BAE Systems unveils Tridon Mk2 based on 40Mk4 Naval Gun System

[@biddyboy1570]

Remember, its always quicker to draw your 40mm than look for a parking space.

[@generalwoundwort8191]

AMEN!!!

[@SD78]

1944: 40mm Bofors 2024: 40mm Bofors

[@kjelllindberg6987]

Some rather huge differences. 40mm L60 model 1936 was hand-operated with a maximum firing rate of 120 rounds/min 7 men crew. 40 mm L70 model 1948 maximum of 24 rounds preloaded was remotely controlled or local with a servo system or hand-operated 240 rounds/min still 7 men crew. 40mm L70 Trinity 1990 and forward 480 rounds/min 50+49 rounds in the storage, programmable fuse during firing, onboard fire control system, no crew.

[@infernalstormrider]

40 mm Bofors still works ( with modifications)

[@d.b.q.p.1540]

старая школа оказалась очень эффективна против дронов, янки не дадут соврать, когда на палубах своих авианосцев вместо самолетов были пулеметы и зенитки против роя камикадзе

[@Logically_Fallacious]

Hey, this one is upgraded to kill autonomously, so make sure you don your blue force badges. You don't need no stinking badges!? Around this AI machine I'd advise against that.

[@skyvenrazgriz8226]

Computer targeting is what will make it scary and with better algorythms and AI even more so. Old tech wasnt limited in delivering destructive force only in precision. If we still had BBs but with current targeting and guiding tech as well as munitions development it would be hell kinda scary. Imagine a 406mm BONUS system!

[@Aikibiker1]

Nice adaptation of an existing system to an emerging threat. However I believe as the drone threat mature, magazine depth is going to become very important. Secondarily the ability to reload rapidly.

[@jastrapper190]

I think the major issue or driver at this point in history is the technology for the fusing. I served in the Marine Corps with a 25mm Bushmaster chain gun and that 25mm round (and weapons system) was amazing but it was too small to integrate a proximity fuse or any other type of fuse like a magnetic or timed delay. Once technology improves and miniaturizes the fuses then we can once again consider the smaller calibers but at this point in history that larger caliber is needed even with all the downsides of weight and volume and dimensions. We need a caliber capable of integrating technology that will allow the round to “proximity detonate” next to small nimble erratic fast flying drones. But once you are able to integrate more complex fusing into the projectile you can also delay the detonation once it gets inside the target or have the rounds detonate after a time delay to rain down sprinters above a trench or down an alley. We also need better radars able to be fielded to units that can give them a better situational awareness of the battle space. Hitting the drone is great but you need to be able to identify it first. Preferably at night, through fog, out of visual (human eye) range, through clouds. Having a small simple portable radar system would allow our warriors to locate the incoming drones and take actions (even if they have no capability to engage and stop the drones they can at least prepare in other ways). The first side to effectively develop solutions of identifying and stopping small drones (with very cheap and plentiful ammunition) is the side that is going to win on the modern battlefield. The solution for blowing the drones out of the air has to be much much cheaper and easier and faster than the act of manufacturing the drone itself. If the drones become so cheap and effective that there is no cost effective solution to stop them… then having the ability to shoot them out of the air won’t matter in the least… they’ll keep coming faster and in greater numbers than you can stop them. I’ll be interested to see how the modern battle place looks in a few more decades.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

"Ammunition Bofors 40 mm 3P all-target programmable ammunition allows six modes including three proximity fuzing modes."

[@KamiKaZantA]

40mm 3P ammunition has been around since the 90s.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

@@KamiKaZantA Agree, I initially misinterpreted his comment to be about the 40 mm, but he's right that much smaller calibers like 25 mm don't have proximity fuses. But they also don't have as much useful range. 40 is a really good size for anti-air against small targets and maybe the minimum.

[@augustiner3821]

don't you get all this perfectly with Rheinmetall's Skyranger? I think even the 50 year old Gepard has provrn a very high effectiveness along with the fused ammo.

