Why Sheogorath Is A GENIUS - Daedric Prince of Madness Lore

In this video, I explore why Sheogorath, the Daedric Prince of Madness, might actually be a genius. Elder Scrolls Shivering Isles lore.
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[@borisrebic]

"This is either madness or brilliance." ~William Turner "You would be surprised at how often those two traits coincide." ~Captain Jack Sparrow

[@mpitt0730]

That is the literal perfect quote for this video

[@citrusink]

CHEESE

[@arandomzoomer4837]

You know, in a time where most people post stupid drivel in comment sections it’s nice to see a genuinely good comment once in a while.

[@akmalrafiaa4772]

When did he say that?

[@Oswald-Mandus]

Now that's a man I would share a block of cheese with!

[@randomshizxle5653]

I liked that concept of time throwaway Sheo says. Theres whole thesis' done on how time is nothing more than an artificial construct

[@stone1andonly]

I used to be an adventurer like you, until I took on Sheogorath's Mantle...

[@JonatasAdoM]

No matter how much I try to stay away it always comes back to me.

[@gabrielgrimes8297]

Of course he is a genius, he's us!

[@withheldrathernotsay3324]

The mc of Oblivion is the new mad god, I wonder if he even remembers being who he used to be. I wonder if he’s apotheosis is a blessing or a curse.

[@silentdrew7636]

He remembers his friend Martin.

[@withheldrathernotsay3324]

Silent Drew I know he remembers Martin, but I was wondering if he remembers more than that.

[@ckopen7192]

most likely. i mean, he references things he did when you meet sheo in skyrim.

[@mattroxursoul]

There are multiple forms of genius. Someone who can take the standard and completely excel within those confines even pushing limits can be a genius. Someone who forms their own path that is completely unique can also be considered a genius. Even if the latter could never be molded in the first category.

[@Darth_Nycta_13]

There's a fine line between madness and genius

[@travissmith2848]

In a world of the blind, the sighted man is mad. Two thousand years ago had someone said that man would one day touch the moon by riding an iron chariot with no wheels being pushed into the sky by dragons they likely would be called man, yet how else would you describe to someone with little understanding of the relevant technologies what observing the Apollo launch would be like? To say that if there really is no one there to observe the proverbial tree falling with no one to hear it, that section of the forest may not exist at all would seem mad; yet according to quantum physics that is a very real possibility. Madness is only mad from one's frame of reference. And remember: just because you are paranoid, that doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

[@josephcollier1028]

Go read the chapter titled ‘Lunatic’ in GK Chesterton’s Orthodoxy

[@runforestrun3556]

Sheogorath is a good man. He gave me Wabbajack without even sending me to the quests that could get me killed. Thank You

[@RealRoboKnight]

He was a good man... until he went crazy lmao

[@kelvinsantiago7061]

Make a video about Yiggalag!.

[@revolverocelot1380]

And my character in oblivion is the madgod. Avarti can you do a video on why my main character in Oblivion, Son Khajiti, is secretly a genius but also a degenerate? You see he's a very buff khajit orphan from elsewyr and a master martial artist who made frequent trips to akavir to master his skills. He came back to cyrodiil and was arrested by authorities for going berserk after taking too much skooma. Hence the oblivion crisis begins. Also why he's not sure why he's in prison, he can't remember. After escaping the sewers he stopped the mythic dawn at every turn despite being heavily miserable and lonely until he met him. Until he met Martin "Sean Bean" Septim. Now you could argue that son khajiti is just a lonely degenerate who saw a soulmate in the young heir to the septim throne but is it really just that? Son Khajiti is not blind to the machinations of destiny and fate and is aware of tamriel's role on a cosmological scale. It is the arena for the Gods and Daedra to compete in. Thus our hero may have foreseen the turning of the age and the possible end of the septim bloodline. After all, dagon is a force of change. So, our hero departed for the mages guild where he'd focus his attention on mastering his craft to find a solution. And he did. He discovered a genderbending spell. Oh yes he did. And oh yes he did use it. Working closely with martin to find a way to stop the crisis and reach mankar camoran and the amulet of kings, our hero contemplated when it would be best to turn martin into womanhood and give her an heir. It never felt like the right time and there was a sense of guilt but he knew it had to be done. Time was running out and finally all the pieces necessary to enter paradise were gathered. Son Khajit could not wait any longer the wheels of fate were turning. He cast the spell on martin and martin attained womanhood before his very eyes. He was going to enter paradise alright. You can imagine martin's initial reaction at first being of shock and then of anger. Son Khajit knew he could not explain things so simply so he forced himself on the septim heir. A pang of guilt shot through his body, but whether out of intense lust or a sense of duty he continued anyway as martin's now female cries emanated through the halls of the empty room in cloud ruler temple. He ravaged martin until he came deep inside him. It was not enough however and so the night was filled with the sounds of sean bean's desperate cries and eventually moans. Morning came and martin lied on the floor next to our hero, somewhat broken but feeling a sense of admiration for khajiti almost intuitively understanding this was what needed to happen. Our hero kissed martin and departed happy that he would leave tamriel an heir. However we all know how things turned out. Martin had to sacrifice himself to banish dagon and restore the barrier between mundus and oblivion so their unborn child died with martin. Perhaps our hero wasn't that smart. He could've turned himself into a female and bore martin's child. Or he could have found a woman for martin to impregnate. Maybe he was just a degenerate seeking his own twisted pleasures using duty as an excuse for his depraved acts.

