Getting Sued AGAIN - DCS is suing Stefan fischer

[@fredfred4086]

Great video. Yesterday I found out about Stephan Fischer getting sued by DCS. Today I found out that Louis Rossman - who beat Apple (phones) when they tried to get him to remove a product review video - has made a video supporting Stephan Fischer and challenging DCS to sue him. Great to see Stephan getting support from good people like yourself and Louis. The internet community is awesome!

[@rustymustard7798]

Found out about this from Louis, now i'm here. Also Rossmann has two N's as he hilariously rants about people getting wrong every few videos lol.

[@tedmitchell226]

Louis Rossmann has found damning evidence that was scrubbed from the wayback machine on DCS Warranty but Louis had another source and found their real Warranty but Stephan Fisher has his comments turned off. Louis Rossmann is a Right to Repair force agaisn't Apple Computer and others Like John Deere and he is SHOUTING OUT agaisn't DCS Batteries and daring them to sue him

[@JH-pt6ih]

All the 4x4 people not familiar with Rossman need to find his channel - this stuff has been happening to more and more people and it can't be people staying in their niche and not caring about what is going on in other people's worlds. The "not my problem" mentality IS a problem. (wanted to watch the video but I can't take the SHOVING faces in the viewers face. TOO MUCH sensory overload).

[@SpencerHHO]

It wasn't a review video, Rossmann made a video showing people how to repair a common failure on a particular iPhone during a time when even most shops didn't know how. He's been fighting Apple and other big tech companies for years now.

[@mikenelson6630]

I too saw Louis Rossmann's video. It's interesting to note, that by using an Australian archive, he showed that DCS changed their warranty policy from 80% to also include a 70% provision, but KEPT the same change date of 14 Jun 2021. Also of note is that as of today I get a "403 Forbidden" error when trying to access the .AU site of DCS, though the 'North American DCS" site is available. What I find there are products which all seem to have 'Warranty Information Coming Soon' in the product description.

[@dustyfarmer]

I'd never heard of DCS before. Now I know all I need to need to know about DCS & their products.

[@dudemanismadcool]

This a wild coincidence. But an audiophile reviewer just made a video last week because he was getting sued by a company also called DCS over a bad review, but they happen not be a car company. What the fuck universe is this.

[@dustyfarmer]

@@dudemanismadcool Just scratched the surface of this one & it looks like there are big issues & lots of them.

[@TheChzoronzon]

Barbara approves

[@TrueFilter]

@@dudemanismadcoolwtf I thought I was going mad

[@Wyowanderer]

Yup Bunch of soft c**ts, in my opinion.

[@David365]

There is nothing anyone can do or say to “defame” DCS that could be worse than what DCS is doing to themselves.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

Exactly my thoughts haha

[@TK_Mo]

Precisely!

[@theaustralianconundrum]

@@Australian4x4Adventures A tragedy indeed. CLOWNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@cryptoclyps5049]

Exactly. These companies just never learn do they?

[@maxhugen]

There have been at least 1.5 million views of this DCS BS, across multiple YT channels. Guess DCS hasn't heard of the Streisand Effect.

[@willophuis450]

This is the worst thing DCS could do for their business, this sort of thing spreads fast in the 4x4 scene, would never buy their products after hearing about this.

[@2112user]

Spreading faster since Louis Rossman did a video. Reached well past the 4X4 scene now. Best they could do is drop the suit and HOPE they survive, because in my oppinion, if the suit goes forward and proves he is right in a court of law.... stick a fork in em, they're done.

[@fishsaysn0]

Yeah, I'll never buy their products. Banned for life.

[@scod3908]

@@2112user yep, if the Court rules in Stefan's favour, I smell repercussions from the ACCC and a possible class action against DCS DCS has wildly underestimated the stakes in slapping a lawsuit on a reviewer

[@matthansberry5795]

Just on principal will never buy their products ever

[@cavb748]

⁠ In 4x4 and everywhere else too. In the UK there is a different company called also dCS, a high end audio maker, that is doing something similar to another Yoububer (GoldenSound).

[@garysheppard4028]

I can see the "Streisand Effect" happening here. By suing him and drawing attention to this case, DCS is and their supposed failings are getting a lot more exposure than they would have if they had just let it go.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

They are definitely doing more damage to themself then Stefan ever could.

[@waynem1589]

It’s already happening, first videos that pop up when you are checking on products are this and his. DCS have made a big mistake but they have helped me decide to avoid them at all costs, so a win for me, so thanks DCS 🎉

[@Fucktard2]

100% agree, I'm here via a Lewis Rossmann video and I live in the US. Dcs is fucked.

[@theironangel767]

@@Australian4x4Adventures I know guns are largely illegal in Auz but somehow it seems like DCS has managed to get hold a shotty and are adamant about shooting themselves in the foot. Hopefully the legal system clowns on them and orders them to pay Stefan's legal fees!

