Bailed Out, Now Pay Back!

[@mnmgag]

I am glad that the defendant won this case. He was being honest. ALL THE BEST

[@ushag.5145]

I agree with the judge, no way he was suppose to know that bail out was a loan…

[@TooLooze]

If you have a bar that needs 5 bouncers, bail is just another business expense. Happy 2025 !

[@onika284]

😂😂😂

[@MarciaJoi]

Agreed

[@ashb7846]

Saying “I didn’t want someone to spend the night in jail on Christmas,” also makes it sound like a gift when offered. If you’re giving someone money, make it clear at the handoff what things are, otherwise it’s messy later.

[@markbirchette8740]

He did his job as a bouncer. Terrible boss.

[@LiloBlue-c2p]

Totally agree !!the guy knew the process he wasn't going to post bond right away . The bar owner said himself he didn't want anyone in jail on Christmas so he paid the bond as a gesture

[@meemeepalmer4144]

The defendant looks like the father off the animated movie The Incredibles!😍😂

[@bobimaryah]

He kinda does!

[@nrobo7692]

5'11" ????? Dude looks 6'4"

[@lorddorker3703]

I'm 6"3' and I really don't like people look at me like I'm a monster.

[@PeopleRTheProblem]

@@lorddorker3703yeah you kinda do like it

[@lulusgm1]

I thought as well

[@Idontwant1]

I would have guessed at least 6’ 2” or 3”.

[@marlonmalcolm1738]

Of course he is

[@mikeyh0]

$150,000? That's the real crime.

[@brenttucker3933]

Fact😂😂

[@oldageisdumb]

If the court sets the bonds low, everyone complains about how awful and lenient our legal system is (or turns it into a racism discussion). Sets it too high and people still complain (but the people crying racism are conveniently silent). The court can’t win.

[@kimberlyadorno280]

​@oldageisdumb or just maybe, the bond should be set by all the facts being unbiasedly considered? The seriousness of the crime/charges, criminal history, risk the defendant poses to the community or "victim", ties to the community, etc.. Not to mention, the "victim" in this case was also charged. Which means, depending on the state, it will more than likely be determined to be mutual combat or possibly self defense. I've witnessed much more violent, repeat offenders be given a significantly less bond/bail amount and that is one of the reasons many people complain about exaggerated or much too lenient bonds.

[@JayJay-me8zk]

Plaintiff of course disagrees, but JM definitely got this one right.

[@lorddorker3703]

I have to agree. There are some cases I strongly disagree with the judge but this one I strongly feel she nailed it!

[@crystalshaw8744]

"Like the old West?" 😂😂😂😂😂

[@SkulShurtugalTCG]

Judge had a moment of Solomon's Wisdom there.

[@marathonbleu]

Verdict was on point!

[@meemeepalmer4144]

Doesn’t insurance cover these kinds of things?!

[@MonroesArtStudio]

In my head this was a no-brainer. If the guy was being arrested for doing his job then it shouldn't be his fault anyways. He didn't initiate the fight, he was removing the problem, and someone else came at him. Not his fault.

[@Kay-Kiss]

I love the judge! I love how she actually considers things.

[@BillMoman]

I love how the plaintiff keeps naming his bar by name to get free publicity.

[@Hazel.Eyed.Gemini]

Why not

[@thefonzkiss]

Yeah publicity of a good place to avoid.

[@de4700]

The boss is such a sleeze

[@yanibarbs]

I dont know how old this is but Shea’s has been rowdy since it opened… they used to leave the parking lot a freaking mess…(worked at the Kohls right next to them years ago)

[@LisetteOlds]

Bouncers dont get that much considering what they have to do, this should be paid for by the business.

[@phuckyouqweef7927]

depends on who you work for, I've work for places closer to minimum wage and some have paid very well. usually depends on the place, risk and skill. and yes, I would expect to be bail unless I was arrested outside the line of duty. and if not, and in this case, I'd bail myself out and sue him.

[@glenncurley680]

He was at work. He was doing his job. He may have over reacted with the doors being closed when he evicted the patron.

