Batman (1989) is a Bad BATMAN Movie

Batman 1989 is a Bad Batman Movie. Watch the Batman Video Essay before you dislike, hopefully it's at least entertaining and informative. I love Michael Keaton Batman, and Jack Nicholson Joker, but those are both not accurate representations of the Batman and Joker characters. This is a Batman Video Essay, but I did not put Video Essay in the title, are you proud of me Dad? This is the follow up video essay to Spider-Man: Homecoming is a Bad SPIDER-MAN movie. Tim Burton really did add a lot to the Batman mythos, but HiTop Films personally thinks that Tim Burton may not understand Batman. If you read this far did you get this whole description is a ploy for the KZbin algorithm to find our Batman Video Essay? Please considering supporting HiTop Films by
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COUPLE OF THINGS: I can't believe I have to clarify this, yet again. My OPINION is that Batman '89 is a bad BATMAN movie. Now that doesn't mean it is a bad movie, in fact it's a lot of fun and looks incredible, as I said countless times in the video. What being a bad Batman movie means to me, is that the film did not accurately portray the character of Bruce Wayne and what makes him tick. That is also just my OPINION, feel free to disagree, but maybe watch the video before you leave a lengthy comment telling me how wrong I am. To those of you who enjoyed the video and are sharing it, commenting, liking and donating to the Patreon, I cherish you guys, and I thank you endlessly for the support. These videos take a lot of time and a lot of effort, but you guys really do make it worth it.

[@bakingmaster1121]

HiTop Films people suck what can i say

[@JhonJanorNapier]

I'm curious. In your opinion, what makes Bruce Wayne tick?

[@dightonazpeitia4350]

Oh stop the crying. People are WELL AWARE that you are not saying it’s a bad movie but some of your FACTS are just WRONG. It has nothing to do with how you are trying to make these neat distinctions. Maybe you should try actually READING.

[@rivejames]

It is a bad movie, all four of them before the nolan trilogy thats the truth

[@alexsapsarras4812]

JagsFan '95 care to back up where he is "WRONG"? Cause I cant find Anything wrong with his view on the film beside the claim on his training. I think the film shows you all those suits of armor from different eras and cultures as a hint to imply his training in martial arts.

[@jackbruno953]

Is it a faithful Batman movie: No Is it still a good movie: Yes

[@bobblueford]

No single Batman movie can be faithful! Every era had a different BM/Bruce Wayne in the comics. Killer, not killer. Friendly, not friendly. Womanizer, not womanizer. But you're right it is a good movie, and I say a good BM movie.

[@quietdemon8138]

Bob Blueford the fundamental core of Bruce Wayne is that he doesn’t kill and it’s why I hate Batfleck so much (not I repeat Ben he’s a fantastic actor he is awesome and was dealt a shitty deal with this interpretation of Batman) I mean look at practically every other version has done to villains which is not kill them, Ra’s al Ghul died of his own hands because of the train and Two face died because he let go of Batman while Bruce saved Gordon’s son, the fact that people are fine with him killing people is so disappointing and shows that they don’t really care or know about the character

[@bobblueford]

@@quietdemon8138 The character has been through many changes in the comics through his 70 years, and yes, he has killed in the comics. It all depends on what generation you're from. In some comic book versions he kills, in others he doesn't kill. That's what I meant when I said that no single movie can be truly faithful. Many people from a different generation will tell you that Batman definitely did kill, they read it in the comics growing up.

[@FromMic]

From the points raised in the video I can't even agree with the second statement.

[@themadtitan7603]

That's basically what he's saying

[@gamer_god7312]

I just realized where my lego batman nostalgia came from

[@thelolbuster]

dood them lego batman games the best lego games ever

[@gamer_god7312]

thelolbuster Lego Batman 1 is the best, Lego Batman 2 is fine with a couple of justice league characters, but Since Lego Batman 3, it should’ve been named Lego Justice League tbh

[@tneglcd4141]

Holy shit me too

[@seanthegoat7919]

Yo me too! god i miss that game

[@gregorymirabella1423]

i had the ds version along with star wars the complete saga and harry potter years 1-4, good shit.

[@itsyourboy7150]

I think this is why I like returns better. Bruce sees himself in Selina and at the end he chooses not to kill penguin or max. He sees her vengeance and realizes how he’s wrong about killing

[@sangokus6478]

True, if a sequel were made, I really think that he shouldn't kill in it.

[@chriscage669]

@@sangokus6478 and Schumacher continued the story telling the story whether he wants to be Batman anymore. A fight inside him. Saying that he did kill and people want him to retire because he killed sick people

[@sangokus6478]

@@chriscage669 In Batman forever. But I like to see the Burton's Batman as an another Batman with an another path after Batman Retuns (even if it's not the factual case). I still want to see the Schumacher Cut of Batman Forever of course.

[@chriscage669]

@@sangokus6478 yeah! Me too! I heard it’s a lot more darker and plus it has additional 45 minute scenes that were removed.

[@sangokus6478]

@@chriscage669 There are several images that have leaked like Bruce Wayne facing a giant bat approaching to him in a dark space. It seems beautiful.

[@mr.jwashere7549]

“Thats why its called Film Making you know what i mean” This should become an iconic meme

[@Red_1911]

WB: I swear to god we will do Batman justice again Fans: *SWEAR TO ME!!!*

[@nabongobong9155]

😂😂😂😂

[@hi.923]

SSStevenWolf watching Sssniperwolf much?

[@bustedchicken9821]

I SWEAR

[@crismonlightning7542]

Batman fans: Tell all your friends about us. DC&Marvel Fans: What are you?! Batman Fans: We are Batman.

[@leonardobraynen1524]

Actually To Christopher Nolan

[@squishyty918]

“Batman has only had one theme.” Me:..... Nananananananananananana Batmannnn

[@viideogaame1840]

And they say you can’t hear words

[@shisui6913]

Viideo Gaame 😂

[@VickStarkiller]

No

[@jaredballoonboy7944]

Eeeewww

[@VickStarkiller]

Maximum Overload too soon

[@DanielValentin0508]

Tim Burton said The Killing Joke was the first comic he loved, that was published in 1988, and production of Batman 89 probably stated some time in 1988 or 1987. So either he super recently became became a Batman fan or he first loved a comic as he was making the film. Either way he wasn’t a Batman comic fan before he wanted to make the movie

[@azcreative5514]

Or he decided to direct batman because he read the killing joke and loved it?

