Avatar: The Way of Water Pitch Meeting

Step inside the Pitch Meeting that led to Avatar: The Way Of Water!
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2009’s Avatar was the highest-grossing movie of all time. Naturally, that meant sequel-time, and FAST. Okay maybe not fast. Maybe not even slow-paced. Maybe THIRTEEN YEARS LATER James Cameron has brought us back to the world of Pandora, along with all the characters whose names we definitely remember.
Avatar: The Way Of Water definitely raises some questions. Like why spend so much money bringing back Colonel Quarritch to life, the guy who famously failed the last time he attempted something similar to this mission? Why does Jake suddenly decide that it’s suddenly time to run away after literally heading into battle regularly? Where did all the ocean people go in the third act? How many decades until the next movie?
To answer all these questions, check out the pitch meeting that led to Avatar: The Way Of Water.
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[@zlIWCARIlz]

My favorite part was the decision to leave their home and friends to avoid endangering them so they could go endanger a bunch of peaceful strangers instead.

[@vesnalukic9898]

Hey, but at least they've learned how to dive for hours in just a day or 2 and they never saw a water before.

[@pdas4182]

@@vesnalukic9898 But it wasn't a day or two. It was atleast a month, if not a few months.

[@vi2e]

@@pdas4182 Hey shut up!

[@mediocri5y]

@@vi2e oh okay

[@Zauchi]

tbf they were gonna leave but first time coincidences got them to stay, second time they were allowed to stay.

[@mattheweurt26]

I like how the kids keep going back to the ship and getting captured to the point where the youngest one even says "I can't believe I'm handcuffed AGAIN"

[@MetroplexBias]

sUlLy’S sTiCk ToGeThEr

[@KSLIMMY]

literally mu first complaint

[@MetaITurtle]

I somehow remembered this but the water people did say they don't kill, they do fight but don't kill. So maybe that had something to do with why they disappeared? And also that's not their fight anyways you know? If anything they are only there to keep them hidden not to fight their battle as well. Now that's the only way I can look past it.

[@graceannemorgan1035]

Love that scene and line a little humour always appreciate especially in a film as good as this one, God bless you.

[@smita568]

😂😂😂

[@cheekyshekel2856]

You're the first person that's highlighted the fact the water tribe straight up disappeared during the final fight. I thought I was going crazy. Where'd they all go?!

[@JJ-vn3xq]

They were eaten by the script

[@robertbeisert3315]

@PITCH_. Reminder that you were not specially chosen, Ryan is not doing any giveaways, and both YT and Whatsapp are totally cool with letting scammers operate.

[@casper_z1259]

It was the Way of Water to dip out at the earliest convenience lol

[@Jonasty00]

That’s what the first thing I noticed they just disappeared

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

@@JJ-vn3xq AHAHAHAHA! LOL!

[@callumdodsley6794]

I enjoyed that literally every bit of conflict in the movie is started by Jake's kids doing something they are not supposed to. Every single time.

[@pasqualedigesu5418]

It's funny cus the eldest child does literally nothing (good or bad), and he's the only main character who dies.

[@theknight29504]

Kids doing something they are not supposed to and starting a conflict is the most realistic part of the movie.

[@yamanibryant-mccray2243]

Every single time lol😂😂💀

[@highdefinition450]

Kids do be like that tho lol

[@parodysam]

The whole thing is about family. And that’s what’s so powerful about it.

[@richrenken]

"They were unable to obtain it." BEST LINE! I am not sure why studios don't hire you to go over scripts and work with directors on their blind spots.

[@YHDiamond]

obtain*

[@richrenken]

@@YHDiamond Thanks!

[@C_de_jupons]

Why name some rock/material "unobtanium" ehen you can literally obtain it LoL

[@jameslawlor4327]

They don't hire him to do that so the movies can happen!

[@faisalmemon285]

@@C_de_juponsIts an actual scientific thing. Wikipedia it.

[@everettharris967]

"Unobtainium? They were unable to obtain it." That's gold Ryan. Gold!

[@ricardozamora6501]

Unfortunately, as good as the joke was, it's inaccurate, as they did get as much of the stuff as they needed, when they (spoilers) leveled the entire forest in the first 5 minutes of the movie, giving them unbroken access to all the minerals in a massive diameter.

[@gadorae1129]

I was looking 4 this commentary...

[@gregbors8364]

To be fair, that stuff’s hard to get

[@smimoma5930]

@@gregbors8364 Hardtogetium

[@Customerbuilder]

That checks out.

[@thehiddenninja3428]

The worst part was that after Kiri had her seizure, Jake called for a helicopter to help her, and a few hours later they arrive and fail to help. Then they get the island's own healer and her help works. So they called a useless helicopter without letting the healer help first, even though they had time, and it was this exact useless helicopter that showed the bad guys where they were.

[@maldito_sudaka]

YES

[@veronicagross7458]

"so the movie can happen"

[@fernandofaria2872]

MUST. SHOW. HOW. INFERIOR. HUMAN. MEDICINE. IS.

[@ClearSpade]

Worth it! Just for the sake of Neytiri yelling "Useless!"

[@angellara7040]

@@fernandofaria2872 or they simply want to remind the audience that the God of pandora is a real thing again as its been a decade

[@ayaan5540]

I like how Neytiri literally uses Spider as a hostage to get Kiri back and they never address it, they're just a big happy family after he returns

[@themotleycollector]

Ehhh she always hated him because he was always hanging around, scrounging their food... "What's for dinner tonight, Mrs. Sully?" "Go home, Spider."

[@AlejandroLZuvic]

@@themotleycollector HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAH

[@stephenrose8300]

I found that funny too. I'd be hesitant to go back to a group of people where at least one person wanted to kill me. Also the fact the water tribe almost didn't accept Jake and his family because the kids were part human. How are they going to accept a full human?

[@Chillerll]

Also, they knew spider was down in the sunken ship looking for survivors but after they saved both parents, they completely forgot about him and went back to the dead son. When he eventually shows up they're like "Oh are you alright monkey boy?". He could have drowned there and nobody even thought about looking for him.

[@Cooniez]

Lol I was asking my daughter about this as well since I just watched it with her. I was like "Oh wow... that's gonna be awkward now that he came back". 😂

[@superhunksickle]

It's funny to me that they were so focused on killing the villain despite knowing he can just be recreated. They barely even focused on how he was literally back from the dead.

[@samyujin7260]

Yes they were actively discussing about that. Didn't you remember that they constantly shouted 'Herrggghhh' everytime they saw General Quaritch?

[@superhunksickle]

@@samyujin7260 I stand corrected, bro

[@jackinthebox1993]

This is literally the first time I just thought about that

[@FStyleWWE]

OMG that is so true! Spider saved him for no reason at all. He could still come back the next day in a new avatar. Altough he wouldn't have the memory of the last encounter with Jake. Just his old memories.

[@edwinscharfe6917]

Hey so quick question, did you guys watch the movie? Because no, he absolutely wouldn’t be back the next day in a new avatar because a) that avatar needs to be bred specifically for him wich takes time and b) this is something that can apparently only be done on earth, as is evident by the fact that all the avatars we see in both movies are brought to pandora by a spaceship. Which seems to take a couple of years. It’s really not that difficult to understand

[@christopherverdery1294]

"So how long's this movie gonna be?" "Over three hours!" "Wow, so you're not leaving *any* details out!" "Actually, we had to get Sam Worthington back into the sound booth to add numerous voiceovers regarding plot point we forgot to animate." "Maybe you shouldn't have planned so many nature scenes that don't advance the plot." "I'm gonna need you to get *all* the way off my back about this."

[@Harmthuria]

« Oh, okay, let me get off of that thing. »

[@oscarrimore]

oh wow, wow, wow.... Wow

[@rubenmahrla9800]

tbh the nature scenes were the best part of the movie, they could have saved a few kidnapping subplots instead.

[@WaaDoku]

Honestly, I think the whole film built up to exactly those nature scenes where you can just relax and observe. Cameron just built the feature film around it. In reality it's a nature documentary about Pandora's oceans lol (and I'm saying that as a massive fan of the hopefully continuing franchise).

[@oscarrimore]

@@WaaDoku couldn´t agree more, in the theater I had to turn my Ryan George off in order to enjoy the experience, I love Avatar for that tho. Also been a fan since 2009

[@atillathehungry3145]

This guy hates when sea vessels float as intended. CLASSIC

[@thekiss2083]

Except in The Abyss, when the submersible SINKS as intended

[@scottcameronpedigo219]

@@thekiss2083 Didn't something sink further than intended?

[@danavixen6274]

When it comes to Ryan creating MEMORABLE punchlines, it's super easy barely an inconvenience.

[@UrSammich]

*cue my "my heart will go on" recorder version*

[@evanbelisle8464]

So does the ocean

[@urzaktv]

Why did Quaritch tell Spider he better not try to escape because there was a tracker in his mask? Like, wouldn’t it have been easier to purposefully let Spider escape and then just track him back to Sully?

