BackpackersXpress and the Disco Carriage: Citation Needed 5x03

This week, a business venture that never got off the ground, and one of Gary's regular diversions into TRAINS.
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Thanks again to our anonymous subtitler!
TOM is at tomscott.com or @tomscott on Twitter
MATT is at mattg.co.uk or @unnamedculprit
GARY is @garybrannan on Twitter
and CHRIS doesn't do this social media nonsense.
I researched Gary's "disco carriage" story because it seemed too fantastical to be true. It is true. There's video evidence: • LEAGUE LINER
See also the Vengabus: • Vengaboys - We like to...
and Venga Airways: • Vengaboys - We're Goin...

[@lastnameavailable326]

"Bite attendant"? I think you'll find that back then they were called "chewardesses".

[@mr.farrowsclass6592]

I pushed the likes to "666" you're welcome

[@teridactyl1250]

Take my like and leave

[@MrFlashpoint1978]

Leave? That's genius!

[@ethanhoward389]

Yup Thank you

[@Silverwing2112]

Well played.

[@ShubhamBhushanCC]

The crew would encourage people to socialize. "Oh Fuck off" Basically the best reaction ever.

[@lawrencecalablaster568]

Shubham Bhushan Is there some universe in which I live and didn't know where British people hate everyone?

[@oliverhees4076]

no it was "Oh f***ing f*** off" or something along that line

[@philvanderlaan5942]

@@lawrencecalablaster568 no that is the entire planet. The best thing you can hope for is that you are in a group big enough that most everyone else will just hate you and not actually want to kill you.

[@Mattheq]

@@lawrencecalablaster568 I think it's the organised fun and "ice-breaking" that most British people would hate

[@couldntcareless7884]

@@Mattheq just British?

[@d3xbot]

"dedicated misanthropes cabin" is now what I will call first class.

[@donaldasayers]

Two friends of mine, one from school and one from uni did a overland backpackers truck journey across Africa. I took them a week of conversation to work out that they both knew me.

[@Booksds]

“Wingwalking is a thing” Unintentional foreshadowing of a future video!

[@Scratchy1024]

Super Monkey Ball!!

[@katherineshideouslaughter]

Made the mistake of having a mouth full of tea when Tom said "what is the media term for tin full of arseholes at 30,000 feet?"

[@stocktonjoans]

He's still my favorite Garry Brannan

[@maxb3248]

He's everybody's favorite Garry Brannan

[@thewingedporpoise]

@@maxb3248 Gary Brannan?

[@RaidenGen]

@@thewingedporpoise They were doing a dramatic announcement for a tv show entrance :D (probably not though)

[@Silver-rx5yd]

how did you misspell Gary

[@olivercooksey2243]

Built for leisure not for speed

[@markpenrice6253]

So superinjunctions have been out of style for some time now ... can we yet be legally told what Gary's censored story was?

[@mickocstreamarchive]

International waters? Probably Prince Andrew visiting Epstein's island, which is now public knowledge. If I recall correctly something was mentioned back in the day as "a sex scandal involving a minor royal", though I'd personally rank it as a lot worse than the implied orgy/deviance/infidelity.

[@charlessandison5740]

We must know! We must know!

[@__Ben]

I've tried to work it out, and the list of acknowledged ones... none seem to mention international waters (which I assume was related?)

[@DerZocker2000000]

@@__Ben somehow the algorithm reccomended me that video about 20 hours after you and i still don't know what they were talking about

[@shavranotheferanox7809]

simple, its [REDACTED]

[@simonbas6]

5 years later and I still want to know what the superinjuction that Gary broke is

[@Ratigan2]

He actually said *[REDACTED]*

[@U014B]

You win a crate of underpants bearing the cover graphic of "Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!" A box of boxer boxart boxers.

[@TheCptCoy]

bad

[@The_Rising_Dragon]

GOOD!

[@Ramonatho]

Gary's midair fight club: Airy Brannan.

[@colindaviddick]

I love how Gary is against everything about the backpackers' plane, but when it's the same idea but football fans on a train he's all for it.

[@otakuribo]

"They would encourage you to socialise." "Oh, f*** off." "Spot the British people!" me: "Also me. Spot the me."

[@sagiksp4979]

I saw the video too!

[@frankharr9466]

Me too!

[@alansmithee419]

@@sagiksp4979 I can make useless comments too!

[@austinpowersasmaozedong]

@@alansmithee419 Really?

