Can L Lawliet Catch Johan Liebert?

[@AventSir]

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[@TheKnightOfZ0]

Make a video on Lelouch plz

[@theend3941]

It would be a battle of two monsters

[@nosadeussuramus9113]

@AventSir L is always working in the shadows, that's his modus operandi. He won't ever meet Johann, but send in agents to check him out. Johann being perceptive shall find that the agents are following him and get Roberto to track them down. Roberto might make a bit of headway but leave too many clues and mistakes so that even the fbi would be able to track them down back to him. Depending upon the time of story but just as an example, they find out that Robert helps run the money laundering bussiness. Now a fake shell company set up as front for neo nazi since they were the most common during that time join this front. Of course at that point since L is able to make use of unscrupulous amounts of money, he injects a large sum. Using this reason they host a dinner banquet where the highest order of criminal groups gather along woth Johann and Roberto gather to exchange pleasantries. Since people question whether or not Johann would actually come or pursue his own goals, it'd worth mentioning he was consolidating power and increasing the influence of his bussiness at that time so as long as his goals be achieved, he will do anything. Now there might be a restriction of how many people can be brought to the venue but as we know L along with fbi or the police force have been known to use disguises so many would disguise as the drivers of the other criminal families or waiters or staff at the banquet. If there are corrupt cops in Germany it makes much more sense to make use of cops from neighboring countries or L could cherry pick them like he did with Naomi. He could also set up mercenaries and private detectives and sharpshooters to dress up as cops and surround the area. Johann is always observant and knows the changes taking place in his area of vicinity but he won't be able to tell if the drivers of other criminal companies have been switched out or if notices that some of the staff have puffy or slippery face skins then he might notice. Of course this would be very hard to achieve since the staff would be constantly being rotated on a basis to aerate the face. Fifteen mins after Johann and Roberto arrive since they always arrive a bit late to these underground meetings to ensure safety, the plan will be kicked into actions. The food or wine could be drugged using odorless, colorless, texture less drugs or a sleeping gas with same properties can be used. Of course Johann would be able to tell that there is slight change in cognition the moment he inhales but many gases don't require high ppm to actually affect your nervous system. Still he tries to make the escape but finds that police(people in disguise) have surrounded and barricaded the building. He runs into the underground floor to find his point of escape since he always shall have a tunnel or hiding place, but the staff block his way. A shooting may occur but the criminal side won't be as prepared but the commotion might give Johann a time frame to escape. But where? Trapped like an ant under a glass, he is completely surrounded. He would be detained eventually inside the banquet hall or the premises even if he tries to disguise himself but can't because a) disguises are only with the police and they shall be acting in groups of 3 not separated by a large area since they had already blocked him to a certain area of a building b) no other disguises exist. c) Johann doesn't necessarily know that the disguises exist. He might try to kill a human and try to wear his skin as a disguise but it is important to know that such disguises don't work for long and he needs to be extremely skilled along with having the proper tools and chemicals and time. Yes the problem is time. The action plan is quick and fast paced, nearly instantaneous like a predator plucking his prey. At the end Johann will be detained and L can use the truth serum to force the truth out of him instead of using torture techniques.

[@amalkannan4154]

Surely nope.....cuz Kira is currently killing while watching the investigation is going on and can observe easily...but monster always disappears from one place and after a long investigation about his past even if they find where he will reappear and who he is going to kill he would have already done it and disappeared....And also that his motives are completely unknown so all his moves are unpredictable... Atleast I think so😊....i just love johan

[@LQQ.ERR0R]

Yeee

[@curly_bill]

The problem with catching Johan is that his motives defy all logic and reason which is what L mostly uses to solve his cases. Just when you think you’ve started to get a grasp behind Johan’s thought process, he’ll completely switch his entire line of thinking at the drop of a hat. He’s practically inhuman, the literal definition of a monster. However, L has shown that he’ll even take the supernatural into account when solving his cases, so it might not be impossible, just extremely difficult.

[@loldeck4579]

Not if u consider his philosophy which L will most likely do

[@seanraf2554]

Johan changing his motives and actions are still things that are reasonably plausible to figure out/fall within the limits of human behavior. It's arguably borderline inhuman like you said, but the death note is literally inhuman and supernatural. It is the tool of beings of a higher dimension in a world where their existence is not something that is even known/accepted in the first place.

[@sadsworth4605]

@@seanraf2554 doesn't compare Lights supernatural is a physical book and also Fucking he wanted to be called kira

[@user-pl9yq3fc8u]

Tbh I disagree , I've not fully completed the anime yet but I've been able to predict everything immediately. I don't think he does anything extraordinarily intelligent

[@eradict]

Thank you. That is exactly how the show portrays Johan. You're not supposed to understand how his mind works. It's weird that so many reviewers try to explain Johan's psychology or philosophy.

[@drle9492]

I do think Johan would win, but it would be extremely difficulty. Light got easily tricked by L so many times, that he needed a Shiminigami to kill L. That's how good L is.

[@AventSir]

yup

[@lordtouchme77]

@Draconex nah, don't forget that light nearly got exposed on the first couple of eps because of the fbi agent tailing him. The only reason he managed to outsmart the detectives because ryuk tells light that he was being followed on the way home. If ryuk doesn't tell light about the detectives then he would 100% got exposed early on, so yeah light was indeed careless a couples of times and need ryuk to save his ass.

[@swed8506]

Johan doesn't play the games Light does. He wouldn't have fed into L's baits. He'd only get caught if he wanted L to catch him

[@user-qx1id1dt8x]

@Draconex L lost cause he wasn't able to prove light guilty, he already guessed he was kira long before his death, he even accurately accused him of never telling the truth, also I feel like we're deeply underestimating his WW3 feat somehow

[@mysteriousguy666]

My first anime was deathnote but l can't beat Johan it is never about intelligence Johan just don't fear death he won't die until he want he won't be catch by anyone until he want

[@muoncollider]

The evaluation in this video was particularly striking because you considered aspects like corruption and digged into their thought processes based on past actions and personalities. I wish this battle was canon because L can't be manipulated like the monster chars and Johan would have a cool opponent since L is somewhat of a monster himself. But with this level of analysis it def feeds the hcs and the idea is rly unique lol. Apart from the engaging editing, I think the points mentioned here made you outdo yourself again!! Great video :)

[@AventSir]

WLPHA, thank you I was scared maybe this was too fan theory or something but turns out I got it right atleast. Also all I would like to mention that worked for this video was it actually being realistic to L's character to solve these murders because of personal interest (cause murders that are basically look like they never happened & also his detective rule with 1m dollars / 10 victims or more.

[@theend3941]

@@AventSir this high talks isn't just Theories but also the hardwork till now all the points i have seen isn't just something put it was valuable informations from manga's and novel's seeing the points of tenma and L and also Johan who may everyone know about it was not a imaginary points but it was strategic narrations of only points in a story that's how crazy narratives skills of this guy is not only this but booding the points and let even other people to atleast get a image is something that even make you S tear if We go psychology narrative , and Observation skill with the representation of points Damm , that's crazy if you go for KZbin Analytics this sharp mind of yours will be preety helpful As having that's crazy talent but not using that's on the full potential is making yourself and your time fool Btw It would be the battle of 2 monsters and at the end the monster who is much stronger would lead out of the end Johan and L 's are two different form of monster but that may lead to exposes some secrets hidden undeniably

[@muoncollider]

​@@AventSir it does make sense and it's well thought. hence one day im going to sell your brain on the dark web eventually and make lots of money

[@daikon3199]

@@muoncollider if you don’t mind me asking what does hcs mean?

[@muoncollider]

@@daikon3199 headcanons

[@jaorosselli1870]

I think Johan would win. Not because he's smarter than L or anything like that, but because of his modus operandi, his way of acting and how he anticipates any act in the show (if Roberto was competent, he would have eliminated the drunk and Johan would have fulfilled his plan perfectly). Either way, it would be extremely difficult for either of them.

[@AventSir]

Yeah, but I really want to point out something - L can use stand ins etc it could be possible he can get one over on Johan. (due to L being unknown.) but like I said I'm pre sure Johan could use the corrupt police to his advantage and escape. Therefore if he escapes he realises someone with high intellect is in the shadows and orchestrating schemes. Either way fun battle!

[@jaorosselli1870]

@@AventSir I agree. Taking advantage of the theme, a next video could be "Could Kira k1ll Johan?", analyzing at some scenarios or possibilities, such as when Light takes on the role of L or if the story of Monster and DN took place in the same country etc. But this is just a suggestion. (Ignore any possible English mistakes, it's not my native language)

[@UnisRapper]

but what about my barber joe?

[@bloodlustaxe1500]

@@jaorosselli1870 Short answer : No His mother was the only one who knew his real name and she didn't know anything about Johan, so she would have no idea of what he became. Also if Johan knew there is a mysterious serial killer who can kill someone by knowing their name and kills criminals, he would be able to choose to kill his mother if he wanted to and claim a complete protection against Light. A better question is if Johan wanted to would he be able to kill Kira?