[@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307]

@@Australian4x4Adventures It doesnt make any difference businesses have always had that ability!

[@MrRalphBraun]

I almost bought DCS batteries, until I saw Stefan's review, dodged a bullet with that. I will support Stefan....

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

I think they make SOME great products but not all seem to be suitable for the purpose they are sold.

[@OfficialSamuelC]

@@Australian4x4AdventuresUnfortunately it seems that regardless whether they make good products or not, they should no longer be trusted or recommended because any company who behaves like this cannot be trusted to honour any warranties or policies, or even basic returns. They could sell the best product in the off road category but I would never buy it or recommend it because of the actions of the company and the fact I couldn’t trust they wouldn’t try rip me off or even sue me if I spoke out against them. They don’t deserve any business anymore. They’ve made their bed and now they need to lie in it. If this ultimately ends up bankrupting them because business drops off, dealers drop them etc, then nobody should feel bad. They did it to themselves and tried ruining financially ruining one little persons life over their opinion of their product because they didn’t like what they said. Zero sympathy.

[@Dan8254]

​​@@OfficialSamuelC 100% agree with you here. Why should consumers continue supporting a business that is displaying very disturbing behaviour, *just because that business makes some good products* ?

[@harold2199]

@@Australian4x4Adventures LMAO no matter if they made a good product or not. They shot themselves at the foot, once a company threaten honest review as well as falsify published details publicly and delete their wayback machine page, they should never be trusted again🤡

[@larrybud]

@@Australian4x4Adventures They may, but it doesn't matter

[@biggles333999]

An ABSOLUTE mongrel act. They GAVE him the batteries to test. They didn't like his review because the batteries were not up to their advertised specifications. AND the specifications and the warranty keep changing on DCS's website. Stefan gave an honest review based on his experience. I am a pensioner but I chipped in $200 to help him. I know its a small amount but every little bit helps. DCS needs to lose this defamation case.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

It’s not the sort of action a company with a good product should be taking but it is what it is at this stage. All we can do is stand on the side we believe to be correct and every small bit helps.

[@ozyrob1]

That's very generous of you donating $200 especially being a pensioner and all. Kudos to you mate. 👍

[@biggles333999]

@@ozyrob1 I DETEST the big end of town (so to speak) tramping on the little guy, just for saying the truth. You go Stefan. More power to you.

[@douger1517]

Never buy or support anything relating to DCS….un Australian company obviously.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

I still think they make SOME good and fit for purpose products. But I do agree it seems Very un Australian to go after the little Guy

[@douger1517]

You can support them but the general Aussie that hears about this will not because of their attitude not because of their products.

[@RC-wu6gm]

​@@Australian4x4Adventures The playbook is to win a case against a weak defendant unable to afford and hence mount a proper defense. They will then use that win to silence or suppress future objective independent reviewers like him. The playbook is already working because even you do not want to mention any specifics about problems you have had in the past with their products.

[@justinnewman5533]

not convinced they are aussie. a US military company "DCSCorp" has same logo and internet has some correlations between the two. guessing DCS battey systems is a spin off them.

[@douger1517]

@@justinnewman5533 well that makes sense,

[@jacksparrow8028]

Never delt with DCS and now, just on principle, never will.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

I do think that DCS has done more damage to themself then Stefan ever could

[@hankcuccina5260]

Good on you Jack, me either.

[@Platoface]

Luis sent me. You are getting sued at a “good time”. What I mean by this is so many of us are sick of these corporate faceless heartless entities gaslighting the public with their sub par products and then use lawfare to get everyone to shut up about them.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

It does seem there is a bit of a movement against the behavior DCS is showing. Thanks for the comment

[@TK_Mo]

Your use of the word "lawfare" reminds me of Traxxas RC. Corporate bullies.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Pro tip: Under Australian law, only companies with fewer than 10 employees may sue for defamation. Large companies cannot sue in this way. So only a small company can sue for defamation. Also, truth and opinion are two key defences for defamation. (Toyota's unable to sue you for defamation, for example.) Honest opinion is how restaurant critics get away unsued after a negative review.

[@greg174videos]

Thanks for getting on board John. Stefan needs our support.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

From the information I have. I believe DCS are claiming they are exempt from that rule and therefore able to sure for deformation. Although there is some grey areas of DCS claims the courts will have to determine it unfortunately. Thank you for your support of Stefan and this fight. Will you be making any public comment ( video ) on the matter?

[@je2338]

Thanks John. As long as Stephan can provide evidence on the balance of probabilities that his research was factual and fair, then he should win and hopefully get costs. He better get his ducks in a row. I think DCS's strategy may be to settle before a hearing

[@matgee8892]

And if you watch the review videos Stefan repeatedly says that he is stating his opinion and is very fair in saying that others may have a different experience. He went out of his way to be as fair as he could be and in fact was more lenient on DCS that i would have been.