[@avananana]

Because then we wouldn't have a 3 hour plot.

[@flashgordon4339]

as screenwriter Ryan would say...so that the movie could happen

[@Lora_Beolab]

But sully ran away, Spider didn't know where he was

[@NGCAnderopolis]

I mean Quaritch refuses to kill Jake repeatedly for no apparent reason. He is an Egomaniac who did the same mistakes as in the last movie.

[@ezelfrancisco1349]

Whoops Whoopsie

[@justini.9567]

Ryan saying, "Hey shut up!" when other Ryan says something sensible is becoming my favorite part of these videos.

[@stevestarcke]

Subliminals are tight!

[@xelaander8429]

Another fav part is when writer guy simply goes "I don't know"

[@scottcameronpedigo219]

@@xelaander8429 My favorite is when he has to get all the way off of his back about that.

[@madmaxmedia]

Hey shut up. I don’t know! Hey get off my back! Whoopsie! Writer guy has a lot of good deflections at his disposal and I am here for all of them. 😂

[@bartrese]

It’s definitely mine lol

[@RahidenChan]

“…and there are these creatures let you breathe underwater” “Wow, they must be pretty useful given that most of the film is underwater!” “They will only be used once, in the final scene” “Well okay then”

[@nicksivert5431]

True.

[@nichenetwork9817]

Used more than once but yeah in the finale just once but also they weren’t needed so

[@snausages43]

Weren’t there multiple of them when Kiri put one on? Yet she only took that one.

[@mattjones7226]

"Well, okay then" always reminds me of Raising Arizona.

[@JuryRigged]

@@snausages43 She only took one... and set precedent early on that she could apparently hold her breath underwater for a very...very...very long time. Half the 'learning to hold your breath' montage took place and she's still drifting around, hasn't surfaced once.

[@thinicer]

I like how Neyteri holds a knife to Spider’s neck, threatens to kill him, cuts him across the chest, and then ends up adopting him with Jake as if nothing happened.

[@johnyaxon__]

Family life...

[@Sonmmmxuan]

absolutely normal and healthy adoptive family behavior

[@stuart2777]

LOL, so true - and Lo´ak has the audacity to complain being the one who is rejected. Even tho he is the one who is responsible for all of his problems and has a supportive family

[@mikewalker678]

I like how instead of sneaking up behind Quaritch and slitting his throat she decides to barge in front of everyone and hold their beloved family friend at knifepoint.

[@-JaggedGrace-]

@@mikewalker678 I don't think she could have gotten to him without him being able to react.

[@DeadPressed4444]

That "Whoopsie" rejection moment is very strong, enough to destroy the usual routine even

[@Shasta--1]

Which is great. Finding ways to change things, while they stay the same is very difficult, but Ryan does it here.

[@odeleon24]

Seriously!

[@mexicancanteen9596]

🔵🔵

[@borisjefftrev6186]

You'd think rewording things like that would be hard for the regulars to get behind? (Insert fan made reworded catchphrase here)

[@PaleImperator]

Actually, it was super easy - barely an inconvenience.

[@kylebaxter8631]

Can't believe you didn't talk about how rather than have the local healer revive Sigourney Weaver in 5 minutes as the first option to save her, they opted to magically get in touch with the friendly scientists who took at minimum a full day to get there only to be shoved aside to be replaced by the healer who then healed Sigourney Weaver in 5 min... So that the bad guys would have a way to get to their location for the last 3rd of the movie.

[@N7AslansHobbit_Ry]

Also she never had another seizure and instead mastered her powers. All without any explanation.

[@sarahberkner]

Even though I haven't seen the movie that sounds pretty realistic especially in a typical corporate environment, bring someone in to do something that someone there could do better.

[@isiahs9312]

>bad guys good way to describe them. Since they dont really have a name or purpose. You are just supposed to hate them. Moral ambiguity is for lesser movies that have plot.

[@atomicviking2497]

I love how the good guys retreat when they're winning, but the bad guys never retreat even with >90% casualties.

[@dinosaysrawr]

I loved how they probably spent billions of dollars and endured at least a hundred fatalities just to fail to kill one guy.

[@atomicviking2497]

@Dino Says Rawr Trained soldiers fought a bunch of pacifists and children with high-end weapons, and suffered 99% casualties in a battle that was 100% unnecessary and avoidable. Definitely not a win.. At the end, the movie teases the audience into believing that Colonel Miles will return.. We should expect him to command a distant moon rock in space by the end of the week.

[@seppdereinzigwahre3482]

How would they retreat? There was a giant whale on the boat…

[@kuraimaskorner3757]

"Never Give Up, Never Surren"... Oh wait - that was that OTHER movie...

[@Chillerll]

@@seppdereinzigwahre3482 the boat was operational before spider decided to hijack it and ram it into some rocks.

[@ExoNova]

I just find it hilarious how the culmination of the entire 3 hour movie was they took down a singular fishing trawler

[@defdaz]

Singular? You mean single.

[@ExoNova]

@@defdaz yeah you probably right tbf

[@Lora_Beolab]

Idk what's funy about that?

[@tonytwowaters]

@@Lora_Beolab I believe they mean that it's funny (this is not only meant as hilarious. It can mean strange, too) that in 3 hours and with everything going on, that is all that had really happened.

[@Lora_Beolab]

@@tonytwowaters oh i see, but even if little hapened it's the story until that point that matters, some movies have world ending plots and they're shit af

[@rockosmodurnlif]

“Because that’s the plot of the movie” the best explanation yet, better than “that’s what I have written here” which was my previous favorite

[@whisperienced]

Because

[@gab5012]

​@@whisperienced yeah that one is the best lol just "because"

[@Alondro77]

The hilarious part is being able to COMPLETELY summarize every single event in the plot in a few minutes and STILL make the movie feel boring.

[@icydsting6037]

​@@Alondro77 I think if you summerised any movie you would make it feel boring. lol

[@f2pkrdecade]

@@Alondro77The movie IS boring though...

[@thestray]

It feels like they spent a whole decade improving the effects, and then wrote the script on a weekend.

[@troubadour723]

You just summarized the creating process behind every Hollywood blockbuster. Luckily for them the FX are all the public cares about.

[@Ambar42]

@@troubadour723 It sadly seems that way.

[@icydsting6037]

@@troubadour723 I reckon they wrote the script then have spread it into four movies. lol

[@mallninja9805]

I mean, that was pretty much the first movie too. "Let's do a tech demo! We'll use the Pocahontas script!"

[@rainbowremo1]

I actually liked the script more for this one, I love the family stuff

[@portax]

I was hoping you’d point out that saving the main bad guy’s life (whatever his name was) doesn’t matter because they already established they can bring him back to life again anyways.

[@firecrest27]

He wouldnt have any updated memories though presumably, and it takes 8 years to grow an avatar.

[@onthewall119]

@@firecrest27Took longer for this film to come out. They got time.

[@jeffallanday]

@@firecrest27 and what is the purpose to keep the updated memories. More memories of failures?

[@iandavidvillaloboswong5180]

@@firecrest27 Why dont they put him in a human body? Why do they need him physically in a body? Isnt it fine to just leave the AI as an advisor? Wth

[@portax]

@@firecrest27 it doesn’t seem like it was hard to update his memories from the first one. Plus how do we know they only grew one avatar for him?

[@UniverseofDominion]

The real nonsense is that in the original movie, 'avatars' were just that, hosts for VR, someone in a pod controlling a body. The only way Jake was able to inhabit his avatar indefinitely was with Eywa's help. But now downloading minds INTO avatars is apparently a thing with no explanation.

[@salvadorHombre]

I think that can be explained. Jake's actual consciousness was transferred to the Avatar body with Eywa's help. Jake never "died". Quaritch meanwhile actually died. The guy in the second movie is a clone of the original. Not the original in a new body. What this does raise though is the question of why does anyone really want the whale juice so bad. They're effectively immortal with the cloning tech - ie - Altered Carbon style.

[@kittyunderwood8918]

This was one of the few things I didn't see as a plothole tbh. In the first movie, they had the avatars with the science guys that didn't want to destroy the planet. So I just assumed that they were experimenting with creating bodies that didn't need to be avatars elsewhere, and without telling the peaceful science people about it

[@UniverseofDominion]

@@kittyunderwood8918 Remote-controlling a synthetic body and recreating an entire human personality inside a synthetic body are two entirely different fields of neuroscience. It doesn't make sense any way you slice it.

[@salvadorHombre]

@@UniverseofDominion bruh you really want to apply 21st century human neuroscience to a world with hair braid remote control and literal immortality juice?

[@kittyunderwood8918]

@@UniverseofDominion the movie mostly takes place on an alien planet, the humans have science that far surpasses our own. I'm not saying I like that they did that. It was cheap and lessens the 2 whole dramatic scenes in the first movie trying (and apparently succeeding) to do that same thing but with a tree

[@yanwinaung8111]

When you think about it. I think the pitch meeting has the greatest character development. Even though they are performed by the same person, they act diffent. They even sound different. I get used to them so much that they even feel like they are played by different actors. They have diffent personalities.