[@user-qx1id1dt8x]

@@bloodlustaxe1500 misa can easily solve that problem

[@spiketail94]

I like to think Johan would come out on top. Light had an ego and god complex that L could exploit to lure him out with. Johan does not. For example, if it was Johan who found the death note, chances are he never would've responded to L's broadcast at the beginning of the show because he had literally no reason nor desire to give himself away. Heck Johan goes out of his way to ensure people can't even prove he exists, which goes against everything Light did who was determined to be acknowledged and revered as a god.

[@zoa666]

Johan just goes to Germany and that’s that, not utilizing the Death Note 24/7 like Light did. He would be conservative with its uses, most likely only erasing people out of convenience. He would perhaps push the limits of the Death Note in ways only a “Monster” could think of, unlocking its true potential. Johan’s existence itself would be considered esoteric knowledge. I can imagine 5D chess being done behind the scenes with both L and Johan’s movements, it would be one heck of a cross-over.

[@rhecht8651]

Light also had an extremely powerful, untraceable magic murder book. Johan doesn’t have that in this scenario, I personally think L takes it here. However, if Johan had the death note I don’t think there is a detective in existence who could catch him

[@mohammadhosseini6675]

@@rhecht8651 Batman accepts your challenge

[@shinji1264]

Johan doesn't take kindly to disrespect, I'm sure he would've nonchalantly killed L's standing... But not be as butthurt at light that he was tricked.

[@NotRuyaki]

tbh Johan would probaly use the death note to cause world chaos

[@queenofsuga]

Johan could simply leave a bag of those poisoned candies out for L and it'd be game over since he loves his sweets 🤣

[@faa1412]

😂😂😂😂😂 I feel bad for laughing at this bc L was my favorite

[@notrhythm]

lmfao

[@kochnik3479]

FATALITY 😂

[@ElsyOO366]

Brooo 😂😂😂 You're right though

[@mariafecasilan8464]

Someone just died bcus of those candies with poison and u think that L would still eat those candies?

[@lmgtree4507]

Honestly I think Johan would intentionally deny L his victory by killing himself/having someone kill him in front of L through manipulation

[@abyss6540]

Johan hasn't shown his full potential because no one was there to push him, he was way better than everyone, if L pushed him hard enough, Johan would get excited to fight him. Edit: Just finished Monster, at first I thought he's just a good pure evil villain but he's nothing really special with any other thing. After we learn Johan's conclusion as a character, he's probably one of the best out there, everything he did was for his sister Nina. The beauty of Johan's conclusion, he wasn't the real monster. I think the perfect suicide he's trying to accomplish was for his sister, he wanted to make a world where as Nina cannot feel pain (in his perspective). The siblings were attacked by everyone, everyone wanted to hurt them. Nina was the only one who loved Johan. While Nina got adopted by a loving family, Johan got corrupted and tortured by Wolf and the others, Johan was the human, he just wanted to bring happiness to his sister, the only one who actually loved him Now I truly believe he's a perfect antagionist for Monster, he has the backstory, dynamics, conclusion, and any other thing.

[@maiageia1240]

Johan hasn't shown his full potential because all characters in Monster Verse are dumb

[@has642]

@@maiageia1240 nope

[@abyss6540]

@@maiageia1240 There's really no evidence on them being dumb, they finished their role smoothly. I don't think It's dumb at all, for an example, Dr Tenma searching for clues. Lunge trying to prove that Tenma is Johan. Etc etc etc.

[@abyss6540]

@@sakuekman7551 Yes he wouldn't, but if that person tries to attack him, he would be happy to break his/her mind.

[@sakuekman7551]

@@abyss6540 Yes, probably. Honestly i think Johan would manipulate/order someone to kill L if he finds about L somehow from corrupt cops etc. They would probably not even interact if Johan doesn’t want to.

[@MelloChocolate-b8f]

I mean L managed to suspect Light immediately at the begging of the show, and also lets not forget that Light was perfect in every way to not be suspicious, and even with that L still knew that Light was Kira. I have no doubts that L would be able to catch Johan. I mean Johan never went against someone who is even close to being as intelligence as Light like L did..

[@SoulSociety404]

Just because Johan never went up against anyone who’s on L’s level doesn’t change the fact that Johan still indirectly went up against many above average characters in the show. Johan also wouldn’t make the same mistakes that Light had during the beginning. Johan is unlike Light or BB, he’s far better Emotionally, has more knowledge and experience in crime and is far better and covering his tracks. His influence building is much better than either of theirs combined & managed to control the country underground as a teenager. Also Johan could straight up shoot L in a face to face confrontation if he has to.

[@BLCKNGA]

We haven't seen Johan full potential

[@amortality999]

@Ft.Light7No not really. Normally, the plot is the detective eventually finding out after a long time But in Death Note, L figured it out instantly

[@denebstudios.8018]

I've always considered Lunge as a more realistic L of sorts, both of them being super recognized detectives with weird habits, inhability to admit being wrong and the like. However, while L's deductions are pretty much always correct because of the plot, Lunge is more human and actually commits mistakes, even if he redeems himself after.

[@Noah-fg6km]

L's deductions are correct almost every time not because of the plot tho. There's actually logical reasons as to why he was able to profile Light perfectly

[@uirsr]

💯

[@debrachambers1304]

They're pretty unalike overall, though. Lunge is more of a stiff stickler, L seems devoid of self consciousness or regard for social norms.

[@crappyj7603]

These characters are completely different

[@royal051093]

Lunge is an idiot. He's easily manipulated

[@homelesslukeskywalker7277]

L would probably know someone exist but not being able to identify Johan

[@shadowmomochiuchiha6839]

He singled out kira. Out of the entire population in the world he figured out it was light extremely quickly

[@occultteachings6261]

@@shadowmomochiuchiha6839 cuz of light’s ego

[@idowufeyisope5286]

@@occultteachings6261 He will eventually know that johan is the killer....Catching him is the real issue...

[@batuhantugra7100]

@@shadowmomochiuchiha6839 because of some dumbass writer lmao. I can write an essay over 10000 words why L or Light is dumber than an average human

[@shadowmomochiuchiha6839]

@@batuhantugra7100 congratulations

[@seanraf2554]

A lot of people saying L would lose, but I think that's selling him a bit short tbh. Light was using a supernatural item that only he knew the rules of and those rules were so obscure that I think no human would ever be able to figure out by deduction. You have a supernatural item that leaves no evidence/loose ends and whose existence is not something any person would ever consider wielded by a nearly unparalleled genius, and yet even with all that, L for all intents and purposes figured out everything. As incredible of a genius Johan is, he still needs to interact directly with other humans to set his plans in motion, and that leaves loose ends no matter how effective his brainwashing is. There were several murderers being interviewed about their MO who knew of the existence of Johan even if not directly. I personally think if L just confirmed Johan existed (which is not hard given the amount of characters that know he does) it would only be a matter of time before he would be caught. In my view, a couple of disguises/identity changes and brainwashing is not nearly in the same realm of difficulty as deducing the existence of a supernatural notebook in a world where other such items are not known to exist all while said notebook's existence is also actively being obscured by another genius of the same caliber as L.

[@SoulSociety404]

You’re forgetting those people only knew Johan because he allowed them to, especially Tenma, confirming Johans existence doesn’t mean you’ll catch him, he’s elite at using false identities, has insane influence in underground Germany & can disappear without a trace. Also Light was very impulsive with the Notebook while Johan shows no impulse and wouldn’t even be drawn out by L but Johan could create enough chaos on Germany to draw out L. It’d be close but there’s a higher chance L gets killed than Johan gets sentenced to prison. Johan is also better at building influence & connections than Light was tbh, I don’t think L’s influence would beat Johans in Germany, he basically monopolised the countries funds & has high social & political connections. Also L almost failed to catch BB in the LABB Murder cases without Naomi Misora, BB wasn’t as manipulative, didn’t have as much influence, wasn’t as strategic or deceptive than Johan. Another thing is L despite having insane deductions & profiling could still be indirectly manipulated by Johan, Johan could just gain info from the task force in Germany similar to how he disguised as Anna getting info from Suk.

[@jaxx149]

when you say "there's a higher chance L gets killed" you also have to take into account that in death note L always was prepared to die and if he did it would conclude in the killer being caught due to cctv, informing others ahead of time and so on. @@SoulSociety404

[@SoulSociety404]

@@jaxx149 Johan would be smart enough not to be caught on camera.

[@jaxx149]

but L is smart enough to have multiple backups such as warnings to people such as the police saying "if I die in such and such days or hours then it was Johan" and he could have witnesses too as another option@@SoulSociety404

[@jaxx149]

there's a reason I listed one other option and it was so people wouldn't have to go out their way to reply that@@SoulSociety404

[@rosalin24]

Can we appreciate how perfect the editing, the quality of the sound and the choice of background music are?

