BassLine By HappyModel // Rocket Race Replacement?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Its close to my favorite micro Rocket Race. The AliExpress link does have HappyModel 1102 10000kv which would bring this closer to the TKS Rocket Race BassLine Available From Below Resellers AliExpress - bit.ly/3CAn95f Banggood - bit.ly/3irsDbJ

[@tadejortomorrow]

What's the difference between 1102 and 1103?

[@Super_Mario_Fpv]

Do you have a discount code for either I'm not gonna complain. For $123 Thank you kindly

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@tadejortomorrow 1103 is taller, will weigh more and has more overall power/torque

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@Super_Mario_Fpv I did for 2022 on banggood. I will ask them. Please send me an email reminder [e-mail]

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@SuperMario 603 My coupon code BGNick2022 does continue to work for 8% off. Although its not available in all countries. I do know it works in the US and Canada.

[@asul996]

Nick mine had problems with the tune like yours. I found the motor connectors on the Flight Controller were touching the frame and I corrected the problem with some sandpaper. Now it's an excellent tune, amazing how much BF has improved. Great flying 2", great review. Thanks

[@TinyWhoop]

dude, another excellent in-depth review! Thank you and Bravo nick!!!

[@Tokyo_Dom]

One comment... Bass in this case is pronounced as Base; its the musical term (from Bass Guitar), and the Bass line is the riff performed by the bass guitarist. Nathan Loops often uses Drum & Bass music on his videos, probably why he picked the name!

[@ragndroneman]

Well said Dom. They do have problems with a few words over the pond, theatre, grey, colour, neighbours, endeavour, ....... humour

[@Tokyo_Dom]

@@ragndroneman ALUMINUM!! haha Queen's English FTW (wait is that King's English now?) actually I'm sure us Australians also butcher the language quite a bit

[@fpvsmurf]

This is true, that's how Nathan loopz pronounces it.

[@AL_FPV]

No quite a fish... 😂

[@k1ortia]

@@ragndroneman Not forgetting the best one...SOLDER, which they call SODDER. Does me every time

[@solongbattlestar]

Hey Nick and commentors, just wanted to let you know that I saw 1102 10000kv and 18000kv motors from NewBeeDrone. I don't need any because I have the BetaFPV 1102 11000kv motors. BetaFPV still sells them on Amazon. I plan on using them for a 2s HDZero build for the spring. Chicagoland is Whoop weather for 6 months. That's why I appreciate your micro-centric content. Keep it up. All The Best for the New Year.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

That is right, thanks for the reminder. Unfortunately the motor connectors are only the correct size for newbeedrone flight controllers. They have smaller connectors than the rest of the motors/AIO

[@johncarold]

Hi Nick, I have liked Happymodel products for years, from their pre-built to parts, I have used them for most of my micros. Thanks again for the video and information about this quad.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

certainly, my pleasure

[@Carboneye7]

Just ordered one at get fpv Thanks for all the great reviews it was a close call not to build the rocket race.

[@slackerinmotion]

Thanks, Nick. On your recommendation, I got two Starlord frames (2.5mm thick) and built one. Comparing this Starlord with another similar-sized build, I have come to appreciate the benefits of a stiffer frame...can have larger motors, can take more abuse, and most importantly, has no discernable vibration.😀

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I have a starlord vid coming up shortly, no recorded. Its an HDZero build. I do have a slight preference for true x over stretched x.

[@tarkusxfpv8010]

Its 2023 and we are still talking about my #TKS thats crazy never thought that people would like it so much ...... Im gonna need to design something new for the hardware releasing every single day ..wonder if i should focus on hdzero ? Personally when i fly i still use my TKS GTR analog with a Runcam Thumb and i still didn't upgraded to HDZERO yet . Ill need to take a look at what most people use to design something simple for everyone . P.s About the BassLine i would personally swap motors for 1203 7000kv or 1204.5 8022kv . One of my TKS GTR run on 1204.5 8022kv ( Hyperlite ) and its a Rocket Race version :) ! Happy New Year Nick and everyone !

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Lol, yup we still talking about your frame :) Good things stick around longer. I do have your GTR frame now. I need to build it up. Thanks for the motor tip.

[@chrisbee5481]

Arent 1203 7000kv a little too low for this 2" 2Ssetup? I'm using the flywoo 1203 11500kv motors for this on 2S. Pretty high but powerful. Love these motors

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@chrisbee5481 I think he was thinking 2.5inch prop on those motors, but maybe he will clarify for us.

[@slackerinmotion]

Still love the stiff Starlord frame. Built one with 1102.5 motors at 11500kv spinning the Emax Avan 2.3" tri-blades. With a 450mAh 2s batt, it's on the heavy side but it has gobs and gobs of power. Saving my second frame to put HDZero on.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@slackerinmotion Nice. I have a starlord with HDZero on it. Should be coming up yet this week.