[@hubertop1247]

But is there an single inspiration in this movie from The Killing Joke?

[@DanielValentin0508]

@@azcreative5514 there is no killing joke reference or anything in the movie, not in tone or anything. He probably saw Batman 1966 or something and said “I can turn that into something awesome” which isn’t a bad motive but that isn’t a great reason for wanting to make a Batman film that would be compared to each subsequent sequel and superhero movie and reintroduces the character into a modern audience

[@MiguelMedV]

@@azcreative5514 _"The Killing Joke"_ came out in 1988, Tim Burton's movie came out in 1989, it didn't existed when he started making the movie. Read, man, read...

[@azcreative5514]

@@MiguelMedV okay well maybe he read it during the production of the film?

[@TFD-sn5nt]

Bob Kane didn’t come up with Batman and he is a thief for stealing Finger work

[@rileighdettling-burki7322]

@Brandon Brooks so bill finger did most of the work lol

[@joeberger3441]

@@rileighdettling-burki7322 you could definitely say that, but Bob Kane still gets credit for coming up with the original concept in the first place. Really, both names should be mentioned when referring to who created Batman.

[@Free_Palestine_419]

Doesn't matter both Bill Finger and Bob Kane still had Batman use a gun and kill people in the first two years.

[@thenoirknight5729]

True

[@twangyeh]

BOB FINGER!!!

[@jacotromp1065]

That was NOT the 1989 Batman coffee cup, that was the 1992 Batman Returns coffee cup.

[@portiz6283]

Oh for God's sake dude is it relevant? No IT'S NOT!

[@nightmarebeast6265]

@@portiz6283 yeah i mean both directed by the same director though, same actor and it's franchise

[@portiz6283]

@@nightmarebeast6265 I know Mate it's just that the difference is irrelevant! It's the Same Symbol!

[@nightmarebeast6265]

@@portiz6283 yeah, basically that's what I'm saying.

[@BWayne-si9ev]

Jaco Tromp Noticed the same thing

[@jamielewis3833]

When I saw this movie in 1989 people said it should have been called The Joker.......

[@kradanbandicootovich6444]

Wait 30 years

[@GABRIELA-ACEVEDO.]

Nicholson name was first on the credits

[@liamearly4883]

@@GABRIELA-ACEVEDO. that and after rewatching burton's batman last night nox, Vicky vale, and the joker get way more focus than batman

[@Vesohag]

I thought about that after watching TDK.

[@grantorino2325]

Bob, gun!

[@Amber_xo_133]

Jack Nicholson said of his role, "The thing I like about the Joker is that his sense of humor is completely tasteless." He later said The Joker was one of his favorite roles he played. Michael Keaton came up with the famous "I'm Batman" line. The line in the script was "I am the night". This movie was released the year of the character's 50th anniversary. Jack Nicholson admitted in an interview that he was an enormous comic book fan in the era where Batman first appeared, and that the Joker was his favorite character from the comics. Michelle Pfeiffer, who was dating Michael Keaton at that time, was asked to audition for Vicki Vale, but Keaton was against it, saying it would be awkward. Pfeiffer would later be cast as Selina Kyle/Catwoman in Batman Returns (1992) alongside with Keaton. First Batman adaptation to depict the Joker's origin story. It remained the only film to do this until Batman: The Killing Joke (2016), whose source material was a big inspiration in the making of this movie The first Batman movie to win an Academy Award (for Best Art Direction-Set Decoration). It was followed by The Dark Knight (2008) with two wins.

[@djangosusamogus742]

I only have one question. Does the Joker need an origin story? The answer is no. What does a backstory do? It makes the character more relatable, sympathetic or at least we understand where he comes from. The Joker is a character you shouldn’t get. He is pure evil and that’s the fun part about him. A backstory is unnecessary and takes away the mysterious part. The killing joke didn’t show a true backstory. The origin we see is just the Joker’s imagination. He wants to show Batman that the sanest man alive could become something like him. Batman proves Joker wrong at the end of the comic. So please, just don’t care about the Joker’s origin.

[@bruceflashback3877]

I get tired of no character development as a reason why a movie is bad, or a bad aspect of a movie. Sometimes, and Batman 89 is one of those times, we only need to see the story without the "we need to see the character development " angle.

[@devin7764]

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[@johnp.smithasimpleman7281]

Yup

[@Wisp616]

Yup that just happened to me

[@j06films33]

Me to

[@beqnz372]

It scared the shit out of me

[@Nindroidgamer110]

*laughs in Vanced*

[@kamdan2011]

5:38 I like how this Batman is very stoic and remains calm in the most extreme circumstances. He speaks only when necessary and he truly comes across as someone who is hesitant to let someone into his life, because he might lose them like when his parents were murdered.

[@dashman8499]

Kamdan 4:34

[@jadenbryant9283]

Dash Man wasn’t he was trying to fool the joker

[@jadenbryant9283]

Dash Man and also he wasn’t Batman in that scene he was Bruce Wayne and was likely trying to trick him probably

[@kamdan2011]

Dash Man, that’s the one time he cuts loose of his usual demeanor. A person like The Joker would get on your nerves.

[@jadenbryant9283]

Kamdan agreeed it’s the fucking joker

[@jongon0848]

I'm really glad u acknowledged Sam Hamm's script wasn't the issue. A lot of screenwriters get hate for shit they had no control over and it's not really fair when there's so many variables that effect their initial story

[@FilmInsanity]

You have to admit. For a movie with so much studio interference, the movie still pulls off being a high quality film.

[@simransaini99]

Tim burton to the rescue.

[@User-ge7ni]

@@simransaini99ew

[@BrendanJSmith]

Studio interference back then was NOTHING compared to studio interference nowadays.

[@curtiswashington8536]

I like that Keaton's batman didn't have throat cancer.

[@jongon0848]

Me too & that he didn't yell every fucking 2 seconds at the top of his lungs.

[@jongon0848]

@@yuunaju6838 I'm pretty sure he's referring to Christian Bale's Batman voice

[@curtiswashington8536]

@@yuunaju6838 specifically referring to the YT parodies of the nolan trilogy kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWPcp2uXiZWIfMU

[@michaell6807]

Augh...i hated Bens voice the most. It was like a constipated fat guy trying to sqaut one on the toilet.

[@colbybrasher9300]

It was explained that he used a voice changer in order to keep people from recognizing him. Bruce Wayne is a very well known figure, and someone who's met him could easily identify him by his voice alone.

