ATC@JFK - "JBU916 You got a Pen?"

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[@LordSandwichII]

Rule 1 of recorded ATC conversations on youtube: NEVER leave the phone number uncensored! XD

[@mcospottinghd7157]

+Lord Sandwich Its fine...... Its only the Kennedy airport supervisor.

[@HEDGE1011]

MCOSpotting HD Exactly! Nobody anyone cares about or wants to talk to. Ever.

[@bobbywelches1339]

I just called. He's doing ok. Wife and the kids are growing up.

[@KalJus23]

@@bobbywelches1339 I called nice guy, shared photos of him and his family on vacation. Gave me his work schedule and his wife is hot.

[@yeenybean2881]

Plot twist: JBU916 posted this and is just trying to doxx him.

[@AntonioRoma]

I loved that dramatic pause at the end, and then the pilot said sheepishly "ok" lol

[@captainmorgan757]

Four words one NEVER wants to hear from ATC: "You got a pen?"

[@ZeroByteInFlight]

JBU916 got called to the principal's office.

[@HEDGE1011]

ZeroByteInFlight But the controller is the one who got spanked!

[@StuMcClay]

I think we're missing something here. He was told to hold short and then cleared to cross the runway and then turn right on Alpha. He must have made a wrong turn somewhere that's not shown to us.

[@JumpStartation]

Just to clear this up for all of you guys wondering, in the real world the control tower has a landline that it uses. The reason for having it is so when things like this happen, ATC can easily speak to the pilot without jamming up the frequency.

[@Zls1996Ymf]

Maybe the JetBlue interrupted inbound traffic when crossing runway, presumably either deviated from assigned route or stayed longer than he should. This is the first time I heard Steve rising voice in radio since AeroFlot pilot stopped on runway after landing and almost made the behind traffic go around.

[@eleftherios11]

That ain't Steve btw

[@Zls1996Ymf]

+Eleftherios Margiolas Ah, sorry. Thanks for pointing out. Does Steve mostly work with ground frequencies?

[@mooneyes2k478]

@@eleftherios11 Very much later, but yes, it IS Steve. That voice is more than distinct enough.

[@AkiraAkiyama]

Even Stephen Abraham gets angry ... JBU916 you are just ... too wrong!

[@BBHemisnJets]

I had a pen, wrote it down and called → It's a Pizza Hut.. No worries !

[@sebastianrekdal]

No. Its Kennedy's Supervisor..

[@kevinduffy9577]

***** He was making a joke... enjoy it.

[@BBHemisnJets]

duh...LOL

[@user-ly7fx7rx1l]

B.B. ✈ Aviation reported

[@doloresm7396]

+B.B. ✈ Aviation Yeah, it's now Pizza Hut because 162,000 people called that number - in one day.

[@jbraunger]

Pilot getting a number at a bar... good. Pilot getting a number at work.. bad.

[@BluegrassFilmsKY]

That's nothing, I went on Wikipedia once to look up an air force pilot, 8 hours later I was researching intestinal disorders.

[@40joel]

I think it usually has to do with how busy they are. Stressed controllers don't cut you any slack

[@cottagechskitty]

Kennedy Steve is not a "prick", trust me. :) Listen to his other recordings. I'm still not sure what went wrong here

[@Spartan536]

Wrong taxi that caused unsafe airport operations, likely got chewed out a bit

[@TexasRose50]

cottagechskitty, I know this is an old video. But just wanted to agree with you! For Steve to that, there had to be a very good reason!!

[@sigmet61]

When I ask a pilot to call me, it's because I am going to make this a learning experience instead of an officiel violation...

[@GTOAviator]

Yep, the infamous "call this number" radio call. We got it once, but it was a mistake on the FSS side - still made our flight home a nervous one :)

[@Bobrogers99]

Because of the cut, we don't know just how much time elapsed between the instruction to cross the runway and the excited ATC response. Perhaps the plane lingered on the runway far longer than expected.