[@KamiKaZantA]

@@augustiner3821 The collective west is less vurlnable if many countries has developed arms manufacturing. Besides, a simple truck with a 40mm cannon on the back is a relatively cheap drone counter-measure as compared to a tracked and armored vehicle like the Gepard.

[@jimbob1427]

Can you fit it on a Toyota? Asking for a friend

[@k.2961]

It can suit on Toyota perfectly. Rather than driving with NPC+AK in the back, what about putting some naval cannon please.. 😆👍

[@kiereluurs1243]

Does Toyota produce trucks?

[@FactSisFun9]

don't be suspicious 🤣

[@Miles-bq4yn]

Toyota group make Hino trucks, so yes, they do make trucks

[@larsbkurin1740]

This is a no brainer. The cannon on a flatbed truck with APU and link for communication. With 3P ammunition it should be able to disrupt Russian glide bombs. Strange that it took so long to get the system out when all the components were on the shelf in February 2022.

[@HoBoeBpeM9l]

Какие к чёрту планирующие бомбы? Это не ракетная зенитка, чтобы защищать небе в относительной безопасности перед дронами. Как только этой штукой начнут пользоваться против бомб под Волчанском, эту штуку сразу и сожгут. Я не говорю, что это плохая техника, я говорю, что ты несешь бред.

[@avilhelm1697]

They had it ready in the 1980s with the Trinity system that could engage anti-ship missiles. Even earlier if you count the BOFI of the 1970s.

[@larsbkurin1740]

@@avilhelm1697Mini Archers, did vell in test, but killed by politician.

[@frednoname3714]

Take an old Gepard ... change everything with true modern radar and CTC + proper ammo put it on a Truck with APU and for sure will do the job. ( même si ça ne plaît pas aux trolls de PUTLER ...😂)

[@fiendishrabbit8259]

@@HoBoeBpeM9l He obviously means bombs with a glide kit like JDAM or the Russian UMPK kit (for turning FAB and ODAB bombs into glide bombs). And with the weapon mounted on a truck or other platform (ie, it's mobile and can be armored up to be splinter protected) and capable of shooting down anything from drones to rockets to supersonic cruise missiles, taking them out might be harder than you think. Especially since Russia doesn't have a very fast cycle from target detection to deployment of strategic level missiles like the Kinzhal or Sarmat (the type of weapons this gun is incapable of stopping).

[@john_in_phoenix]

I know where they can field test it! 😊

[@Paman_Benjamin]

Suriyah 😂

[@Dingdangdoo]

London.

[@eddiev1548]

Southside Chicago🤣

[@Swatmat]

Moscow!

[@paulallan1641]

Bradford 😅

[@Kurzula5150]

On meeting Guerrillas with 20mm guns on Toyota pick-up trucks; "That's not an auto-cannon truck. THIS is an auto-cannon truck."

[@jeremiahnilsson7373]

Low cost, very mobile and portable Anti-Aircraft and drone cannon which doubles as a nice "door-opener" for Ground troops.... neat!

[@mooboo6603]

Needs 10x the ammo

[@AXXeYY]

40mm bofors is an beast in a small packages! range over 10km

[@simonbennett9486]

Looks like an Ostwind turret !

[@drez13]

Systems like this will be critical moving forward

[@dutch6390]

Nexter !!! La Puissance Française 💪 🇨🇵 👍

[@almeidacheang7853]

yeah Brazil tambem tem,isso queremos mais

[@pikminlord343]

Good video

[@NavalNews]

Glad you enjoyed

[@philiplewis8213]

In my limited understanding, seems like the guy is correct that it is best used for immediate defense at a location behind the lines of some significant importance. Not sure how much better it is than the Rheinmetall similar systems.