[@soadfan1016]

Matt Reaves' "The Batman" I feel is going to be incredible!

[@ionfingkno]

Lets hope it will be i have faith

[@stankynation8386]

@@ionfingkno It will don’t worry 😈

[@yashnayak8800]

@@stankynation8386 how

[@stankynation8386]

@@yashnayak8800 u don’t read Batman comics or never watched Robert Pattinsons movies if ur still doubting him

[@jurassicclassic6543]

@John Thompson what gives you that impression

[@Protestant_Paladin440]

The thing I like about Batman '89 is that we start off with no knowledge, all we know is the legend of the Bat. As the movie progresses, we learn more about our protagonist. It's good for people who've never heard of Batman before, and excellent for reintroducing Batman to the general public, redefining him, as we credit this movie for doing. I would've preferred if they had done that with the Joker as well, but you can't have your cake and eat it too I guess.

[@aidan9915]

To be honest this is my favorite Batman film. I’m not a giant Cbm movie but I absolutely love the two Burton Batman movies. And I find Batman in this one so fascinating because of how different he is. He’s one of the only Batman’s who’s so fucking crazy that I actually believe he’ll dress as Batman.

[@Me-wx1mt]

same

[@Me-wx1mt]

the dark knight films are good, but I feel like they're too dark.

[@sircartier55]

@@Me-wx1mt it’s Batman it’s legit all dark and broodiness 💀💀💀💀

[@Me-wx1mt]

@@sircartier55 cool, it’s my opinion. They’re absolutely good films. I just don’t have fun watching them. Joker is my favorite character in those movies. The Tim burton movies are dark but they have campy vibes instead of just completely realistic characters.

[@Me-wx1mt]

@Dire Goth did you ever see any of the original comics? Batman isn’t supposed to be an edgy superhero. He wants to scare criminals but he’s not evil.

[@manofbeard]

I loved this movie and always will. Keaton did a fantastic job.

[@davidlopes8519]

hes the best batman on live action.

[@PalaceofEternia]

I want to see a trilogy today of Tim Burton with Michael Keaton and maybe to bring us a really good movie with the Riddle or with the scarecrow

[@natethegreat7821]

You’re 100% accurate on this analysis. It’s interesting that a film that’s not about Batman but merely his aesthetics has been so pivotal in his public perception today.

[@kevinfromsales9445]

Fans were more blown away by finally getting a "mature" Batman movie after the 60's campiness but they forgot that the movie is not even about Batman but more about Joker who also doesn't have any genuine motifs for anything that he does. And it's a painfully dull movie at that.

[@arizonaFIREent]

No this clown is 100% wrong... Just another crybaby millennial that whines about everything

[@ricardocantoral7672]

I'd argue that it's a film about Gotham City and the two people who are driven mad as a result of urban living.

[@MiguelMedV]

@@arizonaFIREent Can you specify why do you think he's wrong? 'Cause last time I checked, Batman wasn't a psychotic killer who does this because "no one else can" (No offense to Michael Keaton who did a brilliant performance, not his fault)...

[@Liofa73]

No, this is a great movie, it has all the comedy of the comics and the 60s show with added darkness.

[@ybbettersadly]

I love the way the character of Batman uses fear as a tool against his enemies, something that was never used in TV or Movies prior to Batman 89.

[@PitaGyro161]

Batman says fear is a tool in the new trailer lol

[@coopercostikyan1121]

New movie displays that fantastically

[@ybbettersadly]

@@PitaGyro161 I just realised that looking back on this -

[@mr.nonamefalloffchair6443]

Personally for me, I like the quirks of Bruce's character in this movie. He is lonely and sad but he puts up a good show and acts sociable when it is needed but you can always tell that he is not fully there. He only opens up when he trusts people like how he trusted Vickie which led to him revealing how lonely his life is by admitting that he has never been in the dining room before. He is not perfect and he is deeply hurt which I feel is the underlying cause of becoming batman that not even he realizes.

[@michaell6807]

Best comment on here. I still chuckle when he looks across the dining table thats 28 feet across and yells "can you pass the pepper?"

[@drlee2]

This is what I like about Keaton's take on Bruce Wayne. Yeah, he puts up a show of being sociable, but he does it in a way that everyone does, not for the sake of hiding his secret identity. He's just like anyone who has secrets and wants to keep their personal life private. No one would remotely believe that Keaton's Bruce Wayne is a masked avenger. They simply think of him as a reclusive billionaire.

[@user-sp2jg9rx8r]

I like his Bruce Wayne more. Not many people would believe a kind-hearted man would be Batman. =)

[@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg]

There is no Bruce Wayne - that's actually the point of Burton's Batman - Wayne is the mask.

[@RadinV1]

Batman only has one theme: *Mask of the phantasm's theme comes to mind.*

[@timmartian9973]

HANS ZIMMER AND JAMES NEWTON HOWARD

[@RadinV1]

@@timmartian9973 not as good in my opinion.

[@timmartian9973]

I have only watched that movie once, i loved it but i do not remember the music

[@RadinV1]

@@timmartian9973 Check it out. It captures batman's character perfectly.

[@timmartian9973]

@@RadinV1 simply underrated thank you for sharing I just put all the animated batman films on my Netflix que yesterday lol

[@joeyjo-joshabadu9636]

Tim Burton admitted that he was never a big comic book fan, and thats probably a big reason why the movie remains so memorable. The maker of this video says "there is absolutely nothing human about this Batman" but to me thats a big part of what makes Batman Batman. Bruce is so traumatized by the murder of his parents, he creates this powerful invulnerable character with this unshakeable concept of "justice" tonshield himself from reality. He's a grown man in tights(or body armour) living in a fantasy world. In Jungian terms Batman represents the shadow "archetype", and represents how Bruce's trauma prevents him from being whole as a person. Burton and Keaton absolutely nailed this aspect of the character.

[@hawksfan8870]

Honestly, I still love Batman 1989 just as much after watching this video! Even though he kills a couple of bad guys in the movie including the Joker and breaks his one rule. You have to remember that Tim Burton made this movie and he did not read any of the Batman comics. Also this movie is still a great Batman movie in my opinion because Michael Keaton perfected the performance as Batman and Jack Nicholson perfected the performance as the joker. And this dark atmosphere in the movie truly sets the tone for Batman as well as Danny Elfman’s masterpiece of a Batman theme in this movie as well! Very enjoyable movie to watch and one of the best Batman movies I’ve ever seen!

