Track battle: 2020 Ford Focus ST vs Honda Civic Type R | Autocar

[@robertcarmona04]

I wish this Focus would of came to the US, still love my 2017 ST it’s fun as hell to drive everyday, awesome daily

[@thepassionofthegoose5472]

Looks clean, too. ST is a great choice.

[@mikesanto69]

The one thing I really love about the Focus ST is its lift-throttle-oversteer in fast corners....basically the car rotates like a rear wheel drive car and that is awesome and way better than pushing/understeer in the corner!!!! The 2013+ cars did it too and the stock rubber that came on them was decent too but I would have loved to drive one that had a fresh set of TOYO R888's on it. One thing I hated was the Recaro seat option. I'm 6' 235 and it was like being in a coffin.....the stock non-Recaro seats were great. The Recaros in the Mustang were much wider than the Focus ST which never made sense to me

[@kyleatherton88]

its a shame for you guys in the US. ford is an american company but honestly the past 30 or so years you guys have really missed out on fast fords. in the UK we have had so many over the years. back in the day if you owned any ford with a "cosworth" badge on the back you where a king 😎😂. nowadays they are worth an absolute fortune. tge mk2 focus st and rs are my favourite. 5cyl engines engine notes 🙌. you guys missed out on those too

[@danielleroux6490]

Let's all do our part: call or write Ford U.S. Customer Relationship Center and tell them what their American customers want. If we all contact them, maybe they'll realize it's a profitable business decision to bring the Focus ST 6 spd manual transmission to the US/North American market. Wouldn't hurt to ask for the Fiesta ST and/or the Puma ST 6 speed manual as well! Ford Motor Company Customer Relationship Center P.O. Box 6248 Dearborn, MI 48126 Ford U.S. Phone: [phone]

[@fabian2632]

3:23 The fuel cover flips open upon cornering..

[@mohammadrasoulfard-habibi3066]

I know right 😂

[@ChopStickZero]

you can see that it wasnt fastened.

[@fantheman1126]

It's an air brake!!

[@jareknowak8712]

Car screams: IM HUNGRY!

[@PiroFyre]

I wonder if this is a common problem. I know a Type-R owner that has to constantly close the door because it just opens automatically all the time.

[@micklawrence2630]

Very close .... type r has got rave reviews everywhere..... type r = RS not the St so st has come a long way 👍🏼

[@jannowak8951]

Is it? RS is four wheel drive which makes a bit of a difference compared to Type R. More power too. Still, I agree with your conclusion.

[@tropikal-1747]

@@jannowak8951 The Type R is in the same performance bracket as cars like the Focus RS, STI, Golf R, etc. All while being FWD.

[@tommy4862]

They cost the same money so ST vs Type R. Honda doesnt have a competitor to RS.

[@abaj006]

If you watch the video closely, the driver missed a shift on the type R, just before the finish line. So I would take these lap times with a huge grain of salt.

[@kongxiong6005]

@@tommy4862 only thing I get out of this is that the ST is the better buy vs the RS.

[@34A1A]

either way the ST put up a hell of a fight

[@PeakPerformanceReviews]

Doesn’t surprise me that it’s so close, Ford have nailed it with this car, reviewed both of these on our channel and agree with all your comments about both. Great vid guys 👌😎

[@OldManOnTrak]

I can't tolerate the looks of the Type-R although I admire what it can do. The ST is less than half a second slower, and probably the better road car - I'd take the Focus

[@Shane-zx4ps]

The type r is a brilliant road car with the suspension settings, so it’s better then the focus everywhere, what do you expect it’s only a ford...

[@richardjallen1980]

Amen to that @quiller95

[@gabrielgonzalez9547]

@@Shane-zx4ps and the Honda is only a Honda!

[@rhydynamic8306]

But in my opinion, I have mixed thoughts on the Type-R. It does well, but the rear end looks like it got smushed by Godzilla.

[@richardjallen1980]

@bapster man clearly a Honda fanboy. Did you actually watch the video? The verdict was nowhere near as clear cut as you suggest. One chose the Honda, one the Ford. And Ford Performance are on a real roll at the moment. The Fiesta ST is widely recognised as the best in its class and the Focus ST also getting v good reviews. Type R clearly a great driver's car...if you can get over the looks

[@Mctab]

The ST is the winner for me, its not out there to beat the typer r that's what the rs is for. Let's be honest it was down on power and still kept up. Yes tyres make a difference but they were both on good sets of tyres.

[@jmarston1043]

well said

[@georgeyy_coop]

Kept up? Run 20 laps of this circuit and see how well it's keeping up. Would be almost half a lap by that point. I imagine the type R wouldn't misshift going onto the straight every lap like it did this one, so it'd only get worse for the ST

[@bat33.12]

The Civic Type R FK8 is £450 cheaper than the ST

[@jmarston1043]

@@bat33.12 yes but imagine having to drive around trying ur best to avoid meeting a ST on the road let alone the RS when ur in a Type R, even tho the "Type R" is supposed to be the top spec of the Honda Civic's it is a bit embarrassing knowing you can just keep up with a Focus ST - which is 2nd best to the RS

[@zealeau]

@@jmarston1043 i was inside a Focus RS and could not wait for the ride to finally end , my whole body was hurting , its not always about top speed but also on total car performance and the type r is a beauty to ride with .. if you sit inside one you will understand the difference ... also if i am not wrong the RS is much more expensive than the Type r ?