[@TheBloodGuyOfficial]

what's the background music name

[@upcomingperson4098]

I love L but I'm leaning towards Johan. L actually needs to analyze many things first and he even makes mistakes. Johan on the other hand was seen to be perfect and Johan just knew what was coming at him in advance like a supernatural being (even though he doesn't have any supernatural powers whatsoever.) Johan's acting skills are also amazing and he's basically somewhat empty on the inside. Of course, this would both be extremely hard for both of them.

[@gheri2957]

It's funny cause for L I think Johan would need a lot of effort and hard diff him while for Kira he would probably best him and made him kill himself (depend on what version of Light, end of manga light would be harder to manipulate almost impossible for his ''God of the new world'' mind)

[@upcomingperson4098]

@@gheri2957 That's true, but I still do think Johan can best Light because he's without a doubt smarter if you watched Monster. Either way, Johan and L would be an interesting matchup, both being one of the smartest anime characters out there.

[@gheri2957]

@@upcomingperson4098 ofc Johan would win, even if Light and L were together I still believe Johan would win in the end, he understand how humans works better then anyone

[@upcomingperson4098]

@@gheri2957 Yeah true. Light would kinda just be seen as a nuisance if I'm being honest.

[@user-qx1id1dt8x]

@@gheri2957 that's a no limit fallacy, specially considering L is completely anonymous and would know nothing about him, pretty similar case with light as well, specially counting the 2 Kiras, and the fact that both L and light are intelligent psychopaths who won't fall for cheap tricks

[@dreadrath]

I do think Johan would ultimately edge L out, but it'd be a really cool showdown. Weirdly I think they'd both kinda respect eachother in a twisted sort of way as they play their games. One thing I've also always wondered is if Johan has ever had any kind of combat training. He seems to at least have a basic working knowledge of firearms.

[@somerandomguy6233]

He was even more perfect than grimmer in combat

[@daddyGbaby]

apparently he is better than grimmer who cleared out a small town full of hitmen

[@Timme]

Johan is a martial artist. He killed 3 armed police men with his bare hands and apparently their corpses looked extremely disturbing

[@bolzol306]

@@Timme Anime didn’t show that right?

[@bolzol306]

@@somerandomguy6233 how’d you know that?

[@Bandit.Chrollo]

The only single way of L to win is to have more Ls literally. Excepting L obviously, Johan is able to find and manipulate L's entire team hiding on different names. PS : Ryuk : " It's possible for shingami to look as humans? Light : "What?!" Ryuk : "Nah nothing" Johan accidentally walking on the street confirmed.

[@rmnent.573]

No way I missed something like that 🤯

[@devilgod4552]

L usually work alone

[@Thiago_Alves_Souza]

The thing that got Light so close to losing so many times is his ego and impulses to show off how better he was. Even L admitted to having the same childish flaws. Johan thrives in obscurity, he's more of a thought and an idea rather than a man. That's how monster presents him. He doesn't need attention or validation from the public or his opponents, so I think he wouldn't make the same mistakes Light did. When we hear about Johan, he's already long gone from his crime scenes. So I could see Johan winning over this fact.

[@ikarus4570]

you are so fucking underrated, i can see clearly how much effort and passion you put into the editing of these videos dude, congratulations

[@AventSir]

thank you man, im glad you enioyed

[@Lloyaro]

Great video! I loved your dissection. And I love how you concluded the video by pointing out the fact that L (aswell as Light) is also a monster.

[@AventSir]

monster speech too iconic

[@SoulSociety404]

This video is amazing, I’d say it’s a 50/50 matchup and whoever wins it would be with extreme difficulty, I’m leaning more towards Johan but I can also see a good argument with L if he approaches this cautiously, using Tenma, Anna (would be harder since she’s not mentally as stable due to trauma) & maybe Lunge to gain some clues on Johans plans and identity.

[@SoulSociety404]

Also 10/10 editing skills

[@AventSir]

Thank You!! love ur pfp my friend

[@AventSir]

lol hidden jokes

[@SoulSociety404]

@@AventSir thanks 20th CB is underrated & lol

[@mysteriousguy666]

My first anime was deathnote but l can't beat Johan it is never about intelligence Johan just don't fear death he won't die until he want he won't be catch by anyone until he want

[@muoncollider]

also, strongly believe L and johan would share a strawberry cake while talking in lowcase abt mass murder and humanity 🤡

[@AventSir]

l and johan murder and humanity (that typa lowercase?)

[@rynsummer1711]

Johan didn't care about mass murder and humanity. If he did, he would've accepted that request to become 2nd Hitler. He only cared for his sister, and even the way he's caring is unpredictable. He simply did all that murder because he felt lost since Tenma saved him, and also to hide his identity.

[@Zenciiiii]

Nah L actually cares about humanity

[@abdallahhakeem5185]

Wonderful analysis. We 100% need to see a 'Could Sherlock Holmes catch Johan Liebert'. 2 insanely, diversely proficient sociopaths playing a mental game of cat and mouse as detective and killer would be something else

[@gunchar06]

Sherlock has zero chance if we use the classical version.

[@thunderstorm99]

@@gunchar06 Johan has 0% chance if we use novel version of Sherlock

[@gunchar06]

@@thunderstorm99 Yeah no, the classic Novel version of Sherlock used legit methods(that are nowadays standard) mixed with a bit of supernatural super genius(even less so than L at his best), that is not remotely enough to come even close to Johan without massive outside-help.

[@thunderstorm99]

@@gunchar06 have you read any of Sherlock Holmes novels? Sherlock is the greatest detective in fiction, considered superior to batman, moriarty, anime detectives etc. Ain't no way that he won't be able to solve Johan Liebert's case

[@gunchar06]

@@thunderstorm99 Bruh..., every comic version of Batman with a big emphasize on detective work makes Sherlock look like an absolute amateur, we are talking about a character here who gets written in a way that allows him to deal with a whole group of nigh godly(or in WW's case actually divine) beings of which multiple ones are literally billions of times more powerful, faster, etc... than himself(and yes his other abilities also too often reach such nonsensical levels if they become the focus of enough stories).

[@kstuckey8]

Just finished watching Monster today. And it’s insane that someone made a video of a thought I already had. I love KZbin. Johan is really up there as best villain ever.

[@anon2407]

Too unlikely really. Johan is never at the crime scene and is so deep behind the scenes that he is nearly impossible to associate with the criminals. Not mention that interrogating anyone who was in contact with Johan, always proves to be useless as they are too far gone. Even if he ever comes down to suspicion, it's impossible to catch Johan himself. He's got too many allies surrounding him and connections in politics /corporates

[@boogus1670]

Exactly, there are some cases where johan just says a couple words and it sets off people to do some crazy things

[@equin07x]

Something that wasn't pointed out from the video was that L is insanely rich and influential. He basically bought a building in Japan just to operate with the Kira case and made FBI cooperate with him. L could easily corner Johan without having to ever meet him in person. People undermine L because he lost to Kira whilst not considering the fact that the moment he told Light that he suspects him of Kira, L was already testing the waters with death. L doesn't have to operate the way he did in the Kira case to catch Johan.

[@boogus1670]

@@equin07x johan ran the entire underground banking system at the age of 15, johan was much more rich than L. L is a good detective probably the best in anime and media but he simply wouldn’t be able to compete with johans vast intellectual prowess

[@setajucizbun7073]

@@boogus1670 he also had criminals and murderers in his palm at that age. Its possible for Johan to just toss people at Ls associates and his team. Essentially giving up an ally of his to murder a member of Ls team. He could as easily go after Lunge as well, if he proves to be a problem. The only reason he didn't is because Lunge was making it easier for him to play with Tenma. At the end of the day he could just learn where L is by manipulating people around L, leading to Ls murder

[@djmewtwo6981]

@@boogus1670L as a 5 years old was better than an entire team of detectives, L is 25 years old, he definitely could find Johan and prove him guilty. It’s not like Johan ever uses something that would need an entire baking system's money anyways

[@keith_44]

The fact that there is still new death note analysis content after all these years just reaffirms the fact that Death Note, my favorite series ever made, could be objectively one of the best ever made. Cheers

[@djmewtwo6981]

The novel is pretty old, and these are more crossovers than analysis. It’s objectively not the best series ever made. I don’t think it would be possible to get a true unbiased view of the best series ever made

[@thunderstorm99]

@@djmewtwo6981 he said "one of the best"

[@djmewtwo6981]

@@thunderstorm99 oh you’re right. My bad. Death note have some small consistency errors but overall it’s a top notch series. I think it might be one of the best animes ever made

[@thunderstorm99]

@@djmewtwo6981 i think the plot armor given to Near in the final episode downgraded DeathNote a bit

[@f1f19f]

@@thunderstorm99second half dropped death note from being one of the goats imo

[@Psychoanalyze]

L actually does fall for Light's manipulation when Sochiro had a heart attack and was at the hospital Light states he has to act to L to slowly believe he isnt kira and L after being so confident that Light is Kira (shown when by him revealing his identity to him) questions that notion asking himself "Is Light really kira" but Light's ego made him go overboard and appear to perfect thus annihilating the previous doubt

[@HappyHedgehog18]

L questioned himself cuz he suspected even more Light, when Light said he knows about Raye Penber, L knew Light is even more suspicious

[@UwU-xk5cx]

Tbf at that point L was considering Kira truly killed it's victims by writing thei names on paper, imagine the top 1 detective worldwide seriously considering supernatural ways of murdering people, my boy had it rough

[@shinji1264]

I honestly think Johan would realize that tenma is being manipulated by someone far smarter than him... He literally had tenma figured out at the start of the series, anything tenma does out of character or above his intellectual cabapibilities would stick out like sore thumb. Johan would probably then go into the shadows trying 2 figure out who is pulling his strings, and we all know Johan is a master at gathering information, a lot of ppl will die and he'll eventually figure L out. Either way would be a interesting encounter.