[@cyclemoto8744]

Donated to Stefan as soon as I heard of this situation via his channel and I believe anyone who watches his content should do the same. Anyone who believes in integrity, ethics, and freedom of speech should also consider supporting . Thanks for sharing Steve

[@a9ball1]

I've never given a dime to anyone but I did give money to him!

[@deceptikhon]

Thanks for the heads up, will be staying away from DCS in future.

[@jeffjohnson2792]

Stand strong. Never buy from DCS

[@jonr1122]

I'm just another viewer who will now never buy another DCS product, and will share this video on all my platforms.

[@ScotHarkins]

I also came to Stephan's today thanks to Louis Rossmann's video from 24 July, "DCS sues Small KZbinr for accurate product review showing battery issues & misleading warranty". Pretty damning when a company actually falsifies its published warranty data, and then scrubs the Wayback Machine's history of the same. Thankfully, Rossmann found an Australian library resource that also archives web sites, and the evidence is out there for all to see. You can _try_ to change your "2021" warranty from 80% to 70%, but you can't hide it forever. Time for Australia to up its game on anti-SLAPP legislation, and it is time to countersue DCS for attempting to falsify their own public record to then use in their lawsuit against Stephan. Oddly enough I came across another "dCS" suing a creator over their honest review. "The Headphone Show" posted about one of their contributors being sued over a review of an audio processing device. The company is, in this case, "dCS" (sic), for "Data Conversion Systems", and their interaction with that creator is another example of how badly some businesses are run. This seems to be the year for badly-run, ill-mannered "DCS" companies. Strange.

[@eattherich9215]

'You can try to change your "2021" warranty from 80% to 70%, but you can't hide it forever.' Discovery would have forced DCS to reveal this, but Fischer's legal team would be on top of this too.

[@Qietman]

I'm looking for Lithium batteries now for my camper. Absolutely will never consider DCS for any product ever, and make sure everyone I can in my various clubs and service organizations know that no one should give them a penny ever.

[@timfreeman2603]

I had a DCS battery fail, couldn’t get it work again and tossed in the bin.

[@jeffjohnson2792]

I've heard this from 2 of my 4x4 buddies. YMMV.

[@Absaalookemensch]

Everyone, please share the videos. Make the issue go viral. It appears there is a systemic problem with the product that the company is hiding.

[@ivansmith654]

Louis Rossmann seen here on KZbin already talked about this, he has over TWO MILLION subscribers! Louis ask for DCS to sue him, he have the money for lawyers, he said he hates bullies!

[@dbsmgmt5354]

I will, from now on, always check that their name never appears on anything I buy. Good job guys!

[@fyiaustralia9686]

This DCS issue is blowing up all over the world and hitting KZbin influencer channels - they are just digging a bigger hole for themselves.

[@ptonpc]

Shows you what the company is like. "We sell bad products. Let's sue anyone who tells others about it"

[@shipsey2]

All 4x4 KZbinrs need to get behind this unless he's a hundred percent wrong But my experience and watching his videos they seem pretty legitimate

[@jamesmcmillan2656]

Been watching his reviews for years and he’s as honest as the day is long. I dobbed in which is something I never do but this needs to send a message to others who think bullying is an option

[@Peter-xtreme]

Mate, hats off to you for making this video, I'm a long term subscriber to both you and Stefan, the integrity and honesty that you both display in your product reviews is priceless, so a big thank you for that and hopefully this will continue into the future.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

It’s all currently at risk that’s for sure. I would stop doing reviews if it’s going to cost me thousands of dollars just because a company didn’t like what I said.

[@Discoworx]

I just donated to Stephens GoFundMe campaign. I rely on reviews so we can't let those bastards win

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

Absolutely. Thanks for the support

[@tonygersbach375]

It just makes the company look petty and pathetic, in my opinion. A credible company should take the constructive criticism on board and make changes to improve the product. In my opinion of course 😅

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

😂. You’ve learnt 😆. Well done.

[@baintrain-p1b]

they dont want accountability of a product that isnt up to scratch, instead of saying how do we fix it they say see you in court

[@BillyHudson1]

they're on google maps 3 years ago leaving "edgy" replies to "fake" reviews, this disrespect isn't new it's just escalated

[@KeithHeinrich]

This is the way. The high road, show a bit of ownership for any defects and take proper care of customers, and fix the product. Would have done more for their business than all the bullying, ducking and weaving.

[@johnwest964]

If this shit goes ahead there will no longer be Honest reviews on Social Media, good onya Steve.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

That’s the fear.