[@Aldiyawak]

6:12

[@poraktobask]

About the registering at a tax haven: as I recall aircafts have to visit their country of registration on a regular basis. So while registration in a country might be cheap, it can be expensive for the airline to schedule regular flight to that destination, that might be under booked. I'm not sure if the facts are correct on this one, but I've heard once, that easyjet had many aircrafts registered in malta and had to do lots of flights to that destination because of that.

[@qwertyTRiG]

Whereas boats don't. The Ulysses plies its trade between Dublin and Holyhead, but is registered in Limassol.

[@samreid6010]

Did you know that many of the warplanes in Europe during the Cold War flew under the Maltese flag. Due to post war treaties, the west Germans weren’t allowed to own any warplanes. To get around this, they “sold” all their planes to the Knights Hospitaller, an ancient order of knights founded around the same time as the Knights Templar. The Knights Hospitaller then inducted the West German pilots into their order and placed them under the command of West Germany. Though the Knights Hospitaller were technically homeless at the time, they used to be based in Malta so they used the Maltese cross as their flag.

[@1a2b]

it's not just that you have to visit it sometimes, every flight *must* be in or out of your flag country with some exceptions

[@CoolAsFreya]

"There is no better way to guarantee you'll end up at the terminus by accident" if you've ever fallen asleep on the train you know what this feels like

[@yorktown99]

So, in the United States, a number of Amtrak trains have a "bar car". It's usually minimal offerings, but you can take the cans of beer back to your seat and carry on with the other passengers.

[@orangeants]

Also true on lots of European trains!

[@beth12svist]

European express trains may have a dining car, which will, of course, especially in Central Europe, serve beer as well. I think wine as well. I've actually never made use of one, but there also are people with carts selling stuff to people at their seats, and I've made use of that before.

[@AlRoderick]

In those days the bite attendant would be a chewardess.

[@seanm9306]

MYSTERY BISCUITS!!! (oh yeah)

[@citizenofvenus]

It'd go from bite attendant to fight attendant.

[@dummyvariable3079]

above

[@htmlguy88]

chew hardest ?

[@TheDuckofDoom.]

Or a the occasional cheward

[@rowanmorgan457]

This is one half of the inspiration for the pub-on-a-hovercraft.

[@ByteMe619]

"Oh fuck off" my exact reaction to the thought of socialising with the "self-exploration" type of backpackers

[@kayleighlehrman9566]

You've won your girlfriend's path from the Lebanese capitol to a stash of carrots and radishes on an inlet of the sea The Beirut bay root bae route

[@unflexian]

win

[@sohamsengupta6470]

That's spicy

[@sirBrouwer]

@@sohamsengupta6470 you can say that now.

[@ejewart1450]

This joke is for the brits and I appreciate that. Americans are reading it and going "beirut bay root bae r-ou-t" and getting very confused.

[@epicgamersaurus]

@@ejewart1450 that’s like saying Americans would be confused about spelling color with a u

[@GG-dt5hh]

Wait, when did Tom become the Atchbishop of Banterbury? Bring on the Bench!

[@tddeyoung]

Late to the discussion, but can someone explain Top Bants, Archbishop of Banterbury, etc?

[@Umbris13]

@@tddeyoung "Banter" in Britain is playful mocking, wordplay, hyperbole, sarcasm and other forms of verbal (and occasionally physical) comedy among friends. Sometimes this is made into an informal competition, where the "top bants" are the best bits of banter during some extended event like a camping trip or convention. The person who is considered the best at banter in the group is called the "Archbishop of Banterbury" (named after the Archbishop of Canterbury, leader of the Church of England).

[@jeffreyplum5259]

Amtrak always announces the " Quiet Car" which might do for the "misanthropes Class."

[@tapashalister2250]

a group of underwater invertebrates' arch nemesis many anemone enemies

[@KettuKakku]

Tapash Alister nemeses?

[@LilyRoseGames]

*give mystery biscuits*

[@KettuKakku]

@andrewwmunro well, the plural 'enemies' implies more than one nemesis

[@StarlightNightflame]

Learning about the disco carriage made me realize this is QI but with more interesting anecdotes. Thank you all, this kind of thing is why I subscribed :)

[@MishaNem]

While I mostly agree, nothing will beat Gyles Brandreth having some sort of relation to any person in history, no matter how far-fetched

[@Vimeslgospare]

I want an airline fitted out like a japanese coffin hotel. give me a 1 meter x 1 meter x 2 meter box with a light and a tv and load me like cargo.