[@badassproductions4734]

Been wanting someone to make this and your timing couldn't be better

[@AventSir]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@dire-decadence]

You can’t catch someone who doesn’t exist. That said, if anyone could-it would be L, unquestionably. To be honest L probably could catch him in this day and age, but with the limited technology and resources at that time. Keeping in mind that if Johan also had access to similar technology-it would be a even playing field. However with more technology, Johan’s existence would be confirmed-even if his identity couldn’t be. I’m just speculating but either way, we can all agree it’d be a close call.

[@diellberisha6112]

Nah i disagree tbh.Johan is way to hard to catch

[@dire-decadence]

@@diellberisha6112 I don't disagree with you. He is an antagonist like no other...

[@Painkillas]

I feel like because of how much Johan really kind of held Tenma's hand throughout the show leading him to things that Johan would come to realize a fellow monster in their own respect (L) and incorporate L's actions into an even more dramatic and perfect suicide.

[@daddyGbaby]

it would probably be more better for johan since his perfect suicide invovled doing a renactment of the childhood story of the 2 monsters. L could would serve perfectly as well as the second monster in his renactment.

[@_m889]

I got a question, would Johan not know about the world's greatest detective in the first place? The fact that there's that special title means that he's quite famous, even if the public didn't know, tons of crazy cases would have been solved by one person. I'm sure Johan would account for a person of that caliber to be on his case as soon as he reached the requirements for L searching for him.

[@lich8103]

And considering he planned for everything a long time ago, he would definitely anticipate it

[@hrushikeshgouda4965]

Ah finally someone made a in depth analysis video on their take on this.

[@vhsrj_]

these videos high quality af. Deserve more subs fs

[@AventSir]

appreciate it homie

[@Ekmek10lira]

I've already watched death note for like 4 times and you're still making me want to rewatch it mate. good video

[@RandomPerson_frfr]

Johan the kinda guy who tells L: "I want you to know that I'm Johan" L: Deja vu

[@piano1922]

love that

[@berryXjerry216]

Let's be honest, this would be such a *badass* battle!!!

[@jordanllc7386]

I love how you considered different factors from each side of the characters and their show. I always wondered how Johan would end up competing against someone who also has a high intellect. I mean with the characters from monsters who kinda were average he had easy game so it would be nice to see how someone like L will push him more to his limits. Btw whats the soundtrack from 9:57 ?

[@AventSir]

yessir, and idk ngl someone else did that part of the vid

[@jordanllc7386]

@@AventSir 😢

[@placidhitz]

the characters from monster are far from average

[@schauffl56]

@@AventSir could you please ask? the track is seriously dope and good for studying 😩

[@r..e7045]

@@placidhitz compared to L and Light shii even Near there average asf😭literally don’t have no where close to intellect to them

[@theonlychickensama8353]

It's going to be one hell of a proxy war with both of them not even knowing what the other looks lol

[@mrHorrorLIVE]

Personaly i think Johan would win, yes L is anonymous but so is johan in a sense. Johan isnt smarter then L but he is better at acting, deceiving and maniplating. Well if he was to really team up with tenma then probably yes, but i dont think L wouldve connect the family murders to one individual

[@mawandemdutywa2571]

L wouldn't connect those couples dying to one man? Even regular cops did that in Monster bro

[@mysteriousguy666]

My first anime was deathnote but l can't beat Johan it is never about intelligence Johan just don't fear death he won't die until he want he won't be catch by anyone until he want

[@SoulSociety404]

@@mawandemdutywa2571 Only due to Johan showing himself to Tenma since Tenma relayed the info to Reichwein & Gillen.

[@pxllfx3207]

@@SoulSociety404 Temna isn't detective 🤡

[@thepillowhead2453]

@@pxllfx3207 He may not be a detective, but during the copycat killer episode, He went to the house and did the EXACT same deduction method as Lunge and even came to the same conclusion all on his own. That leads me to believe he himself is smart enough to be one.

[@Endless_Nights2]

You'd have to also think the L would have multiple detectives and investigators with him, Johan can attack those pieces under L instead of directly attacking L.

[@r..e7045]

Am pretty sure L could easily figured out currput police officers or detectives next time him plus he actually wouldn’t even have that many because there no reason to show his identity like he did it death note

[@Poatanmafia]

Those detectives would be near and mello,and nah Johan won't be able to attack near as it's very hard for him to get his location,and it would be hard to get mello location as well.If near,mello and L fight Johan then they would easily find him .

[@SoulSociety404]

@@Poatanmafia Easily find him? Nah, and those 2 didn’t get involved until L died, if he has L killed which he can then he can deal with the other 2 after having more info on the task force.

[@SoulSociety404]

@@r..e7045 L would definitely reveal himself if he’s dealing with Johan, he’s more influential on groups & individuals than Light, if Johan corrupts Police Officers & FBI agents he’d be drawn out, or he could anonymously manipulate people in jail to kill each other.

[@Baby_eater123]

@@SoulSociety404 no chance he could kill L.

[@DAX-PMFT]

Amazing video as always Your analysis videos on Death Note, COTE and Monster are just perfect

[@AventSir]

Appreciate it alot my guy

[@Luke_PM]

@@AventSir can you talk about 20th century boys

[@destinitaylor4360]

I think it would be hard to even track Johan down because of how unpredictable he is. We all saw how literally everyone in his little “circle” was confused by what his motives were because he kept changing his mind multiple times throughout the show

[@wallahhabibiiii]

tbf he only changed his mind once. From trying to become the next Fuhrer to killing Franz Bonaparta

[@stud_end123]

Lying monsters are a real nuisance: They are much more cunning than others. They pose as humans even though they have no understanding of the human heart; they eat even though they've never experienced hunger; they study even though they have no interest in academics; they seek friendship even though they do not know how to love. If L were to encounter such monsters, he would likely be eaten by them.

[@federalbureauofinvestigati5549]

L would win guaranteed the fact he even found out someone was doing the random murders is an insane feat of intelligence L also knew light was the killer but couldn’t find evidence before he died which Kira needed a shinigami to do Johan was found out by a doctor and at the end of the day he lost to him I think alot of those saying Johan would win are driven by a little bit of a bias towards him… but L was literally consistently outsmarting a death god+a genius working together and in the end Kira lost

[@purplebeast8536]

That's because Light had a massive ego and kept blundering

[@purpledefaultpfp6233]

​@@purplebeast8536he still got a point tho

[@nathin157]

holy shit you didnt understand Monster at all! Johan wasn't caught by Tenma because Tenma outsmarted him or something (hell Tenma didn't even kill Johan). Johan wanted Tenma to kill him, he held Tenma's hand for Tenma to get to him and shoot him. Besides, L needs to prove that Johan was behind the murders, the only reason people even knew about Johan was because he wanted to show himself to Tenma at the start of the series. How the hell will L even start the investigation when Johan leaves NO traces of him being there in any of his crimes (btw L didn't know the Death Note was a thing until the middle of the series and Kira unlike Johan wanted the spotlight to be on him, which is a direct opposite of Johan who leaves no traces in his crimes)And don't forget that Johan has murderers and an entire neo-nazi far-right extremist group at the palm of his hand which he would not hesitate to use to kill whoever goes after him that isn't Tenma.