[@drunkskunk00]

Great review! There are a number of 1102 motors still being made, along with the HGLRC you mentioned. NewBeeDrone Flow 1102 10,000kv, GepRC GR1102 10,000KV, and there also seem to be a bunch of listings for the HappyModel EX1102 in stock.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

True, I did likely overstate it. The newbeedrone motor connectors only match the motor connectors on newbeedrone AIOs, or we have to cut and solder. I failed to remember the geprc motors, I have a set in my storage. And I have been told that happymodel is still making the kit for the DIY UZ85, maybe that kit is where the motors are coming from. HappyModel told me no more, or one of us misunderstood the other. The US FPV shops don't seem to have them for awhile now. :(

[@drunkskunk00]

@@NickBurnsFPV Yeah, the last set I got of Happymodel 1102 was off ebay. It's sad they quit making them, it's a great motor, probably my favorite.

[@ChrisHarmon1]

Just converted mine to HD last night. The stock mounted canopy works fine with the Walksnail 1s camera(old one with screw holes) so I'm not sure what the other mount would be for. Swapping the camera for HD seemed to add about 5.5g bringing it up to 45.83g with battery mount. I really think this blows the Flywoo Nano baby 20 away for the money/performance. Frame is about 0.5mm thicker too.

[@jkwilson35]

Hi can you show us a video of the walksnail 1s change over.

[@sixtofive]

Oh cool, I've been looking forward to hearing your take on this one.

[@PowerLoop-media]

Great review, as always. I need to check your Rocket Race video. I fell in love with micro racing drones a few months ago when I flown my 3-inch diatone cube build for the first time. The choice of motors on quads this size is very important. A bad weight to power ratio can ruin your experience, and a good setup can give so much fun. The best part is that I can now rip gates in the park or even my garden, which is much smaller than yours 😉

[@NickBurnsFPV]

2inch ripper might be interesting for an even smaller track, or smaller gates. Practice a bit of extra precision.

[@macejc101]

Bassline...as in a supportive music riff in a low frequency which supports musical timing.

[@lightbulbjim]

I recently discovered the GEPRC GR1102 motors. 10000KV with four hole mounting! The three hole mounts always feels a bit flimsy to me (especially on frames like the Bassline where it's drilled for both options).

[@ChrisParayno]

I hear people bashing on happymodel today but it's such a good starter drone. If you crash, parts are easy to replace and then some parts are versatile enough to build something bigger/smaller assuming you can find jst connectors on some motors. Remember when the original motors were 1103 at this size?!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I don't spend any time defending any one company. My experience through the comments over the years is no company has 100% customer satisfaction. Its possible in FPV we might be the toughest of all customers :)

[@johannesnacpil7342]

Love the crash video, reminded me of Wang computers. Great review Nick, one thing I did notice is the flight time for the new stuff is shorter. Otherwise very crisp review. Teehee. Betafpv do make 1102 motors still.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I think crash reels will be easier to do with the audio recording of HDZero DVR. That is true they have the 1102 180000kv, do they have other 1102s?

[@MCsCreations]

Fantastic flying and review, Nick! 😃 It seems like a really fun quad!!! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@Wind_Rapport]

glad to hear TKS is still king, cause my parts are just now coming in! Thanks Nick you da best

[@amin0_acid310]

Thanks for the video, Been seeing this little guy around and was curious. Love HappyModel, I have a ton of their stuff. That being said I'm still more interested in building a TK Rocket. But for someone starting out their fleet and not having anything in this format. Not a bad quad I guess. You deffinatly proved it's fairly tough with those crashes. Let's see if they come out with a HDZero Build and sort out the motors for that one. Cheers!

[@InfinityLoops]

Wait it's bass like fish and not bass like bass line in a song. I thought Nathan Loopz, drum&bass, bass line. I'm gonna be upset if it's really bass like a fish 😆

[@KlownFPV]

It is bass like drum and bass! 😂🎈🤡

[@ScowlerJase]

Yeah it’s bass as in bass guitar 😊. Least that’s what Nathan refers to it as - maybe Happymodel misread it and thought “yeah, that fits in with the fish theme..” 😭

[@dirtymcstinky1656]

I was also going to say it's bass line as in drum and bass, bass guitar etc.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I thought it was fish, but I could always be wrong. :) 🤦

[@FastSloW-qt8xf]

I definitely got the micro bug. I always flew whoops and 5" but 2s micros are so much fun. About 1 week ago I ordered the mob 8 from China so it will probably take another week or 2. I just ordered the bassline from rdq which will get here in 2 or 3 days... so atleast when I break one I have parts

[@Therberg2500]

Looks to be a good candidate for a naked vista and nano pro cam for a hd upgrade! I have the Firefly 2S Nano Baby 20 DJI Vista with the 1002 15500kv motors using the Gemfan 2" bi-blades and it's fun to fly. These 1103 motors with the 3 blade props should haul the extra weight easily!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I do agree as well. I wouldn't be surprised if we would see that shortly. Ooops sorry I guess thats a bit of a spoiler depending on if your still watching :)

[@ChrisParayno]

I agree, bigger motors ftw.

[@yohfpv]

I don't know how much weight the HD system would add to the Bassline, but I've been flying this prop motor combination for a long time on a 50g analog toothpick and I love it.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@yohfpv ah thanks for that input. If it does come about I will see if I can get one of each HD system to test.