[@kth007]

Sometimes I forget it's the same person.

[@clickred]

Performed by the same person!!! I see two people.

[@animeforever8508]

@@kth007 So you are saying these aren't his clones, which he imprisoned in some pod or something. You are blowing my mind right now.🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@SuperCosty2010]

Are they the same person??!! Impossible, one of them has glasses!

[@alvaro.martinez]

That's... what... acting is

[@sangmoon2464]

Avatar 2 is like a 90 minute documentary sandwiched in a 90 minute action movie.

[@keomafernandes7442]

And I loved every second of it. I could spend hours and hours with the kids exploring pandora while occasionally fighting.

[@creigmacc]

What did they do with the other 90 minutes of the movie?

[@dusathemaid]

@@keomafernandes7442 I'll be honest. Quarritch's parts were the least interesting part of the movie. If the whole thing was just Jake's family learning how to be like the water na'vi it would have been a lot cooler

[@2manyballfaces]

HAHA yesss lol. I love this movie so much.

[@BoneRazrK]

Cameron should just ditch the story elements altogether and make a series of Documentaries about the places and people of Pandora. The story is just a pretense to exhibit the CGI anyway, so why keep doing it?

[@Ordinary_lettuce]

Making five avatar movies is gonna be super easy barely an inconvenience, bro! - James Cameron

[@somerandolad]

I can't wait another thirteen years for the next one.

[@jacara1981]

@@somerandolad Luckily its already done filming but they are holding till December of 2024 =(

[@koltonknox9836]

@@jacara1981 so much CGI to render lol

[@cptobvius]

Oh really?

[@miriamweller812]

Wood - Water - Fire - (unobtainable) Metal - Love - Then Sully becames Captain Pandora (and even bluer), snaps the bad guys neck (again) with a backflip and saves the day (till they want to squeeze even more money out of it)

[@salleymudd5488]

The Producer's absolute struggle to recall any of the characters or plot points of the original Avatar film was a whole mood.

[@cheeselouise]

How was it "a whole mood" 😂

[@Multi476]

I watched the first one when I was 11 and remembered everything nearly perfectly aside from names. I take that as an absolute win.

[@danielveres4351]

@@Multi476 Yeah, it is exactly the names, no-one remembered. The plot wasn't very complicated in that movie either.

[@LesyasHowTos]

I had to rewatch Avatar 1 again after watching A2 specifically because I remembered NOTHING

[@jiji7250]

@@danielveres4351 who remembers characters from a movie that was released 14 years ago without any other existing ip ? That’s such a dumbass argument about this movie i see the most .

[@nialloreilly702]

This was like a 40 minute movie for plot, and another 2 and a half hours of pretty visuals

[@MikeBrown-bs7qu]

They know that liberals don't focus on story plots, only pretty lights and CGI. Why people were talking about trying to kill themselves cause they couldn't live on that planet, after the first one came out. Sad world we live in.

[@teemyoutube2066]

Kinda like the first, eh.

[@shinebanana4084]

good enough for me

[@ilsgrade8357]

Since there are sequels to come, it's great. It's a big planet and proper world building takes time

[@kokokdharmaputra7776]

pretty visual is the reason I watched it. I ain't gonna complain

[@jacara1981]

The implications of Quaritch's character mean humans have basically developed Cylon style immortality.

[@MGD313]

Good thing they discovered immortal Space Whale Brain Juice!

[@ПетрПетров-о6ъ9н]

Humans have discovered immortality, but Jake Sully is still stuck in this present day wheelchair

[@psbox362]

I was thinking that they got tech a step away from the stacks in Altered Carbon.

[@politicalqueso]

Remember that the premise of the first movie was that it was Jake Sullys twin brother who was supposed to pilot the avatar but he died so they brought in the soldier because he had the same DNA or something. Apparently they didn't need to do this. They could've just..... Downloaded his memories and set him to work

[@wittyjoker4631]

Not only can they just halt aging with the whale juice they can reincarnate altered carbon style...

[@adamrikkers3271]

A part that really had me scratching my head was when Jake Sully knocks Quaritch off his flying animal. It leaves Quaritch defenseless in the water with Jake Sully and his water animal and then… it cuts away so there can be a final fight. (Sorry I don’t know the names of the animals)

[@Thestaalos]

None of us do. Because we didn't care. Because this movie was terribly boring and dull.

[@helion_ut]

So true. I was like "Is he gonna spare him? Will he pull some badass move and get away with being in open water, completely defenseless? Will a random boat save him?" Yeah, none of that, he just reappeared on the ship, totally alright.

[@hyperx72]

I call them dragons and flying dolphins

[@stormSeven]

The one the kids have is called an Ilu and I dunno what the shark moth is called.

[@niceduck6199]

@@Thestaalos learn to watch movies then, you're not a film critic, just turn your brain off for a couple hours and enjoy the pretty colors

[@micalishis]

My favourite part was when the leader of the water tribe was saying that whale was bad because it led a group of other whales to their death and that when others die in battle its just as bad as killing them yourself. And then in almost the next scene he's talking about waging war on the sky people.

[@Efeye-s]

To be fair, he said that that was the way the tulkuns saw it, never anything about the na'vi sharing that point of view.

[@kingvejita8827]

@@Efeye-s than why was he so angry about it ? he treated the whale like it was a monster a criminal and even forbid everyone from going near him and interact with it in anyway.

[@Efeye-s]

@@kingvejita8827 Good point. It may have been because the tulkuns saw it as an outlaw and if the water tribe interacted with it they would see it as a betrayal? Something something diplomatic crisis, I guess?

[@johnhuldt]

I also found it hard to buy how the bad guy got clearance to spend hundreds of millions of dollars in military equipment and I don't know how many lives just for his personal vendetta again Sully.

[@desmondng5375]

In all fairness, this is on paper very strategically sound. Its glossed over fast in the movie but Sully is a general/leader who only recently stepped down, meaning to all humans he's a very high priority target that has to be eliminated. Just so happens that the bad guy's personal vendetta matches up.

[@pepepantuflas1]

Not only that but I imagine that when your traveling planets like hundreds of millions of dollars can be theoretically owned by poor ppl where the super rich own planets

[@raydunakin]

Modern action movies all have to hinge on personal vendettas. No one in these movies ever does anything for any other reason than revenge. Even "historical" movies, such as "Patriot". Fighting for freedom from excessive taxes? Hollywood can't get behind that. So they make the Revolutionary War all about Mel Gibson getting revenge.

[@squamish4244]

@@raydunakin "Fighting for freedom from excessive taxes" doesn't have the same ring to it. Which dramatizations of the Revolutionary War have always struggled with. The stakes seem kind of ridiculous when you stand back and take a look at it, which...uh...they were.

[@samuelhatlestad6676]

@@desmondng5375Is that your head canon or are there facts to go with your theory?

[@calebwinfield1403]

This man is the shining example of providing quantity and quality as equalities.

[@barnacleboi2595]

The ultimate duality.

[@cloneclone5341]

ooohh.. word that ends with "-ty" are tight- uh... toasty?

[@justchris232]

Yes, effective and efficient

[@barnacleboi2595]

@@cloneclone5341 Penis infection.

[@miraculousismyguiltypleasu9372]

Literally 45 minutes after I've come out of the movie, and the moment I'm home from it, Ryan's Pitch Meeting is up.

[@givensurname1296]

Was it as stupid as it sounds?

[@atulsodhi8985]

Describe the movie in 1 or 2 words!

[@ondrejmaceska6196]

@@givensurname1296 yes

[@FussyPickles]

nice bro

[@RealElevenTimes]

@@givensurname1296 no. Story was somewhat basic, but it looked spectacular.

[@daffyphack]

Saw this yesterday, and there was definitely a moment during the end fight where I went "what the hell happened to all the sea people?"

[@burger_kinghorn]

After their chief said "They hunt tulkun. They must die now."

[@crimsonshadow1649]

I just watched it last night at home and that was my reaction too. Also wondered why they didn't just swim under the freakin' fire to get away from the ship and why the mother and young kid ran further INTO the boat instead of towards the water to get back out, coz you can hold their breath longer than average. But of course, it's all so the movie can happen.

[@skepticalsmurf]

guess it wasn't in the CGI budget...

[@jeffwhelan9934]

And twice they point out that “The way of water has no end”. “That’s the name of the movie!” “That’s right, sir. And these sequels will have no end, either!” Excellent job again, Ryan! Knew you could pull this one off!