[@bazzab1000]

Tires could potentially play a big part in those lap times.

[@andrewwest5344]

tyres also play a part too :)

[@INUMIMI28]

It does, and probably downforce for the Type-R as well

[@alexoliver2608]

.44 is a lot closer than I thought it would be, but it's only a 47 second lap. I think a lap around the Nurburgring would be seconds difference.

[@purgex861]

.44 seconds slower for a car you can drive all day everday is impressive. Also the Sound in the ST is much better and how it should be in a hothatch 💪🏼

[@denniskwok7613]

The engine sound in the Ford is partly synthetic though. The Type-R sounds great in real life. Also, the Type-R would be perfectly fine as a daily.

[@jareknowak8712]

Comparing Focus to Honda. Possible only in UK and 'Murica.

[@purgex861]

@Ken Healy yea hopefully, i bought one 😅

[@jareknowak8712]

Hopefully they used right headgasket this time.

[@williambellisIII]

@@jareknowak8712 You can easily drive the Type R "all day everyday." LOTS of people comfortably and happily daily drive it.

[@charliejohn1]

I have a 2014 Focus ST and I'm still in love with it. I'm still in shock about why Ford stopped selling the Focus STs in the US. It is a great car.

[@sassythesasquatch8006]

way more of a market for it in europe

[@TravelWBrennanMegan]

@@sassythesasquatch8006 I can attest to that. I used to sell for Ford. People would come in to test drive an ST, but needed an automatic 🤦🤦

[@sassythesasquatch8006]

@@TravelWBrennanMegan yup wayyyy different culture out there when it comes to driving

[@dawnhazelwood6977]

Brennan Perry g

[@Chewygsxr]

Charlie Cobra Me too, I have a 14 Fiesta ST and love, I was going to get the new one but Ford pulled the plug, big mistake. ST’s rule.

[@soundseeker63]

You have to give it to Ford chassis engineers...The Focus is about 40bhp down on the Honda yet it very nearly kept up! No way could it do that if the chassis, suspension and brakes weren't on point. The price though..... For £26/27k it would be the obvious class leader but £32k is a BIG jump over the old ST. In fact thats the same price as the old RS!!

[@bat33.12]

Add in the performance pack and that takes the ST to £33,000

[@xIcarus227]

Actual price is lower, that's just Ford's bullshit list prices. I think everyone I've seen who's bought one has had it for around 30k with pretty much every option.

[@arifazar786]

@@bat33.12 That is an interesting point.. The ST was suppose to be an affordable hot hatch.. At that price, it isn't..

[@williambellisIII]

While it's yet another entertaining video from Autocar, what does half a second matter to the vast majority of buyers? They're both relatively quick cars. Ok, great. The question I'd ask myself is this: which one is more engaging and enjoyable to drive? (Also think brand loyalty is a major decision factor here.)

[@HesteBremse]

Set aside even Brand loyalty, the Civic is screaming I am fast, and the ST is a nearly a sleeper for the untrained eye. So if Track days are not really your thing and you are not the only one to decide on which car to buy properly the ST will be the choice - while if you are into track days and you do not care how other people might look at you in your car, then the Civic is the one to have. But personally I like them both, but I find the new Focus design not so engaging - it is a more mature and practical design with a global DNA fitting more markets, while the Civic still is the stand out from the crowd hot hatch no matter where you will drive it. I would certainly have more considerations between the last generations where the Focus had a much more distinctive look. But perhaps all this will change with a Focus RS version.

[@rsclayy]

Love my mk3 focus rs but these new st’s look quick, excited to see the rs

[@michaeldeadwyler4034]

More like which one is more reliable.

[@HelloHi-tt5sl]

@William Also reliability has a major part to play. One back in the day Stood for Fix Or Repair Daily (FORD) apparently and the other well Ive got the EP3 civic Type R from 2005 150k miles on the clock rev to near 9k.

[@EliteGi]

The track is very short with slower corners - you can bet the difference on a full length track will be amplified to a couple of seconds

[@samgab]

Great review, as I'm considering both of these cars. Whoever flies your drone does a great job. Good videography all round, in fact.

[@vinodramluckan4099]

That time difference is very small, the new ST is quite impressive.

[@lungulet]

No, it is not small! Half of a second on a 47 seconds lap it is huge! Go for 10 laps and you live the Focus behind for 6 seconds. And this is a very small and narrow trak, the Honda didn't had the chance to use all the power and speed it is capable of.