[@wasbruce]

Thumbs up Steve for supporting Stefan. I recall a certain camper trailer company did a similar thing a few years back threatening all the forums to remove comments about their brand. That they resort to this tactic says alot about the quality of thier product and I think consumers are awake to it. I hope it backfires on them big-time.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

I think I know which camper trailers you are talking about too 😂

[@garyneal7098]

Oh, you talking about that redneck antivaxer who's camper trailer company stopped making camper trailers and blamed Ronny Dahl 😂😂😂

[@freefunlovin1]

@@Australian4x4Adventures don’t be silenced, tell us why you don’t run DCS. You privileged with freedom of expression in this country and in ‘you opinion’ you are allowed to say anything.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

​​⁠ I know I could say what I want and not worry about deformation. But they could send me legal letters that I would need to spend some money fighting. So even a simple opinion could cost me a few hundred just replying to legal letters. That’s the problem

[@wilcovanamersfoort6744]

And where is that brand now? Gone.

[@LockyourHubs4WDing]

I fully support Stephan here. I've had a number of companies do things like demand full page retractions of articles in national publications, retractions of videos etc. Though none have been silly enough to actually go through with the legal threats. Stephan will win, the first test for defamation is whether the statement is true or not. It's a slap suit at best. Under-bonnet lithium without active temperature controls is a bad idea, there's a reason LiFePO4 battery cell manufactures artificially age with heat........

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

It’s just a shame that it’s going to cost so much for Stefan to fight this.

[@ausguy4385]

When they have bms... that have fans... that are in a plastic box no air flow 😂 I never understood why the under bonnet ones had no active cooling. DCS has already admitted the heat effects the battery they sell... how the warranty for same battery is less if under bonnet.

[@diggeroldmate8122]

absolutely 100% correct. It's his honest opinion. Sorted.

[@emu4wd]

@@LockyourHubs4WDing it’s not as simple as whether true or not. It’s how it’s interpreted. Unfortunately. Just like a human saying I identify as a dog but is it true?

[@LockyourHubs4WDing]

@@emu4wd the first test of if defamation has occurred, is whether it's true or not, if it's true, then no matter how much the company doesn't like it, it's not defamatory, in the eyes of the law.

[@leokimvideo]

Louis Rossmann sent me here, explained this nasty situation and considering how terms & conditions were changed by DCS I would be informing the ACCC. From all I have heard I will do my very best to always avoid DCS equipment. Again thanks to Louis over there in the USA for looking into web archives to reveal the nasty truth. Anyway I don't get free product, I find companies totally avoid me.

[@ozyrob1]

Great to see the KZbin community getting behind Stefan. 👍

[@heftymerv]

Thanks for sharing his battle... Donated today.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

Sometimes bringing more attention to a subject is enough to help. Thanks for donating.

[@RobNMelbourne]

I'm not a lawyer but I am a retired marketing exec and understand consumer law. First principle of defamation ... if it is true then it is not slander. The overwhelming opinion of DCS customers on the internet supports Stephan's opinion being the truth.

[@shipsey2]

What happened to free speech can't o anything without the risk of being sued these days

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

Seems that way

[@PryamidDreamer]

There's no free speech laws in Australia, people forget we're not America 😂

[@brendanedwards2277]

@@PryamidDreamer Yep, too many people watching American movies and thinking all their laws are the same here!

[@mjpt57]

Unfortunately, here in Australia there is no legislated "right to free speech". The closest is a High Court of Australia ruling of a "right to implied free political speech", whatever that means. Because we have no Bill of Rights, any so-called freedoms that we have are at the whim of the government of the day. Look at how freedom of movement, especially across state borders was banned during covid. While defamation laws have been improved to make it harder for frivolous law suits to happen, they still can happen if you have deep enough pockets and if the courts will allow it.

[@purebloodnordicroamer7955]

We live in a nanny country. No free speech.

[@hankcuccina5260]

I won't be buying DCS products. Good on you Stefan.

[@tbillington]

Never heard of dcs before, but the Streisand effect has kicked in for them now.

[@damiensimpson9648]

Good on you Steve. Would be good to see others like Pat Callinan, 4wd 247 get on board, get some big clout behind. I seem to remember seeing a certain someone on FB who is a "supporter" of DCS continually tear into another companies product (black with orange)... There would be far more cause to to go after him than DCS after Stefan.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

Unfortunately the big guys rely to much on sponsorship dollars to keep them afloat. Which is perfectly fine as well. They are running a business and need to stay impartial to stuff like this. But it’s the smaller guys like Stefan and myself that don’t rely on the KZbin income to pay out bills. We just want to share our honest opinions with you good folk so you don’t waste your hard earned money on a sub par product.

[@travelsolo2677]

It’s a sad society when someone gives his honest opinion from an experience and then has to deal with the stress and financial burden to fight for his reputation. Good on Stephan and wish him luck. Do you have a link to his Go Fund Me page? I would love to help him 🇦🇺🇦🇺 the Aussie way is to help the little guys fight big business bullying 👍👍

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

If you look in the description of the video all the details are there. KZbin doesn’t let me post links in the comment section unfortunately.

[@travelsolo2677]

@@Australian4x4Adventures haha I need to go to Specsavers 😬😂😂

[@MxODraconis]

The comments are off on his video, and they have no basis for defamation and it'll not go anywhere.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

I believe he has been advised to turn commenting off by his lawyers

[@Pat.Mustard]

Yeah. Anyone can initiate court proceedings. DCSs claims will never stand up to any real scrutiny. Still, they’re making Stephan pay for it.