[@Riviscira]

"and the C H E E S E to die for"

[@iloveakidearest2784]

*C H E E S E*

[@immortalsnail-xd7zv]

@@iloveakidearest2784 *FOR EVERYONE!*

[@anotherroadagain1950]

Even Wensleydale?

[@immortalsnail-xd7zv]

@@anotherroadagain1950 who is that?

[@sketchiefello9002]

Scratch that, cheese for no one

[@GT-wj3gl]

Thanks for doing Sheogorath some justice. He is a true genius, but his madness is handled so well by the writers. I get annoyed when a lot of people don't seem to understand that Sheogorath is a much deeper character than just *"LOL SO RANDOM! LOOK HOW FUNNY HE IS! ISN'T HE JUST LIKE DEADPOOL!?"* . It's an injustice really.

[@oneofmanyparadoxfans5447]

When you look at it, you could say that not only does the Shivering Isles represent moderation, but that Sheogorath is the Deadric Prince of Self Moderation.

[@ColdNekoAngel]

Thank Sheogorath, finally someone who noticed it too. Sheogorath has a complex character and most people don't see it.

[@oneofmanyparadoxfans5447]

@@ColdNekoAngel Then again, failing to moderate oneself may not necessarily cause the euphoric madness of Mania or the depressing grief of Dementia. Perhaps one could simply be born with traits related to either realm of the Shivering Isles, after all, many factors go into a person's personality in the world of Nirn.

[@myles3856]

True

[@Private-Potato]

He seems to act more like the mythological Loki and other trickster deities in mythology. They all have a great amount of intelligence with their madness

[@artydomi2466]

You might say he's.... *A MAD GENIUS?*

[@immortalsnail-xd7zv]

Your mastery of the tongue is... astonishing. Would you join the Greybeards?

[@theliteralfullmetalalchemi542]

artydomi this is the most perfect comment i've seen in a while

[@Trebxable]

genius mad a

[@egeorgiades93]

I read that in his voice.

[@sebas8225]

You might say he´s... YOU

[@more17]

Very interesting! I'm reminded of this quote: "There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line."-Oscar Levant

[@krimverse5903]

And here I am, thinking about loosing some limbs and organs on purpose when their bionic replacements are good enough in my mind. But I don't really leave those plans out in the open air for "normies", as I'm a little paranoid that somehow they'd deny me access to bionics or something equivalent.

[@SentinelAntioch]

Krimverse Found Sheogorath’s avatar, folks. Get me the boiling oil.

[@OldSkoolAngel]

Objection! There is a fine line between genius and craziness! Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. That isn't genius, that's politics.

[@SentinelAntioch]

Krimverse You’ve just activated my trap card. That’s my fetish

[@OldSkoolAngel]

@@SentinelAntioch *Ponder* But if anything on the human body turns entirely to cheese, does the nervous system register pleasure or pain?

[@kaimagnus5760]

Uncle Sheo vs Any Daedric Prince he ever challenged proves his genius. Who else would challenge Hircine's weredaedroth with a tiny bird. And yet, Hircine lost.

[@Mendoza-yi6qk]

This was the best Story from Sheogorath from any elder scrolls game.

[@saiyanfang1047]

I mean it's cannon that the daedric princes jumped Jyggalag because hes got too much power to be left around sane shame that just made him more dangerous since genius is part of insanity

[@Norinia]

⁠@@saiyanfang1047hey jumped Jyggalag *Not Sheogorath.* Massive difference.

[@geofkearz4242]

@@Norinia THEY. not hey, mASSive difference. ( on correcting @Norinia statement of : hey jumped Jyggalag Not Sheogorath. Massive difference. )

[@tahabashir3779]

literally every other Daedric Prince: "I'll give you what you seek, mortal, for your soul" my boi Sheo: "hmm? oh, you're free to go lol. you got any cheese, tho?"