[@gwenynorisu6883]

That would actually be luxury vs what you get on some budget airlines **meaningful stare in the direction of easyjet**

[@ShroudedWolf51]

That doesn't sound too bad. Get your laptop, lie down, and relax. I'm game.

[@yobespierre]

that sounds like the plane in the fifth element. :D

[@harrytodhunter5078]

*capsule. Not coffin

[@xureality]

@@harrytodhunter5078 To be fair, if you're going with a budget airline, it might as well be.

[@sokota6861]

about the fight club airplane... just fly United!

[@57thorns]

You are not allowed to fight back, they just punch you in the face until you are unable to do anything.

[@pyromancy8439]

the Aeroflot joke was gold

[@hielispace]

Anybody else rewatch each episode like 3 times?

[@SKETrickshot]

Only 3 times? Those are rookie numbers

[@sirBrouwer]

i still listen to the whole series close to every night. I fall to sleep on them. (it's entertaining enough to listen to it but yet not to much to not fall asleep to it)

[@andro564]

@@sirBrouwer exactly, I do the same! I was wondering if I was the odd one out 😁

[@metropod]

On the topic of the Pub cars, here in New York , Metro-North, the commuter railroad based out of Grand Central Terminal, had 10 purpose built bar cars until just about two years ago for the New Haven Line. It was a standard EMU car body, but instead of seating, the middle had a nice long bar, and you had lounge style seating at the ends. The standing poles even had cup holders. I only rode it once, empty on a Saturday morning. I was going to a railroad museum at the end of a branch of the New Haven Line, someone I knew volunteered up there and had invited me up for the day. I was coming up the stairs from the subway into Grand Central and had tripped. I'm limping along the railroad platform when I noticed one car that didn't have any windows in the middle from my perspective. I stick my head in. Jackpot! the lounge seating was perfect for resting my ankle.

[@NovaKrysalis]

Genuinely did not know that, that's brilliant. They should reintroduce those for evening commutes. Have your pint on the train and not get scowled at for drinking alcohol on public transport. See, this is what KZbin is for: humor, knowledge, and interesting trivia facts.

[@metropod]

+NovaKrysalis while they ended the distinct bar cars on that line, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority still sells alcohol on a few trains on it's two railroads, Metro-North Railroad and the Long Island Rail Road, and on the platforms, via beverage carts. And for the record, nor will they stop you if you bring your own. The only exception is on certain days when excess drinking would be a problem, such as St. Patrick's Day.

[@metropod]

www.fox5ny.com/news/local-news/205105988-story They going to buy new ones. The Governor of Connecticut announced plans to buy more of the current M8 class of rail car for the New Haven Line, with up to 10 café/bar cars included. A prototype should return to the rails in 2018. Should explain, the railroad is controlled by New York State's Metropolitan Transportation Authority (the railroad has two other lines from Grand Central that run up the Hudson Valley), but the line into Connecticut is co-funded by that state. Connecticut owns about 60% of the fleet used on the line (the cars for the other two lines are pure 3rd rail EMUs at 750v DC, the New Haven cars take both Third rail and AC catenary at 12.5 and 25 KV)

[@Tarantio1983]

You want a country pub on a train, look up the Kent & Sussex Railway... real ale on a steam train and they have pub quizzes over the tannoy, even provide a proper fish supper!

[@themodelrailwayman5470]

Now i need to visit Kent😂😂

[@clockworkkirlia7475]

Proper fish supper on a train? I know it's proper because you called it "fish supper".... Tempted. Very tempted.

[@obliviousotterI]

Not a proper fish supper unless it's cooked in the firebox

[@Tarantio1983]

The Spa Valley railway does the same, look on the CAMRA website!

[@Tarantio1983]

@@themodelrailwayman5470 Tonbridge to Bodiham, quite lovely countryside and the whole railway is worth visiting.... If you do though then stay in Robertsbridge, accommodation will be cheaper and you're closer to other tourist centres like Battle (where the Battle of Hastings took place), Hastings (famed for being the home of television, Greyowl and Aleister Crowley), and Bexhill)home of British motor racing and Eddie Izzard)

[@amanofculture2991]

5:25 Does that mean if you are born on a part of the Arctic nobody owns can your birth certificate say Born _on ice_

[@muhammadakmalbasyhaazis3294]

*covered in bees*

[@olivernichol2640]

@@muhammadakmalbasyhaazis3294 I raise you the opportunity of being born in a reductionist barn. Born... With bacon.

[@mattymoowhite]

No, still "at sea" possibly with Lat and Long denoted

[@mewmew8932]

@@mattymoowhite what about Antarctica

[@InternetEntity]

​@@mewmew8932As we're British, we say we own bits of it, even if we're not allowed to under international treatise.