[@vinodramluckan4099]

@@lungulet I do get your point, however I do think the civic type R is a lot more of a track focused car than the ST, also the civic is more powerful, I guess most people who would buy these car's will never push them to these limits on track, for that reason I think hands down the Focus will be the easier Car to live with daily for year's to come. However I do love the civics track ability, just not to keen on the aggressive styling. Cheers.

[@BrunoSantos-ie2nx]

@@lunguletthe brand new Focus RS will tell you a story

[@ashdog236]

Lungu Gabriel it’s the ST though, the Honda should be MUCH faster, it’s not even Fords fastest hatch. That’s the RS which will clearly be faster than the Honda!

[@xIcarus227]

@@lungulet come on dude, what's the deal with using 10 laps to exaggerate your point? The result is the same. Half a second difference on a 47 second lap is really not bad for a car with 40 less horsepower and which isn't built to be a track car. The ST did very well.

[@oferaloferal796]

Does not happen much for me these days, that I enjoy a car review so much that I actually tune in on a normal x1 speed and sit tight beginning to end.. well done guys and thank you!

[@Strikeitbigtime]

The Focus ST look's like a bus on wheels going round them corners , The Type R looks so much better , when you see them on the road, they look awesome , a proper mean looking sports hatch

[@xIcarus227]

To each their own, being in the market for a hot hatch I think the Type-R looks ridiculous at the back. This ST is too restrained in the front though, it looks just like a regular ST-Line. The back is much nicer though.

[@markacevedo441]

I knew for sure the Type R would be quicker but am quite surprised how fast the new ST is comparably, And they went up to the 2.3 from the 2 liter!?

[@xIcarus227]

@Dr Beechas for real though, you probably don't want much more than 300HP on a FWD car. That 2.3 block in stock form is good for 400-420HP, which is more than enough.

[@gumpy4960]

Half a second over such a short lap is good, but that miss shift cost time, not sure why he couldn’t just re do the lap

[@pjkf01]

No kidding. It was a pretty substantial flub-up. I think it would have reflected greatly in the time.

[@corone2018]

Gumpy 49 cause he owns the ST

[@georgeyy_coop]

Artificially creating competition 😂

[@rubbish6017]

They probably did a few laps a piece and chose the faster of the laps between both cars.

[@georgeyy_coop]

@@rubbish6017 and didn't show the footage from that lap? Seems odd if you're going to record your hot laps.

[@Ikakusya]

Spot on review. You guys are getting there:)

[@georgenestoridis3452]

This duo is really entertaining. Keep going !

[@frankmolina6910]

The Focus ST it's one of the best cars there is for the budget price...

[@8SpeedNate]

not anymore

[@Diguez]

@@8SpeedNate who is first ?

[@richardbaker696]

Type R has grown on me - it looks dramatic rather than ugly

[@jo05dk]

I'm VERY impressed by the ST here. Nice to know there is a non-horrible looking alternative.

[@DBABAE]

Lost 0.5sec or more coming out the final corner with that miss-shift and banging on the limiter lol

[@anavarro4385]

On their video: Track battle: 2019 VW Golf GTI TCR vs Honda Civic Type R, he makes 46.60sec so there you go

[@SJcrib]

As a owner of this ST, i gotta say it... Screw honda and their aero. But seriously, the new ST is a blast and i can't complain what so ever, just love it.

[@Baasicstuff]

ST is the first sport car/hatch that Ive not modified, its perfect.

[@shshh-fw9eh]

Love these cars and hope they will exist well into the next few decades.

[@bertrerbear]

Well I'm happy the ST lives on over seas but it looks too egg like in shape it looks really bad but looks good Performance wise, the type R and ST need to trade some body characteristics to balance them out lol

[@esariasesarias3793]

Is michel better than continental contact 6, I didn't understend what you speek.

[@chrishallatt]

Half a second lost easy with the miss shift in the type r lol

[@STEVEBHPDEVON]

The st has 30ps less and as seen more fun the nurburgring isn't just down the road ,wishing was lol

[@nestorcabrales3983]

1st car I had was Honda Si 4thg but my ST is life .

[@Mike604]

11:51 Look how the speedometer stays at 86 on the civic type r. They did this on purpose to make the Ford seem better than it is. Otherwise why are they using the false lap time???

[@markacevedo441]

He missed the shift, you can see him fumbling with the stick and the redline shift lights flashing, still only a few tenths on the lap which is surprising for the lesser focus (opposed to RS)

[@Mike604]

@@markacevedo441 My point is they still used THAT lap time. It should be invalid.

[@sneakerjoe23]

Omg who cares? Stop being a 12 year old civic fan boy and realize the lap time wasn’t even the most important part of the video

[@NaijaBull]

Vtec has nothing to do with turbo lag, it's tuned to maintain power top end all the way to redline

[@paulb7200]

Quick question and apologies if I missed it but did you have the focus st in race mode for this comparison?