[@aphato2770]

The sequels may never end but that's because they take a decade tto make

[@Bella-bt1yf]

the bro-ing out nearly killed me. I could see the despair in my dad's eyes everytime they said it 😂

[@lolwhatidk]

they were teenagers raised by a jarhead of course they are gonna sound like that lol

[@lululenox]

@@lolwhatidk doesn't make it ok lol James Cameron should've put more effort in writing a better story than thinking about how teenagers raised by jarhead is supposed to sound like

[@lolwhatidk]

@@lululenox story was fine, characters were fine, haters gonna hate never bet against jim cameron

[@lolwhatidk]

@@lululenox how would you have changed the story?

[@Wis_Dom]

THANK YOU! The "bro" word is beyond cringe. It's dorky kids who think they're cool always saying it to the point that it's not cool at all. LMAO!

[@randyparker4126]

Yea, a very pretty movie but Ryan hit on some of the stuff that had me scratching my head. During the final fight my wife and I looked at each other at the same time and said "Where'd all the freaking Water Tribe disappear too?"

[@KleioChronicles]

The water, I assume.

[@randyparker4126]

@@KleioChronicles I figured that! lol! They just left their new friends? That's harsh dude

[@mvalthegamer2450]

@@randyparker4126 My head cannon is that they were held up in battle against the submarine fleet.

[@agabz9971]

They were like we need to kill them all and just dipped super early

[@eclipsehorse8693]

simple, Cameron ran out of time, money, and interest for needless background na'vi he'd been building up for 2 hours... :)

[@diverd8347]

Note: You forgot to mention if they have mind backing up technology they can implant into Avatars... why did they need Jake to implant his brothers avatar, they would have backed-up his brothers mind just encase, given the significance of the project...

[@KayD]

For the movie to happen

[@trailersnow1703]

May be they didn't had the tech to incorporate memory and avatar during the timeline of the first movie....they may just had the tech to store memory or whatever

[@konradgoscicki6649]

Tom died in 2148. Jake arrived on Pandora in 2154. Quaritch first mentions the project roughly in the same year, shortly before the Assault on the Tree of Souls. Flight from Earth to Pandora itself takes roughly 5 years. Yeah, it is highly probable they didn't know how to do that yet, and the departure was already scheduled (there was more than a hundred fresh employees on that ship. They wouldn't delay it for one guy).

[@laxman6223]

@@trailersnow1703 then why they save the memory of the bad guy from the first movie

[@dv9239]

So technically Nyetiri is doing it with Jake's brother?

[@eora5142]

"I guess the bad guys will have a hard time finding Jake and his family, as they decided to join a random tribe specifically to blend in and disappear" "Actually, it's gonna be super easy. Barely an inconvinience! Indeed, Jake shows his incredible sense of duty and respect towards the people who gave him help and shelter by calling for medical backup that reveals their position, just to then let the local Tsahik fix the problem they called their friends' space helicopter for. Actually, said problem would have techically prevented a significant portion of the finale of the movie from happening, but it's never gonna be mentioned again!"

[@Kasilyn_S]

Tsahik ^^ but ye that part is kinda stupid :x

[@realitymatters4745]

Wow so glad I didn't watch it

[@eora5142]

@@Kasilyn_S thank you, I'll change "zaik" ^^

[@grammarjew569]

@@realitymatters4745 I mean the cinematography is beautiful to watch and avatar 2 for me is perhaps the most beautiful movie after blade runner 2049

[@random-jn8ec]

@@realitymatters4745 you are missing out

[@strangerdanger8491]

I couldn't get over the fact that everyone kept literally drowning and everyone's just magically OK as soon as they're out of the water. Not even coughing up a lung full of water. Some were unconscious for minutes under the water.

[@reignman30]

Only when the plot called for it though, otherwise they were able to hold their breath forever.

[@havenbastion]

Death is no problem at all, barely an inconvenience.

[@apolloniakageaki1711]

​@@havenbastionSully's oldest kid got slightly inconvenienced

[@Priscabc]

Na'vi lack the instinctual breathing humans have. When humans run out of air, they instinctually try to breathe, get a lungful of water, and die. Na'vi don't, so even if they died, they'd do so with clear lungs.

[@kittyunderwood8918]

When Sully started coughing while being swam to the top, but then the whale helped them swim to the top and he magically didn't need to cough anymore before making it out of the water

[@dannne88]

I love how he manage to sum up a 3,5h long movie in 5 min and not missing any details.

[@177SCmaro]

I havn't seen it, don't have any intention to, but is the plot really that thin given them making fun of it only took 5 or 6 minutes?

[@Spittin_Sax]

@@177SCmaro the movie was just "now there's water creatures!"

[@177SCmaro]

@@Spittin_Sax Lol

[@stargirl7646]

It’s 3.5 hours long?!

[@Woutva]

@@stargirl7646 And feels like 5!

[@Lyallart]

The movie visually was amazing. Story wise… hold a gun to my head, tell me to name any of the new characters other than Sigourney Weaver, and I’m dead.

[@Randomvideos3200]

I kept hearing "Kitty" instead of "Kiri" and thought "wow they're actually leaning into the cat people jokes"

[@hathnuz]

I only remember Spider and Kiri tbh

[@AnnikaSB]

@@Randomvideos3200 I came home from the theaters thinking her name was Kitty 😂

[@BBest1996]

Kiri, Netyem, lo’ak spider, tuk

[@BBest1996]

@@Lyallart ronal, tonowari

[@ZazuYen]

I love how they're just completely shocked that the 'space people' come back with a vengeance, like Jake went native and completely forgot how human beings work even though he'd been in the Marins for years. I remember after the first film there was TONS of speculation on message boards about what Earth's response would be and how long it would take them to get back to Pandora. Humans aren't known for just taking a beating and walking away. It was silly they felt they had to justify it with the never-mentioned-again tossed off line "Earth's dying and we're going to colonize this planet now". Like, WHAT? Can we dive into that a little more? Nope! Here's 5 more minutes of beautiful fish though.

[@CactusCowboyDan]

Yeah would have been better if the movie had built up to the invasion from earth. Instead of rushing through it in the first 5 minutes and expecting us to just accept it.

[@kalakritistudios]

"Best I can do is fish."

[@kalakritistudios]

I remember when Jake had 5 years of flying dreams before Pandora and was like said, "I was born for this." while flying and now he rides a fish. I hope he rides his dragon more next parts.

[@h2ojr1]

I totally forgot about the whole Earth is dying and this NEEDS to be the new earth note. They breezed over it so fast that I thought the humans came back to make money off the Whale brain juice

[@CactusCowboyDan]

@@h2ojr1 Speaking of that whole plot point, if earth is dying then why did they spend so much money and resources on an invasion when they could have tried to actually fix earth’s problems? At the end of the day they are trying to colonise a hostile planet that is not suitable for humans. What’s the point? And what’s stopping the Navi from just pushing them off world again like last time? Also I don’t get the brain juice harvesting. They briefly mentioned that it apparently stops the aging process therefore can make someone immortal I guess. That’s why they sell it at a high price. But……how does it work exactly? And why haven’t those fishermen used it on themselves?

[@wickedshadesproductions5254]

I’m starting to realize that I’m spending lots of money to watch movies for hours while Ryan is just explaining them in 5 minutes for free

[@Thefirstbrady]

The worst part of that is these scripts write themselves I'm sure. He's not even reaching here for plot holes. Every movie these days man...cinema is dead. I just double checked to be sure and I was right. He hasn't done one for Dune. With how big of a movie that was, that tells me it's an honest to god good film. Probably because the story is 50 years old and they didn't F with the source material.

[@izmirs.]

@@Thefirstbrady this movie was great. And cinema is not dead, it's you.

[@bravetherainbow]

I love how this implies that movies are basically just information, like James Cameron is just informing us about what's been happening on Pandora

[@Collect2Disconnect]

I watched it for free online

[@Collect2Disconnect]

@@Thefirstbrady doing a pitch meeting for Dune would be super easy barely a inconvenience I could probably do it myself

[@blank3478]

Watching the movie in theaters only to understand the pitch meetings better is tight and brolatable.

[@iforgot87872]

Are you serious?

[@barnacleboi2595]

Same tho. Same. Penis infection.

[@brucelucasjr5856]

I watch Pitch Meeting & Honest Trailers to get the gist of flicks I'm never gonna watch

[@iforgot87872]

@@brucelucasjr5856 I wish I was as cool as all of you, you’re so edgy for never watching movies

[@Don-Scrima]

I love how short the plot summary was despite how long the movie was; it’s really a testament to how little actually happens in this movie.

[@Don-Scrima]

@user-zp9we2ul7n ‘Sounds like something a scammer would say.

[@thebatman4279]

You could write the plot on the back of a postage stamp. 13 years for THIS??

[@ibnmianal-buna3176]

@@thebatman4279 Well I think a simple plot works fine as long as its executed well, which this movie was for me. Cameron tends to make movies with simple plots like Terminator 1 and 2, Titanic, and more. Not every plot needs to be as complicated as Inception or Mission Impossible. And he wasn't just working on this movie's script for 13 years, he was making the scripts for 2 other movies too and working on their complex special effects while inventing new technology to do mo-cap underwater.