[@yohfpv]

@@NickBurnsFPV If you get to the point of tinkering with or testing a heavier, HD-equipped quad of this type with these 2023 props, I suggest that you keep your idle low and beef up your throttle curve slightly around the 25%-50% section. Doing so improves dive recovery without interfering with zero-throttle throws.

[@ragndroneman]

Last time I checked my quads have 4 motors not 3! Great review again Nick 😜👍

[@spencerthorp]

Hey Nick, great review as usual! Don't forget that NewBeeDrone has 1102 motors now too.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The down side to the NBD motor is the connectors are specific to NBD AIOs :(

[@spencerthorp]

@@NickBurnsFPV Oops I had forgotten about that.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@spencerthorp no worries. I forget stuff all the time 😇

[@aurozappa305]

Bass Pro is having a sale on ice fishing rods this weekend

[@jamesmichaelcabrera9613]

My 1002 14000 KV runs the emax blur props perfectly fine on 2s and I have it on the Sub-Zero 250 frame with their canopy. I even got a foxeer toothless and lollipop 4 plus on it, My favorite quad to fly at the moment. I even got other 4s droneand this two 2s 2ich is the funnest

[@NowUC8]

Dropping the Bassline! Really excited to watch this review!

[@Sfpv1994]

Thank you for your Review and direct comparison! On point as always

[@jwhitaker81]

Never added just screws to one motor but yes BF will compensate, kind of like having one weak esc or motor that spins a few hundred rpm slower. BF will compensate within reason. two screws is very well within reason.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I thought and hoped BF would compensate, but never done it.

[@Dangeresque14]

Wouldn't it still be pronounced like baseline, as in the musical spelling? Like the bass part of a song?

[@itouchipods]

Hey nick ive been watching since before i could fly.. learned on a retired 4-6s race quad and still love your videos. I like your flight style a lot. I was thjnking you should make a video on motor comparisons (kv etc) maybe w some back to back footage. Ive read a little bit about motors but it seems on paper that high kv would be better however i prefer the low kv -cheers!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

There is so many topics like that which do hit me from time to time, the issue is so subjective or dependent on each individuals flight style and goals. It is likely worth an attempt :)

[@shakeymikesadventures6793]

you can do a pair of screws on 1 motor, betaflight will compensate just like if you had put 4 different motor kv on it. 126.00 is cheap for a qwad is the new norm pricing .

[@radfield6089]

Pretty sure is said *base* as in bass guitar or bassline in music

[@parker1ray]

I have HDzero, and wish walksnail had been around I currently only own two quads with HDzero, and want a 3 or 4 inch rtf quad with HDzero, but can not find one that is available! I know the Crux35 can be purchased with it, but I already own one with analog. My whole point is there are not many manufacturers that offer an HDzero option!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I think Emax has some hdzero options in the 3-4inch category.

[@volkergoe]

Great review - I loved the crash reel!

[@jeffreyrodriguez3356]

Dam nick burns I haven’t seen your channel and flying in a while cause I lost the passion and $$ for the hobby, but just wanted to say your flying and backyard have improved so much lol

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Thank you. Hopefully the passion and $$ have return to a better place?

[@miquelmarti6537]

Just based on your video, I find the flightime to be quite short on that bass line. I printed a TKS frame (Impact-PLA from Fiberlogy) and followed your recipe. It usually flies 3 -4 minutes depending on my mood/battery. IMVHO it's better than the toothpicks and actually my most used quad, so I find very strange that nobody wanted to make that recipe a commercial success. BTW: I have screws mounted only on the front motors and I haven't noticed any problem (using aio x12 with stock BF 4.3).

[@NickBurnsFPV]

flight time is such a big variable. Age/storage/flights/quality of battery, type of flight, amount of throttle during the flight, its really hard for us to get much a measure on flight time. We can get close comparing the details of the battery and flight video.

[@Seii-FPV]

0:05 sec mark - it's actually not a play with words. Judging by the amazing music style he likes (who doesn't), it's like in the legendary Roland TB-303 Bass Line synthesizer. Even though there is many good copycats out there, Roland TB-303 was never surpassed by any other, so I guess Nathan Loopz wanted his baby to feel the same :)

[@dcabecao9357]

It's interesting you don't seem to break the shaft on the motors? I fly the 1102 happymodel motors on a 35g 2s 2" toothpick like this and I have to use the prop screws, otherwise the shafts are gone after a few crashes. It's not great because the motors are already not that powerful for the 2" props and the added weight does matter. I want to try 1103 motors on this quad which seems to be a better fit for the 2" props. About using the screws with only one motor, betaflight does compensate for it so you don't need to worry but that one motor will be a bit slower to respond, so the flight experience will be affected. That said, probably only very experienced pilots will notice anything.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

what kv are the 1102s? I can only suspect the difference in our motor shaft issues is environmental or crash "style".