[@PiroFyre]

I am curious what tires they put on this car. All I could find was that they're Michelins. Other then that, I wish it came to the US as I would've waited for this with the performance pack instead of getting a Veloster N w/ performance pack. This car just looks more normal and looks like it drive more mental than the Veloster N. Plus, to beat a Type-R that comes stock with the Continental SportContact6 on a small go-kart type track, that's quite good. The N would need a much better tire than the PZ4s that comes stock with it if it wants to have a chance to beat a Type-R on a similar track.

[@danielleroux6490]

Let's all do our part: call or write Ford U.S. Customer Relationship Center and tell them what their American customers want. If we all contact them, maybe they'll realize it's a profitable business decision to bring the Focus ST 6 spd manual transmission to the US/North American market. Wouldn't hurt to ask for the Fiesta ST and/or the Puma ST 6 speed manual as well!! Ford Motor Company Customer Relationship Center P.O. Box 6248 Dearborn, MI 48126 Ford U.S. Phone: [phone]

[@hoodman420]

So sad we here in the U.S. will never get this car. I would trade my 2018 Focus ST in for one today. You could tune this one back up to RS power and have even more fun for a low price of $500.

[@danielleroux6490]

Yes!! Let's all do our part: call or write Ford U.S. Customer Relationship Center and tell them what their American customers want. If we all contact them, maybe they'll realize it's a profitable business decision to bring the Focus ST 6 spd manual transmission to the US/North American market. Wouldn't hurt to ask for the Fiesta ST and/or the Puma ST 6 speed manual as well! Ford Motor Company Customer Relationship Center P.O. Box 6248 Dearborn, MI 48126 Ford U.S. Phone: [phone]

[@ashleylemmer8016]

Enjoying this test format guys.

[@Inverted8]

The US built Honda Civic 3 door looks way better. I don't understand why they didn't make that into a Type R.

[@f181234]

Gary Lee because nobody buys coupes they’ll sell 5 of them a year

[@gillesthibault429]

The Civic Coupe is Made exclusively at HCM1, in Alliston, ON, Canada, barely 4km from where I'm sitting. (Though I drive an FK7 made in Swindon UK. Go figure...)

[@nunofranco4232]

If people bought them, they would make them. If the type r was a 2 door, I wouldn’t of bought one. I have kids and dogs.

[@Inverted8]

@@gillesthibault429 I live about 4km from the Swindon plant and used to work there. I still prefer a 3 door hatchback, that's why I drive a 3 door Golf R

[@gillesthibault429]

@@Inverted8 I understand now. In North America, there has not been a 3-door Hatch since 2000 (except for the 2001/2 Si/SiR - that was made in UK). Nor was one made in North America since (only Coupe and Sedan).

[@sage11x]

We don’t get the focus in the US which is a shame. I’d kill for an ST wagon as my daily. And here in Detroit it would likely be much , MUCH less than the Type R which the dealerships here really gouge on.

[@danielleroux6490]

I agree! Let's all do our part: call or write Ford U.S. Customer Relationship Center and tell them what their American customers want. If we all contact them, maybe they'll realize it's a profitable business decision to bring the Focus ST 6 spd manual transmission to the US/North American market. Wouldn't hurt to ask for the Fiesta ST and/or the Puma ST 6 speed manual as well! Ford Motor Company Customer Relationship Center P.O. Box 6248 Dearborn, MI 48126 Ford U.S. Phone: [phone]

[@danielleroux6490]

Even if the price was similar to the Type R, I'd still choose the Focus ST based on looks, sound, and driving experience alone, not to mention the Type R's gearbox grind issues. I can't stand the styling of the Type R honestly

[@SalynnaNavirera]

Any video st vs i30n?

[@tobysemler]

Another excellent review from these two. Insight balanced with emotion, and eminent clarity. The best.

[@SlapbackGOD]

I have an 2012 Fiesta zetec 1.4 petrol, just a basic car but I absolutely felt in love with it. never owned an Ford, and I was sceptical about purchasing it.. but I took me completely for the price/quality.. sound isolation, comfort and good speeds for a little engine as 1.4. it kicks very nice when pressed and responds in time when needed. I paid about 4000£ with 45k miles but was totally worth it. Honda is a dream car for me as well, but maybe one day who knows 👍

[@tomelliott9]

Was expecting the Focus to get absolutely done in on the lap. Only 1% behind the Civic.

[@dblue7711]

Short lap, tight circuit, badly missed gear change . Probably bigger difference than that infers but the ST is very good.

[@fell321]

@@dblue7711 Focus has less power though.

[@kpsig]

Half a second in a 47 secs lap is big difference.

[@Philbyyyy]

Negligible if you just wanna drive on the roads though

[@kpsig]

Cact I I agree and then none of these cars really make any sense

[@TasimanaOG]

@@kpsig exactly... would rather have something with awd or rwd if i wanted fun / speed, not a fwd car made for tracks :P golf r and bmw m140i / audi rs3 if it was a hatch but then again golf r is the only one that makes sense and where im from the kia stinger gt is the same price soooooo

[@russ6362]

Not a ford fan but I'd take over the Honda...God that's one hideous looking car

[@gillywash1487]

Russ63 it’s a shame the civic is so ugly isn’t it, I really hope they sort it out with the next generation of it! I would consider getting one if it even looked half decent.