[@KiingOfKombat]

probably a lot cheaper than rheinmetall

[@vaclavnovacek1035]

@@KiingOfKombat Rheinmettal will almost certainly be more effective with its specialized ammunition and military carrier but both of these things make it expensive as hell. This is basicaly modernized WW2 gun on regular truck. Most expensive thing on this are probbaly the sensors. Cheap, easy to produce and service. Seems like a good idea considering the circumstances

[@KiingOfKombat]

@@vaclavnovacek1035 this also has specialiozed ammo. same airburst as rhienmettals one but this is 40mm and has longer range... but would be interesting to see them vs each other

[@vaclavnovacek1035]

​@@KiingOfKombat Yes, but rheinmetal developed new ammo specificaly for the skyranger and from what I hear it is expensive as hell. This will most likely use older airburst ammo. But still more than enough for things like shahed. But I could be wrong.

[@uranusismightybig5111]

​@@vaclavnovacek1035the Bofors 40mm gun now days uses 3p rounds. You can just google it and read up on it yourself. Simple, effective and cost effective...the Swedish way... The Swedish Army use it on its CV-90/40 AD vehicles for example as armoured unit air defence protection. Of course all Swedish CV-90's are equipped with a 40mm gun and 3p ammunition since its multi role for ground and air engagement...

[@4evaavfc]

Nice gun.

[@shadow-Sun]

Great piece of kit and relatively cheap for the punch it gives 1000 of these in Ukraine would make a difference and not cost all that much in comparison to other systems 40mm cannon /bofors is a sweet spot in firepower IMO .

[@petter5721]

Excellent system 👍🏻

[@renaudstevenin9173]

Ils copient le " Rapide fire " à toutes les sauces. Merci 😚 A+

[@ryanparker7258]

That looks very similar to what they were going to upgrade the warrior IFV with but was rejected in favour of something new and still on the drawing board.

[@NordisktLejon]

Now make it 4 guns, Swedish Virvelvind!

[@Ajay-fl7bl]

This was developed originally in response to Indian Air Force tender for such short range air defence in partnership with Bharat Forge and Elbit systems. But they lost the tender and Larsen and Toubro won.

[@EAFSQ9]

probably because the latter, "Larsen and Toubro" are effectively an Indian company.

[@watermirror]

Waiting for 40x365mm to have 76x365mm variant, similar to Bushmaster 35x228 has 50x228

[@kevchink]

50x228 was created by necking up the 35mm case. The Bofors 40mm casing is not wide enough to be necked up to 76mm. In fact, looking at a photo of the round, it doesn’t look like it can be necked up at all really. The projectile is already about as wide as the case.

[@watermirror]

@@kevchink if that's the case, Bofors 40 will just have to be modified to aptly take 76mm barrel

[@nicowrathz2243]

I think it's important to remember that we're creating shorad solutions based on Ukraine's war where unfortunately they don't have air superiority nor enough armor to take positions and are thus forced to fight a static trench war, i honestly don't think the drone threat would be that high if nato would be deployed there. So sure build CHEAP effective shorad platforms to give to Ukraine so they can stop taking unnecessary casualties (exp against glide bombs) but lets not forget to take lesson about all the other valuable things we're learning from that war and improve the rest, example cheaper AA , better mobile arty and mlrs and shells/rockets, cheaper fire and forget AT, better engi platforms for demining/breaching fortifications and the list goes on an on. In the end tbh the key word here is "CHEAP", doesn't matter if we have slightly or way better everything if the opponent have the same stuff but 100x our amount because they can mass produce slightly worse stuff 100x cheaper.