[@Oswald-Mandus]

did I hear cheese? Ya I'm 8 months late but... THE GREAT WORD HATH BEEN SPOKEN! what ya need?

[@giansviktor9764]

@@Oswald-Mandus I'll give one roll o cheese for your powers.

[@Oswald-Mandus]

@@giansviktor9764 hmmmmmmm have ya read up on your elder scrolls lore? Eh dosen't matter it'll be more fun. DEAL!

[@sheogorath843]

cheese

[@Gnar05]

Also just take that Staff will ya? -Sheo

[@withheldrathernotsay3324]

I’m starting to think Sheaggorath is a lot smarter than Hermaus Mora

[@venge1894]

Not necessarily more intelligent, but possibly wiser. Intelligence =\= Wisdom

[@enoughothis]

Hermaus hordes his knowledge jealously but I don't believe he can create anything of his own, merely twist what others have done. Uncle Sheo, on the other hand, brings insight and new ideas

[@HarrDog]

@@enoughothis same, I didn't know until this channel told me but Old Herma Mora can't CREATE! That's crazy! He mostly hoardes & manipulates, I had assumed he would be like Neloth with all that power but evil, in that he would have immense creativity paired without endless knowledge... Very very interesting the nuance between just knowledge compared to wisdom & creativity

[@blksmagma]

@@HarrDog To be fair, no Daedric prince can create anything new. They can only change and distort. Sheogorath, being the Prince of Madness, changes and distorts the mental perception of reality. For a mortal this might end up with new ideas, but for a prince such as himself, he's stuck with using of and abusing models just as any other Daedra.

[@withheldrathernotsay3324]

blksmagma so in reality mortals are more free than the princes?

[@MellowDarkflower]

Why that one guard who fled from the dragon attack at Whiterun's tower to warn Jarl Balgruuf is a genius

[@immortalsnail-xd7zv]

And why his legs are the strongest in mundus

[@l0remipsum991]

You don't need to be faster than the dragon. You only have to run faster than your friends.

[@pissedoffturtle7333]

@@l0remipsum991 That doesn't really work when the thing you're running from has an AOE that can melt a town.

[@l0remipsum991]

@@pissedoffturtle7333 This is Skyrim mate, not Dark Souls nor LOTR. How I wish dragons in Skyrim are up to that level of awesomeness.

[@pissedoffturtle7333]

@@l0remipsum991 I mean it depends, Thu'um is pretty broken and a game engine can only run so much awesmeness when it's a DECADE OLD. Lore-wise I wouldn't be surprised since we hear stuff like Mages shattering multi-metre thick city walls or Shalidor building Winterhold with a muttered word of magic, I always figured Dragons could step to that since they're lesser aspects of Akatosh iirc.

[@nicholaswhaling7233]

I still find that contest with Hircine entertaining as hell. Could you imagine what was going through Hircine's mind in that little "Pokemon" battle?

[@immortalsnail-xd7zv]

Dude, be careful, he might call upon the wild hunt

[@gigan2444]

"IM LOSIN TO A BIRD!"-Hircine

[@DoctorWhoKage]

@@gigan2444 I thought it was a butterfly, though...? 😂 By the way, nice channel name. 😉

[@dearroseprincess289]

@@DoctorWhoKage No, it was a bird. The book about that, Sixteen Accords of Madness vol. VI, states that the were-thing Hircine created tore itself apart for hours trying to kill a colorful, chirpy little bird.

[@quillanjacobson1478]

Don't forget his war of witts with Nocturnal

[@Frankly_Amazing2000]

“Can’t you see I’m doing the fish stick? It’s a very delicate state of mind.”

[@dispicablegraders2539]

@sheogorath daedric prince of madness how dies one reach this state of mind?

[@gamejunky3040]

@@dispicablegraders2539 not from a sane mind.

[@DespairDoctor]

"Clouds don't smell bad. They smell of butter, and tears."

[@blksmagma]

Sheogorath is a prime example of why you should never have anything to do with a Daedra. In his previous form, the other princes we're jealous and fearful of his power so they changed him into exactly what he hates. Now, in his current form, he's not only messing with Mortals but the other princes at the expense of Mortals. Now finally to rid himself of his other half, he humiliated Jyggalag and basically took over the hero of Kvatch's body. Sheogorath is the curse of madness personified. Genious is a bit of a side effect.