[@njabulogodfrey2039]

I don't like it too but I think it's Japanese design language not necessarily ugliness

[@azcheron]

I have a red CTR and in person they are gorgeous. It is a really aggressive and neck snapping car. I wouldn't change its looks. I love it.

[@CJax749]

azcheron Agreed; mines black and people always compliment it

[@CallMeArashi]

BS lol the R is beautifull

[@SilverScarletSpider]

I can’t wait to see a next gen Focus RS to go up against the Civic Type R!

[@xXExtremeTABXx]

You're going to be disappointed I'm afraid. Ford has announced that there will be no next-generation Focus RS :( And therefore, probably not another RS ever again, unfortunately

[@MrSlash00r]

Younger me definitely goes for the Civic but that ST is probably a better car to actually own and be seen in by other humans with eyes

[@mohammadrasoulfard-habibi3066]

I couldn't of put it better.

[@你是國王]

MrSlash00r Honda has good reliability but yes I agree👍🏻👍🏻

[@tomtom255]

The current me knows after buying two Ford ST products that the paint on the Honda won't start peeling off after two years because it's rusting underneath, so I'd buy the Honda hahaha.

[@dblue7711]

I've never had anything but positive reactions to my Type R- Its an aggressive looking thing but it generates only admiration. I'm not fussed or bothered about "selling" it to others, I'm just relating my experience.

[@kofib3]

@@dblue7711 They look quite menacing in Night hawk black 👍

[@ranjitaborah2252]

Type r always rocks

[@mrkruger5108]

I'll have the Honda

[@ENGBriseB]

If you could afford the insurance. And the crap infotainment system. Its a great car.

[@jamaicanlovrboy]

so crazy how ford is an American company yet other countries get their best iterations of cars.......the only car we get now is the mustang

[@f181234]

jamaicanlovrboy Ford isn’t American company now it’s a global Company

[@danielleroux6490]

I still can't believe their crazy decision to cancel this great generation of Focus and Fiesta hatchbacks in the U.S. It's a BAD move and it makes me sad

[@danielleroux6490]

Fellow Americans: Let's all do our part: call or write Ford U.S. Customer Relationship Center and tell them what their American customers want. If we all contact them, maybe they'll realize it's a profitable business decision to bring the Focus ST 6 spd manual transmission to the US/North American market. Wouldn't hurt to ask for the Fiesta ST and/or the Puma ST 6 speed manual as well! Ford Motor Company Customer Relationship Center P.O. Box 6248 Dearborn, MI 48126 Ford U.S. Phone: [phone]

[@connorbrooks1102]

2:09 fuel cap is open 😂

[@leoesposito8762]

Love them both great vid guys. ..

[@nrvous309]

Those lap times are closer than I thought they'd be

[@javierspina278]

Civic type r vs Focus rs who is the winner?

[@buildmorefarms1007]

I wish the Focus ST was available in the USA! My 2016 ST3 is a blast but I would trade up for the new 2.3 liter ST!

[@danielleroux6490]

Yes, I agree!! Let's all do our part: call or write Ford U.S. Customer Relationship Center and tell them what their American customers want. If we all contact them, maybe they'll realize it's a profitable business decision to bring the Focus ST 6 spd manual transmission to the US/North American market. Wouldn't hurt to ask for the Fiesta ST and/or the Puma ST 6 speed manual as well! Ford Motor Company Customer Relationship Center P.O. Box 6248 Dearborn, MI 48126 Ford U.S. Phone: [phone]

[@Dr3v0]

Shouldn't be close that close, give both cars to the same professional driver and watch the Type R win by a lot more ..

[@ChopStickZero]

Ive got a feeling the lap time is more due to how fast this guy dares to drive rather than how fast car is. Which is why its so similar. If you put my granma in a ferrari or fiat 500 with 1.1 engine, she'd lap it the same. Except constantly driving in high rpm as if that constitutes fast lap time by itself, the guy driving is very leisurely around the track.

[@Maskinmester-DK]

Not in the wet. Tyres is the problem, not the driver.

[@njabulogodfrey2039]

C'mon we talking about a brand new car here with European engineering

[@Dr3v0]

@@njabulogodfrey2039 It's a Renault, if you lived in EU you'd know what that means alone.

[@njabulogodfrey2039]

Dr3v0 unfortunately I haven't so balance me real quick

[@LLLLLLLLLucas]

I'm none the wiser... is the ST front wheel drive?

[@hoodman420]

Yes

[@NUWEST00520041]

Did anyone notice all the head shaking in the Ford vs. The civic?

[@krAwly]

Did anyone else notice the fuel cap open when the Type R went round the corner at 03.22

[@guitaristwagner]

Pointless for me since they don’t sell focuses in USA anymore 😔

[@woody555kl]

But they do sell the ecoboost gt that thing looks way better

[@guitaristwagner]

woody555kl I’m one of the rare Americans that prefer a hot hatch. I don’t care for the styling of the new mustangs

[@VAspeed3]

Yep, that sucks. So when my ST wears out I'll have to get the Type R.