[@tiffanylaverdad245]

Good judgment ❤ Poor defendant didn't ask for this

[@Cerys1102]

I agree with the judgement. If you're so quick to pull money out of the register from the business, I'd assume you're making a business decision and may get a write-off on it later as a "business expense" or something. ESPECIALLY if you don't EXPLICITLY say it needs to be paid back. Now, if it came from the owner's own pocket, I might have asked a few more questions

[@shergirl92]

I agree . He looks like he can take care of himself in jail and most likely the charges would have been dismissed the employer realizes he will get sued 😊

[@catherine-b1l]

Restaurant is responsible.

[@franklesser5655]

Mike's a beast. Hire him today!

[@Itsjustleia]

The defendant seems like a sweet guy, and very genuine.

[@aruthlessreview2277]

Owner was pissed !¡!

[@shirleywiese5230]

I’m kinda on the defendant side he wouldn’t have spent $4000 to build himself out. He had just waited a couple of days he could’ve got a bond reduction and like he said he needed that money for an attorney.

[@leisurefarm]

absolutely right verdict, so much of it came down to common sense.

[@barbarapaton4005]

Fair verdict

[@Mom2jems]

I feel they're both responsible. The business has to be able to keep their employees safe at all costs. The fight happened while the bouncer was on duty doing his job while in the owner's establishment. Now, the bouncer didn't need to beat the guy to a pulp causing him to get arrested. Glad he found a better job where his freedom is less jeopardized.

[@Fluffyzk]

The plaintiff right away said, don’t worry, someone will b there in ten minutes and bail u out, to the defendant. Never did he ask if I bail u out will u pay me back. I knew he was going to lose.

[@joeysantos3978]

I’m shocked the people outside not one was on the workers side

[@burtonm3220]

according to BOTH plaintiff and defendant neither clarified this as a loan to be paid back until AFTER the money was spent. thats not a loan. thats like if you offer someone a burger and they eat it and then you tell them that its going to be 5 dollars well after the food is digested. theres a reason why so many people are stuck in jail waiting for trial or a plea deal. its ridiculously expensive to bond out.

[@GrumpySmurf0813]

Happy 2025 y'all

[@loribryant884]

Happy New year 🎉

[@bash547]

I’m not happy

[@millissentflemmings2216]

@@bash547I feel you. I hope things get better for you.

[@shelberz1]

: )

[@ebenson4778]

Happy 2025!! Ayyyee!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@sheriwilliams5027]

🇺🇸❤️🙏🏽the restaurant has insurance get your bail back by reporting a claim to your business insurance.. Defendant is the employee, he’s defending the restaurant property and other patrons, plaintiff needs to have money in his safe for this type of scenario, especially when the police decide their sick of having to deal with issues at this establishment.🇺🇸❤️🙏🏽

[@missa1goins]

Seem like someone's attorney would have worked on getting the defendant charges dismissed if that's what the police actually told him.

[@ehizogieimasuen9565]

Yes, however, you DO NOT have a right to defend yourself to beat a person to a pulp. The drunk guy punching him does not mean he has the right to beat him .. I don't understand why people who get beat up by security and bouncers don't sue more often because nobody has a right to pick you up off the ground and flip you outside. They are suppose to call the police

[@missa1goins]

@ehizogieimasuen9565, I agree!

[@X23SSaviourGundam]

If you're bailing them out and considering it a loan then you're not going it as a good gesture out of the kindness of your heart, so don't pretend you're doing them a favor, because you're just performing a transaction, and you don't tell an ATM or cashout clerk you're doing them a favor. Also it's 150,000 even by early 2000s standards thats not money you can just pop up in a year or two or three especially when you lay them off and remove a source of their funding. False generosity.

[@Degorff]

Wrongful Termination sue the bar owner for terminating you for doing your job at the bar. That was not a loan he sauid he would get him out. Not a gift because he was working for you at the time. The bar owner is in the wrong.

[@runningawayvagabond5876]

A sports bar needing FIVE bouncers plus door guys? Seems like a rough and tumble kinda place. Tried to google the place. If the plaintiff said Shades I couldn't find anything but if it's Shea's that exists. Reviews are pretty normal for a restaurant/bar/pub. Some folks love it, some hate it, nothing surprising. Shea's also does live music and has a patio so that might explain needing so much security. Sports, music, booze, what could possibly go wrong, haha.