[@nickrails]

Eh? Why wouldn't the Russians be using drones en-masse if NATO were there? It's an entirely new subset of airpower distinct from conventional fixed and rotary assets, not a poor man's replacement. If NATO won air supremacy in a conflict with Russia, it wouldn't prevent Russia from deploying Zala and Orlan, FPVs, Mavics etc - just more would be lost. Tactical level small drone usage would go through the roof as conventional air power isn't really designed to deal with drones operating under 200ft. Drones are here to stay, and anyone who thinks otherwise is planning for defeat. I do agree with your overall point about mass - this is critical for Western build strategy

[@dc-4ever201]

​@@nickrailsThat supposes Russia has the capacity to produce huge amounts of drones, they can't. All of these drones need electronics and motors and those are hard to come by due to sanctions, yes they are circumventing them to an extent, but it's limiting their ability to manufacture everything. Plus Russia is running out of money, he had a 500Billion dollar warchest at the start of the war and that has run out.

[@Mr820121]

So they saw what Serbia has done with the Pasars system and decided it's a good idea to build a truck mounted Bofors. 🙂👍

[@hellmalm]

How is this different from the 40mm on the Swedish version of the CV90? Except for more ammunition that is?

[@Badlybehavedrobot]

Same gun, right? But the CV90 is tracked and armoured and therefore more expensive. The CV90 is an excellent IFV, but might not be a great choice, or cost-efficient, for static shorad?

[@hellmalm]

@@Badlybehavedrobot true that, but if it’s the same why is it so much larger?

[@Badlybehavedrobot]

@@hellmalm wdum?

[@hellmalm]

@@Badlybehavedrobot The turret on the CV90 is less half the size of this thing. I'm curious as to why? Is it just ammo or is there an other reason?

[@Badlybehavedrobot]

@@hellmalm just a guess = sorry - but probs the cv90 has a bofors 70 whose mass is mostly inside the cv90. So it just looks smaller - It is after all the same gun?

[@Leon1Aust]

something that big needs a search and fire control radar.

[@heavyMaGn헤비마신간]

Ideal WARTHUNDER SPAA

[@kiereluurs1243]

🥱

[@mark_dauz]

can older bofors 40mm get upgrade like this?

[@LazerDon271]

This is the kind of gun I want to protect my house.

[@autoclearanceuk7191]

How much ?

[@frednoname3714]

40 CTC ( BAE/NEXTER) also fitting the french "jaguar" and "ajax" i think. just red new ammo for AA called Kinetic Air Burst ammo but they donnot speak of range anyway this with modern Thales "things" surely one of the best system against drones and flying bombs etc truck+canon+APU+radar+IA looks a good idea. Probably need extra range ( looks like around 2500 mètres...?? Too short) or they don't want to say....

[@Snagabott]

It's not a technical. It's a Technique.

[@doce7606]

In some games, the 'Otomatik' SPAA was the Brigade commander's best friend against air-threats with a longer range than Gepard and a defini-kill capacity. Today we need mobile heavy auto-AA that is fast and survivable in large numbers ... naval turrets on armoured chassis seem reasonable.... send them to Ukraine !

[@jasonc9423]

100 rounds? With the idea that there will be drone SWARMS in the future moving over the battle field, that does not seem like enough rounds that are immediately available.

[@lqr824]

I thought the same, especially given the fantastic rate of fire.

[@Fester_]

Buckingham Palace will never be the same again.

[@CybershamanX]

(1:30) Yeah, because drones are known for loitering in a static position just waitin to be shot. So let's just throw an existing weapon system on the back of a truck. Bravo, BAE! 😁 To be fair, it seems like this "throw existing thing on back of existing thing" is becoming more common across the board. 🙄

[@nickrails]

That's exactly what recon drones do in Ukraine, they loiter in relatively non-dynamic ways. This has a 12km range, it will be extremely effective against a wide variety of recon drones

[@jonnyhjalmarsson9057]

This gun will use the 40mm 3P ammo

[@lc3853]

I"m a soldier. We don't need better guns, we need better politicians.

[@FrancisDana-b9n]

Sigurd Row

[@arturprivat8180]

Toyota Loves this 😂

[@gregs7562]

Mix of these & the lighter 25mm Terrahawk system for the UK Army & RAF Rgt please.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

1:38 quadcopter vaporized

[@spenkmaster]

Let's have some testing in Ukraine soon!