[@Neberheim]

Unfortunately it will be expensive even if it goes nowhere. It appears that there are no equivalents to anti-SLAPP laws in Queensland, though I hope I just missed it.

[@MOORE4U2]

​@@Neberheim I thought Australian courts followed a "loser pays" system for civil suits? Karl Jobst mentioned it in his spat with Billy Mitchell.

[@Aidan.17]

I found out about this from Louis Rossman despite following many 4x4 channels. DCS are now well known by electronic and computer enthusiasts across the entire planet for literally all the wrong reasons.

[@CooeeAdventures]

Wow!, CHOICE does the same thing, reviews products and lists pros and cons. In fact many websites do this. DCS should have looked at the weak points of their product and improved upon it

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

I would of thought a good company would take the feedback on board and try their very best to improve the product

[@Frank-Thoresen]

DCS just adjusted the warranty policy and left the date unchanged. Watch Louis Rossmann's latest video on DCS and this case. He was furious.

[@CooeeAdventures]

@@Frank-Thoresen Good bloke

[@apistosig4173]

Support Sent - we run DC batteries in my partners van and we're looking to replace these - thanks for the presentation.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

Glad it was helpful!

[@bland-b7e]

No company ever sued it's way to greatness.

[@philhealey4443]

Just saw some U.S. interest from Louis Rossman discovering DCS quietly diluted their warranty terms but incorrectly stated they had not updated. Not a bunch I'd buy from. When I broke my Cannondale bike frame, did they wriggle ? No, they unquestioningly gave me a new one. No guesses on what brand my next bike was. How did DCS expect this PR train wreck to go?

[@ianbailey4114]

Litigation is not about going to court it is about settlement. Court is a big risk.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

The problem is lawyers still cost a lot of money to settle outside of court

[@sammyd7857]

Only a child would use a lawyer

[@Handleyman]

It is completely legal to have an “opinion”. If you say “this product is crap”, there could be a problem. If on the other hand you say “In my opinion this product is crap”, no problem. Because it’s your opinion and not a statement of fact. What’s more, if they actually ask you to review their product, they don’t have a leg to stand on. Australians need to avoid purchasing from this company at all costs.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

I feel 90% of this legal action is a scare tactic to get Stefin’s to take his videos down and the other 10% is ego

[@yamahaamp8892]

Thanks for being so upfront with your thoughts. We need to spread the word fast & far like wildfire about the "suspected" dodgy business practices of DCS. Whether it's fair dinkum or not, I'm sure our legal system will back us up and show that speaking honestly is a right for everyone, no matter if you're cashed-up or doing it tough.

[@contagionisafraud]

We are united and will support freedom of unbiased reviews and expression! DCS is dead to me.

[@JesseHires]

Here in the states that is known as a SLAPP lawsuit. If the case gets dismissed and it can be proven that it was filed to silence or harrass, then the target can then file a SLAPPBack lawsuit to claim damages for emotional distress, punitive damages, and other cost. When this came about it only took a few SLAPPBacks before companies started to realize maybe it was a bad idea. Does Australia have something similar? If not, are there people in government who can push something like this?

[@WeberEnthusiast]

Only found out about this today . Like you said this battle needs to be win by stefan for all creators. We all give reviews from our own experience and use of products whether we buy them or receive. If DCS win this the days of none bias reviews will be gone . Creators like us should be allowed to share our true experience with products we test , without fear of being sued for being true and honest . Great video I’ll goo support Stephans Fight 👍👍👍

[@mountainconstructions]

I'll being doing my best at every opportunity to steer people away from DCS

[@henrya1051]

Well done for raising awareness. I noticed that Product Review Website has deleted some DCS suspicious positive reviews and warned against Dotson again. DCS have a customer satisfaction score of 1.1 on that site. So when you piece the obvious together you would run 100 miles from any of their products. With decision making reaches this level of reaction sometimes I wonder how businesses can get as far as they do. Talk about own goal. I certainly wouldn’t be buying anything that they sell any time soon.

[@VideoShowMeHow]

I was so surprised by this, imo there didn't seem to be anything in his vids on that product that wasn't truthful, I felt like he gave them a bunch of chances and the product simply didn't do what it was advertised to do eg: work under a bonnet/engine bay. This seems like truth defence would easily apply here. The law is pretty clear with that. My concern here is the impact of this whole thing, eg apply legal pressure to anything unfavorable, never intending to go to court but pursue settlement - remove vids/post and $$$. Worrying times for legit people putting in the (insane) amount of work producing media to help others out with these reviews (and how to stuff in my little case).

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

I fear this is already setting the president for legal action to become the first course of action for companies with “ sub par “ products. I think companies with truthly good products would work more closely with the creator to help improve the product rather then throw legal action there way.