[@solar-monk]

100%

[@TooSweet353]

I think what frustrates me the most, is that the number of times, Joker escapes Arkham Asylum and all. With the Gotham PD and knowing Batman isn't going to kill him, they don't put on extra security, they don't kill him, they don't do anything to make sure he escapes, they act like everything is normal, then anyone who doesn't understand the moral conflict of Bruce not being able to kill decides to blame him even though almost everytime Joker breaks out and starts a mad rampage, only Batman can put a stop to it. It's very infuriating. Joker should really only appear at most 2 times, in every comic run, Joker appearing should be treated like a special event, only to be reused in the most dire of circumstances.

[@One.Zero.One101]

As a non-comic book reader, I never understood all these hysteria about Batman killing people. All superheroes kill bad guys, and henchmen usually don't tally on the body count. It's like in video games where my character doesn't want to kill the final boss, and my thought was *"I've probably killed 100,000 henchmen in 60 hours of play time".*

[@OwenLikesComics]

I'm a fan of Batman '89 (partly because it's the most ridiculously 1980's a Batman movie could ever be), but it's hard to disagree with any of your points here. While the film gets a lot of the core character traits wrong, it did get a foot in the door and prove that a serious take on Batman could work live-action. Great video, you really nailed it!

[@quatjohn4375]

I think what he's missing though is it's point though. Batman is supposed to be this mystery and strike fear in the hearts of his villains. General street thugs fear him which is something I really love about that series. He was a joke in the later 90's movies and his villains didn't seem to fear him at all in the Nolan films

[@wawuglio]

His points were actually silly. "Batman's origin comes in the third act." Who cares? This wasn't an origin story, it was a story about a "Giant Bat" terrorizing Gotham's underworld. "Batman says 'I'll kill you' to the Joker." Seriously, you're going to make an emotional outburst a negative to the movie? Did you miss the part where Batman actually tried to save the Joker from falling off the clocktower? "the Joker's motivation." You watched the movie 200 times and it never occurred to you that the Joker went insane after falling into the vat? He wasn't a narcissitic artist, he was an impulsive psychotic killer. "Marketing" Not even worth responding to.

[@mrfrench821]

@@wawuglio 1000% agree with ALL of your points. But in his defense, he's 19 Lol!... I think that makes him deserving of a break lol

[@SeasideDetective2]

Of course it's going to be "the most ridiculously 1980's a Batman movie could ever be" when it's the only one!

[@stabarnak9841]

Also the absolute BEST Gotham City is from the 1989 film.

[@trevorvialpando5204]

Technically frank Miller gave spark to the whole "batman is dark and is a great fit for a dark gotham" But burton also helped pave the way too as well I guess

[@zeppyprimo1013]

I do agree with you but I also think that Dennis O’Neil and Frank Miller were the first people to flesh him out in a more serious and dark environment

[@trevorvialpando5204]

@@zeppyprimo1013 oh yeah your certainly right. Either way, thank heavens they did.

[@johnnylightning203]

@@trevorvialpando5204 No. It was Dennis O'Neil and Neal Adams back in the early 1970s that made Batman dark again. Miller didn't come till years later. This is why you guys know shit...because everything that happened before you were born means SHIT to you.

[@eldritchpumpkinghost2968]

johnny lightning exactly, Miller’s work is an elseworld and should have zero impact on the main Batman mythos. Batman is not dark and edgy. He only exists in the darkness but pushes people to see the light. He is a symbol of hope not the fucking Punisher.

[@felipea1399]

​ it did actually: Batman wasnt a good sellign title at that time even if he still was a fan favourite and Miller brought a lot of new comic readers. The deciption of Gotham and Batman that Miller used made the noir style stories that O´Neil impulsed be even more dark

[@ga3530]

You’re an old jaded man at 20... I’m 60 that’s adorable

[@nbarealtalker]

Even though Burton made the Joker the killer of Batman’s parents, there’s an interesting fan theory that Batman is just projecting it onto the Joker because the only direct connection is “….dance with the devil in the pale moonlight.” I like Batman 89 because you can tell Keaton’s Bruce Wayne is a mask and that he’s psychotically in love with being Batman.

[@rightfulfuture4]

Just imagine a world where bat-man stayed a detective who didn't show his face. I like all of bat-man, but having him as a noir do good detective with money and gadgets is cool. Bob created a rough bat-man, Bill fleshed out the character.

[@johnnylightning203]

Yep! Sad thing is, since this "New 52" shit came along, all he is now is another Iron Man. Armor on armor on armor on even more armor. WTF?

[@Regalieth9143]

johnny lightning Because how the fuck is he gonna go up the big dogs? Martial arts? No. If he has the resources and money then of course he’d make new armor the fuck

[@Free_Palestine_419]

@@Regalieth9143 That turns Batman into a Lex Luthor wearing a funny hat dipshit! Only Lex Luthor should wear armor! Let Batman wear his Bat costume and bullet proof vest!

[@bullymaguire513]

Only spider-man needs the hypen, batman doesn't need it

[@MegaGeNeRaLEE]

Finally someone mentioned this Batman’s murder spree. I was so sick of people hating on Batfleck because his Batman killed people after being broken down after 20 years of fighting crime, but in the same breath would praise Batman (89) for being perfect. When this version of Batman killed a lot of people, like a lot, just because. His Batman wasn’t hardened and cold after being a veteran crime fighter he just didn’t care, and it bothered me.

[@garretnewman6741]

@Cyberdemon Mike thats a bit harsh

[@jeremiahvaleska8464]

GARRET NEWMAN but it’s true.

[@bobblueford]

You want a dark Batman, you get one, and then complain about it?

[@bobblueford]

@Cyberdemon Mike I agree that Snyder's movies suck, but not this movie

[@bobblueford]

@Cyberdemon Mike Don't forget, this movie came out in a time when the "good guys" were killing lots of bad guys without remorse, all Stallone and Schwarzenegger movies. This Batman was not really edgy by 80s standards.

[@zackgraves5848]

I like how Batman in the 1989 film is so mysterious and intimidating without screaming like an animal.