[@JDazell]

The whole thing could have been a 30 minutes Saturday morning cartoon

[@YamiAi]

Well, he did skip oit on the brothers' relationship. And on the bullying stuff. And on the training stuff. You know, a lot.

[@fallencloud2946]

Nobody gonna talk about: How mini-Grace complains about being different while never thinking about how spider might felt that way? Or how spider was abandoned, tortured, taken hostage by Neytiri after being obviously afraid of her rage against humans? Or how spider prevented the deaths of the water tribe members and never receives acknowledgment? And despite all that still remains loyal to the Sullys??? No???? no...

[@christophhermann6913]

He was like a second away from beeing rage killed by neytiri but everybody just ignored that a minute later. And also nobody ever wanted to rescue him. Poor kid. The most unbelievable thing was, that he didn't turn evil (yet) Also: choking somebody out under water seems illogical:) he can't breath anyways. And having a final were downing is the fear was also weird as they all can hold their breaths for 20 minutes or so 😂😂

[@burger_kinghorn]

@@christophhermann6913 it's a blood choke to cut of circulation to the brain so they lose consciousness.

[@AppleJackSix]

@@christophhermann6913 I know you wrote this like 3 months ago, but there are 2 kinds of choke holds-the kind that constructs the esophagus to block airflow to the lungs, and the kind that constricts the neck arteries to block blood flow to the brain. In the movie they were using blood choke holds. In the real world, this kind of choke hold renders a human unconscious in 3 seconds if done properly. Underwater, you can’t punch or kick hard, so without weapons the only things you can do is bite, try to get the other person to run out of breath before you do, or choke hold, all of which require grappling. The movie had a lot of unbelievable stuff but them choking each other under water wasn’t crazy I thought.

[@energyknowsbest7853]

As I watched the movie, I was thinking he'd have a difficult time making a PM about it, but then the water tribe completely disappeared while it turned into Titanic.... I said "there it is" and now it's "super easy, barely an inconvenience."

[@mysticdustz7115]

So you just watched Jake leave his entire tribe and abandon the forest people not because he thought they were at war with the forest people but because they were targeting him. So he decided to to go endanger some random fucking peaceful water tribe that’s never been at war

[@chjabr0010]

@@mysticdustz7115 The Best part is how leaving the forest tribe wouldn't even protect them. How would the villains know he left? What's stopping them from still attacking the forest tribe to figure out where he was?

[@loiracitr]

There is not a single thing in this movie that makes sense. The pitch meeting kind of did itself

[@atomicviking2497]

@PaperJamxnz obviously the humans knocked, but Jake wasn't home, so they stopped the war.

[@joemorales4288]

@@mysticdustz7115 the tribe moved to the floating mountains and are naturally protected from the humans because of the location and it's magnetism which disrupts the technology which only allows them to be in that air space for less than 10 minutes at a time. Secondly, it seems like the Eywa defense response using the wildlife still seems to be in effect (akin to an immune system response attacking a virus) which is why they need the Marine Avatars to do the recon instead.

[@charliesu2584]

The biggest thing I can't get over is that the humans came back presumably to continue mining Unobtanium. So Jake and his family leaves to "protect their home and friends", so what are the forest Navi going to do now? Just watch their forest get mined??

[@nbarbettini]

They mentioned in the movie that the goal of the humans changed and now it was to completely colonize/terraform Pandora because Earth was uninhabitable. But that wasn't mentioned again, and like two hours later the thing about whale brain juice being valuable was mentioned too.

[@acapier]

@@nbarbettini; if they have terraforming tech to make Pandora habitable, why couldn’t they just use it on Earth to do the same?

[@nbarbettini]

@@acapier Not enough unobtainium? Who knows!

[@michaeldeboer]

@@acapier I think the entire point was that they stripped and mined Earth so much and destroyed so much of its nature that the Earth has become uninhabitable, and they're going to not learn anything and do the same to Pandora too. Which is a fine message. I just wish they'd have more scenes of this nature trying to kill all people, like more predators, bacteria, diseases, venomous creatures, poisonous plants, deadly stingrays, lethal jellyfish... Nature is all so beautiful and friendly on Pandora maybe, Earth not so much.

[@PurpleNugget64]

@@nbarbettini I got the impression the colonists figured why waste shipping everything back home when they can just use it on their new home for themselves since Earth is dying

[@traxathon4464]

My favorite part is the end when they're all in danger because of the water after they spent the entire movie learning how to be good in water

[@MR._SNAJI]

Lol

[@qayxswedcrfv1]

I mean i guess i see your point, but wasnt this precisely the reason they survived? Like they wouldnt have if they hadnt learned "the way of water"?

[@shihoblade]

The parents didnt really learn the way. Neytiri doesnt even ride a water mount. The kids did most of the learning and they saved the parents.

[@shihoblade]

@@JustinWilliams-ed2ug As someone who actually saw the movie, it was worth the money. Thats a movie experience Im not likely to forget and you cant replicate it at home. Its fine if you arent interested butnyall haters really out here talking like most people who saw the mobie IMAX 3D left the theater disappointed.

[@blueproxy]

@@JustinWilliams-ed2ug What's "hilariously stupid" is people who haven't even seen the movie talking all this shit. I myself think the script was kinda dumb but I'm allowed to say that because I actually saw the movie... Also I saw it in imax 3D and don't at all feel like I wasted my money. I went in expecting a visual experience, not an S tier script. And that's exactly what I got and I was satisfied.

[@AsifAAli]

"Looks like they wanted an expertise from someone who did not succeed last time..." LMAO 😂😂👏🏼👏🏼

[@robertmatthias]

I love that the whale juice stopping human aging is just completely glossed over in the movie. “Hey, there’s this thing that makes miracles happen” “Oh cool, so about those blue guys”

[@fordgtguy]

$80 million per ounce; seems REALLY cheap for something that stops the human aging process. A single ounce of Francium is worth $29~ billion; so the claim that it was the most expensive element is laughable too.

[@Ivyleaf2]

I just assumed it will come up in a sequel. Then they can point to this line in avatar 2 and pat themselves on the back for the excellent setup

[@tntproductions1996]

@@fordgtguy Maybe the production cost of Francium dropped significantly in the future.

[@fordgtguy]

@@tntproductions1996 Earth is apparently dying and dystopian. I highly doubt the economy became cheaper. If such rare elements became cheap to make than they wouldn't need to travel light-years to mine and harvest them. A single sample of the ooze would be enough to break it down and create it artificially atom by atom.

[@tntproductions1996]

@@fordgtguy To be fair though, this version of Earth seems to be much more advanced (we don't have exoskeltons/power armor or spaceships at the moment, atleast not as good as what we see in both films). Then again, it's also pretty likely that the whaler crew probably don't even know about Francium is considering how stupid the humans can get :/

[@Arob4343]

I like how 13 years actually fits perfectly with the in universe lore. 6 lightyears between Earth and Pandora. So the beaten humans travel to Earth and back in 12 years. Then we do that 1 year later skip and pow, 13 years

[@Wyatt125]

4 light years. The Ships just don't travel at 99% light speed. More like 70%

[@oyuyuy]

@@Wyatt125 I love how you're trying to rationalize science fiction. Real spaceships travel at about 0.003% the speed of light, fictional ones travel however fast they want.

[@TF2CrunchyFrog]

They said in the first movie that the spaceship needed 5 years for the 4 lightyears (damn fast, but then they figured out intersystem spacetravel and the implication from the 1st movie is their engines involve fusion and superconductors, which is why they wanted the Unobtainium). So 5 years back to Earth, reporting to the corporation and/or government, a board of directors spending months discussing what to do about the situation, more months outfitting a new expedition, hiring mercenaries, cloning an Avatar body for the villain etc, then 5 years back to Pandora.

[@raymondwen4210]

@@Wyatt125 it's a movie with weird creature and blue space Indigenous people with tentacles. But yes, let's rationalize it with science

[@yarpen26]

@@raymondwen4210 Actually, the ship design from the original got quite a lot of praise over its plausibility, with the solar sail (currently our best chance of reaching any other star and receiving feedback from it within a human lifetime, if obviously still in research) as the propelling technology being used. I hated how the Na'Vi seem to care nothing for the astronomy though. We barely even see Pandora's night sky which would be bound to be amazing, with the main planet and Alpha Centauri A and B visible.

[@legofan4409]

You also have the whole plot of the adopted child wanting to find out who her father is + the fact that she might die if she links up with the tree. The movie is three hours long and never comes back to this. Even if it is done as a setup for the next movie it felt odd that they don't mention it afterwards.

[@e.t.2914]

Im hoping it just dropped all the cool plot threads for the sake of making a generic type catch up movie before the real meat in the sequels. If not i'm going to be devastated.

[@sburbtube6766]

Well obviously she is Jesus

[@snoopy104]

Futilly wondering who female protagonists' parents are is tight!