[@Shane-zx4ps]

Justin Wagner your lucky they don’t sell them cause fords are crap

[@danielleroux6490]

Fellow Americans: Let's all do our part: call or write Ford U.S. Customer Relationship Center and tell them what their American customers want. If we all contact them, maybe they'll realize it's a profitable business decision to bring the Focus ST 6 spd manual transmission to the US/North American market. Wouldn't hurt to ask for the Fiesta ST and/or the Puma ST 6 speed manual as well! Ford Motor Company Customer Relationship Center P.O. Box 6248 Dearborn, MI 48126 Ford U.S. Phone: [phone]

[@superfast30]

Mega bro, MEGA!

[@michaelherron4306]

With the Honda having looks only a mother could love, the W goes to Ford

[@Mike604]

Focus looks like any other Fords on the road, no one would take a second look. No one cares.

[@Peterhaynes]

Looks are subjective, Honda still the better car.

[@Emily-Double_Take_Snakes]

One is in every way better than the other Ford is unreliable and it looks like the gtis retarded cousin

[@xIcarus227]

@@Mike604 it definitely looks sportier than the other Fords on the road, but I'll say Ford fucked up by making the front of the car look just like the regular ST-line.

[@williamcuthbertson6575]

FoMoCo, please import these to North America. What a fun car!

[@danielleroux6490]

I completely agree! Let's all do our part: call or write Ford U.S. Customer Relationship Center and tell them what their American customers want. If we all contact them, maybe they'll realize it's a profitable business decision to bring the Focus ST 6 spd manual transmission to the US/North American market. Wouldn't hurt to ask for the Fiesta ST and/or the Puma ST 6 speed manual as well! Ford Motor Company Customer Relationship Center P.O. Box 6248 Dearborn, MI 48126 Ford U.S. Phone: [phone]

[@buckleyjteams]

Its like comparing the impreza to the evo you pick the impreza to drive to the tack and the evo for the track

[@PPGNI]

New Mountune ST will be interesting

[@arifazar786]

MP330 is out and wow..

[@PPGNI]

Arif Azar must check it out thanks

[@tankeriv]

What I did tend to notice is that the Focus ST is gaining at straight pieces. This is BTW where all Fords have been strong in the past towards their competitors. Except for the Focus RS. Since this track was mainly bends and curves I think that's also why the Focus ST has lost. The Civic Type-R is such a refined cornering device. Where as the Focus ST is rather a hot hatch fun daily driver car with a lot of potential. I think though that the Focus RS would have done better here. But this also underlines the weaknesses of both Ford cars. The Focus ST does way better with the new 280HP engine and would prefer even more such as 325Hp and I mean in the ST not the RS. Whereas the Focus RS would be way better if they'd shelled in a 2.7V6 and giving it 425HP. I know I know emissions. But then again. These cars are not for the masses. So you do not pollute that much. And take an example by Aston Martin. Simply produce a Smart under licence that nobody tends to buy and press the average emission of your lineup. But I think that with the 325HP the Focus ST would do way better against competition and would have won here. And the Focus RS would have been able to stand against the BMW M2 and the Mercedes A45 AMG with 425HP V6. And we all know from the Ford Fusion Sport that Ford is able to make this engine against a good price so money is not the problem. I think Ford also fears that the Focus RS would cannibalize the Mustang GT. But since these are totally different classed cars this won't be the problem.

[@Fusay34]

Sticking a heavy V6 in a FWD hatchback really sounds like a terrible idea, even if they had space to put it in.

[@كروانللاتصلات-س2ه]

It is not possible that the engine size willHe takes her out of the selfieFor the category Secondly, the Focus Rs product has been cancelled

[@gilbertoalvarez29]

Now everyone wants a piece of the type r crown but nobody beats it the little renault haven't even come out yet is not a real thing

[@gilbertoalvarez29]

@Nims A good choice I like the type r

[@alsdm]

For somebody who is going to do a lot of tracking, or really wants a serious car, get the civic. The focus is plenty serious for a car that you want to use everyday, and it is probably the better everyday car, so if you want that then take the focus.

[@chain2001]

I find it this a bit odd this one... The FK8 is by far a better car around a track than the Focus? It has beaten its bigger brother, the RS, around the Nurburgrin by 16sec, ok the track is a lot longer but your saying it can only beat the ST by .44 of a second?

[@ax6618]

Missing point..the Type R has more power and it’s brief is to be a racer...The ST is a daily and all rounder and cheaper

[@ralphhall9434]

Funny that was a close race for the money the focus st wins!💣💥🙌

[@turbisios]

yes and not ever the rs

[@tropikal-1747]

I own a Type R and I'd take it over the ST any day but I still gotta give some respect to the ST, I wish they'd sell these in the U.S., not that I'd buy one but I'd just like to see more cool hot hatches.