[@Arabhacks]

One incident means nothing. A phone call, no biggie. Visit from the FAA, unannounced, no phone, call, no number, then I would worry. The number is for the FAA FSS, Flight Service Station, they are listed numbers. Prior to 9/11, you could call them for a tour of an airport. they are the first point of contact with the FAA most pilots meet.

[@Cariv4]

It can mean anything from "We're about to yell at you" to "You're about to get fired". It's a bad thing, trust me. It means they're about to give you the dreaded phone number. The phone number is the "you fucked up hotline."

[@MrGyngve]

Im pretty sure that making a wrong turn on the taxiway wont give u the phone number to the tower, unless that wrong turn takes u on to the runway or u forgot to hold short of it...

[@cmdmd]

Well, depending on what he did is the severity of the phonecall. Doesn't necessarily mean he will be in front of an FAA panel.

[@Darthbelal]

I've heard that the New York ATC boys were a cranky bunch.

[@DelfinoDelphis]

@DirtyDangles22 Monitor frequency definately means to switch to a new frequency and not stay on the last one.

[@Pwnzistor]

I was hoping for a little more detail than that

[@mxochimera]

If I had to guess, I'd say he turned left on A instead of right. A and B are the "main roads" at JFK, and if you do something like that you're gonna mess up a whole lotta people.

[@yamaotostrike]

this is all safety critical. No time for errors. Aviation is awesome yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (scene cuts to peter in a blimp)

[@CristiNeagu]

@DelfinoDelphis Monitoring a frequency means transmitting and receiving on the previously assigned frequency, while receiving on the new frequency.

[@dodger202020]

In this situation, that phone number is one of the numbers for the tower at JFK. Whom you offended will determine whom you'll have to call. I've known people that had to call the tower, ground, tracon, etc. Usually it's for not following instructions. Depending on the severity you may just get a stern talking to. A warning. If it's something serious, they may file a report as well. These numbers aren't secret. Likely the jetblue flight wasn't following the given instructions.

[@Probowler37]

Man I want to call that number, but I better make sure I inform him that I have a pen ready!

[@BorisKnoT]

It's a hot-line for pilots to relax.

[@patio87]

He says "copy" at the end, not "ok".

[@JimMcHenry]

ATC can't assume all aircraft have 2 COM radios. The FAA Pilot/Controller glossary is pretty clear on the matter. MONITOR− (When used with communication transfer) listen on a specific frequency and stand by for instructions. Under normal circumstances do not establish communications Again, I think we're missing some details here. Judging from the excitement in the controllers voice, I would guess ATC forgot he cleared him to cross 4L, or JetBlue got lost while turning right on to taxiway A.

[@Amar7605]

@13thLiberator That's pretty common. It happens to me while I am taxiing to the hold short line. Before I reach the hold short line I get cleared to cross.

[@darnitalltohell]

I'll bet his "oh shit" meter skyrocketed when those numbers came in over the radio.

[@thegiantankh]

Like a boss

[@DelfinoDelphis]

@Crashboy1024 Might be some regional difference - in Europe definitely monitor means to switch to a new frequency - it is very rare to use two frequencies at once and pilot should be informed if that situation occurs. Still not all aircrafts are equipped with two radios.

[@mourajini]

OK, I listened to this many times and I think I got it. Correct me if I'm wrong. JB was to hold short 4L. Before it got to 4L, Tower cleared JB to cross 4L and to monitor ground. JB crosses 4L and ground calls JB saying "what are you doing?"(which is not standard phraseology). JB was quite for a quite sometime. Why did the ground asked "What are you doing", and why JB didn't respond for a long time because JFK is very busy and that can be scary for the ATC.

[@BorisKnoT]

When he says wind 360 at 8 what does it mean? Direction and wind speed? What is what? Thanks in advance.

[@enzino237]

I am one of those that hasn't got a clue of what happened. So, he got the clearance to cross 4L and to change frequency... He copied and apparently he crossed runway 4L - what went wrong?

[@enzino237]

OK I listened to the video more carefully now and it seems like you're correct. Thanks for the explanation.