[@sethkoffler2571]

Did you even finish the movie?? Kiri saves tuk and neytiri with the same thing causing her episodes, her connection to their goddes. It's her entire arc. Learning to come into her unique connection with eywa, which makes her an outcast but also allows her to use the planets biology as a tool to fight the whalers and save her family. It's not that they didn't come back to the plot point, you're just so committed to the bandwagon you can't even pay attention to the movie

[@e.t.2914]

@@sethkoffler2571 you are right that they did come back to it and give people an answer, the problem is that they are right that the way they used it was unsatisfying. She connects just fine with other plants and animals without issue, so it definitely seems like they drop the ball with the epilepsy plot whenever she has a direct connection to ewya via home tree. I mean, theres a moment when she's about to get answers from grace and the way they cut away implies to the audience that they are teasing and are going to come back to it later. They do not.

[@BuffaloSpiritGuide]

I liked the line where the colonel Avatar meets the new military commander and she says ‘Colonel, I’ve heard good things’ Like how he completely failed the first time, unnecessarily provoked the natives into a war they ultimately lost, failed as a military leader, etc.. Should’ve been ‘Wow Colonel… you’re back… for some reason…well our budgets maxed so go find a mop and make yourself useful’

[@An_Able]

Gotta love Ryan doing an any% speedrun of appeasing the algorithm at the end

[@coolguy338]

My biggest gripe with the movie is that with downloading a person consciousness AND having cryo sleep human have basically unlocked immortality. Why not just find a new planet at that point

[@loiracitr]

Edie Falco said that they want Pandora for colonisation but humans cannot breathe in its atmosphere? Makes no sense lol

[@cymond]

@@loiracitr terraform the planet?

[@QuadinarosLS]

Just because you can download your memories and personality into a cloned body doesn't mean you're immortal. Quaritch from the first movie is still just as dead as he ever was, the "new" Quaritch is a different person.

[@nool9046]

I guess Pandora is the closest habitat planet

[@wyrdean_9649]

They mentioned in the first movie that pandora is the first they've seen that's habitable, after as much looking as they could possibly afford

[@ComeWhatMay24]

Making a movie that needs to be one of the highest grossing films ever in order to break even is not so easy, very much an inconvenience.

[@mr.joshua6818]

100%

[@jimmyjamm4432]

Wow, wow, wow...... Wow!

[@miriamweller812]

Just make it long and 3d to make a lot of extra money per ticket.

[@mariokarter13]

People forget that the first movie only became the highest grossing film of all time because it was in 3D. That's an extra $5-10 on every ticket.

[@LucianDevine]

Yup, has to be the 6th highest grossing movie of all time just to break even!

[@bodenlosedosenhose1590]

Love how Ryan used the "bro bro bro" statement as sort of a "wow wow wow" counterpart for Pitch Guy.

[@mnsnerd]

'Oh, this guy HATES when sea vessels float as intended!' Classic! I also love how quickly Screenwriter guy says 'Heyshutup' now. Another terrific video, Ryan. Thank you and Merry Christmas!

[@SireneKalypso]

He's been saying that lol

[@millennialmatt7]

2:23 Actually the reason Jack and Ney'tiri were the only ones who could rescue their kids there was because they were conveniently closest. But yeah he's right about there being no reason the Metkayina reef people didn't go Battle of Little Bighorn on Quaritch and his Marines.

[@warwickthekingmaker7281]

General Quarich Custer

[@NoobMaster-lq9yb]

scammer in ur comment

[@tanyam9853]

“Oh this guy hates when sea vessels float as intended!” - I just about died laughing.

[@abandonablesnowman]

😂😂

[@nottherealben]

@Anno Kitsune original comment i haven't seen 20 times already on this thread

[@VitchAndVorty]

Like people on Titanic. //Too soon?

[@alexandriaburnett2801]

@annokitsune.worldbridger well considering it was the funniest part...

[@xxPenjoxx]

Me too, favourite joke in the sketch

[@samuelsherman5513]

I went and saw this at the last showing one of the first coupled days the movie was out. So it was super late at night and I had just spent 10 hours driving back home after being out of town, had a really bad cold and was on like 4 different types of medicine and was sitting there at like 1am and thought I was losing it once the whale started talking. The fact that it just played like regular whale sounds and had subtitles pop up at the bottom saying “it’s too painful” when the kid tried asking about the whale’s past literally pushed me over the edge

[@jimbrody4945]

That’s when I realized this is literally a cartoon about a boy who befriends a talking whale.

[@theresheblows]

😂😂😂

[@stellviahohenheim]

I can't wait for the horror story of the cast and crew from James Camerons direction

[@jmack8767]

... what? There's a TALKING WHALE? In this movie? There's a.... WHAT?

[@samuraicupcake289]

I knew I cared nothing for the story when the only thing that got me invested again was the mini Free (alien) Willy subplot. I was like it talks now? It talks now. It makes zero sense... but I like the sound effects 🧠💨🤤👍

[@omgthisissoawesome]

A pitch meeting for this movie was the best Christmas present! I swear this movie was just 9 different cliche storylines mushed together. Though Kiri's entire storyline where she has like some sort of powers but also epilepsy (???) when she plugs her ponytail into the plant thing, but then she just magically manages to control the sea creatures in the end by doing the thing that gave her seizures but not having any seizures this time was particularly baffling

[@hansolo235]

“Why didn’t she have seizures this time?” “Because.” “Well ok then.”

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

I'd say Perun's hour-long PowerPoint on 6th gen fighters is the best present, this one gets the well-deserved 2nd place.

[@micahberlin8332]

She had a seizure with the spirit tree specifically. I kinda think she’s gonna be a Jesus metaphor and her “father” is eywa

[@dizzlegrizzle1919]

I think it is pretty clear that she is meant to be a child born from the planet itself. must have impregnated her when they were tied up in the last movie trying to save her life. In a way it did... she was reborn

[@callnight1441]

i think the seizures were due to it being the spirit tree and therefore having a stronger connection to eywa. i assume it was to set up something for the next one

[@keenfire8151]

"They were unable to obtain it... that checks out" I damn near choked on my food. 🤣

[@keith_dixon]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium

[@bryanf6638]

In another universe, you did choke on your food and died while watching a KZbin video.

[@pcfry8732]

"James Cameron specifically requested that, I don't know what to tell ya." "Ohhhhhh, this guy freakin' HATES when sea vessels float as intended!"

[@PowerPandaMods]

"You think it's gonna be kinda weird to hear a senior citizen's voice coming out of a kid?" Nailed it. The Sigourney Weaver of 15 years ago could have pulled it off, but she just sounded old.

[@Allaiya.]

@mohamed zayan Me too

[@burger_kinghorn]

@@mohamedzayan706 she reprised the role of Grace when Kiri had that vision.

[@fermintenava5911]

That's her fault for getting wrapped in James Cameron's web all over again... and again... and again...

[@phelixkraft6964]

I knew you gonna mention that the sea people didnt take part in the final fight. Ive watched so many pitch meetings Im now looking for "shut up" or "super easy barely an inconvenience" moments in the film and get even more excited to see you do a PM then the film it self. Keep doing what you do, Ryan! Love from Norway

[@m.c.artiste]

Same here honestly 🤣 I kept hearing Ryan’s voice say that while I was watching the film in theaters 😅

[@hhylobates4098]

Right?? The daughter of the sea tribe was still with the Sully family right up to the end, while her parents and the rest of the tribe were no where to be seen. You would think they could at least have someone come up and grab her, force her to leave the Sully's to the problem they had brought on themselves. But that would mean pointing out the flaws in the "heros" of the plot.

[@treehuggerkyle]

I can’t believe Ryan didn’t address the sudden change to English at the beginning, just because “I basically hear English now” … but that fell apart when humans actually speaking English were speaking the same language as Jake’s kids, who he imagined were speaking English.

[@insertcoolnamelater9334]

Not just English, suddenly every blue teenage bro talked like a human teenage bro would talk, bro.

[@carcrashjayson]

Yeah, completely unbelieveable that the kids that grew up with a father that spoke English and were surrounded by scientists that spoke English would pick up on any of it.

[@johnperry3093]

That didn’t bother me because it’s simply there for the convenience of the audience. Having to use subtitles for the long stretch of the Sullys learning the way of water would have been annoying. The subtitles were used at points when both languages were being said so it never got confusing. Also this may be nitpicking your comment, but I just saw the movie an hour ago and I believe the line was “It may as well be English.” He is not imagining them speaking English. He just knows the new language like his first

[@brucearthur8885]

What else were they supposed to do? lol

[@genieinthepot2455]

@@insertcoolnamelater9334 not really. "bro" is a translated word. The avatar would have their own word for "bro" in Na'vi which is then translated to english. It's just slang.

[@patrzy]

I was really suprised that you didnt mention that in single movie they kidnap kids of the main guy few times and fail to take advantage of it. The best part is that in the end 'good guys' took as hostage kid and it works

[@ryangallagher8194]

There are so many hostage standoffs in the movie that it makes you wonder why they actually think their kids are in danger by the fourth.