[@mikewehr7887]

Sorry but if I get to become the mad god myself SIGN ME THE FUCK UP

[@kevind3974]

the best example of this is eso this dude popes up more often then any other lord and even though he is one of the least dangurouse by a long shot (besides sanguen) he causes a whole bunch of problems because he is bord. yes thats it, hes just bord. a world ending war is happoning and all he wants to do is play pranks on people and mess with our day. and these pranks alwase go way to far while his intrest in people lead to the whole mage guild quest line. their have been four major deadrik antagonist in the game so far and he has not been one yet plus we have never truly won agenst him he just leaves or we did win but didnt in a sence because he defently got something just as valuable to him out of it and its usualy our or our freinds sanity.

[@lsswappedcessna]

Sheogorath is the only Daedric prince that's worth worshiping, because he is truly the most powerful. Think about it, every single mortal on Nirn is just a little bit insane!

[@TheArklyte]

Except Jyggi is actually free and it Hero of the Kvatch, who's current Sheo. Because "Mantling" is a thing. So when Sheo had finally been able to leave as his true self, Hero of Kvatch was forced to take place. Because there always needs to be a Sheogorath. He's not possessed, Hero of Kvatch is literal Sheogorath, it's their job. It also allows them to show up without questions of age, background, race, gender and so on. We won't meet Dragonborn when they become new Emperor because of all of those.

[@erikho6936]

@@TheArklyte So... Sheo is love, Sheo is life?

[@alxporrini8563]

So....anyone seen that comic where Sheogorath turned the Dragonborn into the Argonian Maid and everything went into chaos?

[@gunjfur8633]

...no, but do go on...

[@blufu8727]

....Im remembering the Argonian maid volumes in game thru Oblivion lmfao

[@GreebleClown]

Plz share?

[@_Scarlet1]

Alx Porrini source

[@edwardkelliher4039]

Source?

[@MagicMaster667]

_"We only distinguish between someone insane and someone who's a genius, by if they were successful."_

[@lonestarwolfentertainment7184]

You’d be surprised how often Madness and Brilliance coincide

[@bradknightable]

And Sparta

[@FernandoSegovia701]

Well... the only example I can come up with is Henry Ford. But he was more evil rather than crazy. Could you give me an example?

[@edi9892]

@@FernandoSegovia701 Very intelligent people tend to fail in social life. Many of the most productive people are driven by a passion that consumes them. It often coincides with bipolar disorder. Some of the most creative minds had hallucinations.

[@FernandoSegovia701]

@@edi9892 now that you mention it, I do remember the case of Van Gogh and Dalí. But I don't know how intelligent people failing in life has anything to do with this, given that creativity is a kind of intelligence. And outside of art I can't really think of many people who is both crazy and intelligent, maybe Vlad the impaler, but he is evil besides crazy so...

[@edi9892]

@@FernandoSegovia701 Im not sure about his name, but there's a movie about him called a beautiful mind. I can think of a lot of bipolar or driven scientists that completely ruined their own lives, but I'm bad with names. Also, if you're a true innovator, you need to be a little crazy. After all you believe in things being possible that others don't believe in. My favorite example was a guy on the caliphate of Al Andaluz. He was the first guy in recorded history to build a glider and jump off the highest tower to climb. He broke both his legs but survived an otherwise deadly height. It took over half a millenia for the next person to try! Also, the brothers Wright were not the first with a successful motorized flight. That honor goes to an American of German descent, but he wasn't good with people and the others had tied to big newspapers... They were scummy enough to take a picture from a failed attempt to prove that they flew first, but it was just jumping on the ground and AFAIK they had to change the date back too, while their competition was already actually flying! (as confirmed by a few witnesses, a photo and a local newspaper article which has been nearly forgotten).

[@Tabby3456]

"...when Shegorath breaks the mind of thoes who enter his provance, he gives them a simple, stress free existance" That one elf in the streets of Solitude: ;_;

[@bigsmoke5884]

Actually i think he was actually born in "new Sheo" as Sheogorath calls it and apparently when hes not there theres imbalance in the isles

[@Oswald-Mandus]

He's doing much better now all I had to do was unplug it and plug it back and now it stopped crying! It stopped moving to...

[@theliteralfullmetalalchemi542]

He is my character from Oblivion sooooooooooooooooooo yeah

[@mr.meeseeks8313]

mine could jump fifteen feet high and wasn't;t exactly the smartest

[@Raumes513]

Man I remember I was at my friends and he loaded up this character hed had for years and this bitch could run the damn map in minutes lmao

[@delta2372]

I have sheogorath for stealing my body and imprisoning my soul, fucking jggylag and sheogorath

[@Whisper71]

oblivion ai is actually pretty amazing

[@rocksnrolls]

There's a quote from Gotham: there's a fine line between genius and insanity I have erased this line. This perfectly mirrors Sheogorath

[@ronank.6608]

" You only need to look at Hirrius Clutumnus, the madly depressed suicidal maniac." *pushes him*

[@oneofmanyparadoxfans5447]

2:50 Did you really just take the chance for one last cheeky teabag on Jyggalag?