[@ImperialRadioYT]

and Bruce is an awkward little weenie who can't quit pouting long enough to do a scene with-out looking confused amazing

[@HolyRomanEmperor90]

0:47: Sorry, but I have to disagree with you there. It’s inaccurate to say that all of that Batman media wouldn’t exist without the 1989 film. The Batman comics had been getting darker and more mature since the 1970s and similarly, I think Batman films and TV shows would have naturally progressed to being darker and more mature as well. The 1989 film clearly takes inspiration from the original Batman comics from 1939 and the 1940s as well as the darker comics from the 1970s and 80s. By the time the movie came out, comics like The Dark Knight Returns, Year One, The Killing Joke and A Death in the Family had been released. Heck, when it was first announced that Michael Keaton was going to play Batman, fans were outraged because he was considered to be more of a comedic actor at the time due to his role in Beetlejuice, so Batman was clearly not still considered to be goofy at that time. Also, I don’t think Christopher Nolan’s films were at all inspired by the 1989 film. They’re heavily influenced by modern Batman comics like Year One and The Long Halloween. If you were to somehow erase the 1989 film from existence, all of the Batman media that followed it would still exist, it just may be slightly different. The notion that you would erase it in its entirety is incorrect.

[@Blazntrax81]

Keaton played Batman with such charisma. His presence was powerful. Jack as the Joker is fuckin iconic bro. He was larger than life on screen.

[@dyltack5349]

Ledger was better

[@gi4nni_goodlife794]

Cannon fuck ledger he was a shit joker, he wasn’t even scary or intimidating

[@Grandmaster_Dragonborn]

@@gi4nni_goodlife794 Then you clearly watched the 1966 Batman series and not The Dark Knight.

[@gi4nni_goodlife794]

Grandmaster Dragonborn 😂ok that was funny

[@Grandmaster_Dragonborn]

@@gi4nni_goodlife794 Really? Wow, I have got better :)

[@Nic_03_21]

Everyone: Batman 89 is the best Batman movie ever!! Your opinion: Wait till they get a load of me.

[@cachorrocomsilenciador8217]

In my opnion batman year one is the best Batman movie

[@mrx-od3ji]

@@cachorrocomsilenciador8217 batman 1989 is the best batman movie ever.

[@spider-manunknown9193]

For me it’s the dark knight

[@wilkinscoffee8979]

Batman 1989 is my favorite

[@mrx-od3ji]

@@wilkinscoffee8979 1989 batman was the first batman movie I watched as a kid and its still the best one the Robert Paterson batman will be trash and I wont watch it.

[@leeeverett7388]

“You have until this ad is over” *ad actually plays * Me: “oh wow”

[@reflectionist]

I get that Batman Returns was the controversial one, but did nobody stop to think that Vicki Vale blew the Joker to distract him long enough for Batman to hit him?

[@BboyDJFLIP]

For me, it’s a nostalgic ride with the two films that Burton made. It was truly my first introduction to Batman. The film inspired one of the greatest animated shows in history (Batman TAS) and the cinematography was amazing. It really captured what Gotham would have looked like. In my opinion, Burton did an amazing job.

[@dylanroemmele906]

Don't forget Lego Batman 1

[@PalaceofEternia]

Totally agree! Without Tim Burtons Movie we would not have the The animated Series and maybe till today would be like Batman of 1966 tone. Batman of Tim Burton give Batman an amazing personality.

[@egoapple5421]

Batman isn’t supposed to be human in Batman 89. I think that’s the point. We got the backstory of the Joker but the Batman is meant to be a mystery in a way.

[@dhj7541]

I’ve always seen batman 89 as an alternate universe

[@spider-man6060]

He makes a solid point, the same problem occurred in Spider-Man homecoming in my opinion

[@BrightbBurns1985]

Tim Burton's "Batman '89" is kinda like the Batman version of "Goldfinger." It made the Batman character more popular than he already was.

[@Easy-Eight]

Excellent observation.

[@user-tx4uy3gy6d]

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[@stryderHD]

Totally agree.

[@MrBenMcLean]

The Nicholson Joker's idea of being a "homicidal artist" is not empty. He's not just a narcissist: he's a misanthrope. He hates society. He hates capitalism. He hates that there are happy people out there. Everything the Joker does (and this shows up both in the Hamill and the Ledger Jokers too) is intentionally designed as a satire on normal society. The "art" of the Joker is a polemic against reason itself. That line, "My face on the one dollar bill." means he's demanding something he knows is ridiculously impossible. It means he's indicating that absolutely nothing would make him happy. He's out to hurt people in order to hurt people for the sake of hurting people. It is very much saying the same thing as what Alfred says in The Dark Knight: "Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."

[@glennwills7646]

The line about his face on the one dollar bill, originally it was going to be revealed that the money he threw on the crowd at the end of the film did indeed have the jokers face on it.

[@lugbzurg8987]

Certainly a lot better than making him a Hot Topic Junkie.

[@PrivateAckbar]

I agree with most of what you said. But I don't think you need to imbue 89 with Dark Knight philosophy. I think the homicidal artist concept is more mature on its own than Nolan's characterisation. I'm not blaming Nolan for what anyone else does, but his portrayal of the nihilistic "agent of chaos" who spends the entire film delivering anarchist monologues is exactly the type of thing you would expect to appeal to immature theatre shooters. The 89 film has better character writing. Plain and simple.

[@AspieMediaBobby]

@PrivateAckbar Contrary to popular belief,anarchism is not about chaos. In fact,the O around the A in the anarchist symbol stands for order.Anarchism is natural,spontaneous,undirected order or in other words direct, participatory,free,voluntary,confederal democracy.

[@TheHorns1996]

Anarcha Media Sure it is, pal. Be honest, if anarchy was truly a thing, it'd just be chaos, no matter the intentions.

[@TIMEC0P...]

"MICHAEL KEATON" is & always will be "BATMAN" forever !💥

[@1beatcher]

But Michael Keaton didn't play Batman in Batman Forever.

[@wolf.mp4]

@@1beatcher 🤣🤣

[@maddymooo]

I honestly think it's a great movie in its own little lore. I'm not much of a person who rates quality based on faithfulness to comics, so I rolled with Batman 1989 and had tons of fun.

[@cinematastic1814]

I love this film but ur not wrong ur points are valid and I can’t say I don’t agree

[@28Pluto]

Learn how to spell, for fuck's sake!

[@cinematastic1814]

Pluto28 what does that have to do with anything cause I spelled your like ur I know how to spell I am just lazy if u got a problem with that feel free to tell me I won’t change and being a grammar nazi isn’t gonna change me making comments in fast ways

[@ryanclarkegeoghegan4405]

@@28Pluto Who are you to talk? You literally put an apostrophe in fucks...😂

[@moe_lester2628]

There are alot of movies that we love but know are flawed in many ways.