[@jamestanner9198]

@@Australian4x4Adventures Car makers gave been throwing people with warranties under the bus for ages

[@darkerbinding6933]

Yup, another company on my Blacklist. #BoycottDCS

[@lucysoutdoors]

Your are a good man for spreading the word.👍👍👍, I watched those reviews at that time and he had help from his Auto electrician testing those battery's

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

I’ve always thought he’s reviews were fair and well shown so I would be surprised if they find any misinformation within he’s publication

[@Bigcountry_littlelegs]

Its great your supporting stephen with this, have donated to his legal fund.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

Just trying to help keep our rights free for everyone

[@jabezhane]

Didnt a hi-fi company called DCS threaten a hi-fi reviewer a few weeks ago? Seems any company called DCS is a bad thing.

[@OskaBc1]

Correct, absolutely insane that two companies with exactly the same name doing the same thing, at the same time.

[@idianmansjur2673]

Yes, that audio company DCS backed down, apologised and reach out to the reviewer to improve their product. How this DCS behave remain to be seen.

[@RobertRobert-d2r]

With you Buddy. Thank John Cadogan for bringing your plight to our attention and suggesting we subscribe. Done.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

Welcome aboard!

[@Kyle_Moss]

They lost me after the video of the owner of dcs was driving over the vegetation on the dunes on fraser island came out. Then tried to blame everyone and everything and wouldn't take accountability..

[@1nando632]

Defamation requires that what is being stated is untrue and or false by the party making the statement/s. As long as Steffan can prove that his statements are true and in accordance with his honest and unbiased experience then DCS has no case. In the meantime however, he'll have to spend money fighting it unfortunately. These issues are usually best resolved early on prior to legal action.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

I’m confident that DCS doesn’t have a valid case and they are trying to use their wallet to make him go away as he has been fairly vocal in telling ppl his opinion on the product. But it’s tactics like that that will also scare ppl from sharing their true opinion. Even if Stefin’s is 100% correct. It’s still going to cost him ALOT of money to prove it. At least this could set the standard for other companies that may try to bully ppl because there products are sub par.

[@wasbruce]

Unfortunately having a legally defencable position is not free. This is where the problems lies. Because KZbinrs do not have the resources of large companies It's just not worth the risk of getting stepped on, and the viewing public ends up only seeing what advertisers pay for.

[@andrewt3952]

Ha , I wonder if I can be sued by DCS by saying they are wankers. Hope so! It’d be funny watching them in court arguing that they had never tampered with themselves inappropriately! Seriously, good chance it’ll backfire in this space. I will say, DCS are very expensive!

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

@andrewt3952 hahaha. Saying they like to pleasure them self isn’t deformation so I think your safe

[@chrishalstead4405]

They are relying on the fact that he can’t afford to fight it. Bastards.

[@OnCountryWithMick]

Best of luck to him. I don't generally watch his content but I have seen a few things and I feel him to be pretty honest about things. It sure is a worry that this sort of thing can happen, I've done a couple of videos where I believe products are rubbish or not up to the standard they claim. These videos are based on my experiences with them the same as Stefan's are and this should never be a problem for any of us. I will be giving a donation soon and have shared his video on my page previously.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

It’s definitely a risk as a creator that’s for sure. I think creators more so need to get involved and help this go the way it should go. Or it’s going to be very hard for us in the future.

[@OnCountryWithMick]

@@Australian4x4Adventures Agreed mate. There are too many people pushing rubbish products already, we need people to be comfortable being honest in their reviews.

[@catfishcalais]

Donation made to the Gofund me page, thank you for sharing and helping Stefan with his case Steve!!

[@mark123655]

And Louis Rossmann (US YTer with 2+ M subscribers) as just posted about this. The Streisland effect has just blown up even more.

[@caver6292]

Guess they are now on my shyte list....had never heard of DCS and have always held Aussie products in high esteem, but DCS is now on the "do not support corner"

[@childofthelight888]

In Queensland, a company with more than 10 employees generally cannot sue for defamation under the Defamation Act 2005 (Qld). The law specifies that only individuals, certain not-for-profit organisations, and small businesses with fewer than 10 employees can bring a defamation action. If a company with more than 10 employees wants to address defamatory statements, they may need to explore other legal avenues, such as claims for injurious falsehood or misleading and deceptive conduct under the Australian Consumer Law.

[@highcountryrob5534]

When I started going 4WDing,camping with my old FJ40 many moons ago we relied on word of mouth etc for gear reviews.Now we have KZbin content creators that test and review all these new products that are flooding the market.”SOME” KZbinrs are unbiased in their reviews and disclose if the item has been loaned or given to them.As we know,that for all the good gear that is available the vast majority of products are just junk,crap or landfill!I wish Stephan all the best in his legal proceedings,but I would like to see DCS and Stephan resolve this matter outside of the Court.No one is a winner in the end! Thanks for posting this video.👍

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

I’m hopeful it will be resolved outside of court as it’s less costly for Stefan.