[@LauraSchmaura]

At the risk of making myself unpopular, I would be all over the Backpackers Express if it was a real thing now.

[@devastator5042]

God if they were unfiltered just imagine the amazing show they would put on, also I'm dieing to know what Gary said that they removed

[@dustypartition]

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[@teridactyl1250]

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[@savagenovelist2983]

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[@Wter-oy1dh]

*[This comment has been removed under the allegation of causing the spawning of an eldritch horror in March 2020. Under the scenario that you see this, it would mean that it is now December 2020 and the second comment has become a larger issue. The comment will remain under watch, but can be released into the comment section as of Friday, 11 December on display]*

[@williamfall2214]

at least on the BA a380, the crew rest area is below the main deck, hence why there is no 24D seat in economy - there is an escape hatch. On Lufthansa's A340-600s, it sort of has three decks: there are crew rest areas above the cabin at the front of the plane but also a group of toilets below deck for economy passengers. But yes: most long-haul aircraft have their crew rest areas above the cabin, but the a380 doesn't because space is far more plentiful below the main deck than it is above the upper, mainly because the main deck is pretty central to the curvature of the fuselage, leading to a very big below-deck area and the upper deck taking up most of the rest of the space.

[@LachiBoii]

One thing that was never mentioned, this was an Australian thing, based in Melbourne, Victoria, moved to Brisbane.

[@KettuKakku]

Lachlan Duggan 2003 Melbourne... Can see that.

[@CymruEmergencyResponder]

How you four haven’t been commissioned for a TV show is beyond me!

[@jetseekers]

They don't wanna be

[@8Gamer2]

So my brother told me about your channel, I started watching the fact videos and the realized you made more, I really do find these videos great.

[@s6th795]

I would ride Technical Difficulties Raillines. Please make that a thing.

[@luapslev5826]

Their trains would start from London do a layover in Leicester, and complete the route at Reading.

[@meetaverma8372]

It would be in a technical difficulties themes theme park

[@route2070]

I have flown from US to UK on BA. They started drink service as we were flying over Canada, and you could drink at 18.

[@simracingsemantics9821]

i've been watching this nonstop. please bring this back:(

[@ArdisMeade]

Rewatching this, just noticed that you have a substitute Matt Gray. It's hard to notice but the real Matt Gray would never have said "Eastern climes" he would have said "Rightward". Good imitation otherwise.

[@cosmicjenny4508]

I lost it at the Vengaplane, oh my goodness.

[@TheInternetHelpdeskPlays]

All this time and he's still my favourite Gary Brannon

[@dziltener]

The raetic railways in Switzerland used to have a pub carriage on their trains until very recently for hockey games.

[@Graviton1066]

Amtrak's Northeast Corridor train lines have "Quiet Cars" during morning runs at the front that's the exact opposite of the Disco Carriage ...

[@JohnSmith-dt1tw]

Plenty of longer distance trains in the UK have quiet carriages, but you always get people ruining it

[@hairyneil]

With crisps. The bastards.

[@JohnSmith-dt1tw]

+hairyneil I'm not all that bothered by crisps, it's loud phone calls or screaming babies that annoy me

[@hairyneil]

John Smith god aye or shitty iPhone earbuds that project as much noise as they put into their user's lugs.

[@vel0city96]

Dutch Railways (NS) still has them in the double deckers. Most of the upper deck is a quiet zone. You get like 6 carriages with an upper deck that's basically just for quiet travel. Well, one of the train types at least (DDZ). With the other type (VIRM) some carriages have a quiet zone upstairs (or one cut in half with a glass wall in the middle separating the areas), but I believe that the entire upper deck of the VIRM trains will get quiet zones with the upcoming revision. And generally the 1st class areas are quiet zones as well, not just for those trains but for the entire fleet.

[@anyothername5437]

5:50 or so, my grand father (and all his siblings) had their place of birth listed as lat and long as well. They were born in rural canada in the '30s

[@Joeobrown1]

i can't be the only one to keep hearing "back passage express" every time

[@GoodnightWalter]

I see that you have been to the sub continent.

[@agate_jcg]

Boston's commuter rail recently added summer trains to Cape Cod, a popular weekend holiday area. They have a bike car and a cafe car that serves beer and wine. No disco car though.

[@schaulinnoam]

In Switzerland we have extra trains at nearly all big football games. They take old carriages and bring the fans directly to the stadion. Some stadions even have their own trainstation, thats only served at match days.