[@cinematastic1814]

OxiClean true

[@mariasottiriou1393]

But in the end the real “Bad Batman Movie” is Batman and Robin

[@ahmedwalid4819]

I still didn’t watch it, should I?

[@playlister4285]

No it's a bad movie all together.

[@gianlucaferrara1023]

The Real Bad Batman movie is "Batman V Superman"

[@etb464]

I agre batman and Robin is H O R I B L E

[@emelgizzybruh2058]

And Forever

[@shinola]

I can’t believe you watched this movie 20 times and still don’t understand the psyche and motivation of the film version of Bruce Wayne. Bruce internalizes his pain from his parents’ murders and creates the Batman persona not because “bats frighten me” or some other outward junk. Batman is an outlet for the emotional turmoil of watching his parents die, which he doesn’t allow himself to realize as Bruce Wayne. Half of the movie covers this. Sorry they used the visual language of film instead of explaining every emotional beat to you. Maybe in the next Batman movie, Bruce Wayne can look into the camera and explain everything he’s thinking, just so you can understand.

[@q.h.s5051]

He never allows himself to see anything besides what he wants, he wants more Nolan Batman stuff

[@soggyfirewood1090]

You wrote a paragraph just to say “Batman murders criminals because he’s sad that his parents died” wow what a deep emotional struggle, how well written why don’t we give this man a medal for writing basic character motivation. No they didn’t use any visual language you just interpreted it yourself and decided it was deep and well made, you didn’t even give a single actual example of the use of visual language in the movie.

[@shinola]

@@soggyfirewood1090 you seem upset, but you’re not very coherent. “Batman murders criminals because he’s sad his parents died” was the thesis of (counting very slowly) ZERO of my paragraphs. I could list all of the scenes and flashbacks where Batman 1989 presents Batman’s psyche without explaining his emotions, but it’s easier to list the times that someone actually verbalizes it: one scene when Knox asks rhetorically what watching one’s parents die does to a child and one scene when Batman tells Joker “you made me.” Does a reasonable viewer understand the emotional complexity of the Batman character after watching that movie? Absolutely yes, and without spoon-feeding it to viewers with unnecessary dialogue. Explain how you don’t think that’s the visual language of film. And make sense next time.

[@hubertop1247]

@@shinola What we understand is that Bruce became Batman because his parents were murdered, but i dont think it ever expands on that.

[@shinola]

@@hubertop1247 I’m sorry that you didn’t see the subtext of the struggle of Keaton’s Bruce Wayne to maintain control of both sides of his personality while being driven to be Batman after the murder of his parents. Maybe the slight shifts between Bale doing a bad impression of someone trying to appear drunk before abandoning that persona to return to being Batman full-time, or giving a token impression of a public image by having a couple of token scenes per movie where he acts as an alter ego does it for you. I prefer a less ham-fisted portrayal. That’s just me.

[@lightningbolt4419]

8:32 and that cycle is literally repeating exactly with the batman

[@yuna2381]

Batman 1989 is my favourite Batman movie. May not be faithful, but it's still a brilliant movie.

[@dzas_cave]

How i feel about Man of Steel

[@montaquimislamnoor8327]

@@q.h.s5051 you can do different take. Just look at NOLAN. But don't change the core of it. Ben's BATMAN is no different than Punisher. Tom's Spider-boy is a whiny pussycat. Cavil well he is alright.

[@TOAOM123]

@@q.h.s5051 A frog cant become a ladybug Evolution doesnt involve the discarding of fundamental elements You can have a character change but there are immutable characteristics that have to remain consistent

[@captainguyman7382]

@@montaquimislamnoor8327 I feel a different take for the sake of being different is wrong, but a different take for a purpose is ok. I feel toms Spider-Man still has hope, that he’ll grow into the Spider-Man we know. But Batfleck is gone for.

[@Lackifall]

@@montaquimislamnoor8327 this comment aged so unbelievably bad 😹

[@sputumtube]

I watched this '89 Batman when I was 28 years old and the queues were four deep for what seemed at the time like a mile. It was groundbreaking. Nothing even close had ever happened before. I particularly liked the Gotham City depictions that felt 'not quite of this world' unlike the later films that were filmed in modern day cities. It definately had it's faults if you have thirty years to think of them, but at the time it was f**king brilliant. And THAT'S how I remember it.

[@varanid9]

@Hussain Afzal Actually, it was a fine Batman movie if you like the ORIGINAL 1939 Batman, which many people do. Some people don't care for the lame, candy-ass politically correct Batman that currently holds the title.

[@alanlee67]

Paul Greenwood I was like 4 when this movie came out. My family has the vhs and it was the most amazing thing at the time. You can easily go back and say old movies are bad because the cinematography doesn't hold up. You will say the same thing about these lame marvel and dc movies 20 years from now. That doesn't mean they are bad movies (read bad Batman movies), all movies will not be able to stand the test of time because movies are extremely affected by the datedness of the cinematography. This is just the opinion of the typical kid nowadays that has never experienced anything outside of the last 10 years...if you want to somewhat enjoy Batman 89 today, find a crt and a vhs. It will look amazing because the colors and lighting of these old movies were designed to be shown that way and also the slight blurry image masks some of the "seams" you see if you try to watch it in hd.

[@doc8013]

@Hussain Afzal you obviously didn't get his comment did You?

[@ced214]

Hussain Afzal sounds to me like he got it just fine

[@doc8013]

@Hussain Afzal bro, really?!?! You said, "You didn't get the video did You?"...so I said "You didn't get his comment did you?" I thought that was pretty easily correlated.

[@danielkeller1337]

This as a good Batman movie. The only two movies that I really like are this and the dark knight. Both with Joker. I'm a big Joker fan, because he has no superpowers, but is one of Batman's greatest enemies.

[@StevieStitches]

Batman (1989) is a Badass BATMAN Movie

[@Legend-vm9uv]

Ikr Hi Top doesn’t get it

[@nra3zehuti781]

He said he liked the film .....

[@National7575]

@@Legend-vm9uv he doesn’t get it because he disagrees with you?

[@MAMoreno]

Bill Finger had no problem writing Batman as a Shadow knockoff who kills. The DC editor at the time was the one who forced the no-kill rule, and in the 1980s, the writers on the Bat-books were constantly bending (and arguably even breaking) that rule. Batman '89 is at home in its early post-Crisis era.