[@MKMTA]

Well said Steve, Stefan is doing a great thing here by fighting the "honest options" that are delivered for product reviews by KZbinrs... As you mentioned, this affects us all. Not just for product reviews, it will extend to things like trip & touring reviews. You won't be able to post any negative reviews on any social media about ANYTHING if this gets through. It will open the flood gates on every review ever done 😢.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

I don’t think the law will back every situation of a negative review. I think the main problem here is the threat of legal action and how expensive it is to fight. DCS don’t just need to lose they need to be made to pay for Stefan’s cost too. So future ppl trying to bully others really think about it first because if they are wrong it could be a very expensive experience for them.

[@Discoworx]

This is nuts. His review was balanced and the technical work was carried out by an experienced third party.

[@DanielAde-oz7zy]

Is there an honest company?They wouldn't be doing the lawsuit.They're trying to make money and not care about the customers.In my opinion that they're doing lawsuits because they can't handle an honest revere should take that constructive courtism and correct or improve the product

[@marcusreuben4865]

Good on you for bringing this up. I’ll definitely be helping

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

Legend. Lots more of little bits makes big bits.

[@zelda2289]

This video came up in my recommendations. I’ve never seen this channel or Stephan’s before, not even into 4wd. Strange how KZbin’s algorithm works. The title got me and I watched it to the end, this sounds like a SLAPP suit, try and shut the little guy by burying him under legal costs. I will find his go fund me and donate out of principle. I have no idea who DCS is, but I know I don’t like their business model, and if I saw a product with their name I would buy the competitors. Rant over

[@richwhetton]

I’ve contributed to his Go Fund me, but I think what we might be seeing is the ‘Influencing’ business is reaching a level of maturity where insurance policies will be required going forward same as most other businesses.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

It’s definitely something both Stefan and myself have looked into since all of this has come about.

[@avanap8096]

Pretty good of (and slightly surprised that he even knew about it) Louis Rossman to put out a VERY supportive video.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

Apparently Stephen and him have been talking which is what bought it to his attention

[@avanap8096]

@@Australian4x4Adventures 👍

[@johncarne1055]

THAT company needs to be BOYCOTTED..my personal opinion is they must have a usa connection and sue at the drop of a hat..BLOODY SOOKS.. thanks to all those putting out the story. And SUPPORT STEFAN.

[@DD-vw4eu]

Thank you for the heads up. Travelling off-road in Namibia and looking at batteries for my solar system I now know which to stay clear of.

[@kymhaniford]

It is great to see honest KZbin reviewers sticking up for each other when companies pull a dirty on them. Keep up the good work :)

[@Wrenchmonkey1]

Love to see KZbinrs supporting other KZbinrs. Heard about this story from Louis Rossmann. Thanks for adding your voice to raise awareness as well. Whether you have 2000 subs or 2Million, this is worth sharing with your audience.

[@webreakforsquirrel4201]

If they sue you the burden of proof is on them. Its weird for a supposedly reputable company to attack a customer. Says a lot about what is important to the company and how they treat it's customers. At this point it's not about if the product they make is good or not its about what some meanie on the internet said about the quality of our product that really matters. So be aware that if the product you buy is junk and you are dissatisfied about it they will try to wreck your life for supporting their business to begin with.

[@paul-57]

I came across this on a US KZbin channel by Louis Rossmann which exposed what appears to be missleading warranty information on the dcs website. Stefan has paused comments, not sure why. Hope he stands against this. I'll donate to his go fund me.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

He’s lawyer have advised him to turn them off just to be sure that it can’t be used against him. He wants them on but it’s costing him enough money as it is he doesn’t want to risk making anything harder for himself

[@saxon4065]

Well done DCS, brilliant marketing!! The damage to your product and company is done whatever the court outcome.

[@OffTheBeatenPathAus]

Good onyou Steve for rising awareness of this. Your right this affects everyone not just stephen or other content creators

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

Thanks mate. I feel it effects the wider community more then ppl will realize

[@aron2199]

I am not sure what legals one has to agree to when receiving free ‘review’ product- I wonder perhaps if there’s some clauses upon the basis which he is being sued? Lawyers are very good are drawing clauses which seem innocuous but can be used to one party’s benefit without the other expecting it to be used in such way

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

I’ve been asked to sign contracts before receiving products and I’ve always refused as it’s basically a gag order. As far as I’m aware Stefan is the same and he had no formal or informal agreement with DCS or any other company

[@rayzor3463]

He actually has his own terms and conditions that those giving him the products agree too, main gist of it being that they don’t get to dictate what he says but for higher end items they can review prior to publication and correct any info that is wrong, stuff like if he’s said 'they cost this amount' when they don’t or that 'they are rated to output 20A' but it’s actually 30A so mainly misquoting of spec type info and the rest of his review is mainly based on his experience using the items and that may differ from other people’s experiences due to different vehicles and family size along with trip lengths, what works for him on a month long trip with four people might not be the best option for a couple going away for the weekend and vice versa.