[@jimmytucker8365]

Modern warfare has turned into a skeet shooting contest.

[@ashfaqueali555]

Extra player got Injured in the ground or in group

[@MrSatnavatron]

Swarm drones can pincer the system as it only has 1 barrel

[@NineSeptims]

Yep best way to deal with drones is ECM as russia has shown.

[@bertnl530]

Yes, wel it has a big range and it does not be a direct hit. Most Air defence systems don't need a direct hit.

[@zahransyavifadillah2544]

interesting

[@maikson97]

put it on a leopards or M1 chassis

[@Alex4n3r]

Greenskins mounting a naval gun on a truck/tank: idiotic BAE mounting a naval gun on a truck: genius

[@farthammer7126]

I feel like BAE systems could of made it alittle better. I fee like this is something you would see syria

[@serget4693]

why no auto-reloader?

[@stevenbreach2561]

Stick on a Warrior,rather than retiring them

[@tomsmith2209]

Gets fitted to a Hilux/Landcruiser in 5,4,3,2,....

[@ericgodfrey6401]

Ottomatic little brother.

[@ingvartorma9789]

I don't understand how you can mismanage your Ferrari as much as this Ferrari. But also seen several KZbin videos about the mismanaged Ferrari. In Sweden, you cannot find a single poorly maintained Ferrari.

[@Veritas419]

Bolting a naval gun on a truck I wouldn’t qualify as innovative.

[@NineSeptims]

More like quickly filling the gap gepards used to fill now that they are needed again.

[@najhongflanax3674]

Attn ph airforce and ph navy

[@AnInterestedObserver]

Only 100 rounds then you have to reload manually? How long to do that? How much ammo on the truck? It might be effective once it's firing but how does it deal with a swarm attack? Answer: it can't. It's a waste of money. Brand new solutions have to be found.

[@kashmirha]

Not a waste but need more ammunition, possibly lower turret profile, or maybe wider, for more ammo.

[@andrewlancefield3730]

They wouldn't fight swarms on their own lol

[@JohnsonMalarkey]

Laughs in Serbian PASARS-16! 😂🤣

[@Dingdangdoo]

Drone food.

[@philippos5547]

100 rounds seems not a lot of fun....

[@kiereluurs1243]

200.

[@philippos5547]

@@kiereluurs1243 He says you can have 100 in the turret and then you need to reload kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKjcfJ-bpruhp7M

[@amacca2085]

Absolutely pointless

[@gl1941]

The Russians came up with that idea in Ukraine after they started to running out of equipment but as usual the West will always make it more outstanding Idea

[@vaclavnovacek1035]

It is same idea just better marketed and maybe with less improvised and more systematic approach. BAE is after all publickly traded company trying to get customers.

[@danielkarlsson9326]

I got news for you its been used since WW2 in most western nations. both the L62 and L70 has been in multiple lorry or Dumper truck systems. And this MK.4 version with a Scania Truck has been in development since atleast 2018.

[@homebase5934]

Skynex truck mounted 40mm cannons are just WW2 technology with modern radar and ammunition. If that's high tech for Russia...well LOL

[@maulanavinsky2424]

likewise 😂 , it’s ancient words

[@SC-vw1nx]

Weak design !

[@matteusvirtanen392]

In what way?

[@petter5721]

Best and most used AAgun in the world, Bofors 40mm 👍🏻

[@fightforaglobalfirstamendm5617]

Ridiculous and foolish.

[@vaclavnovacek1035]

What makes you think that?

[@occamraiser]

Apart from the whole FSB troll farm angle....... why are you saying it is foolish, it's just a 40mm cannon on a truck for AA. Exactly like the Quad gun mounts on trucks for AA in WW II. It is a tried and tested model.

[@lorenzcassidy3960]

Yup, you've pretty much described the ruzzian rabble for us.

[@kiereluurs1243]

Ridiculous and foolish.