[@nathin157]

​@@purpledefaultpfp6233 nah blud didn't watch/understand Monster at all wdym 💀💀💀

[@federalbureauofinvestigati5549]

@@nathin157 buddy a literal death god is a massively more impressive thing to have on your side. Also Johan did lose to Tenma given Johans goal was to shatter Tenmas idealism by making Tenma a murderer which he failed to do when Tenma rescued him at the end. Second you have 0 intelligence feats from Johan that put him above Kira. Kira didn’t even have to hide any evidence… he could literally kill anything without tying it to himself at all. L still found out about his murder and from the very beginning of the show before he had any evidence even to base anything off suspected Light. That requires an insane amount of intuition and intelligence well above Johans sloppy murders that managed to lead a fucking random doctor to him.

[@swed8506]

The only way Johan would get caught is if he wanted L to catch him

[@mysteriousguy666]

My first anime was deathnote but l can't beat Johan it is never about intelligence Johan just don't fear death he won't die until he want he won't be catch by anyone until he want

[@r..e7045]

Underestimating L hard

[@00DeadZ]

@@r..e7045 your doing the same with johan

[@inosuke6630]

@@00DeadZ when did he underestimated him ?

[@00DeadZ]

@@inosuke6630 johan is a more realistic & his plan isnt supernatural . If you watch monster and understand the depth of johan . L is getting washed

[@iceshivoya2665]

Johann's words are calculated and charismatic. L would need to be a psychopath without any empathy to not get manipulated, and even then that hasn't stopped Johann from exploiting psychopaths. Johann would also never allow an in person encounter without anyone unless he wanted it to be so. Even the colleges he went to never knew he existed, only a small group of friends.

[@cica0428]

L is extremely emotionally absent and lacks empathy seeing as how many people he was willing to sacrifice just to prove a point. There is nothing Johan can manipulate when it comes to facing L. Furthermore L never even publicly meets the people involved in his cases and only made an exception because of Light being the son of Soichiro and had access to information nobody else would have and used it to cause mistrust in the task force. L would definitely eventually catch Johan. The dude was solving cases most fully grown adult detectives weren't able to solve at the age of 8 years old (Winchester bombings for example).

[@ItsSupercat94]

bruh that's exactly what L is

[@SoulSociety404]

@@cica0428 L wouldn’t catch Johan, at best he could deduce his locations but Johan with his influence on organisations & manipulation on people in those organisations and others would probably stall L & have him killed, L is also shown to occasionally get frustrated (when Kira sends him the cards to analyse which mean nothing). Johan also could anonymously blackmail & you with L as he still has a huge ego which he can exploit.

[@idowufeyisope5286]

@@SoulSociety404 Not true...i am sure L wasn’t getting angry when light sent the messages... Maybe you should reread or rewatch that path... L isn’t someone that reacts to his emotion.... And he most likely to know johan is the killer but catching him is the real issues

[@pogooo8345]

@@cica0428 i still think johan would break L at some point and manipulate him

[@basarkahraman9591]

I know you guy’s love johan but L literally caught a person with superpower in a normal world

[@SoulSociety404]

He didn’t really catch him though, he was killed, and that doesn’t mean he’s win since he struggled to catch BB without Naomi Misora and technically lost according to L himself. Johan wins especially in the Monster verse.

[@Braian9887]

No only that, person with extreme iq and superpower, its crazy

[@Ugh99]

@@SoulSociety404 It is pretty much implied that L has deduced that Light was the killer all along, but was unable to prove it. However, Johan is very good at manipulation and his actions are unpredictable. Overall, L still takes this one as his theories are beyond human comprehension, a true Monster. His actions are subtle, but will multiple layers.

[@archivesoffantasy5560]

But Light and Johan have very different personalities and ways of operating. Johan wouldn’t have killed Lind L Taylor.

[@motariplayz]

If someone like Johan "existed" in the real world then we would be doomed for sure

[@highspeedrailenjoyer1045]

they most likely exist, we just dont know. One of the true horror of Monster is how realistic it could be.

[@notrhythm]

time to write picture books

[@Roblox1-sv5fw]

His manipulation tactics or whatever strategies he's into won't work in real life lmao only in your "anime world"

[@IDontKnowWhatToPutOg]

@@Roblox1-sv5fwexactly, I may be biased but I feel like if I was in the position of the people he manipulated, I wouldn’t fall for it, and I think most people wouldn’t either.

[@_rubyrose10_]

​@@notrhythm lmfaoo

[@sthebigG]

L is a mastermind detective, but we can't deny that Johan is a formidable opponent. Many believe that Johan is untouchable, a monster who can outwit anyone. However, we must also acknowledge that L is equally cunning and brilliant. While ordinary people may recognize Johan's existence, it takes someone like L to truly understand and anticipate his moves. Yet, despite his exceptional abilities, catching Johan will be an incredibly tough challenge for L. He needs to be cautious and seek assistance if necessary. At this critical moment, L must be careful not to make any mistakes, as one wrong move could cost him his life and give Johan the advantage. However, if L manages to outmaneuver Johan at this stage, he will secure a remarkable victory. Let's not underestimate L's intellect and determination. Despite the odds being stacked against him, L has the potential to outsmart Johan and emerge victorious.

[@AzizJr-r6i]

Bro, your explanation is undefined. Can I use your text as a reference to explain people?

[@sthebigG]

@@AzizJr-r6i Yes.

[@SafayetSrijon]

Bro just opened my eyes.

[@aidankeith1676]

I always love these videos and especially love your editing style and analysis over all characters in depth

[@AventSir]

Glad you enjoyed man, took awhile but came through!

[@mysteriousguy666]

My first anime was deathnote but l can't beat Johan it is never about intelligence Johan just don't fear death he won't die until he want he won't be catch by anyone until he want

[@rooftopastronomer2697]

Lunge is somewhat underestimated His brilliance truly shines in the fact that he managed to get himself so much information regarding something he previously thought didn't exist before and he did it discreetly enough to not be on Johan's radar. Truly an amazing character.

[@daddyGbaby]

johan mislead detective lunge to believe tenma was the killer. and lunge was so focused on tenma that even when the copycat killer stabbed him and announced himself as the killer he was to stubborn to believe him.

[@rooftopastronomer2697]

@@daddyGbaby yeah coz there's no evidence of a Johan anywhere But he still managed to break free from that illusion and find out the truth Edit: I wanted to add Lunge's suspicion on Tenma was actually very valid A Jekyll and Hyde type thing really Which occurs more than you think

[@123leviathan123]

@@daddyGbaby you are completely misremembering the scene. Lunge knew it was the copycat the whole time but told the journalists to say it was Johan so that Tenma would show up and he could trap him. He literally screams at the copycat that he is aware he is the murderer but he doesn't give a fuck. The copycat doesn't believe that Lunge would just let him go so he attacks him.

[@sidthixaychoummanivong5643]

I would say no. One thing Johan can do is that, he can manipulate everyone (average human) and most of his case, it was Robert that committed the murder, not him, and Robert and Johan keep changing names in almost every case. The best L can do is find Johan suspicious, but I don't think he gonna ever find a single trace about Johan, if he doesn't know anything about Johan's pass like Tenma does. So suspicious isn't enough to catch someone, not to mention, Johan never even stay in one place, he's always ahead of everyone, even Tenma is being part of Johan plan, even though Tenma knows everything about Johan.

[@mawandemdutywa2571]

L found out, with no prior examples or real world scenarios, that there was a serial killer operating in Japan, who could kill without making contact and later just by seeing a person's face. L, the epitome of rational and logical deduction, concludes that Kira has a supernatural murder weapon. And of this deduction he was highly positive and went on to uncover this weapon, had it not been for Rem lying about the rules and then killing L, which L anticipated, L would proven who Kira was. Johan doesn't have half the resources Light had, and even Tenma goes on to uncover significant pieces of information about him. L is solving this case bro, with mid difficulty.

[@lordofdestruction9351]

@@mawandemdutywa2571 he isnt Unlike light, johan isnt even a real person A ghost, if not for tenma, no one would know johan, sure, there's this monster that gangsters are talking about But non eof them saw him, nor do they know his real name He is literally the most unsuspicious guy, L wont even find any clues, tenma had everything, and told everyone about everything, and they still needed several years to actually get it You're telling me L without having info hande to him on a golden plate would catch him? L would get killed by his own team in a few days.

[@mawandemdutywa2571]

@@lordofdestruction9351 L was battling against not one ghost, but against 2 of them, and in the end it was one of those ghosts that killed him, by writing his name in a death note. Johan is a makeshift ghost, nowhere near the real deal. L stopped a world war, without revealing his identity to anyone still. L is a multimillionare and keeps Watari with him at all times, Watari who is probably some ex ultra special forces military guy, no one is killing L. L wont find clues? Tenma is a doctor, and he found plenty, Grimmer found some of his own, the alcaholic detective and just about everyone else who had a genuine interest in the case found clues. tell me why L wouldnt be able to find clues, when even regular cops followed the trail of the couples who got killed for whatever reason. what your missing here is that L is a shonen character, written to be a superhuman, and even though Johan is unreallistically smart as well, he is more grounded and realistic character. L wins this.