[@mills3375]

Tropikal - Same with me. I’m a Ford guy so I would take a st any day but respect the fact that Honda can still make a fwd hot hatch that can keep up with awd hot hatches like the RS and golf R

[@danielleroux6490]

I would buy a Focus ST if it was sold here in the states because I don't like the styling of the type R at all. Let's all do our part: call or write Ford U.S. Customer Relationship Center and tell them what their American customers want. If we all contact them, maybe they'll realize it's a profitable business decision to bring the Focus ST 6 spd manual transmission to the US/North American market. Wouldn't hurt to ask for the Fiesta ST and/or the Puma ST 6 speed manual as well! Ford Motor Company Customer Relationship Center P.O. Box 6248 Dearborn, MI 48126 Ford U.S. Phone: [phone]

[@Finguz39]

People have always been, and seemingly always will be hung up on which car is the fastest. If you're not driving in a race on a track, the fastest car is not necessarily going to deliver the most fun. Broaden your horizons!

[@markusrasmussen3585]

Not a ford fan but id take the focus over the honda any time

[@Shane-zx4ps]

That’s because your knowledge of car is 0

[@bryan8404]

Bapster Man exactly

[@buildmorefarms1007]

@@Shane-zx4ps Honda turbo engines leak gas into the oil..not good for longterm ownership.

[@Shane-zx4ps]

buildmorefarms100 buy a focus then, and take a chance on the head gasket failing and you’ll need a new engine

[@buildmorefarms1007]

Or buy the Honda and be assured that gas will leak into the oil. I will take my chances with the Focus, since they addressed the head gasket years ago on the RS.

[@MikeFuryTech]

Those laptops are a LOT closer than I expected. IMHO, for price and fun factor, the Ford wins this one. I wish they'd bring this latest version to the USA. In the mean time I'm thrilled in my 2016 ST.

[@danielleroux6490]

I agree! Let's all do our part: call or write Ford U.S. Customer Relationship Center and tell them what their American customers want. If we all contact them, maybe they'll realize it's a profitable business decision to bring the Focus ST 6 spd manual transmission to the US/North American market. Wouldn't hurt to ask for the Fiesta ST and/or the Puma ST 6 speed manual as well! Ford Motor Company Customer Relationship Center P.O. Box 6248 Dearborn, MI 48126 Ford U.S. Phone: [phone]

[@ja390b]

I'd love to see the mk2 rs vs the mk4 st

[@JoeMaranophotography]

After watching that dude slide almost sideways round the Nurburgring in the ST and I never thought I would say this but I would take the Ford! The Honda lap looks boring as hell in comparison and let's be honest most people are never going to get close to their limits anyway.

[@93455Driver]

More forbidden fruit, the US market loses out again. Wonder if the new Fiesta ST is more fun to drive than the Focus ST ?

[@mark-1rc502]

93455Driver At a guess I’d imagine so on a small track not sure if the extra 80bhp is enough to do the fiesta on a straight But on a tight track I’m sure the fiesta would excel over the focus 😔

[@Shane-zx4ps]

93455Driver but you mericans can’t drive a manual cars oh I mean stick...

[@VAspeed3]

The automotive press here in US seemed to think the FIESTA ST was more fun than the FOCUS ST.

[@93455Driver]

Mark C The last gen Fiesta ST seemed to have the edge over the Focus ST

[@93455Driver]

Bapster Man By total numbers, a lot of manual drivers just to the size of the country.

[@akandoldbcornothing1007]

Im a current ‘16 ST owner and was thinking of upgrading to the Type R, but its only .4 quicker than the ST and the ST is lesser than the RS which we can expect to come out soon. I would take the ST because its a more balanced road hatch and looks a whole lot better than the over aggressive styling of the Type R.

[@dham99]

If you're looking to buy a car because of some slight difference in track times or what some brochure says its power figures are...you're looking at a car for the wrong reasons. I love my 2016 ST. I have FBO with only a Cobb Stage 3 (93)...it sounds, drives, and looks better than any Civic I've been in. I think the TypeR's are very capable, benchmark setting cars for FWD. But they're not that appealing, cost too much, and I think are over rated. The 2015-2018 FoSTs are pretty much one of the best looking modern hatchbacks out there. Personally, I'd keep the ST and wait until you can find a reasonably priced used RS and enjoy the even better looking, more powerful Focus platform. Thats what I plan on doing. I have a RaceRed ST, but the only RaceRed RS is the '18 limited edition and they're rare here in south Texas especially for a reasonable price. Prob stick with my ST for a while lol

[@akandoldbcornothing1007]

Lol I was refering to the choices between these two...I would choose the ST because its more of a everday car than just a hot hatch and its more appealing in looks...and just like you said, the price. I never got a chance to ride in one so I cant say how it performs but by you being a ST owner yourself, I take your word for it because you know how well the ST drives and handles. I too was eyeing a RS for my next car and beef it up to 600 hp. I was also thinking if I dont get the RS, why not swap its drivetrain into the ST...havent seen anyone try that yet, probably because that can be quite expensive but may be worth it you thinking of a sleeper ST. Idk, but definitely a RS over a Type R....I agree.