[@sixtofive]

I am wondering if the current needs to be calibrated. 30A max seems a bit excessive for that combo of parts. Most of my 2s 1103 10-11000 kv setups have usually maxed out around 20-24 amps of draw when using that exact battery.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I suspect so as well. But this is how it came :)

[@Sugalime3D_FPV]

HGLRC now has 1003 motors with 10000KV 1-2S. From the dimensions volume they are between 1102 and 1103.

[@anthonycadejr3995]

Hey got the flywoo nano 2 inch off your opinion a few weeks ago now you say it needs more motor don't recall u saying that in review but I like have you heard of the NewBeeDrone mosquito XL BNF has 1102 motors didn't get it haven't seen any reviews on it was when flywoo 2 inch so got the flywoo and you put your stamp of approval on it at the time. But check it out love your reviews. Hey can you direct to anyone making custom caponies for flywoo 2inch need more camera angle 40 to 45 degrees fixed change camera and capony about 2to3 grams heavier don't know what way to go on tune you flown it any suggestions 😀 anything will up or down on pids get shack at full throttle thx micros for ever peace

[@NickBurnsFPV]

It's a subjective thing, but yes when comparing the nanobaby 20 and bassline to the rocket race. baby 20 needs a touch more motor and the bassline a touch less weight. This doesn't make either bad by any stretch. I can't say I know of any canopies for the nano baby 20, best option would be search thingiverse.com or printables.com for a 3d print we can print or order. Another option might be to use the crux3 canopy, which we might find under different names as it gets used in many happymodel quads. Do note, I have broken one and I have reports of others that have broken the canopy. A print might last longer.

[@carlosr.2027]

Looks like Rocket race for the win , which would you Recomend would make it second place at the finish line bassline or Flywoo Firefly 2S Nano Baby 29

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Did I not cover that in the video?

[@carlosr.2027]

@@NickBurnsFPV got it and it’s a tie for second place between flywoo 2s and bassline ,would there be a tie breaker maybe soon to come will see who knows IJK, thank you sir 🎤 😅

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@carlosr.2027 I think one point to push us to the bassline would be if we are running HD, the 1103 motor will handle the additional weight better.

[@chrisbee5481]

Hey Nick, how do you like the HGLRC 1102 motors? I'm thinking of changing over. No luck with the durability of the HM motors. I believe rcinpower makes the motors for HGLRC. Awesome quality.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Its been a minute since I tried them, my recollection is the performance was on par with happymodel 1102. The efficiency was not.

[@dustinpugh8222]

I have the flywoo 2s baby 20 yadda yadda yadd... and it uses 2 blade props, this is a very similar build, what are the pros and cons of 2 blades and 3 blade props? Sorry it's a newbie question

[@NickBurnsFPV]

tri blades corner tight and feel as they hold the turn better when at speed. They also require less throttle for the same movement as bi blades.

[@raminatorrammer]

Thank you, Nick for your thorough & informative reviews! 👍 I just ordered one of these to add to my micro collection. It sure looks like this frame could easily accommodate 2.5” props. Am I wrong?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I don’t believe it can.

[@raminatorrammer]

Thank you kindly! 🙏

[@yohfpv]

The DVR recording by your new goggles looks fantastic.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

It is certainly a big step up. So much smoother now that dvr isn't interlaced and recorded at a higher quality.

[@nuffpropsfpv3870]

Bass like the sound nick 😂 Bass line is a style of uk music . But I bet bass line is a fishing product in America. Love the video.

[@fishballfpv9063]

A loose motor screw which causes a shake on my quad ended doing a "flyaway" like i cant throttle down but i did disarm and no error message on OSD..

[@NickBurnsFPV]

did the motor come loose mid flight. Normally we would see runaway on screen if we have the "warnings" element turned on on the OSD page of betaflight. Maybe check that.

[@fishballfpv9063]

@@NickBurnsFPV for sure it was mid flight and all stick inputs were like frozen and the quad just went straight up.. Never saw any error or warnings at all so my instinct told me to disarm which it did.. Dropped from the sky on my neighboors garage and broke an arm

[@fishballfpv9063]

@@NickBurnsFPV im thinking the pids got all messed up when the motor came loose and introduced alot of vibrations.. Not really sure. Just an educated guess

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@fishballfpv9063 I agree when the motor came loose that will certainly cause betaflight to do weird things, we used to call that "oscillating to the moon", the quad just won't come down as betaflight continues to try and make more and more corrections for the flight irregularities. This also used to happen with just a bad tune, we had to be so careful on fresh builds. I still thought it would auto disarm and display "runaway" on screen. Older version of betaflight?

[@McBrideclan6]

Looks like a min between the bqe pickpocket frame and the happymodel larva frame. I like it.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I had forgotten about the BQE frames.

[@Mupshot]

looks like a fun little guy to fly. so you didn't suffer severe battle damage it in any of those impacts?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Nope, everything still humming along.

[@CDRaff]

I have a set of Flywoo 1202.5 11500 on a custom built 1/2s and they are pretty nice. Super quiet on 1s and beefy AF with a 2s. It would be perfect if the dumb x12 I have in it would work right(second board with them both intermittently throwing "no gyro"). On a side note, any recommendations on a replacement for it?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

replacement for the x12? It doesn't have motor connectors but I have been likely and buying more of the flywoo F405. Either that isn't the board or they no longer offer a version with vtx on board. I need to look at the flywoon nano baby 20 when I get home to see which it has.