[@jalenjohnson1662]

I love it when people hold a comic book film from the 80 s to the standard and rules of modern comics, completely ignoring all the other iterations of the character from the past 80 years.

[@johnjoe672]

You should analyse Spider-Man PS4. It gets Spidey better than Homecoming did.

[@HiTopFilms]

That’s the next video. :)

[@johnjoe672]

@@HiTopFilms Looking forward to it! :D

[@leesharp2140]

Gotta say nearly every Spider-Man is better than Homecoming sadly...

[@RatchetandSly]

It isn't a bad Batman movie, though. It's a great Batman movie, it's just not a version of Batman that has a no-kill rule. Now, do I prefer no-kill Batman? Absolutely! But that doesn't mean it's a bad Batman film just because Tim Burton's version of Batman has no problem killing people. That being said, great video. Your content is always awesome

[@belmoski]

This is like saying "I prefer the version of Superman that flies but I also enjoy the pedestrian version of Superman". When you remove a core principle of the character, then whatever you're portraying is just not that character. A Superman without flight would not be Superman, just like a Batman that kills is not Batman.

[@Agentshadling]

​@@belmoskia Batman that kills is more realistic and likely than a Batman that doesn't kill, shut up

[@RatchetandSly]

@@belmoski Batman’s refusal to kill is less of a core to his character than a rich guy wearing a bat suit and fighting crime. If you have those two features, you have Batman, even if it’s just an alternate take

[@belmoski]

@@RatchetandSly If you think that then I think you fundamentally misunderstand the character of Batman

[@RatchetandSly]

@@belmoski Ok

[@papawedge7396]

To answer the question thingy: The thing i like about this Batman is that he can be campy as fuck when he wants to, that's something i sometimes enjoy in "darker" Batmen, that they still retain a bit of campiness.

[@kaisermonarch7603]

9:07 I took that statement literally and now I'm crying all over the place 😂

[@ralphdonn9518]

I like how batman smiles after he just blows up some thug

[@elif.2445]

8:54 and now, the circle goes on further with robert pattinsons Batman

[@SimPilotMika]

Christopher Nolan was so worried that The Dark Knight wasn’t going to live up to this… it ended up being the best superhero movie ever made in both DC and Marvel

[@dominus9664]

The joker was the best part of this for me

[@AJ-pw8xg]

The only good part.

[@Sea-Bird..]

And the batman suit.

[@hyliannerd4541]

Yet the sad thing is that they had to kill him off. If I wrote the movie, he would have been thrown to Arkham Asylum, and plot his revenge as well meeting other villains which they should have not killed of.

[@theofficialdarrenloy]

But Alex, at the time you recorded this video, Batman had only been around for 79 years, not 89 years.

[@DanielValentin0508]

Well shit that just ruins the video

[@henrylarson2739]

I just noticed one flaw is that Alfred tells Bruce to tell Vicki that he’s Batman. When Alfred would never want Bruce to do that. Alfred would want Bruce to STOP being Batman.

[@himynameiskobey.7994]

I've never known that there was a commercial featuring Alfred drinking Diet Coke but I already know it's the greatest price of film history ever.

[@Full_Otto_Bismarck]

I remember Alfred being in several different commercials up through to the 1997 Batman and Robin movie. I was too young to care about the products then so I cant remember them all or even if they were all just variations of the diet coke commercial shown here, i was just a kid who was a huge Batman fan and I knew Alfred when I seen him on the TV.

[@halcyon5zippo]

Batman is whatever producers need him to be, but he should be what a director deserves.

[@Arkhamfrost]

"And like Assholes, everyone has one" Very true....

[@Mephiestopholes]

I think Keaton and Nicolson are the best parts.

[@StudMacher96]

Saying that Batman 1989 is a bad Batman movie just confuses me. Everyone has their own form of Batman. It doesn’t have to be based off the comics all the time.

[@Firelord91021]

That isn't what's he's saying at all

[@StudMacher96]

It pretty much is. He’s saying it’s a bad Batman movie. Not a bad movie. Just bad when comparing it to the comics

[@jesusisscaredofme1866]

I think it would've been interesting if we see why Batman is Batman in the early parts of the film, and see the no kill rule throughout the film. Then Bruce learns that Joker killed his parents and kills him. If done right we could see Bruce have to live with the fact that he killed the Joker tearing him apart and giving him moral conflict.

[@PaxChildress]

Hey! Deadpool isn't dark and edgy! He's zany and edgy.

[@Apex_YT_117]

I'd say he's dark and zany, but sure

[@nathandaniels4823]

Batman ‘89 is a movie attempt at approximating Frank Miller’s vision of Batman. It does just fine.

[@Pepsi_Man_Max]

"Batman's only had one theme" Danny Elfman is great but so up his own arse with that statement. Batman Begins and The Batmans themes are just as iconic

[@HolyRomanEmperor90]

Not to mention The Animated Series theme.

[@KyleKringle]

Me who has never not seen this movie outside of the home VHS tape I've had for years: shit. you got a point.

[@jean-francoislabelle6489]

I remember my father saying when we first saw the movie in 89: 'This is not Batman''. Personally I see this as a dark and gritty version of the character, not the only one (mind you) but the only one that I can enjoy. And your right, Keaton and the aesthetics are the reason im' coming back for it. Oh and it opened the door for other superhero movies. But yeah, Batman should never kill.

[@romans52345-cy3tq]

He should kill because he is a Dark Character whose parents were murdered but only kill bad guys

[@johnedsel]

@@romans52345-cy3tq that makes him no better than the criminals. That's the whole point.

[@KvngLeroy1]

@@johnedsel that's kinda dumb tho, joker kills tons of people so do the other villains and instead of offing them he hosts locks them up again. People are saying batman never kills but I'm pretty sure his early comics had him kill like 3 dudes

[@michaell6807]

@@KvngLeroy1 if he has no other choice than he will...and yes he did kill in those early issues

[@docteroh]

Well people generally don't count the very first comics seriously as batman hadn't really established an identity. And yes him not killing is silly at times, but he won't kill.

[@thchildishalbino2819]

I found your channel a little over a year ago and it's amazing to see how you're thriving five years from this video

[@Someone-hv7tv]

I tend to think in the circumstances of the DC Universe people like Red Hood are honestly better at cleaning up than Batman. There was even an animated film where Batman halfway kills Joker and says, “No more, the people I murdered by letting you live”. The villains just escape again and kill even more.