[@BadWolfSilence]

Since he knows about how to mantle someone and that it’s possible for a mortal to do it, it shows an awareness that I haven’t heard of any other being in the elder scrolls having. While Sheogorath has never explicitly broken the fourth wall, he might be aware of it, on some level at least. It raises a lot of questions about what he’s really capable of. Maybe all the glitches in the elder scrolls games really are his fault lol

[@keeganrupnik6156]

You should do emperor Titus Mede ii. Is he an idiot or a genius.

[@theliteralfullmetalalchemi542]

he's a genius for dropping the dumbass blades thats for sure

[@mr.meeseeks8313]

@@theliteralfullmetalalchemi542 incompetent dumbasses who couldn't save the emperor

[@l0remipsum991]

My friends in Hammerfell say he's an idiot for signing the damned treaty not on their own terms.

[@d-dh2143]

@@l0remipsum991 He did what he had to to save many lives. And if he did orchestrate his own "assassination" then he's definitely a genius for coming up with that way to save the Empire's face and clearing the way for a potentially more popular leader to take on the Thalmor. You think the Legions would have much morale being led by a man who lost once before?

[@Hafer_]

@@d-dh2143 let's be real though. He would be a genius if he had actually orchestrated his own death, but this is Bethesda we're talking about, and I'm sure this is a typical case of something becoming deeper and more intelligent because the circumstances and conditions the writers set accidentally allowed for infinitely more complex interpretations than they even imagined.

[@Mabra51]

Can we take a minute to appreciate how Wes Johnson nails the role of Sheogorath?

[@sircrimsonwolf7492]

The line between madness and genius is very thin and since Sheogorath embodies madness you could say you could also say that he embodies intelligence or that he’s the most intelligent entity in the elder scrolls franchise. Madness isn’t exactly as one-sided as some would assume madness comes in many different colors and flavors even more so than a rainbow in fact in some debatable instances genius could be considered a strain of madness could say that creativity was born from the madness that this isn’t entirely good or evil it is just that madness but it is also not madness brings logic in the logic phone is a mix between the two and it is and is not order and chaos to understand madness one must already be mad or at least be open minded beyond most logical Humans. One thing that fascinates me about this character is that he challenge is the very definition of madness and makes us reconsider a lot of things in our original opinions and well everything for he basically challenges the idea of what we do and do not believe as well as our own perspective as well as the very barriers between sanity and insanity.

[@daedriccheddar]

To say Sheogorath is an idiot is... madness. All a person has to do is look up lore for the Madgod to see just how smart he is. There are numerous cases where Sheogorath has shown his genius. For example, Sheogorath challenged Hircine to a game of beast making, and made a raven that tricked Hircine's hulking beast into killing itself. Another instance is where he claimed he'd try his best to make someone go mad, and did nothing. And it worked. And then, he also tricked Malacath into killing one of his own children. Sheogorath may be mad, but he's far from stupid.

[@tonts5329]

You probably should have mentioned how Sheogorath has bested other Daedric Princes in competitions against them, using his mad intellect.

[@YouthRightsRadical]

And by cheating, as seen in Azura's quest in Morrowind.

[@Tomha]

There's a classic joke I know about madness. A mans car has a flat tire down infront of an insane asylums courtyard. While he's changing the tire, he loses the lug nuts. The man is clueless as to what to do. A madman from the courtyard, by the fence tells him to take one lug nut from each tire for the fourth one. The man was surprised and admitted that was a smart idea. The madman simply replies "I'm just crazy, not stupid."

[@stonebrix168]

Daedric Princes Ranked smartest to dumbest (in all forms of intelligence): 1. Sheogorath/Jyggalag 2. Hermaeus Mora 3. Mehrunes Dagon 4. Nocturnal 5. Mephala 6. Clavicus Vile 7. Molag Bal 8. Hircine 9. Vaermina 10. Azura 11. Sanguine 12. Boethiah 13. Peryite 14. Meridia 15. Malacath 16. Namira

[@cacteyes9432]

I completely understand why namira is on the bottom and she’s a big bumbling fucking idiot that fucks around for no reason other than to care for the unconventional, but like, fuck you.

[@HickoryDickory86]

By all in-universe accounts (excepting Mankar Camoran and the Mythic Dawn), Mehrunes Dagon would most likely be at the bottom of that list.