[@Sam-ei4yx]

Hey Nick, just received my elrs version! Trying to bind with my boxer elrs. Can you perhaps give me a bullet point message of how to bind them? Can’t seem to get it bound up? Thank you

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I think the first point is what trips most people up. Bot the receiver and the radio must be on the same major elrs version. Most likely with your boxer you have 3.x.x, so we need to flash the receiver in the quad to 3.2 or something close to that at this time. Use a passphrase and that way we don't have to do the binding process. The binding process isn't secret so we can use anything that would be unique from our flying friends. I use NBURNS!. Typically if we have both on the same major version and use a passphrase we are all set.

[@Sam-ei4yx]

Thank you very much for your reply. Yes the radio is on 3.2.1 I have tried to flash the drone to v3 using the happy model link and cli dump from the website. Perhaps that’s not the right way? Could you please tell me how to flash the receiver to v3 Nick. I would really appreciate it

[@_tcmore]

Hey Nick, Are you sure Happymodel stopped making the EX1102's? Rotorgeeks in Canada just got an order in recently so they can sell their DIY kits again for the Bluejay you reviewed a little while back.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I thought so. I believe I have a FB chat asking them. I haven't been able to find them in stock in any of the US based shops for months and months. Maybe there was something lost in communication and the US shops don't want to carry them anymore. Good to know some can be had from RotorGeeks.

[@_tcmore]

@@NickBurnsFPV that’s interesting because they have them both in the DIY kit, the BNF, sold separately and sold in a group of 4. Must have been some kind of miscommunication or they recently made some more.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@_tcmore The DIY kit, isn't that the UZ85? I bought like 4 of those about the time I released the rocket race video. I see one listing for that on aliexpress, but pnp :( I suspect I need to ask again, I may have misinterpreted or not asked in a clear way.

[@Espon123]

Hi Nick, I'm currently flying a Mobula 7, mostly outside and looking for something more powerfull. The flywoo and happymodel are both 90%, but how to choose between the 2 BNF's? When would you suggest the bassline and when the flywoo? I understand the weight and motors are different, but not sure what that means in characteristics/behavior

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The flywoo would be more appropriate for small spaces and quicker maneuvers. The bassline the opposite. All in all both are very similar.

[@jamesmichaelcabrera9613]

All you have to do for your mobula 7 is change the pigtail to an BT 3.0 or a xt30 so you can put 2s batteries on it and then put your motor output limit to 88% in beta flight So You don't burn out those little motors and you have a little rocket. You can also just buy the mobula eight frame and then you basically have the mobula 8. You just need to buy the 2 in tri-blade props

[@hornedreaper33]

Are the long screws possibly to accommodate a HD VTX??

[@NickBurnsFPV]

that is my thought as well

[@just4fun127]

@@NickBurnsFPV Or maybe you can put a Runcam Split3-lite with the spare mob6hd canopy that came in the package?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@just4fun127 yes, I do believe when we original saw that canopy it was on a quad with a split cam.

[@lostinacrowd]

Should I put a cap on this thing? I'm getting serious sag on batteries that are "100c" rated.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Cap isn’t going to help. C rating on batteries mean nothing btw. Maybe reflow the battery led or try other batteries.

[@maaz396]

Hello Brother Nick! I was looking into getting a new quad Couldn’t choose between The baseline 2s or the Crux 3 2s , I hope you can help me choose 😅

[@NickBurnsFPV]

They are pretty similar, I prefer the bassline and I think the bassline frame will be more robust

[@jasoncourville9568]

Hello Nick, I was thinking about building a tks rocket race with HDZero. Does the whoop lite vtx and camera fit? Thanks

[@NickBurnsFPV]

It’s not compatible with two layer stacks. The props will hit the vtx

[@shakeymikesadventures6793]

i have to ask a question, probably already answered it, as far as optics,fit,and view . Are hd zero better in analog than the orqa v1. i love the fov and how big the screens are in my orqas, and i do want to go digital in the future with HD Zero. Ps: i gave away my orqa pilots (v2) 533 version and my fatshark dominator 2 , they went with 4 of the qwads i built from your parts.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The FOV is smaller on the HDZero goggles, but the optics are far better, cleaning/sharper/crisper and colors are so much better. For me I can see each corner in the HDZero goggles, in the orcq v1 I cannot. The HDzero fov measures the same as other goggles, but the visual experience is so much better and don't have the distractions of the non screen components being seen.

[@rcrotorfreak]

Hi what vtx were u using on this? I want to get the hdzero and a small quad with it. I like this quad because it's small. :)

[@NickBurnsFPV]

It’s an analogue vtx that comes with the quad…linked in the video description

[@matthew04101]

have you tried HQPROP 51MMX3-1.5MM props ? they are great for 1102 motors.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I have, I have tried them on two 2inch quads, 1s and 2s. So far I am not finding that props motor match for me.