[@lucdube808]

Shea’s, it’s now called Murphy’s Pub

[@14kchang]

A bail bond is not a personal loan, but a contractual obligation between the defendant, the agent, and the court. The agent acts as surety-they guarantee that the defendant will appear in court. The agent does not lend money to the defendant directly but pays the court on their behalf.

[@lorddorker3703]

The bond was for $150k. The bill to pay the bail agent was $5k. The restaurant owner was trying to say the $5k was a loan, not the bail agent.

[@14kchang]

@@lorddorker3703 But there was no written agreement or text saying it was a loan.

[@lorddorker3703]

@@14kchang you are correct. I was trying to contextualize my use of loan to the original reply. I failed! :-)

[@OverlordZeroULTIMA]

Love the advertising for the business. :P Is it still running? I live nowhere near that place (nor ever heard of it), so now I'm curious.

[@marissalynn7974]

Go google it🙄

[@lucdube808]

Yes, same owners. They changed the name to Murphy’s Pub

[@AaronG912]

I’ve been there probably a dozen times, it’s still there. Decent place to go listen to some live bands outside during the summer but definitely some trashy people

[@catherinesisk4369]

The guy was doing his job and gets arrested for it. Not a loan.

[@Riverprincess55]

The bouncer doing his job

[@ninosimone]

I agree with the judge

[@JAAulde]

The plaintiff is a terrible business owner and employer

[@G-PAT]

Big boy dodge a bullet🤪🤪🤪(whew)

[@bloopville]

As soon as he called the guy he bounced an "individual", it was obvious he was an ex-felon.

[@BTURNER1961]

The two emotions this guy is not feeling, as he sits in that jail cell, is fear and the desperation fear induces. He's done time. he can handle himself. At 150,000, he's going to wait and see what happens - unless Santa comes along. Well Santa came along but Santa did not get into the details. I agree with the Judge.

[@jvillebil13]

Exactly, when the boss took care of it, you don't get do overs sometimes.

[@isafamilla1285]

Aussi incroyable que ça puisse paraître le Videur est hyper honnête, ne ment pas,et dis droit dans les yeux de la juge j'ai déjà fait des grosses bêtises, et j'assume tous mes actes.merci au juge de voir clair à chaque fois elle me tue par sa clairvoyance

[@NellieKAdaba]

J'adore la juge.

[@JillyBean135Music]

Crazy to see my hometown here lol

[@davidwhite3180]

Shea’s is still open. Wondering if the same guy owns it. He made sure to plug it.

[@GummyBearWA]

10% of $150K is $15,000....

[@DaishaView]

I agree. If I were the defendant I would assume I was covered under the bar. It’s like workers comp lol

[@PHOENIX1699]

Bar owner is shady himself. Guy got into a brouhaha defending HIS place - he's responsible for my medical and legal, within reason.

[@HypeTeck]

How is there no surveillance system?

[@CoastalBachelor2009]

Worker’s comp.

[@debidraughn8862]

Is it one of those things like fill someone up on booze and hand them their keys ??? But they have qualified immunity for bar owners ??

[@tjtampa214]

The way the bar owner told him don't worry, we will be right down there and get you out - did sound like had insurance or something and they got it covere and it was part of the job. Besides that, the bar owner has a bad reputation apparently with the police because of the violence so he is actually putting his employees at risk every night because of this ongoing problem. So he definitely should have that as part of the payroll because it's not right for him to set up his employees to go to jail..

[@andrewanderson-np7wz]

This verdict was 100% correct. The owner is responsible for what happens in his bar. I think the defendents bond amount was ridiculous for not having any violence on his previous charges. I hope he has found a good lawyer.

[@Michael-r8t9y]

He massively understated his record it took me 3 minutes of non stop scrolling to get through all the assaults and drug charges

[@traceyaz125]

If the guy is on the job and he’s basically doing what he’s paid to do, the owner should cover it unless when he got hired it was made clear they wouldn’t.