[@NateTheGreatPilot]

Oh hell, not those phone numbers! That means he has to call the tower and talk about what happened...damn...I wonder what he did...

[@GuyAwoke]

He didn't read back the 2nd set of taxi instructions, just read back the frequency.

[@MrRandomppl]

that phone is now busy ringing :D

[@tiadaid]

@carde028 I think that's the number to the control tower, though I could be mistaken.

[@hotshot172]

Probably calling the control tower, sounds like he had a runway incursion.

[@anush10]

Aeromexico has that number on speed dial

[@schlusselmensch]

So you figure the controllers at OSH during the fly-in are granted immunity from any and all mistakes?

[@AgentCalhoun]

Also note that this chart is outdated, both of FA & F is btw 22R/4L & 22L/4R.

[@ktoliman]

half right. [Normally] there are 4 radios, on an aircraft. 2 Communications and 2 Navigation radios (DME). When a controller gives the instruction to MONITOR a frequency, they are expected to switch their second radio to the new frequency while remaining on their current one for instructions. When the controller instructs "FREQUENCY CHANGE APPROVED..." that is when a pilot should push their primary to the new frequency and contact the frequency. THIS probably pilot switched off frequency.

[@JimMcHenry]

Umm, Monitor ground means to SWITCH to the ground frequency, but you don't call or talk to them unless they call you. Think we're missing an instruction here, because I don't see or hear where JetBlue did anything wrong.

[@recacon3]

Ouch. That's gonna hurt... his eardrums.

[@rev4life03]

@spartacus1287 Problem with that is that it is a lot easier to find out who was flying that jetblue plane at that moment in time. Unlike general aviation pilots where it can be anybody. If that controller really wanted to know who was flying that plane, he can call jetblue and find out.

[@JoeHartiganFleming]

That's not too distant, they both relate to fuels of different types

[@ThePilotman329]

Or they just remind you to be more careful next time... Happened to me as I busted air space at Boca right after I got my ticket... lol...

[@iamontrak]

OH SHIT!!!

@BorisKnoT Yep, it's 360 degrees 8 knots.

[@SQK1200]

JBU 916's mistake was not taxing wrong, but not effectively monitoring tower (119.1 OR 123.9) on one radio when the other radio is switched onto ground (121.65).

[@Khazar01]

Just curious, what would happen if the pilot doesn't call the number?

[@captainmorgan757]

It implies that you (the pilot) did something that you shouldn't have. Something that could go on your flying record that you wished was not there; not to mention perhaps a "friendly" visit from the FAA.

[@at1357]

No actually he was initially told to hold short of 4L and later was cleared to cross and turn right on alpha. My guess is that he probably made the wrong turn after crossing 4L and ended up on the wrong taxiway. So the issue doesn't seem to be that he crossed 4L without clearance. Anyway we're all guessing here, no way to know for sure.

[@jaysmith1408]

@cskog001 technically he did not read back the crossing clearance, which (im not sure what FAR that is) but if not doing so, may lead controller to think he was still holding, confusing him when the airplane crossed the runway to get to the other side.

[@nxtvh90]

@1053857 runway incursion. When a control tower gives you a number to call, they want to talk to the pilot privately b/c they were on the runway while someone else was intending to use it. in this case, Jetblue took their sweet ass time to cross the runway when given clearance, which caused another aircraft to divert from their intentions.

[@MrJuliofu]

@BorisKnoT 360 is the direction the wind is coming from, and 8 means 8 knots

[@volante8657]

and skipping "1" in quite common as well, since it can't be a nought or 2 anyway :P

[@w5pda]

I think I can top that one. I was looking for 101LL (avgas) and somehow ended-up reading about uranium yellowcake/

[@Agora2021]

Oh shit, I would be horrified if I got a number.

[@tiadaid]

@carde028 Out of curiosity I googled the number and in the FAA directory you'll find the person at the JFK ATC who's actually got the number!

[@schlusselmensch]

Have a listen to the Oshkosh Pinkshirts and tell me if you ever hear them raise their voices.

