-76268. And you can't use VRR with the 480Hz mode like you can on the ASUS.

[@ployth9000]

@@PCMonitors thanks I will go for the asus model no VRR in 480hz mode is a deal breaker but you can use it on the asus I think as for the CPC issue you can turn it off with the LG universal remote

[@PCMonitors]

Indeed the ASUS does have VRR with its 480Hz mode. Turning off CPC is a pain on the LG, there are some caveats to doing that - forum.pcmonitors.info/topic/asus-pg27aqdm-vs-lg-27gr95qe-and-thoughts-on-acer-and-corsair-variants/#post-73013. Specifically it affects the automatic running of cleaning cycles and if the monitor goes into a standby state you need to go back into the service menu to re-enable CPC. I used to own the 27GR95QE and that was, for me, a real pain.

[@MegaNebelwerfer]

Unacceptable for the price.

[@PCMonitors]

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[@rossmarbow-combatflightsim5922]

Just turn gsync off its meme tech

[@CDAProst]

OLED is crap and this anti-flicker is absolute gargabe marketing crap!

[@rossmarbow-combatflightsim5922]

vrr is crap but I agree this is just cope