[@DonziGT230]

It kinda sucks that the boss's generosity wasn't repaid, but he really needed to have that conversation with the guy if he was expecting it back.

[@NellieKAdaba]

True

[@zoeg7985]

I agree with the verdict. I’m surprised at the suit at all from the plaintiff, why he thinks that the defendant would take that kind of loan and worse, be able to pay that back is beyond me. PS googled the bar in Manchester and it has since changed names

[@tiesha1989]

As a MANAGER you have a right to your employees. The MANAGER is the one who decided he did NOT want to have HIS employee in jail so there for it was a GIFT!! The guy DID NOT ASK to be bailed out he was just letting him know 'I'm in jail." As an employee SHOULD!!

[@shebasanon4936]

🙋🏽‍♀️ i do not want to be rude but!!!! 🍾 The defendant knows of it and took advantage of him.

[@ronacord]

Bar owner is crazy!

[@JuliaJacksons]

The job is what got him in the situation so bar owner should pay half at least in my opinion anyway

[@Hatokirei]

WOW that plantiff if a sleeze. The defendant was arrested protecting the bar and defending himself at his place of employment. If you run a rowdy bar then you have to expect there will be a cost.

[@marissalynn7974]

Adrian probably saying something about today’s news like it’s related to the case. 🙄🙄

[@Peter-p4p4b]

😆 🤣 😂 she said 5foot11 and 240 is big not to mess with im only 6 foot a 246 and consider myself small i mean I can hold my own and whatnot but still not big enough to be a bouncer

[@KevinG-td7sz]

Restaurant is responsible

[@Pinkblueflowerlady]

That is kinda way bars and clubs are crazy to run cause you got people in there like the defendant was describing acting like it’s a wrestling ring starting arguments and fights that just gets out of hand…

[@christopherramon-reid2000]

YES 👍

[@taraedwards5465]

I believe bar is responsible.

[@taraedwards5465]

I’m not even an attorney! 😅

[@kevincastle649]

Guy doesnt seem to know his actual height or weight? He looks more likely 6 ft 1 or 2 and about 275 at least. Def not 5 ft 11 and 250.

[@marissalynn7974]

I’m 5 11 and 240 as a female don’t judge weight and height. Learn the body first which you’d never do

[@Michael-r8t9y]

Im his sun and im 510 and he looks a foot taller then me in person but swears hes 511

[@gloriahammonds2762]

Happy New Year everyone, make the best of this year 🎉

[@marissalynn7974]

No

[@Michael-r8t9y]

Holy shit thats my dad😂

[@amjedhatu542]

Hey got arrested doing his job for you! A good lawyer will get the defendants charges dropped, complete bs charges on the bouncer.

[@crystalshaw8744]

I disagree with the verdict but I understand.

[@lolamaude3449]

I don't think the restaurant is responsible, the patron assulted the employee. Denfendant is employee, boss should pay for it.

[@thefonzkiss]

So you DO think the restaurant is responsible.

[@shirleywiese5230]

Happy New Year!

[@marissalynn7974]

No

[@inukoko2012]

Not he got locked up for doing his job lol and the other guy hit him first but anyway the plaintiff should’ve told him it was a loan from the jump. Seems like he voluntarily got him out of jail.

[@susm6987]

Wow

[@HaymeleyRofina]

Happy 2025 for y'all

[@armynurseshark]

My New Year’s Day with the PC fam will not be complete without the obligatory Adrian comment. Where IS he??

[@Grabbearjet]

Screw that troll

[@marissalynn7974]

Minding their business like you should. Go find a hobby

[@NOYB22]

First of all anyone that have priors should know that their Bell is not going to be so easy he will get his karma for not doing the right thing regardless of what the judge said even if he gave some of the money back would be the right thing to do

[@missa1goins]

Agreed

[@Twinntha1st]

Happy 2025🎉

[@amandanoelle5701]

I don't agree at all. First time.

[@asgb752-belgium7]

I hope his bouncers are watching this, and the next time they need to take a care of someone , they will all sit down and let the owner handle the situation himself.

[@gmant478]

Hes over 6 feet for sure 265lbs

[@marzdrizzle6787]

Overweight for 5”11 should be 199 or 200 flat