[@LiveATCClips]

Good Point. Will cut it out next time

I call him . His say kenndy ... Funny .

[@juurme]

Whats that place he needs to call to ? What did he do wrong after all ?

[@Recovering_Californian]

It's been up for over two years ... the chances of the author doing what you ask: ZERO ...

[@dodger202020]

That is not true. If tower tells you something along the lines of "monitor ground on 121.9" you are expected to change frequency to ground but not talk. Same with if they tell you to monitor tower. You change the frequency but do not talk. You wait for tower to call you. You are never *expected* to monitor one channel while remaining on the other. It's nice to do and extremely helpful but it's not required. "Frequency change approved" is basically an "official" goodbye from the controller

[@pigkiller7171]

don't forget the FCC, if it's on the airwaves, they may be listening.

[@vqmaxima3677]

what is the number for?

[@masterman3178]

And then they went on a date!!!!

[@rev4life03]

@Julman75 Thats the number to the tower, which pretty much means the FAA wants to have a word with you. It is like having those blue cop lights behind you in the car. 2 Things can happen, a warning or you have yourself a problem.

[@ThePilotman329]

Fly to high traffic areas and you may come across that instruction. standard procedure when the controller wants you to maintain situationally aware...

[@LiveATCClips]

True. Doesnt change the meaning tho :D

[@gummel82]

Why was he reported? I thought he had clearance to cross rwy 4L

[@HEDGE1011]

John McJohnson You are correct. He did have a clearance to cross so I don't know what ATC's problem is...OH WAIT! YES I DO! HE'S A CONTROLLER AT JFK! Worst place in the US to fly into. Terrible airport layout and terrible controllers. Just the worst. Unless something astonishing was edited from this recording, the JBLU guy has nothing to fear. Tell him to pull the tapes and file an ASAP.

[@5calambres]

He turned on the wrong taxiway. But yeah bash all ATC especially the one who worked there for 40 Years. It was Steve working on ground. So before jumping on some assumptions, turn on your brain.

[@aviator147]

oh lol, i assumed that, but it doesnt say it any where in the vid lol

[@40joel]

I looked it up and I guess you do have to be licensed. I had heard differently. My mistake

[@Darthbelal]

what if instead of the pilot calling the tower he gives that phone number to a drunk, disgruntled, angry passenger telling him he's got to call that number?

[@RainbowManification]

The dredded phone number

[@janosvarga7902]

I think he would file a complain against the pilot. The whole point of the calling is that a) it's private b) it's not makes the freq busier c) FAA can't hear it.

[@Kosh800]

The ATC supervisor probably gets involved by sending a report to higher ups and getting the pilot suspended/license revoked.

[@rappinCheese]

why did they give him a number?

[@landmark425]

@SimAlliance If you screw up, you have to call the tower cab. One good thing comes out of that. A free plane ride home (maybe)

[@Adamd895]

I just tried calling that number---- some angry guy answered it...

[@willyz777]

I DONT GET HOW AEROMEXICO HAS THAT # ON SPEED DIAL!?!?!?

[@njoimi]

Yes it's a real number, every tower has one.

[@BoeingRules100]

Lets not forget that some of the time its the controllers fault, there are a few times id like to make a report on them! But never did because I understand they have it stressful enough as it is.

[@Sherpaful]

not totally sure what went wrong. Maybe he turned right on Zulu-Alpha?

[@AllThingsAviation]

lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

[@miguelsaez340]

what was that number for?

[@Bkeytx]

Uh Oh,

[@carde028]

@tiadaid Na I think you're absolutely right, probably have a special desk for it or something

[@jmizeski]

Why do I get the feeling that's a phone number for the FAA?

[@kdes]

@BorisKnoT : what do you think? use your mind, a wind of 360 knots ? hahaha

[@Swissflier101]

@rappinCheese in other words, it means the pilots in trouble. id like to listen to the phone conversation tho xD

[@thebeatlefan156]

@aviator147 He probably take the right onto Alpha, he probably either took a right onto Bravo on accident, went right into the ramp, or took a wrong turn.