[@chrisbee5481]

I find those props need some higher kv motors to make up for the lower pitch.

[@Bisdak.3475]

@@chrisbee5481 this is true, my 1s 1002 21000kv on Gemfan 2015 way faster than using this triblades but one thing fir sure the triblades is way quieter but I prefer the 2015 with its speed.

[@Euwanh85]

I updated using the tx to elrs 3.0. I was and copied the settings over from the previous version dump. I was wondering does your quad have like a robotic feel. It feels like it snaps when using pitch or roll?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

no mine does not. I have been hearing about poorly or slightly odd flying Basslines. I suspect it is due to pid tune needed for different gryos on the flight controllers. When you updated did you use the hex and dump from this page? www.happymodel.cn/index.php/2022/12/31/dump-file-and-firmware-hex-file-for-bassline-2s-fpv-racer-drone/

[@Euwanh85]

@@NickBurnsFPV yes I used the hex on that page for elrs v3, the dump I used was from one I backed up before I updated. I thought that would be fine since it is same beta flight version. Will try dump on thier page thanks

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@Euwanh85 Yea, when ever I have troubles or see red error restoring a cli dump I move away from my backup cli

[@VoidFPV99]

Hey, a friend and me are trying to get a rocket race together but its pretty much impossible in germany. How would you adjust the bassline components to get similar performance? (We atleast got someone who can cut the carbonframe in 2.5mm)

[@NickBurnsFPV]

We need to drop weight. We can do that with less carbon and smaller (1102) motors. I have another video coming out soon with geprc 1102 motors. Might help making motor decisions, as I do hear often the happymodel motors don't do well when crashing on concrete, but they are also lighter than most other 1102 motors.

[@sixtofive]

If you wanted to build a tanky version, I guess you could use ca glue and double up the frame on the bottom for a heavier build out.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Do you clamp them together when you do that?

[@sixtofive]

@@NickBurnsFPV I haven't tried it myself, but I've heard from others who have done this with older twig frames that they wanted to build extra beefy. For the strongest results I would recommend clamping them, but that could be as simple as a couple bolts with nuts holding them together in alignment while the glue cures. I'd bet it would still be a significant increase in strength and rigidity to simply use a metal nut to bolt the two together underneath the stack components without any glue.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@sixtofive Ah yes, that all does make good sense.

[@Outdoorandfpv]

Isn’t this just the Mobula 8 into a bassline frame?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

yes

[@mckaykimball]

hey dude! I got a question for ya.. So i've been out of the hobby for a sec and I'm just hopping back in. I got the HDzero goggles on pre order and my Fractal75 is almost here. My original plan was to build it out with analog exactly how they're shown on their site.. but now I'm wondering if it'd be a better idea to skip buying an analog receiver for my hdzeros, save a little money and just get the hdzero nano lite setup for it. I know it'd be a lil heavier, but maybe only 3-5 grams. I'm super torn in between what way I should go, any advice?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

HDzero is the best option for HDWhoops. Yes the weight is noticeable but much less compared to other HD systems, especially on 1s. I think camera mounting might be the largest barrier, the typical fractal mount is made for the nano v3. There is only 1 canopy that works with the hdzero camera from the moblite7 hdzero. Or we have to use/make a 3d printed canopy.

[@mckaykimball]

@@NickBurnsFPV ah okay I got you. I think I might just go with the lightest/analog setup for now and eventually get a hdzero whoop setup. I think the hdzero stuff is probably gonna get a lot smaller and better within the next year anyways. Thank you for the reply!

[@mckaykimball]

@@NickBurnsFPV Fractal just added the option under when you order "HDZero Mounting Hardware." Can you not mount the HDzero camera the same way on the Fractal 75?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@mckaykimball he did mention he was working on something, but didn't want to speak to that. If he designed a new mount that will fit the camera yes we can mount it in the same place, its just a bigger camera than the nano v3 the analog version is designed around.

[@mckaykimball]

@@NickBurnsFPV okay got ya! I just reached out to him to see how he's mounted his hdzero camera, since we know how we'd mount the boards now. I'll let ya know what he says!

[@brianlangford7278]

1103 has been my favorite on 2s,but I usually lean towards a quad,of which hx 100 still my favorite, 2s on bi prop ,3s on tri

[@NickBurnsFPV]

What size of props?

[@brianlangford7278]

@@NickBurnsFPV 65mm bi prop,2in 3 blade which the 'ol hq hard to beat

[@brianlangford7278]

@@NickBurnsFPV without looking believe they are the 8000 kv and 12 amp hx ,you can just hammer 2s bi prop with that 12 amp

[@imothy]

so its kinda like a larvaX with ELRS minus the SD_DVR

[@NickBurnsFPV]

a bit, wasn't the larva x a 3s quad?

[@TheBattery00]

Long screws? Hd zero 🤔? Wink wink. 😉 love your review! Keep up the great work!

[@TheBattery00]

I wanged it. 😂😂

[@NickBurnsFPV]

yea, hdzero, walksnail maybe even vista/link but I think happymodel has only sold one model with a vista/link.