[@thedarkemissary]

Literally worked both ways. Got Jake to put his weapons down. Got Quarritch to put his weapons down.

[@essa6315]

Kidnapping those kids is super easy - barely an inconvenience.

[@arthurbriand2175]

I love the kid that says "I can't believe I'm tied up again!". Because she spends the entire movie getting captured and put in dangerous situations.

[@sericsson1996]

@@arthurbriand2175 Her name is literally Tuk. They kept Taking her as hostage. Fits perfectly :)

[@HUTZKIKLON]

I'm just missing the part where the main bad guy to spider is like: hey wanna help tremendously in helping to kill all your family and your tribe? And he is like "yeah sure, but don't hurt them or whatever and I will show you everything"

[@Bamgeutcutiepie]

it was SUPER weird the ocean people were suddenly gone in the last act 😭😭😭

[@jsinjapan1689]

Reminded me of the last act of the original trilogy of Pirate of the Caribbean movies. After they had gotten all the other pirate to fight with them, they just kinda stayed back and watched the main even.

[@mgilbert9004]

Wild thing was that I didn't even think about it at first for some reason 💀

[@samuelrichards1288]

I assume that their will be some deleted scenes that shows that they are fighting the submarines once the boats are taken care of. Maybe they will release an extended edition like the first one did.

[@mxfg1535]

It’s because 50vs1 would be awful

[@paradoxtatorstudios9681]

@@jsinjapan1689 breh i remember that, they both brought entire armadas both of which did nothing 😂

[@nitsuanew]

James Cameron forgot to tell a story in this visually stunning movie.

[@nitsuanew]

and stole an idea from Altered Carbon

[@_garebear]

You might actually make Jim Cameron cry a little bit over this one. Well done, @Pitch Meeting.

[@LXKeemProductions]

why did you tag in a youtube comment? lol

[@gab5012]

@@LXKeemProductions what are you talking about? This is instagram😂

[@gregbors8364]

He’ll cry on the giant pile of money he sleeps on every night

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

@@gab5012 nah man this is obviously Twitter 🙄

[@jimh472]

@@Marvelfanatic3658 MySpace has entered the chat

[@kevtb874]

"Water is different from forest!" I don't why that made me laugh so hard.

[@tedarcher9120]

Gonna be air next

[@devinnall2284]

Which means the 4th movie will be on volcano representing fire and completing the avatar cycle

[@pladselsker8340]

Water is very obviously different from forest, and so pointing it out explicitely as if that was new information shows how little the Ryan that's trying to pitch his movie thought about it.

[@kevtb874]

@@pladselsker8340 nah. I think what tickles me is that a basic change of scenery is enough to impress producer Ryan as if this will be an entirely different movie and experience. It's in fact a carbon copy of the first. The water theme is practically the only thing that distinguishes it from the first. All the use of 'water' as a place. Not ocean. Or coast. Or even underwater. Just 'water'.

[@du6167]

Bizarrely enough, the Human Boy's relationship with General Military Guy was the most interesting part of the movie for me and the ending made me sit up a little more straight in my seat because of it. But it was basically just two scenes - at the end and start of the movie and literally nothing in between...

[@whydontyouhandledeez]

I liked Spider's relationship with the Sully family. The kids obviously see him like a brother, while Jake sees him more as this adopted son that he tries to love while not really being able to love him like a real member of the family, and finally you have Neytiri who is tolerant but obviously harbors some deep seated racism. Overall it makes his relationship with the family pretty nuanced and interesting, and is probably the only part of the movie I think Cameron executed well from start to finish.

[@hahaha_lol4079]

I agree! The whole plot was predictable and cliche, and it was only those little scenes that perked up my interest.

[@mx2000]

Yeah, also how the Sully family had their little reunion moment and literally no one giving a single thought about Spider’s whereabouts. Also that whole “a son for a son” scene from Neytiri sure is gonna make family dinner conversations awkward.

[@timbradshaw5481]

Are you sure you are not oversimplifying the movie to make it easier for you to comprehend?

[@RandomUserX99]

@@mx2000 literally no one gives a shit about Spider save the daughter who wants to bang him.

[@scrantondangler8068]

My favorite parts of pitch meetings has evolved over the years. First it was "wow wow wow wow wow" then "tight" now it's "hey shut up". Thanks for all the entertainment. Happy holidays everyone.

[@raielle]

Hey, shut up!

[@Dr.Gillingstein]

bro bro bro bro... bro

[@rdwn1999]

He still says all of them tho

[@magicmulder]

I missed the “listen, I need you to go get aaaall the way off my back about this” - “OK let me get off of that thing” part this time, that’s my favorite.

[@Matteo_the_Plague_Doctor]

"This guy freakin HATES when sea vessels float as intended!" Oh my god that line had me doubled over in laughter.

[@j-dawg4774]

"He probably just caused a lot of future pain and suffering for all of his loved ones" Agreed.

[@thebelen2359]

I mean, the humans had a way to bring him back anyhow, so it doesn't really matter. They'll probably use it as a plot point to produce drama between the characters though.

[@Music1234713]

"They were unable to obtain it." Best line of this video lol

[@angelawilhite3645]

Beautiful. Beautiful.

[@MyNameIsBucket]

The name should've told them; they only have themselves to blame.

[@ricardozamora6501]

Sadly, it's wrong, they did pretty much (spoilers) level the entire forest and have unrestricted access to all the resources under it...

[@hanburgundy4317]

@Ricardo Zamora Yep. Entire first movie was undone in the first five minutes if this one. Then, Jake and his family (just gonna pretend that Neytiri's mother Mo'at and the rest of the Omaticaya aren't family, too, like the first movie explained) just run away and abandon the jungle and the People and never look back. So... aren't the humans just gonna kill the Omaticaya and take their stuff, now? Eywa isn't gonna stop them, either? The entire first movie was pointless?

[@ricardozamora6501]

@@hanburgundy4317 This was literally my first thought after coming out of the movie theater. "Videogame sequel syndrome" I called it, when all the progress done in the first part is completely made insignificant in the introduction of the sequel, that's what happens when the stakes on the first movie are very high already, so the only way to raise the stakes is to go soo overboard that it makes everything feel dull in comparison. But, at the same time, they set up the stakes so that now we are going to have both, the water people and the Forest people to raise against the human imperialists

[@ibnwarraq7826]

The fast "hey shut up" is hilarious everytime.

[@scottcameronpedigo219]

I assume you've watched "Archer", and enjoyed the many instances of "shut up" in every episode.

[@Dan_Yerlll]

It’s not as funny as his other motifs. It’s kinda a fail.

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

@@Dan_Yerlll imo I kinda agree

[@icydsting6037]

@@Dan_Yerlll I prefered the you need to get all the way off my back one.

[@StingrayGhost]

It absolutely NEVER gets old!! Ryan is a comic genius!!!

[@JerryMcB3rry]

Went to see this with my coworkers and my boss commented afterwards the absurdity of how many times that they said "bro" in the movie. Glad that that got a spotlight here haha.

[@omdhdk]

Thank you. I thought I was the only one who noticed how many times they said bro. It really got on my nerves by the end of the movie. Like how am I supposed to believe that an alien spicies who doesn't like humans talk like teens from the 21st century? 😅

[@strawberryfox8819]

It's the fact that Neteyam was literally written to die. We barely develop his character, we just know he's doomed from the start because he's constantly getting hurt because of Lo'ak insisting they do something. We see a lot of him in the background and if he had put a little more effort into him (maybe less Woah scenes from Kiri), his death would've been a lot more impactful. But right now, the only reason his death hurts is because we know how it impacts the other characters. The only ones who are truly sad to have lost Neteyam are the simps. I also wonder how they'll handle the fact that Neytiri very seriously attempted to kill Spider because "a son for a son". Not caring that Kiri is really fucking attached to him.

[@trailersnow1703]

agree........i never felt a thing when he died

[@cloud__99]

I honestly expected he‘d get killed in the first battle sequence already when he and Lo‘ak go down to the battle field lol

[@strawberryfox8819]

@@cloud__99 Same. I was like "Oh, he's a goner, just a matter of time".

[@Allaiya.]

100% same. Just watched and it didn't surprise me he was the death.

[@jaeminssocks]

Same! I knew it was coming! Every time he popped up on screen I questioned if he was going to die, because I just knew! It’s so sad! I genuinely enjoyed his character.

[@benjaminparent4115]

I surprised they didn't mention how whaler underestimate Tulkun. Because they never fightback, but in the movie, a Tulkun was literrally banned for leading an assaut against a whaler and getting everyone killed. Also in the flashback a single whaler ship absolutely slaughter a a whole army easily, but At the end the ship is easily defeated like it is super easy barely an inconvenience

[@TraceguyRune]

Actually, I thought that Tulkun was thought to have killed the others personally.