[@kevinclement1533]

Azura and Boethiah should've ranked far higher, while Dagon ranked far lower imho.

[@LOVEPHOENIXDANCER]

and one thing i recall in one of the books he told a mortal a challenge of turning him mad out of the blue and the mortal panicked and tried to find out ways sheogorath would turn him mad and after 1 day the guy told sheogorath that he turned him mad but sheogorth turned around and said i did nothing you made your self mad i am missing alot of details here but the point being sheogorth does not need to do much if he knows you can turn your self mad

[@theawickward2255]

The book is Myths of Sheogorath, and you got a few of the particulars wrong, but the message is the same. The story goes that a wizard named Ravate goes to Sheogorath and asks for power. Sheogorath says he'll give Ravate what he wants... if he can't drive Ravate insane in three days. Ravate admits defeat saying that Sheogorath turned everything against him, but Sheogorath actually did nothing whatsoever; Ravate's own paranoia about what Sheogorath might have been doing did his job for him.

[@aysseralwan]

There's also some books how we wagers against other daedric princes (namely I remember Hircine and I think Vaermina) and the other daedric Prince is the one with the advantage in the bet. Like making some strong beast and let them fight with Hircine and making some artist insane with Varmina. And he wins

[@Ace2014Ace]

I just read the Hircine one. Who knew Sheogorath created Tweety bird.

[@YouthRightsRadical]

Mind you, he's known to cheat in his bets. Azura's quest in Morrowind has you called upon to shut down an attempt by Sheogorath to interfere in a bet between the two Princes, and bring back evidence of his attempted interference.

[@gigan2444]

Sheogorath isn't a genius... He IS genius.

[@AsprinceRemix]

Hearing about the different stories involving him and the other Deadra before hand, I totally agree with the title of this video.

[@thorshammer7883]

Why can't Aedra, Daedra, Sithis, and Anui-el gain the power of CHIM and the power of a Dreamer while mortals can? Mortals are either decendedents or creations of the Aedra and Daedra, while the Aedra & Daedra themselves are creations of Anui-el and Sithis why can't these entities gain these hyper strength powers that Mortals like Talos can? it makes no sense because surely how Daedra and Aedra may view us as mortals, Anui-el and Sithis may consider Aedra & Daedra as mortals from their point of view because they are far more powerful then the Aedra like Magnus and AKA/Akatosh and Daedra like Jyggalag and probably Lorkan if you him a Daedra since he was created by Sithis.

[@MTVhost]

this is possibly the best speculation I've ever seen.

[@otwk]

But are they actually unable to achieve CHIM? There's nothing that says they can't. Talos and Vivec both are Gods in a way, and some have suggested that Sheogorath actually achieved CHIM as well.

[@thorshammer7883]

@Prime Aggravator But don't they want more power and want to expand their planes of Oblivion because it's in their own nature to want more power?

[@thorshammer7883]

@Prime Aggravator I thought people said CHIM made you more powerful then the Divines and the Daedric Princes.

[@thorshammer7883]

What's the difference between the power of CHIM and the power of a Dreamer and which of the two is the most powerful?

[@krimnullz3166]

Thor's Hammer maybe chim unless the dreamer can control their dreams

[@ScurvyBoi]

CHIM since the Dreamer can't control the dream. CHIM generally exerts restraint though, id the CHIMs change the dream too much, they may wake the dreamer IIRC.

[@ScurvyBoi]

@Prime Aggravator Any source or wiki page you can link to so I can check the Vivec thing? Because IIRC Vivec didn't become a Godhead...

[@ScurvyBoi]

@Prime Aggravator Well, from what I have gathered, CHIM means pride, arrogancy, to care only for oneself. AMARANTH (Godhead) is the opposite, to care so little for one self that you are willing to give up every power you have, your identity, everything, I don't know WHY you would want to achieve AMARANTH. I guess I should just stick with CHIM. Edit: So I don't know if Vivec really would become the Godhead, I don't think he is willing to give up all that he is, then again, Vivec is far more chill that Tiber Septim for example. Maybe after meditating so much he realized that AMARANTH is cool? The only problem is that when you become a Godhead you begin a new dream INSIDE the one that already was, so Elder Scrolls wouldn't have happened. However I'm not sure about that, so don't quote me on it.

[@d-dh2143]

If by Dreamer you refer to Dagoth Ur, then that guy achieved a sort of Anti-CHIM.

[@immortalsnail-xd7zv]

Next you will probably make a video on how a sweetroll is a genius.

[@theliteralfullmetalalchemi542]

if it's a genius why is everyone always stealing them?