[@pokinacha]

When they’re talking about the Megane taking the Civics Nurburgring lap - yes the Megane was a trophy R spec but the ‘civic’ it beat was a preproduction, stripped out shell with a higher tuned engine, no back seats or dash, full cage and unknown sticky tyres. Honda have never put the standard civic TR around the ring.

[@ShogunsDojo]

The Ford looks like it will be more fun at lower speeds and I like that the design is sporty without appearing juvenile. Plus the ability to pull shapes in your 5 door front drive hatch is deeply appealing 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@ShogunsDojo]

Arthur Wall yeah the Mk8 fiesta looks ace, I owned a mk7 and I still don’t know which one I like the look of more. They’re both great 👍🏾

[@damienhowell3727]

Nice comparison witb that ford but the honda just incredible 4 doors and only a sec or so behind two door megane with race cage full track spec smh comparing apples to apples that civics on another planet

[@raionshishi8290]

What ? Am i not understanding this or did you just say that the ST isn't a 4 door ? There are alot of other things that stand out in your comment that don't make sense to me but that is the biggest one.

[@Petrolheadd-u2u]

Think the focus RS is more in the honda bracket in my opinion. Love both cars

[@adamsargeson520]

The chassis in my dc2 was awesome😁

[@benjaminbrown9307]

Wow shows that the focus st has come along way but tbh you can have as much fun if not more in a fiesta st which i do for near as £10000 less

[@Baroldinho1]

I haven’t seen a vid with the st against anything comparable yet, I’d like to see it against i30n and golf gti That’s when the focus will show how good it is

[@B9MYO]

I like the Honda for that fact it was built to do a fast lap time, but to do that you sacrifice daily driver fun and let’s face it, the Honda is not good looking. The front looks aggressive which is great but it’s like they forgot about the back. Plus the Ford isn’t meant to be fast round a track, it’s just there for fun and .44 in a car that’s down in power and torque isn’t too shabby. They’re both great cars for what they are built for the the Ford wins it for me. I have a Fiesta ST and it may not be the quickest but it’s a lot of fun to drive

[@boabm6522]

Audi S3 or a mk2 5 pot for me, cheap as chips (Focus), common as muck but give you the smile factor 🙃

[@Nakke144]

@Nims A What drugs are you taking? The old 5-cylinder is a much more tunable engine and any mk2 RS will easily leave any mk3 ST for dead both on the straights and in the corners.

[@bob6168able]

It would have been nice if they turned over the drivers on the 2 cars , back to back so we would know there opinions.

[@0nawa164]

FORD SHOULD HAVE released this car in the United States. Much better.

[@petersothern2909]

The US don't like hot hatches

[@danielleroux6490]

I agree with you! Let's all do our part: call or write Ford U.S. Customer Relationship Center and tell them what their American customers want. If we all contact them, maybe they'll realize it's a profitable business decision to bring the Focus ST 6 spd manual transmission to the US/North American market. Wouldn't hurt to ask for the Fiesta ST and/or the Puma ST 6 speed manual as well! Ford Motor Company Customer Relationship Center P.O. Box 6248 Dearborn, MI 48126 Ford U.S. Phone: [phone]

[@Chicken_Nugget1]

Anybody get the impression that guy thinks the Type-R is a "serious bit of kit"?! Couldn't tell you why. Also... MEGA BRRRRRRUVVV!! (After viewing some more vids from this otherwise great channel the above covers 75% of his reviews about any car.)

[@anakmuda2544]

please make a track battle between TypeR and A35

[@H8XME]

Where was the st’s pops and bangs 💥? My st mk4 does it all the time 🎉

[@STEVEBHPDEVON]

The st for me, more people will buy the st because it's not as in your face, but the type r does look wicked cheers steve👍

[@Dzordzikk]

Civic have 40 HP more and near same time on track. And looks like toy for kids than like racing car. Ford wins for me, definitely. And try to imagine how fast will be ST with 40 more HP ... Civic haven´t any chance in this case.

[@muldix]

The new Type R grips! There is fuel cover to tell you.

[@adamsubtract81]

I just wish the Type R was a bit more understated looking.

[@cameronm4201]

Much less power and within half a sec? Very equal in performance, but the Focus ST is more of a fun car to drive and the Type R is a chore to have to drive.

[@D13-r9w]

Where’s that bloody legend Sutcliffe

[@mrnicktoyou]

D 13 saw him at EVO recently.

[@kamalashraf4846]

In the future used ST's will be so much cheaper than the type R. I know what car i will be buying then.

[@pollumG]

ST isn't that special tho is it?

[@epicshade3463]

@@pollumG eye of the beholder

[@kamalashraf4846]

At my country a megane rs used is so much cheaper than the type r its not even funny. Of course you want the type r but the prices for them is nowhere near attainable. Makes them look really overpriced. Thus really deep pocket people will have the civic r n well the rest of us peeps, u know..