[@Spideystrat]

Nick do the HD zero goggles record in 60 FPS Analogue ?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Yes, with a deinterlacer and higher bit rate. Makes the dvr playback smooth and higher quality.

[@Spideystrat]

@@NickBurnsFPV Sweet. Thanks. Awaiting mine :]

[@chopwhoopz]

That is a reasonable price, do you use nylon screws for your propellers

[@NickBurnsFPV]

No metal/steel screws for props.

[@chopwhoopz]

@@NickBurnsFPV thanks I'll see if I can set of those. The HM 1102 are really bad quality 1 crash 1 shaft.

[@chrisbee5481]

Nylon or aluminium prop screws work well for me. Just dont overthighten and be easy on the screw head. Dont re use the either

[@chopwhoopz]

@@chrisbee5481 will nylon screws support a crash? I am thinking to use them no shaft only screws.

[@chrisbee5481]

@@chopwhoopz I've used nylon screws on 1204 8000kv motors on 2S 3" builds. Havent broken them so far. If they do break, you can easily drill them out carefully starting with 1mm. But I crash out in the field and no concrete bandos. If you really want light weight and durability, get titanium 8mm m2 screws from Ali... also aluminium are good, but get the fat cylindric screw head

[@porshacarroll9600]

Hey Nick do u know if this happymodel X12 board has an inverted pad for sbus?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Not off the top of my head.

[@porshacarroll9600]

@@NickBurnsFPV I found it it's ir1

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@porshacarroll9600 ah I see your FB message now to. I didn't link this account and your FB account 🤣

[@porshacarroll9600]

🤣🤣

[@DroneOn]

"Make sure your nuts don't come up" Yeah. That happens. Great video.

[@doodgeslagenmug]

I assume so but this is slower than the flywoo nano 2s?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The outright speed is likely very very similar, the difference in my experience is agility. With the same prop size and more weight the bassline will be less responsive and thus feel less agile

[@doodgeslagenmug]

@@NickBurnsFPV thanks a lot for your response :) in that case i’ll get the flywoo.

[@Crusader4633]

I've got one of these on the way from Pyrodrone :)

[@cold-frontin_penguin7902]

Yezzz! Been waiting for this review

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I am a bit slow getting all the flights in before the video.

[@cold-frontin_penguin7902]

@@NickBurnsFPV well, just know your reviews are much appreciated so detailed and easy to listen to. You got me into this hobby btw. Keep the vids coming!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@cold-frontin_penguin7902 Thank you. Positive feedback does feel good. Thank you

[@Maxim_Nub]

thanks on those comparisons Nick, and if you are going to somehow with any of manufactures release this "inspired" tks rocket (aka Nick's blue rocket) im gonna get it for sure haha

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I have stayed away from that close of partnership. Something about it makes me uneasy. I suspect its that I can't insure everyone would have a good experience with a "inspired by" quad.

[@Maxim_Nub]

@@NickBurnsFPV yeah understandable, but to be honest with you the blue jay actually looks like your a lot haha

[@botchitong]

woooot finally.. i thought you'll never get to review this hahaha.. great job..

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Yea, I am slower than some. I spend days or even weeks flying them before I get to the video recording stage.

[@botchitong]

i first saw this on nathan's channel and he attached a split cam hd to it... then i began to wait for your review because nathan's flights are too impossible for the casual flyer... your flights are more relatable for somebody like me... Kudos!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@botchitong I need to check Nathan out, I haven't seen any of his vids in awhile. I think there were some health issues, I do hope he is feeling better.

[@BallPingFpv]

The frame reminds me of the BQE pickpocket 2 inch.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I have heard this a few times in the comments. I have had a BQE frame, but its been a minute. I hear they are very durable.

[@BallPingFpv]

@@NickBurnsFPV yes they are I have 5 of them I have 2 BQE 3AF build's and a BQE 2 inch pickpocket and a 3 inch BQE pickpocket and a BQE 5 AFX I love them all for have heard a roomer that BQE was going out of business I hope not BQE has a few more frames that I want to build out like the 3 inch rip sqeek.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@BallPingFpv It is very difficult to maintain a frame business in the fpv market. Hopefully they can find a way forward.

[@BallPingFpv]

@@NickBurnsFPV I hope so that would be awesome!! I hope you and yours had a great holiday and a happy new year! I can't wait to see what you come up with on the next one!! Take care!

[@brianfreland9065]

Newbeedrone "flow" 1102 10,000kv motors are 46 bucks a set and have connector plugs. Just to let ya guys know

[@modquad18]

They should honestly ditch those worthless prop removers. And is this the same AIO that’s in the Mob7 1s? Would love to 2s that one as it’s sooo slow on 1s.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

yea the prop remover doesn't work nearly as well as fingers. The AIO is the x12 which I do believe is the same in the mob7 1s.

[@kurtzFPV]

Happymodel's website says the aio is 1s only on the mobula 7 page, but if you look up the same x12 aio alone on their site, it shows all versions as 1-2s.