[@sidthixaychoummanivong5643]

@@mawandemdutywa2571 How is L gonna find all the clues about Johan when only Tenma knows about Johan past? I bet L will fvking get kill by one of Johan's manipulated people ☠ Johan manipulated DETECTIVE Agents bro, anyone that seen his face and know him will die lol even if L knows who Johan is, what's he's gonna do about it? Who gonna believe him if he have no evidence about Johan? Obviously Robert is the one is the murderer. That's basically Tenma whole life is 💀He literally knows everything about Johan, and told police abbout it, yet, the police don't even do anything about it, because they all suspected Tenma to be the killer, and that was one of Johan's plan💀

[@swed8506]

@@mawandemdutywa2571Tenma only knew Johan was still alive because Johan wanted Tenma to know he was alive. Johan was deliberately inviting Tenma to come find him. If Johan didn't want L to know he exists, he wouldn't

[@thesmartone2735]

I watched the whole video, all the comments and felt like watching a million plus subscribed youtube channel, AND IM STILL SO FREAKIN SHOCKED YOU ONLY AT 7K, THIS VIDEO ALONE IS WORTHY OF AT LEAST A 500K VIEWS bruh, the editing, the analysis, I was not even sure if this was a original or a fake account, you'll grow soon bruh, This was freakin lit.

[@AventSir]

alotta ppl been saying this recently that im pre small so i appreciate it alot!! also im real i have 2 diff channels (in my channel section on this channel) and i sound the exact same in all. anyways appreciate it!!

[@thesmartone2735]

@@AventSir damn bro, you'll reach peak soon cause your content is already peak.

[@thesmartone2735]

@@AventSir subscribed to all of your channels🤩🤩

[@nenacervantes4299]

This dude scares me. By analyzing and proceeding over the views of two highly intellectual ones. It's was like a battle of minds versus the monster itself by catching cat and mouse doing. Huge respect

[@hectornonayurbusiness2631]

If L can deduce a murderer is responsible for random heart attacks across the world with no earthly means of doing it. He can catch Johan.

[@SoulSociety404]

It’s not as easy as that lol, he only made the deduction it was Light since Light is impulsive & killed Lindl Taylor, Johan wouldn’t fall for this.

[@hectornonayurbusiness2631]

@@SoulSociety404 L suspected a mastermind behind supernatural murders, that's enough.

[@korin_15]

The thing is L can catch Johan if he can think like Johan. The only reason L suspected Light cuz like L said they are alike minds. Childish and wants to win. Whereas, Johan didn't really want to win nor he's childish. He wants absolute perfect suicide.

[@notjerod5076]

@@SoulSociety404 I mean it’s really just down to different circumstances, we wouldn’t really know how this plays out. Now if johan had the death note …

[@SoulSociety404]

@@hectornonayurbusiness2631 because that “mastermind” was emotional, rash & had an ego, who also wasn’t as manipulative, needed his father to have any sort of influence, isn’t as knowledgable, deceptive or emotionally intelligent. L wouldn’t be able to figure out Johans killing pattern unlike Lights, Johan is better at covering his tracks also even without a notebook, can actually manipulate the police, FBI & others to do his bidding, something Kira couldn’t do, Johan has more advantages over Light than Vice Versa. Johan >= L >= Light.

If Richard Brown could find traces, of course L can catch him

[@Elixir_JPGG]

And how did that work out for richard

[@5entience626]

@@Elixir_JPGG L isn't Richard, he won't directly go after Johan like Richard did.

[@bloodlustaxe1500]

Richard went directly after Johan, which cost him his life. If L would do that it would most likely end the same way, but if he doesn't go directly after him he will have a very hard time finding out anything about him. I think L wouldn't be able to catch Johan, he would either die or would know nothing about his identity and eventually gave up due to lack of clues or do something risky which would also most likely cost his life. Even though Light had the death note he was somewhat catchable because he made some mistakes and he became the primary suspect fast. Johan in the other hand had 0 mistakes, he was like the perfect criminal, who left no trace. Also Johan didn't use all his strenght in Monster because the other characters couldn't challange him at all. Everything in the series went as he planned, well except the random drunk guy shooting him in the end. Johan would have a lot of tools that he could use to stay hidden from L or eventually trick and kill L if he tries to do something.

[@SoulSociety404]

Richard only found traces because Johan purposely showed himself to Tenma who then relayed info on Johan to Reichwein, Gillen & then Richard

[@Monicayadav_55]

Dude that was all johan's plan wdym Johan himself wanted that he wont do such stupid things

[@kevinl.942]

Light had godlike powers yet he struggled against L. Johan is interesting, but he would have been crushed by L imo.

[@mbuszka5295]

Nice analysis. Subscribed for more, maybe something *Grimmer* connected... 🤔 But for Johan, I think, You missed, or touched barely upon FOUR things. 1. Yes. Johan has 'no pride', or at least doesn't let it to drive him, which prevents easy mistakes, like one that *narrowed drastically* L suspects in Light case. 2. Closing up on Johan, probably by entering same school is double edge sword, because Johan can use L's pride and him being not fully 'good' against him. When like with Light, pretending friends, L mainly checked on Yagami's reactions, not too bothered by LIGHT SEARCHING HIM UP, when once failed, Johan will have all Chechoslovakian KGB(so bunch of sociopathic masterminds, to which cases, like BB is nothing, with how much murders THEY got under belts) searching on L, without officially moving finger. Also him being for many Fuhrer reincarnation, will make them so much more determined, than L's cooperatives, even from FBI. 🤷🏻‍♀️ As either we assume, Johan is in L's times, so got all his technology and peoples using it to help... OR we got L without all his technology toys, that lower his chances. 🤷🏻‍♀️ 3.L can use ANNA, if he get enough info, but it will make him enemy in Tenma's eyes. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Even if provocation of using Anna will work, to not lower his chances, not fully trusting 'same genotype as Johan/not excluding ANNA CAN BE JOHAN', he willl NOT inform Tenma. Which will grow distrust in pure doctor, who will not let use people, especially someone so pure, like Nina. 🤷🏻‍♀️ 4.Finally, IF Johan accept him enough, there will be a thing about KILLING JOHAN. Directly. One thing, if L will be able to do it, as watching is different, than pulling a trigger. Other, if he will understand, that doing it will make him LOSE, which he HATE. Because this is Johan goal, proving we are all monsters. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Summing up, yes, L is great and all, but he has also past to pry upon. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Light was too proud to make some moves, or too self absorbed, to TRUELLY SEE RYUUZAKI. 🤷🏻‍♀️ If Johan get under L's fears and his own dozen of guilts... It can be as much game over for him. 🤔

[@user-trrwvfk]

Exactly!!

[@averageguy1469]

1. Agreed. 2. He would've looked up what L likes, found out he likes sweets, and buys him candy with either poison or razor blades in it. 3. Getting those 2 involved would be hazardous to him rather then a help not only because of what you said but also because Tenma would constantly be working against L by trying to get Anna out of this situation. Also Johan can easily mess with either of their heads and get them to kill him before L solves the case. There's also the chance that it might be Johan in disguise. At that point all Johan has to do is get him alone and shoot him. 4. He would most likely send the police or Wateri to do it. To clear this up the best chance L has is with the Kira task force and the police of both worlds helping him with the case that way all of Johan's allies would be neutralized and L could finally checkmate him.

[@mbuszka5295]

@@averageguy1469 Through, we have now dilema - which police will be more effective - L's or Johans. After all, Johan's are RUTHLESS.

[@averageguy1469]

@@mbuszka5295 Don't know.

[@bruhfps7429]

i would say that L would 100% suspect johan and think he is the killer but its whether he can prove it just like he did with light

[@SoulSociety404]

He’d have to find Johan first which would be far harder than Light to even suspect him first

[@pandaeyez]

@@SoulSociety404 I would say it would be easier than Light, narrowing someone killing people all across the world is much harder. Johans crimes are more localised and L would triangulate on him fast. The challenging thing is not finding him, he could do that because he has caught elusive serial killers before such as B, but proving Johans crimes would be the harder part since they are mostly through influence and manipulation.

[@daddyGbaby]

@Panda Eyez not really L was really only able to find corner light due to his ego by tricking him with the broadcast. The issue with johan killings is that they are indirect through other criminals and hitmen that have no connection to johan. Unlike light where he had a clear lead due to the pattern of lights killings johan has no pattern to draw from. The only trail left by johan in the show are trails that he left purposefully

[@spiritbreakermlbb]

Johan also pre-planned everything before it happens. Thus before the clue reveal, Johan is still onto the next target. The ending happened because 5 people deduced his plan, 2 of them (Lunge and Grimmer) were there on time or even before it starts. It was just inevitable end but it was interrupted because these 5 people ended up in the place. I just think if L would be there, he would only be the one to deduce early but he cannot stop it. The town would still be annihilated with the help of the perfect weather, I don't know if Johan even predicted. Johan will still be killed by L, which is his perfect suicide.