[@brucearthur8885]

@@TraceguyRune No that's what the water tribe thought, I think. When his memories are viewed, it's revealed they were killed fighting back with an assault. I think that's why he 'got them killed'

[@genieinthepot2455]

I don't think Payakan "lead an assault" or anything. I think his group of Tulkun were being hunted and Payakan fought back and killed a human. The philosphogy of the Tulkun is extremely against killing, which was explained in the movie, so Payakan became an outcast. None of the other Tulkun fight back at all because of their idealogy. I'm assuming that there is more than just that one singular whaling ship so that mini incident happened to one of maybe 10s of whaling operations so our whaler was not aware.

[@klas666]

Heyshutup!

[@benjaminparent4115]

@@genieinthepot2455 Nope in the falshback you see Na'Vi being gunned down, and the chief literally said he is responsible for the death of several of Na'Vi and Tulkun, by leading an assault. And I am fairly confident, i didn't dreamed that sequence because even fan wiki said he lead an assault that lead to the death Tulkun and Na'Vi.

[@mattp6089]

You should have made this pitch meeting about 45 minutes long with roughly three total lines worth of story in in. Then it would somewhat mirror the feeling of watching Avatar 2.

[@gnostic2459]

The opening scene where the RDA just vaporizes huge swathes of Pandora with no opposition should have been the whole movie.

[@obhatti]

And I don't remember that happening in the first one - so how did they land everything on Pandora the first time?

[@seppdereinzigwahre3482]

@@obhatti Same way I guess. When Jake arrived everything was already there.

[@GeriatricFan1963]

@@seppdereinzigwahre3482 Exactly. I liked how it contrasted so heavily with the first film's opening; instead of seeing the whole mission from Jake's original perspective, where it's all about him getting a fresh start, we see the humans from the Na'vi perspective as aggressive and ruthless invaders who destroy everything in their path. The shot of the mechs stomping out of their dropship into an already burning jungle was really striking.

[@alaskamark4562]

I'd go see that movie in a heartbeat, hail the Imperium of Man!

[@VanquishedAgain]

​@@obhatti they had the giant spaceship, the Valkyrie. In the first one they were maybe pretending not to be the bad guys but in 2nd they don't really care

[@TheTwiceborn95]

“Hey that guy just hates when sea-vessels float as intended”… this joke aged very well

[@tylermcdonald7751]

How about that Naytiri is for some reason terrified of water and runs away from her obvious escape from the sinking boat (i.e. the way she entered it) because she is afraid of said water. Didn't 70% of the movie focus on teaching the family and audience not to be afraid of the water? Where was Naytiri?

[@manofthehour4747]

The writers needed to come up with an excuse to have Kiri save the day 🙄 I was thinking the same thing like the way they came in was the way they could have escaped smh. Same thing with Jake and Lo'ak; even though it was pretty obvious they weren't going to kill anyone else off after the eldest son, I was kind of hoping that Jake was actually going to drown in the sinking ship, as it would have been a pretty realistic and powerful way for the writers to kill off his character and place his sons as the head of the film going forward. Was hoping it would have been Neteyam, but they pretty much marked him for death at the start of the film. While I am vaguely interested to see where this story intends to go, what we got in this film was a little lackluster in spite of the great visual effects and expanding on Pandora's mythos.

[@missilluminati3389]

Well, Neytiri pretty much disappeared from that part of the movie so it kinda fits lol

[@rylieharris4417]

Water physics don't work like that. Think about the part where she couldn't get the door open because of the water flowing in and the pressure keeping it shut. Trying to swim back up where all the water was coming in from would simply not be possible. At least, by the look of it, it seemed to be a fairly deep hatchway which would only add to the difficulty.

[@micahberlin8332]

I like when spider is trying to explain where the daughters are and jake is like whoah whoah whoah what the heck are you talking about? Then spiders like I’ll show you. Immediately when they get on the ship Jake’s like okay where are they, and he describes it almost in the same way but slower then jake immediately understands all the words he was just confused by and tells spider to stay back. There was no point of bringing him lol

[@mynamejeff8401]

So true

[@hibiki88]

then poor spider almost gets murdered by someone who raised him and doesn't even get a sorry at the end

[@La-PetitMort]

@@hibiki88 deserved

[@laughslapproductions4690]

He brought him so Jake can fight his dad a third time in the next sequel

[@catonkybord7950]

@@hibiki88 Naytiri gave me very bad Catelyn Stark vibes, if you know what I mean 😬

[@PumpkinDude314]

i like how they made sure not to show blood to keep the age rating low then a severed arm flies through the air

[@Colinkrauss1]

I can’t fully explain why, but the way George Ryan says “Everybody does” (3:04) in response to Ryan George’s enjoyment of disciplinary lectures, is tight!

[@ivanmajic8794]

Finally someone talking about the plot problems, thank you Ryan

[@SeraphsWitness]

Is that sarcasm? Lol

[@friesontheside_]

You should check out the Critical Drinker's review if you like that.

[@christophercarson6634]

@@molodezhnaja Grow up, child.

[@ritzyllama]

the entire movie is a plot problem... but if the box office is any indicator stuff that looks pretty and is dumb enough to talk about will put butts in seats. No accounting for taste i suppose

[@alexandrea.campioti5516]

@@molodezhnaja thanks for the dumbest comment today

[@ernestogilioli9164]

I think spider saving quarrich might have actually been a smart decision, if quarrich died there the humans could have just made another clone or put someone else in its position. By saving him instead spider created a weakness, the cloned quarrich already showed signs of having a soft spot for his "son" and with spider saving his life he's gonna be even more reluctant to attack the sully family as long as spider is with them.

[@LC-sc3en]

For Spider it had a tinge of honor. A life for a life. Ass-hole was willing to kill his siblings to survive but gave up his hostage to save Spider. Spider owed him one.

[@Cathiina]

They gonna clone a whole army of Quarriches for the next one.

[@seancurran9982]

Quarrich is definitely getting a redemption arc in the third (or fourth) movie.

[@odgarig8601]

If Quarrich doesn't get fired after this I will blow my brains out. The guy failed CATASTROPHICALLY twice in a row. And this time it was solely for a personal vendetta.

[@imrank9282]

Pretty sure Spider wasn't thinking all that, he did it just cos Quarritch was his father, even though it was obvious Quarritch was just gonna come back in movie 3 to kill more Na'vi and possibly his adopted family. Basically what I'm saying is I hate Spider

[@Rafa.mudo.]

Ryan putting this much effort into making the same formula STILL FUN AND ENTERTAINING makes me want to take our parasocial relationship to the next level, so I'm gonna like this video, take back the like and like it again so I can like it twice, keep up the amazing work

[@2percentright]

Ryan puts more effort into his pitch meetings then Cameron put into the script

[@raielle]

The jedi so nice, they knighted him twice!

[@planetoftheatheists6858]

The last hour of this film was like the final three hours on a 12 hour flight to Europe.

[@augustlavdal6187]

@@lVl_A_L_B_O_R_O lol. Do you live in Svalbard or something?

[@augustlavdal6187]

@@lVl_A_L_B_O_R_O Ok, makes sense :P Mabye, put on some extra wool next time :)

[@l0v3MyB3ar]

I'm sitting near you the next time I fly - your flights seem more interesting.

[@fortgaming9058]

3:35 It's made pretty clear in the movie that Quaritch is just a vengeful man who's leading a group of marines. They don't even get a warship or anything to find Jake they just are allowed to commandeer a whaling ship

[@PerMortensen]

He is specifically brought back and given the mission of hunting down and killing Jake.

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

Merry Christmas, screenwriter guy, and producer guy! Thanks for all the laughs this year!

[@ultimobw]

Haven't even watched the movie but I already know beating the bad guys was super easy, barely an inconvenience

[@ArtyKibbles2190]

Yeah it actually was and no joke only like 10 avatars died in the final fight and 5 of those were human controlled ones.

[@xthatwhiteguyx]

Well, the main character's son died; that seems like a bit of an inconvenience. Also, Blue Saldana's acting in that part was pretty good, and gut-wrenching.

[@Dan-rx5us]

@@ArtyKibbles2190 "only like 10 avatars died" out of a group of 30, so like literally a third of the avatars died including the main characters son

[@mr.stuffdoer8483]

Not really, took a long time and was very difficult, a rather significant inconvenience.

[@peterstoric6560]

Wow wow wow, wow

[@rateeightx]

I loved the part where they made an entire language for the Na'vi to speak, And then barely used it. I can't remember if that was as bad in the original, But it was honestly so disappointing watching this one. EDIT: I also like how Neteyam's name was said so few times that I honestly completely forgot what he was called for half the movie. (Also evidently didn't know it in the first place as it always sounded like "Mateyup" or something to me.)

[@jasonbartlett3713]

I swear they kept pronouncing his name differently.

[@cloud__99]

Omg me 😂

[@samuraicupcake289]

Same my guy. I was like oh shit Neteyam died? Oh so _that_ was his name. I'd feel sad if I knew literally anything about him aside from "he's daddy's favorite that was more responsible".