[@modquad18]

@@kurtzFPV That’s what I thought I saw too when I got the M7 1s (1s only). NB, you wanna be the Guinea pig and test this for us 🫣

[@kurtzFPV]

@@modquad18 I'm pretty sure I have the pnp version of the board, or at least it has the same target in betaflight, which I run on 2s all the time, but with 0802 16,000kv. I think the old school mobula 7 had 16000kv as well. Since the newer M7 has 20,000kv motors, that might be why the 1s only rating and not the board itself.

[@ragndroneman]

@@NickBurnsFPV same in the crux3 now too

[@ribletfpv619]

Are you sure they don't mean bassline, like a low register instrument melody??

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I am not sure. They were using the fish reference for so long, I could be wrong for sure.

[@ribletfpv619]

@@NickBurnsFPV hmmm 🤔

[@aurozappa305]

The neighbours called the police on me tonight they were complaining about the music and it was too much Bass

[@colddash5598]

Has a quad ended up in the pool yet?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

One did, back this summer. The speedybee flex20 I believe it was called. frsky failsafe directly into the water. Killed my naked GP6 and the quad.

[@tatdj47Buckfpv]

Always got the info 👌 if I won't to know i watch one of your videos chances are you have a video on it 👍thanks

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Thank you. Appreciate it :)

[@allam.16]

Oh man I’m mad, I wish I knew about this drone before I bought the Geprc smart16

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Isn't the smart16 nearly 1.5yrs old?

[@MrRipperfpv]

As a Bass player i'm offended by your comment🤣 nice little quad tho, might be a good replacement for my savagebee

[@NickBurnsFPV]

boy I am getting a once over on the naming. :) I might have to issue a retraction

[@MrRipperfpv]

@@NickBurnsFPV 🤣 just kidding dude I actually had no idea HM name their stuff after fish!

[@nonvertical9639]

This looks like the crux 3 sort of but a bit smaller

[@NickBurnsFPV]

sure, many similar parts from the same company.

[@leonchiu1981]

So sad I guess this replaced position of LarvaX, I still love it so much wish they will upgrade larvax someday.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

the larva x is very popular to this day.

[@pacificnorthwestpilots6050]

The screws and canopy look like they would be for a naked vista.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

yup, me thinks same/similar.

[@matejbludsky8410]

Very similar to crux3 but the cube frame kind of sucks i don't like it .. also the motor kV is unfortunate .. the 6400 is a sweet spot for 2S for me .. 5-6min of pretty fast flights .. racing 70-80mph gets 3min easy absolute killer in efficiency !

[@NickBurnsFPV]

70-80mph on 2inch 2s and 6400kv?

[@matejbludsky8410]

@@NickBurnsFPV yup, obviously no gps to confirm but that's how fast it look to me both line of sight and fpv .. 450mah 2s

[@matejbludsky8410]

@@NickBurnsFPV also this is 3inch

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@matejbludsky8410 Interesting, that isn't that far off of the fastest 3inchers I have seen in the 105-115mph, but those were on 4s.

[@Catboy-hr2qp]

Damn that thing is heavy, my custom rocket race weighs 25g dry weight, no wonder it looks so lethargic in the video

[@chopwhoopz]

If you fly Dji why you never made a video of it?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I fly dji. If they have a dji version I hope to fly that version as well. And make a video too

[@chopwhoopz]

@@NickBurnsFPV what DJI quad do you fly? I wish for Analog HD DVR version of the BassLine.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@chopwhoopz I fly this one from time to time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZrYeGmtgtdpfpY I did replace the camera with a newer nano camera

[@406fpv9]

Honestly the vtx or the camera are pretty terrible. Or it's just because I'm so use to hd now.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Its pretty on par for micro analog. Flying hd regularly does shock the eyes when we are presented with micro analog.

[@wmcewa01]

I never knew the mobula was a fish!

[@kurtzFPV]

Very similar to a manta ray. I think they are also called devil rays.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I think I did ask happymodel about the mobula name after a number of questions about it.

[@MrCrowleyandhisdrone]

Wicked cool 🙂

[@MrCrowleyandhisdrone]

I love you ripping. Thanks for what you do

[@KOrnhOliO1]

GepRC still makes 1102 motors.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

oh dang that is right. Now that you write it. I have a set I tested, they added weight that brought them up to 1103 weight. :(

[@KOrnhOliO1]

@@NickBurnsFPV Hmmm, that's weird, because their 0802 motors I purchased are only 2.0 grams with the wire and connector. Lowest other 0802 I've ever seen was 1.9g, and who knows if Happymodel included the wire and plug.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@KOrnhOliO1 At one time I was writing down all the motors and their weights. For some reason I never started tracking whoop motors. It does vary if they come up to 1103 weight or not, depends what 1103 we are comparing. I could also not be remembering the correct motor.

[@sixtofive]

I think BetaFPV makes an 1102 22000 kv for their 1s 75mm line. Edit: Looks like 18000 & 22000 kv available. Could run those with a throttle limit I suppose.

[@dcabecao9357]

Bad idea, 1102 motors already struggle with 2" props, the lower torque on the higher kv motors means they will struggle even more.

[@sixtofive]

@@dcabecao9357 I'd prefer 1103 myself