[@immortalsnail-xd7zv]

@@theliteralfullmetalalchemi542 maybe it is part of their grand scheme, yes?

[@GT-wj3gl]

@@immortalsnail-xd7zv They are trying to delve into the bellies of the every being on Nirn in order to achieve Amaranth.

[@immortalsnail-xd7zv]

@@GT-wj3gl Hah, and Molag Bal calls himself the god of schemes...

[@Franchise-jq7tq]

Some say that Chim is the most genius state of mind. Clearly, they were never doing the fish stick. It’s, well, it’s a very delicate state of mind.

[@nadeenabuhalima6365]

During one of my play throughs where i finished mind of madness before i got married, Sheogorath came to my wedding and was sitting in the pews and clapping in the ceremony 😂 I love sheo

[@marystone860]

OMG!!! NO WAY! Awesome!

[@nadeenabuhalima6365]

@@marystone860 It changed my life.

[@theenderdestruction2362]

Sheo had to visit you man he had to see who in the ever living fuck aktosh was marrying

[@TheBrunarr]

Genius and madness absolutely can coalesce, the smartest people usually have some weird quirk about them

[@l0remipsum991]

I'd be honored to be wabbajacked by you. Your Grace. Wabbajack! Wabbajack! Wabbajack! Wabbajack! Wabbajack!

[@Valandar2]

Imagine if they had been able to convince Robin Williams to voice Sheogorath from the start...

[@ericcrabtree7075]

Do why legate rikke is a genius

[@strategossable1366]

General tulius is. A. Genius.

[@pugking1233]

I was always of the opinion that you can't be intelligent without being a little insane

[@saiyanfang1047]

a truly revolutionary mind can't think normally they need madness

[@noanpc973]

1:23-1:35 And to follow that, madness is for some other people... *S P A R T A*

[@enoughothis]

Cheese for everyone! Good old uncle Sheo is the God of Madness and Inspiration. If you can sift his talk you will learn much.

[@bogustoast22none25]

I didn’t quite catch the name of sheogorath before he got turned to madness but. His previous self was said to be so logical, so calculating, that he could predict the future. It stands to reason that he predicted the other daedric prince uniting against him and making him mad, therefore he planned ahead to ride that storm of madness and leave the madness on someone else. He essentially created another daedric prince.

[@joudukoigile]

In my eyes its pretty logical, because THIS IS MADNESS!!!!

[@killansoulslayer591]

it is rather funny how often being a genius is accompanied by madness, or leads down the path to madness.

[@RedTower102]

Interesting considering it says around the shivering isles box art in daedric writing "there is no genius without a touch of madness". A quote from the epistles of Seneca the younger

[@MazzaAzi]

normal genius: 5 dimensional chess Sheogorath: π^π dimensional RPS

[@astucity]

He is the reason I still even load Oblivion.

[@Oswald-Mandus]

Awww I like this mortal, Give it cheese and see what it does!

[@therubbishpicture9665]

You should watch on how he out witted deadric princes at there own game; this will show you a reinforcement to your stance with it.

[@yourlocalbicronoverlord]

I’m surprised you didn’t mention the in game stories about Sheogorath outsmarting the other Daedric princes

[@grugnotice7746]

I don't think Jyggalag (however it is spelled) actually turned into Sheogorath. Rather, he is just pretending. He realized that by acting in seemingly random ways, he could exert the exact amount of pressure at the exact right points in time and space to achieve the exact goals he was seeking. By pretending to be a lunatic, he could work towards his goals with the other Daedra completely unaware, meaning that they won't fight him, and even if someone like Hermeus Mora were to figure out his plan, he would never be able to convince the others to join the fight against him. The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist. Or that he was "just" a lunatic.

[@lionelpolo221]

Sheogorath is my primary Daedric Patron for many reasons. This is one of them

[@notjimpickens7928]

*please do a video on sheogorarths curse from oblivion that the player gets,and turns into sheo with that mantle thing?*

[@curiouswind9196]

which creature would win Hircine: *makes a powerful were creature that can't be stopped* Sheogorath: Hehe birb go brrrr

[@Mendoza-yi6qk]

Hicine's Weredeadroth never stood a chance against the mighty little BIRB.

[@DarkArtistKaiser]

I like to say Madness is often unappreciated genius(Though it does sound cynical, or at least the way I say it may sound cynical) for a reason.

[@HIT14MAN2]

Video idea: Mehrunes Dagon won in Oblivion

[@AbyssalPlague]

Hermaeus and Sheogorath are my absolute favorites... Huh. *_The_* Madman and an entity of Pure Knowledge.