[@oz_jones]

*Soccer

[@robertwilloughby8050]

Yes, the station at Wadsely Bridge on an otherwise closed line was the station for the Sheffield Wednesday games and regular trains used to travel to it.

[@suneenough]

*MYSTERY BISCUITS!* _(oh yeah!)_

[@Jcdlf7]

how did you change the font?

[@Scoodi_]

_What're you talking about?_

[@jordanle366]

george, you add an * at the start and end of the sentence

[@squishlez]

+Jordan Le -this is crossed out-

[@Jcdlf7]

ok*

[@frislander4299]

Little did we know that this was where the idea for the hovercraft pub sprang from

[@GryphLane]

5:22 If it's on Antarctica, does that mean it can be listed as "on ice"? 😁

[@dalitas]

I fall asleep to this play list with all these citation needed every night, am I weird? Nah the rest of the world is.

[@gwenynorisu6883]

Not any weirder than the tapes of radio comedy shows I used to re-play late at night during my school days... back when things something like a cross between this and Have I Got News For You used to turn up on Radio 1, in between the John Peel or Mark & Lard shows and the longform overnight music programmes where they'd play a classic album in its entirety or a selection of ethnic world music...

[@YoshiAsk]

Not weird at all, I do exactly this all the time

[@jetseekers]

Right there with ya

[@carrma3831]

10:30 on that, a lot of Russian aircraft are registered in Bermuda and ex British Colony islands because they are easy on Tax and they avoid the massive tax in Russia on Non-Russian aircraft. So their Boeing 737s and A320s are all "VP-???" registered (Bermuda)

[@Outfrost]

This one was mighty entertaining! Keep'em coming.

[@Twistee]

I'm really enjoying these shows :)

[@umgubularslashkilter9272]

nice Aeroflot jab there, Tom. Just about hit the nail on the head there

[@umgubularslashkilter9272]

also thank you Matt for Air Astana.

[@entropiCCycles]

6:12 Yeah, no thank you. The only Mandatory Fun I enjoy is the "Weird Al" album.

[@gwenynorisu6883]

You may also be interested in Spray's difficult third album, "Enforced Fun".

[@bradster00]

This is amazing. Was hard for the first 3 minutes because I was trying to figure out what was going on. It reminds me of a homebrew Q.I.

[@robertwilloughby8050]

The Class 124 (I think the Class 123 may have had them also) diesel multiple units had carriages called Griddle Cars. They were a halfway house between a restaurant car and a buffet. Basically, they were the Bacon Sandwich (or Sausage Sandwich, mustn't discriminate) carriages.

[@gekesulen]

About the birth at sea. Happend not to long ago on a Royal Netherlands Navy ship HNLMS Van Amstel. It was on a refugee rescue mission when on off the mothers on board gave birth to a baby girl. It's not mention here in the articele but on the birth certificate her birthplace is noted as the latitude and longtitude. www.expatica.com/nl/news/Baby-girl-born-on-Dutch-ship-after-refugee-mum-rescued_705322.html

[@jaydnn6782]

you know that feeling when you dont know what they're talking about yet somehow enjoy it

[@vale.antoni]

7:40 The crew accommodation in the A380 has actually received criticism from flight and cabin crews: The outside noise insulation was working so well that it damped the engine noise too well and you could hear the passengers below. It speaks volumes, when people would rather listen to a jet engine, than passengers.

[@randomgamerz360]

Just found this series. It's so freaking good and funny.

[@PiranOfficial]

I absolutely love this, I binge watched all the episodes with subtitles. Are there any transcripts for the ones without subtitles? :P

[@Wesley-ki8lk]

But how long have you been Tom Scott?

[@npc6924]

Wesley since he was born

[@Altoclarinets]

At the time I write this, about 34 1/2 years

[@alexandervotteler]

The German ICE still has a "Bistro", which ist technically a have Pub.

[@UnoSquid]

Thank you. Now I have "We Like To Party" stuck in my head.

[@tomkenning5482]

Just search party without me on KZbin

[@NathanTAK]

My god, this video invokes HTTP 451.

[@BceReuphoria]

best thing on youtube! keep them coming lads, we need cheering up in these dark times.

[@alanarichards256]

its like a budget QI, amazing.

[@TheBassHeavy]

I've watched all of these now. I can't wait a week :(

[@devinpohl5532]

I flippin love this show.

[@shawnhutchison7959]

That Vengaboys reference was amazing and made me feel old

[@explorer914]

Ooooh new episode. Im really happy now. You maid my day?