[@SoulSociety404]

The only reason they deduced it was because Johan showed himself to Tenma who relayed the information to others to give them the chance to deduce it, Johan was basically perfect & covering his traces, also he wouldn’t do his “perfect suicide” with L, he’d just kill L.

[@ArcadeStriker]

With the topic, the editing and how everything was presented about a REALLY interesting matchup considering how much I loved Monster (and Death Note)...you have earned my sub :)

[@Anemoia00]

two of my favorite animes fused into one. Thank you so much for this video

[@andrw2k9]

15:40 I doubt L would actually be able to catch any of Johans subordinates due to Johan killing all of them after they serve they’re purpose.

[@Eli-ip3jx]

He could catch them before johan manages to kill them

[@SoulSociety404]

@@Eli-ip3jx Probably not, Johan covered his tracks far better than L captured and caught people, he couldn’t even keep Misa locked up.

[@Eli-ip3jx]

@@SoulSociety404 fair

[@user-trrwvfk]

If L uses Tenma to catch Johan, Johan could use Light to defeat L. And if Johan and Light team up, it's pretty much game over for L.

[@crismix7599]

I think light would not team up with a criminal.

[@Mugen37]

@@crismix7599 Light is a criminal too wdym

[@crismix7599]

@@Mugen37 Yes but light thinks He is a god

[@blvckpsyche7298]

@@crismix7599lights whole premise is to rid the world of crime. He wouldn’t side with johan

[@ElsyOO366]

​@@blvckpsyche7298 Johan might manipulate him into thinking he's the good guy and everything he's doing is for the greater good (this has been proved lots of times in the anime by how he was able to make everyone think he's a sweet guy and was able to make people do his bidding). Moreover, he could exploit Light's god complex.

[@akihikosakurai4013]

The mystery with death note was finding out who kira was, but with monster everyone already knows that it's johan. The difficulty is in actually finding him

[@Bigboss-y4v]

Smarty then L would win look how fast he found which country kira was in episode 1

[@Amokzyy]

@@Bigboss-y4vEasily with what evidence? You don’t solve a case by simply pointing at someone. You need hard evidence. Which is near impossible to gather …

[@Bigboss-y4v]

@@Amokzyy true that's why L couldn't arrest light he needed hard evidence I get what you mean

[@motivated2473]

The mystery with death note was finding out the thing even existed in the first place... And L found out... Easily... L by all means should take this W

[@kirablackstar6130]

I'd be curious to see a video for L vs Friend from 20th Century Boys too. Both Johann and Friend are geniuses, both incredibly charismatic, and both with many followers at their disposal.

[@patricija4179]

If L was a detective in Monster, the series would last 4 episodes

[@SoulSociety404]

Yeah because if they met face to face Johan probably kills him because L certainly isn’t catching him or proving him guilty in Germany, Johans got far more influence there.

[@patricija4179]

@@SoulSociety404 what influence did Tenma have, dude was on the run. Also L would not come if he was not given a permission to come and have physical help. Also, in a h2h combat, L clears Johan.

[@Шанель-ю8ц]

@@SoulSociety404 L had never shown his face before Kira case. He's careful when it comes to his personal safety and people he works with. In addition, L is capable of gaining help of all of the worlds detective buros, FBI and even mass media. Johan may not be caught by L, but he never affects/manipulates L too.

[@SoulSociety404]

@@Шанель-ю8ц Johan runs Germany so he wouldn’t have that big of an impact there.

[@purplebeast8536]

@patricija4179 you clearly didn't understand monster. Johan WANTED and ALLOWED Tenma to catch him because he wanted tenma to be the one to kill him.

[@Shiinobiiii]

If Johan ever felt he was being suspected by more than just police I feel he would either mentally destroy whoever else is suspecting him(in this case L) or he’d just completely disappear if ever at high risk of being caught, he is complete evil manifested in the form of a human, without the help of Tenma, L is better off just trying to solve Lights case. Johan isn't afraid to lose anything, on the other hand it's only debatable whether L would go through UTMOST lengths to catch Johan or someone like him and I believe he wouldn’t be able to catch him, though with the help of Tenma it’s only close but mostly favoring Johan.

[@mawandemdutywa2571]

Johan is worse than a serial killer who can kill by writing names down?

[@Shiinobiiii]

@@mawandemdutywa2571 That serial killer has two big flaws, his ego and emotions, those two very things I could imagine Johan being able to manipulate and toy with (not with ease though, but he’d likely be able to do so, given lights personality). The thing about Johan is he is a complete psychopath (something Light is not), a genius, and master manipulator (light is a great one just not a masterful one) and all while being able to be 100% isolated from his emotions(Johan) when he wants or pleases, and so I couldn’t really imagine L or Light finding it easier to manipulate or catch him then it would be for him trying to manipulate them. I could also fairly imagine Johan being able to catch L in a trap(L would likely pick up on this almost immediately after the fact) that would serve to give away that he’s watching him and then would immediately disappear/go into hiding and then likely would plan something to mess with L, for instance killing random civilians in random locations(leaving no reason or traces) which would serve to piss off and torment L just to show he is incapable of solving and catching every evil in a case. L vs Johan would be like a chess match, though L would have more powerful pieces and would only be able to see Johan’s pieces after they moved or played their part whilst Johan could normally see L’s pieces and can easily trap them but would have nothing to really take L down unless he is exposed or put in a situation where he has to be, It’d be a very dangerous game…but none the less Johan has nothing to lose and he's perfect evil...

[@ShivamPatel-yq7rr]

While i think johan would not be able to mentally destroy L. If he realise someone like L is out to get him. He will become absolutely untraceable. The only reason Detective brown was able to trace him was because he was deliberately leaving evidence so Tenma could catch him. I think with someone like L in the world they would not even know about johan existence

[@IRAS175I4]

@@Shiinobiiii you have a great point, there’s a chance for Johan to manipulate Light, but I’m not sure about L.

[@Shiinobiiii]

@@IRAS175I4 Thanks and yeah L would be the harder of the two to manipulate, but in comparison to Johan of course it’s closer between the two than either of them to Johan and that's because he's simply a better manipulator and they have attachments/things they're connected to that can be used against them whilst Johan usually does not. Also, I don't believe Johan would be able to manipulate L however I’d 100% believe he'd be able to manipulate some of the people or things L would use against him.

[@TheSteiner12]

I think Johan would win. L could prove Johan's existence easier than Tenma did, but L wouldnt be able to stick any convictions against him because most times, Johan just doesnt exist. Great video btw!

[@AventSir]

yeah basically. THANK YOU!

[@UnisRapper]

sure but could he beat my barber joe

[@Sa.D.B0]

@@UnisRapper barber Joe is multiversal

[@RoyTagliaferro-k2r]

@@Sa.D.B0 boundless

[@janinebelleestrada7096]

​@@RoyTagliaferro-k2rWho was that character who thought that tenma was having a schizo moment looking for someone that probably does not exist

[@NeoReoxis]

L owns if we’re being real

[@SoulSociety404]

Debatable

[@fatliward9815]

No he would not, Light was so easy to catch even a 5 year old could catch him 😂 Johan would even have used the notebook more than 2 times

[@NeoReoxis]

@@fatliward9815 Light was only easy to “catch” because of ego which is crazy cuz it didn’t even matter since there was no evidence

[@fatliward9815]

@@NeoReoxis Johan doesn't have an ego or a motive that's the difference. L wouldn't have even found out about Johan in the first place since he probably would have never used the death note or used it very sparingly. He is also more obscure than L was, like I was saying L would have never detected Johan.

[@NeoReoxis]

@@fatliward9815 ur right but with L's resources it’s definitely not impossible tbh

[@phoenixwright2420]

Ryuk: Humans are so interesting!!

[@AventSir]

Ryuk watching this vid surelyyy

[@KasimLiebart]

But if ryuk see johan then he would think that humans would be scary

[@revengance4149]

Johan has the analytical calmness of L and the looks and social skills of Light. He'a got the best of both worlds so to speak

[@YameroSama]

Johan manipulated actual psychopaths like it was a piece of cake to him which makes him 100 times more dangerous than people think he is.

[@starhalv2427]

A big problem for L would be the fact that Johan stopped being the nameless monster after reading the story. That made Johan completely shift his goals and motivations, which would throw L off the track

[@toolatetothestory]

Now that would be a hard game for both sides. L is insanely smart and perceptive, but Johan THRIVES in obscurity, barely even existing in society. L would first either need to track down someone, ANYONE who can even tell him that Johan exists to begin with, or possibly even go straight for the source and find out about the people that created him. In a weird way... I think they could relate to each other, at least on the messed up and manipulated childhood parts. While L wasn't manipulated to be the perfect Leader, he was still molded to be a symbol instead of a person. Just like Johan was.