[@AG26498]

A little busy here, i'm trying to decide what to have for dinner. Oh, how i love eating. One of my favorite things to do. That's it brain pie! That's delicious... care to donate?

[@tepidtopic4979]

Really thought this video would make mention of stories like where he bested hircine or tricked malacath

[@taab84]

Disappointed you didn't talk about the context with hircine

[@paladinmaguireofbos3347]

Sheogorath asked me for pizza time. I told him "I missed the part where that's my problem".

[@JakeMckay1738]

I’m gonna put some dirt in your eye

[@paladinmaguireofbos3347]

@@JakeMckay1738 fix this damn DOOR

[@ptera0219]

Avarti:'Sheorogath' Me: still understandable 👍✌

[@KobiFC]

“name one genius that ain’t crazy”-Kanye West

[@blunderless]

This video is about my oblivion character

[@blufu8727]

I see my favourite expansion pack. I click!

[@calexander7495]

The difference between genius and insanity is success.

[@scottdevnull5778]

he out smarted hircing by using a bird to get his creation to kill itself in a berserk rage

[@MCPunk55]

They say genius always comes with a percentage of madness.

[@hawkeyenextgen7117]

In my Skyrim fanfic, the Dragonborn meets Sheogorath in his own mind rather than that of Pelagius, dropping subtle hints and clues to their past, as Sheo (aka the Hero of Kvatch) was technically the one responsible for making the new chapter of the Elder Scrolls (Martin Septim’s quote), hero to hero.

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

That blur and DOF is horrible, but the oblivion graphics look amazing!

[@fatcunt9483]

You mean the champion of cyrodiil?!? Aka The Listener?! Aka The Arch-Mage?!? Aka SHEOGORATH?!?!

[@Spacefrisian]

Remember it will stil be a party if you dont like cheese and the reward is to not get said cheese.

[@thegneech]

Something something kalpa something calipers something M'aiq something secretly Lorkhan something.

[@kaptannemo1668]

someone should defeat Jyggalag with the WabbaJack! YES PERFECT!

[@davelangton1217]

Loved Sheogorath. "Ta! Come visit again.. or I'll pluck out your eyes! Ya'Hahaha! Or "CHEESE FOR EVERYONE!"

[@lsswappedcessna]

Madness is fun. I 100% recommend madness. The funny haha kind where you have no urge to hurt yourself or others, not the depressive and suicidal or mass shooter/acid attacker/truck rampager kind. Wabbajack, wabbajack, wabbajack.

[@Pikachu-qr4yb]

I just read Chance’s Folly in Skyrim and it’s probably my favorite book and made me sooo interested in Sheo

[@Macaulyn_97]

DUDE, WHERE IS LAILA LAW-GIVER????

[@twistedvtuber9894]

Tbh I'd say the idiot/genius labels don't work for daedric princes, since they are so beyond human comprehension that ascertaining motive and intelligence is a fools errand

[@HoundofOdin]

Crazy doesn't mean stupid. Sheogorath is Chaotic Neutral done very right.

[@lotrfam414]

I have so many issues with this video. He's literally just beating around the bush, giving all or these metaphorical arguments which don't really matter when THE WHOLE PLOT OF SHIVERING ISLES WAS PLANNED OUT BY SHEO! It's ingenious is what it is. He knows what he cares about, his realm. He knows how to care for it and it's denizens, with each of their individual peculiarities. And he knows how to identify and deal with threats to what he cares about, which we clearly see with him "summoning" the HoC to learn how to be Sheo and eventually mantle him to deal with the greymarch. He doesn't clearly act this way, but he very much does all of this throughout shivering isles. Edit: Also I'm gonna add there is several stories of him outsmarting the other daedric princes, including Azura who can see the future. Yeah, this video really was half assed.

[@GnosticAtheist]

Madness is not insanity. Insanity is the lack of sanity. Madness is the lack of dness. Thus madness truly is Ma. Ma means mother. In Asian cultures Mama also means God. I rest my case.

[@enderoctanus]

I think madness would probably aid in recognizing the Tower for what it is, honestly.

[@MichusubPl]

"Bitch, I been had the sauce (sauce) Crashed a Lexus, got a Porsche (Porsche) You can call me Sheogorath But my fucking last name been Floss Boy, my fucking last name been Boss Copped me some Gucci, you don't know the cost Shoutout to Haskill, nigga icy frost 'Bout to kill you niggas, you already lost"

[@ralseiprinceofthedark4867]

Sheogorath sets things up in a way so that a mortal bag of dung(hah) defeats the STRONGEST deadric lord and breaks the cycle set by the rest of the deadric princes so yea he’s a genius a MAD GENIUS!!!