[@legendofFranktheTank]

"if i wanted to have a mid air fight club" united!

[@dirm12]

When I hover over the vid preview in the side bar, I nearly always get a gif of mystery biscuits.

[@aakratimehra9765]

There needs to be a (deep) web version of international waters where legal reasons don't apply so we can surf and find out all the edited jokes gary made in all the seasons.

[@TheTrueRandomness]

:( This was over far too soon. Looking forward to the next episode!

[@stoutyyyy]

Actually the limit for international waters is now 12 miles, hasn’t been 3 since the 1800s

[@AGMKelly]

The puns in this episode were spectacular

[@flensborg82]

This episode was pure gold. "Biteattendant", haha.

[@alexmueller4047]

You need to get these animated

[@elisam.r.9960]

12:36 I'm having a sympathy aneurysm along with Chris at this point in the video.

[@christopheroddy2373]

Surely it should be a *special* chocolate icing in the shape of a cow - a panache la vache ganache.

[@TheBassHeavy]

Imagine going to a pub quiz and these guys turn up.

[@monicaenns9967]

Around 10:50, I can hear the "Money Plane" being invented!!

[@Glen_lastname]

Nobody registers aircraft in Panama because personal cost is nowhere near a major expense when compared to the aircraft and, more importantly, the fuel that would cost the same no matter who you're registered with

[@sstorholm]

You don't know how close you are to a Finnish dining car when you talk about your pub car. :)

[@catfish552]

"Archbishop of Banterbury"... Nice!

[@Gandharpn]

And air crew would encourage people to socialise. "Oh F***s sake!" well said peeps!

[@1116101]

I would love to see the raw footage of these episodes at some point. Also great episode!

[@PhoneTheNet]

and jusssst when I was gonna sleep

[@trinitygod863]

this is 'Merica it's morning

[@lukenluken]

this is the UK it's 4.20pm

[@GaviLazan]

this is Israel it's 18:30 (6:30pm)

[@AR-qh8uc]

+Gavers23 what is it like in Israel?

[@johnbarrier270]

Hah! I just woke up an hour or two ago.

[@madmonkee6757]

I've been on flights between Havana (la Habana) and Miami, back when Americans could travel to Cuba (also known as last goddamned summer) and when I only had an American passport (last year) but, I'm happy to say, I'm not aware of anyone biting anyone.

[@Burnie1601]

You can actually get up to 3 sets of Laws in effect at one time on Aircraft: - The laws of the country the aircraft is registered in - The laws of the intended destination country - The laws of the country the aircraft is in the process of flying over. There are then various agreements as to which set of laws has precedence in relation to various aspects such as the aspects discussed i.e. Alcohol Licencing is dealt with differently to passenger behaviour problems/Air-Rage

[@zacharytaylor190]

About international airspace, the only planes that could feasibly fly over the ocean are going to have some means of RNAV (aRea NAVigation), so there will either follow airways defined by certain waypoints, going by phonetic letters, or they will follow a random routing, usually given by ATC. Commonly, the last point of contact when going from North America to Europe is Gander Oceanic, and they will give the routing. When outside of secondary radar, they will terminate surveillance services, and switch you to 123.40MHz, where you stay until getting in contact with, most commonly, Dublin Centre on the other side. As for law, ICAO makes sure to mandate all air laws, although each country has their own set of Air Regulations. In America, the FARs (Federal Aviation Regulations) and Canada is the CARs (Canadian Aviation Regulations) for example. This is applicable to domestic airspace (over land and sea claims) and the country's ADIZ (Air Defense Identifications Zone) usually of the cost, if the country has a coast. Airspace itself is actually a surprisingly complicated matter for non-pilots, and has a system of letters and rules that vary by the country that is imposing them. Usually more controlled airspace is nearer the start of the alphabet, while Class G is uncontrolled, the exception being Class F, which is generally restricted and advisory airspace, and more technically considered "Special Use Airspace."

[@lrt_unimog8316]

10:30 Stored planes do this a lot-e.g. San Marino, IOM, Channel Islands. Russian operators (including SU) register in the various British Caribbean colonies, mostly Bermuda.

[@lrt_unimog8316]

12:50 A barrier wagon with normal couplings and padding.... 13:20 Long live the 4-REP’s!

[@dziadek1287]

Actually aeroflot registers their western made planes in the Bahamas because of the russian taxes

[@mtty1988]

I'm now off to the search engine to find out about out about pub trains and disco cars.