[@SamTheGumMan117]

I think L would/could catch that man of a monster since L is a monster himself at eating all those damn sweets lul

[@shotboy-kw9vu]

I think people overrate L a lil because Light had an advantage of shinigami and death note book rules. I agree that its an advantage but people are forgetting that L had access to everything. He could kidnap suspects. he could send detectives to stalk them. he could get cameras in their house. he could get a helicopter, police, fbi. and all of this was legal for him. Light had to make alliance or manipulate them into helping him. but L just had access to the best legally.

[@LhordShepherd]

Alright, now guess who removed cameras in Light's room? Ryuk Who told Light someone was tailing him? Ryuk Who wrote the fake rule for light? Ryuk Light had access to police classified info as well. He advantage was greater than that of L. L acts with solid evidence, he could have captured light the moment he was his suspect but he still didn't. Infact it was Light who requested to be in confinement. L only captured Misa because the finger print matched. If it was other detectives, that fake execution he told light father to display would've been real. But he always work with evidence. L having influence over police or FBI. Well pretty much the power of great detectives. But he's also the one giving out info or directing them. Having helicopter has nothing to do here. He bought it with his money btw

[@shotboy-kw9vu]

@@LhordShepherd ryuk didnt remove cameras. he counted them for light cuz light asked him to do it. same goes for changing the rule, light planned that. "look light is using every resource to win that's cheating" is a dumb argument. "light had classified info" L had whole world w him dawg.

[@PukarSingh-d2b]

L: You 're 5% sus **Johan start acting** L: 95% you are killer

[@starhalv2427]

Fun fact: Lunge is based on Sherlock Holmes Also, L wouldn't even take this case, because with nobody else being able to connect the 100 murders there wouldn't be a mysterious serial killer who killed more than 9 people- unless L himself looked at one of these murders and figured out it's connected to other cases Also, on comparison of Johan to Hitler, it's important to remember that the one who made that connection worshipped Hitler as a perfect leader, so in reality Johan is even "better".

[@rockingsushi8013]

idk who would win, but in my opinion the chances are high on Johan, just because of how evil he is, willing to go to any lengths, while L has Limitations when going to certain lengths

[@huz653]

Finally someone mentioned monster in their top 10, I mean it’s a W anime and story and it has one of the smartest characters in anime history (Johan Liebert)

[@blastphantomgames6369]

The only reason L was so close to light was because light wanted the competition and excitement

[@blastphantomgames6369]

I think Johan would win simply because he does not have the same constraints light does and tech being missing in this fight gives L a disadvantage

[@zuselt1]

Johan when he hears a ringtone: what’s happening looking confused L: HE MADE A REACTION ITS HIM ITS HIM

[@timyoung9251]

20k with this video quality? This channel should have 100k!

[@AventSir]

I wish!

[@redriot2115]

I'd guess that if L doesn't use Tenma, Johan would overwhelm him by manipulating his underlings. With Tenma, I think L has a major advantage and raises his chances of winning by quite a lot.

[@zahranf.a.9864]

L would "reveal" Johan's crime. But to "catch" him, i don't think so.

[@reydave5345]

I don't think that's true. I definetely believe L can catch Johan just like he managed to catch light and cornered him many times. If we're playing cat and mouse L would definetely be the winner.

[@fatliward9815]

​@@reydave5345Tell me how can you arrest somebody because somebody else went crazy after talking to them and went on a killing spree? That's not against the law, Johan never tells anyone to kill anyone. They literally just go crazy and start killing after coming into contact with Johan. So L could probably figure it out but he definitely wouldn't be able to arrest him 😂

[@reydave5345]

@@fatliward9815 In a cat and mouse situation, L would have the advantage over Johan. L is exceptionally perceptive, observant and intelligent, which would give him the edge over Johan in terms of outsmarting and outwitting him. L's analytical abilities would allow him to foresee Johan's moves and develop strategies to counter him. However, Johan is a very cunning opponent and won't go down without a fight. In the end, I think L would be the winner due to his sharper intellect and strategic skills.

[@reydave5345]

Remember, L is a genius, who has solved more than 3500 cases. He couldn't possibly be said to be the world's best detective if he couldn't catch someone in cat and mouse situation. Just like he had cornered Kira many times.

[@madscientist14]

⁠@@reydave5345L had huge help in terms of Databases and technology. The fact that Johan is so hidden from the world and has no trace already makes him impossible to catch, since there's nothing to go on in the first place. Unless Johan is a narcissist like Light, that he wants to be found, then he'll never be found. The reason L even suspected Light in the first place is because of the time and location of murders. If you have the same resources as L, Kira being a student and relied on Japanese media to kill criminals would be quite obvious. The moment Light switched his targets to criminals in the Police database of the Kanto region of Tokyo, just made it more obvious that Kira was connected to the police, and since L already thought he was a student. Seeing Light as a direct match to the description was easy. Light was kind of stupid in the beginning if you think about it. In conclusion what I'm trying to say is L had a huge advantage in catching Light, but he was just too arrogant and noticeable to catch Light Yagami in the first place. If you can prove to me that Johan will be egoistic enough to reveal himself to the world or L having enough information to start the investigation in the first place, then kudos to you. Also everything you described on L's intelligence, Johan also has them, I don't think you understand how smart Johan is.

[@melancholicotaku]

Monster and Deathnote in the same video awesome

[@samihaatqiamentha6766]

Light yagami is Intelligent, L is Genius too But The death note writer is a LEGEND

[@lucifxrae]

i thought i was watching a million subs channel, man the quality in this vid is impressive af, keep up man

[@upper_moon1727]

L teams up with the police Johan finds out, corrupts the entire Police And Gg

[@LIONFOX09]

Great Work my friend. Keep it up

[@AventSir]

Thanks!

[@argy7526]

i think johan would win after all he never got caught only once but it was left unclear if he escaped or not also johan left tenma alive due to him being his doctor i think even if L was annonymus he would find a way within the police or some german people with influence to find L and he would probably kill him or just break him, johan had an entire city to kill each other i dont find a way that L would win even if L was stopping ww3 i think johan could do it to and he could even start the ww3 if he chose to

[@AventSir]

Yes if Johan figures out that someone is behind the scenes he could try find him IF L is linked to the german police. If L is more independent its harder to track him. But yeah

[@mysteriousguy666]

My first anime was deathnote but l can't beat Johan it is never about intelligence Johan just don't fear death he won't die until he want he won't be catch by anyone until he want

[@dhruvchahar5939]

dude , L would obviously know that the police is corrupt before hand , just use ur fkin mind dude like really no fkin arguements just this will happen because of influence , even L had a lot of influence as well so it would be really easy for him to know that the police or people there is corrupt. just tell me how johan would win. your claims are delusional unless u don't back it up by facts

[@mysteriousguy666]

@@dhruvchahar5939 you are dumb Johan control countries in his palm don't be a l fan girl🗿🗿

[@dhruvchahar5939]

@@mysteriousguy666 dude what is your age , really , learn to comprehend what is said , i highly doubt u have seen both anime . i said he would have known how the things work and wouldn't trust the officials like in kira case , as L himself has a ton of sources and connection in underworld as well. but this is far much than u could ever comprehend . so just leave it and my advice is don't see these videos , u are made for those vs battles at yt shorts

[@Kromush1995]

I love all those type of videos, Character from another anime VS Character from another anime. What I would love to see is L & Johan solving cases together type of video. That would be neat.

[@gungnir3926]

INTP vs INFJ... that is hard! As a INTP/ENTP myself i love INFJ because they can follow along alot but also they are very different on certain areas. A great pairing for sure. All the weakness INTPs can have in feeling analysis and manipulation, is exactly what INFJ is best at (at least compared to others). Together they are unstoppable. Except for their limits in motivation. IF they want it, nothing can stop them, but a lot of goals is outside of their pursuit.

[@NoMoreWhat-Ifs]

L said it himself. If he were ever to encounter such a monster, he would most likely be eaten by it

[@thks400]

underated commentary

[@devinarya.]

because in the truth L is also the monster

[@sableyez]

L would definitely win. The only reason light had an edge on him was because he was using supernatural powers

[@willatano1464]

Yeah, johan would be caught within a week.

[@SoulSociety404]

@@willatano1464It would take far longer than that for him to get caught if that were to happen, especially if theres hard incriminating evidence needed for conviction would take arguably a year or more.

[@thescarecrow897]

L was smarter than kira, the whole anime kira needed ryuk to help him just to not get caught by L monstrous intelligence. Kira was always terrified of L but never the other way around

[@mahnoor6812]

I LOVE UR EDITING STYLE AND AWESOME EXPLAINATION

[@rosalin24]

QUALITY CONTENT I'M ON THE EXPENSIVE SIDE OF YT ACCIDENTALLY AGAIN u got my subscription in the first minute my man