[@jamestanner9198]

The youtube community need to get together and support him. Its a no brainer

[@coffeegator6033]

Who is ever going to buy a dcs product after this? Also DCS has a youtube channel. They had the comments turned on the last time I looked....

[@simmogj]

An engineer is the US pulled a dcs battery apart, the 'quality' build!! He even claimed there was a human hair in the assembly. He was stunned at the price and quality standard of the build and cells.

[@The_Last_Ninja]

If this court case is successful the final outcome will be that if you even go into a restaurant and don’t like their food for example and tell the staff or review it online ie Google reviews you could be sued for defimation. Common sense has to prevail in this case as everybody’s thoughts and opinions are just that, they belong to the person expressing them, not to the company or business that is being reviewed. Just like art, food, clothes, cars, houses and the list goes on, everyone has differing thoughts and feelings towards them. To be honest, this line of thinking/expression must be defended no matter the cost involved, otherwise it’s a slippery slope indeed!

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

Exactly why we need to fight this.

[@PandaSoft]

The question been asked in the courts right now is if DCS is a small business. If they are a small business then they will be able to begin legal proceedings to sue him.

[@JohnYoung-m4j]

Never heard of DCS, who are they? My views on this subject is if some company asked me to to try out there products to see if they are up to the standards i think they should be, then I would be expected to report my comments to the public who are listening or watching my program. I personally have seen many products on line not coming up to the standards you would expect them to have. If this is the case should the person trying out the product lie to the people listening or and watching him just to make the manufacturers feel better, I think not. Supplying any products to a user for testing comes with its risks, you could get wonderful results or possibly not so good results. In this particular case it just worked out against the manufactures, but instead of accepting the results the tester gave they are saying he got it wrong. So now they are going to Sue him and make him pay for him telling the truth. The right thing for the manufacturers to have done would to say we see what has happened and will now look at the ways to improve the product to make sure we get it right next time and thank the tester for pointing to the short falls in there product. In my opinion after spending nearly 40 years as a retail sales manager I have never come across anything like this before. Jon

[@TheZeusIsHere1]

Poor form from DCS 👎👎

[@boredymcboredface8624]

Keep doing what you do mate meanwhile everyone else can spam DCS with “wtf are you doing”

[@craigtomkinson2837]

Lovely ep and good on you

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

Thanks

[@regkershaw]

So much for freedom of speech and the right to call out these businesses that provide fuse goods and getting away with it.. As a customer you should be allowed to speak up about faulty products and its up to these companies to provide the products to the customer without hidden information..

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

And that is exactly what I’m afraid is at risk. If Stefan looses this then everyone else will be too afraid to share their true thoughts

[@mjpt57]

@@Australian4x4Adventures one of the unintended consequences could be that people may stop reviewing products altogether. Right now, social media is a good and cheap advertising outlet for companies. Or, the reviewers may review a product, return it to the company and not post a video on it if it's shit. But if it's good, then a positive review may be published. Problem though, is that so-called influencers will gush over their freebies even though they're garbage. And consumers suffer. These influencers would need to be careful too, in case they're taken to task over their "reviews" if they're proved to be false and misleading. Whatever happens, this is a crucial case and needs to be put to bed.

[@aubreyadams7884]

Australia needs SLAPP laws like some USA states. SLAPP = Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation, which are meritless defamation or damages actions designed to intimidate and punish people for speaking in opposition to commercial interests.

[@elliotcrain2383]

Love it...gonna go start a KZbin channel and spread the word

[@jimmya9579]

cool channel, thanks for making content!

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@wizzyno1566]

This is getting out of hand for DCS. Excellent.

[@4xoverland]

In my experience, defamation of character can only be applied if is directed to towards an individual or group of individuals. One cannot defame a product or even a company. If this was possible sites like Trustpilot and Product Review could not exist. And no one can be sued for an opinion. If this was possible, we'd be living in North Korea. He didn't review the company, but products the company makes. Its an opinion based on his experience - and his alone. If they think Stefan's review will hurt sales, wait an while. This action may do 100-time more harm than any review could. Now everyone is talking about it. Who is going to talk about their products with this threat hanging over their heads? And should the business fail because of it, they will blame Stefan. When they pulled the trigger themselves.

[@Australian4x4Adventures]

I’ve said since I first heard about all of this, that DCS is doing more damage to itself then Stefan or almost any KZbinr could ever do. If they just done nothing it would have all fizzled out eventually and nothing more then a distant memory of a bad few weeks from a video. But you are entirely correct. They pulled the trigger not Stefan

[@Mr_Meowingtons]

This company just Fed up BIG time! the Streisand effect is real you cant just mute someone because they had a bad experience this is a time to grow and learn from bad feedback. as a ham radio op we use batteries like this and ill never get one for them