[@cboehm24]

I was 16 when Batman came out. I had my first job: at a movie theater. The summer of Batman was my first summer there. At the time, when everything was on film, the projectionists would sometimes run the film to test it, so the manager invited everyone to come see it the day before it premiered. I can't convey how profound was this movie's impact on me. It caused the comic boom of the 90's--the creation of Deadpool, Spawn and stories that are now taken as canon. That said, I have always thought of the '89 movie as one of the most shallow interpretations of the character of Batman, and all of your points are fully correct. The strength of the movie has always been in its visuals and score--Burton's strengths even now.

[@DainLaguna]

The 80’s were a simpler time. Not every Batman comic is some big deep dive on making him like-able. Also yes, more prince songs. It’s fine. Not everything has gotta be Nolan. It’s style over substance, which in itself is substance.

[@Possum880]

You get it

[@pingaspearce9403]

Nolan set the bar tho om his character

[@yuritardid7761]

If style over substance is substance itself then why does BvS feel so shallow

[@emelgizzybruh2058]

No but the 80's introduced Frank Millers take on batman.

[@papawedge7396]

​@@yuritardid7761 Because BvS style is trash edgelord indulgence.

[@futurereflectionsmedia8391]

I really appreciated the nod to Bill Finger. Thank you for that.

[@futurereflectionsmedia8391]

EDIT- …I uh, also had the Batman crystal cup with the McDonald’s happy meal when I was a kid 😅😂

[@officialmonarchmusic]

As you said, “you have until this ad is over” an ad started playing

[@HolyRomanEmperor90]

Yeah that was done intentionally.

[@officialmonarchmusic]

@@HolyRomanEmperor90 Ahh I see

[@redkat9238]

I love the Batman 1989 movie because yes, it’s a masterpiece, yes it’s what we all grew up with it. Yes it formed Batman in Cinema. And I love it. Sure, Batman DOES NOT KILL and I totally agree with you. But I can’t bring myself to not like this movie. Also when you said “You have till this add is over” an add played. Wtf. Bill Finger: BATMAN DOES NOT KILL BATMAN 1989: Kills Joker, kills almost every goon in the movie But that doesn’t mean the movie is bad. Jerome (Gotham) > Joker (Batman 1989) BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN JOKER (BATMAN ‘89) IS BAD. HE’S ACTUALLY EXTREMELY GREAT.

[@shrimpfriedstudios]

Yes, you're right, one reason why this isn't Batman is because Batman doesn't kill, but you're missing another massive point. Bruce Wayne Most great Batman stories aren't really Batman stories, but Bruce Wayne stories. Bruce Wayne (truly) is the guy who's trying to be Batman and Bruce Wayne but still leans more towards Batman, Bruce Wayne is the man who's over the "I am vengeance" phase, and is now in the "I am the Knight" phase. Now, we do need the "I am vengeance" Batman. Some of the most iconic stories have come from the "I am vengeance" Batman, The Dark Knight Returns, The Long Halloween, etc. But we need the Bruce Wayne who wants to be Bruce Wayne, probably the prime example of this is Tom King's Batman #37, (from what I remember) this comic shows everything I mean

[@william4207]

Batman’s killed in every movie adaption. He killed all the time in the early comics.

[@captainbeastwinger4940]

@Fluffynator by his logic all the live action bzymen suck because they have Brown hair instead of Black hair

[@captainbeastwinger4940]

@Zak Strayder yeah and? The early comics are in a different universe

[@captainbeastwinger4940]

@Zak Strayder because tim didnt read any comics

[@danfors1333]

I think Burton's intent was to have Batman being mysterious and with an actor like Keaton it works. Not much of Bruce Wayne's background is explained in that movie but by Keaton's performance you can tell that his Batman is very intelligent, serious, calm introvert totally in control of his emotions. Keaton never looked believable as a top level martial artist so showing him doing ninja training would have been a bit goofy. His Batman totally rely on strength of mind alone and his performance sells it.

[@jalenjohnson1662]

Couldn't have said it better myself. Keaton's Batman isn't very threatening as Bruce Wayne which is why he dresses up as a bat for effect.

[@MephProduction]

we didn't really need a 'training montage' while it might work with the bloated and inconsistent Nolan trilogy Burton may not show us but he kinda shows us visually. Bruce has all those strange exotic statues, weapons and armor so he certainly traveled and trained.

[@tragedyplustime8271]

@CYB3R2K30 Bale's suit looks too much like a military vest frankly To me, Batman either wears a full suit with seams and small details (Not a military vest) or an extremely advanced suit like the Batsuit 8.04 from Knight.

[@MKM_2002]

Batman '89: for comic-book fans The Dark Knight: for movie fans

[@quatrx2]

batman 1989 is bad comic book movie

[@ihatealderney]

That is not even remotely correct. The Dark Knight is far more comic accurate.

[@jetflicks84]

12:04 Sam Raimi's Batman 🤣

[@brandonspain12345]

Darkman?

[@sats2407]

"Without 89 Batman there would be no dark Batman" Killing Joke Dark Knight Returns Batman Year One These three graphic novels already did that before this film came out.

[@richarac81]

I think he meant marketed to the masses, not people who were already reading the books.

[@paulpolpiboon9535]

Those things are babies though compared to Neal Adams. That list of course is epic milestones of the Batman legacy, well done, but they're babies that are trying to copy off of Neal Adams the big daddy leading them the whole way.

[@paulpolpiboon9535]

@Harry Senior : No he's not. He's actually talking about the influence on THE BATMAN. Batman is NOT a movie character, the movies are a reaction to the epic name Batman, which has made such a name for itself that it reached the screen. So as stated, this vid maker is pretty ignorant; he didn't even know the identity of his subject lol! Newsflash ignorance: Batman is a COMIC BOOK CHARACTER. That's what the movie is talking about "bro"

[@corrupt_insomniac]

Comics are a cult medium

[@paulpolpiboon9535]

Corrupted: it's actually a Sequential medium. And any medium is not "cult" only the subject of that medium can be cult. And comics is clearly not a cult since it's legendary work has hit the mainstream and is exploding, hardly cult. Maybe originally, but now it can't be ignored

[@caleblevi3695]

I seriously don’t care whatever comes out in the future, this movie has the perfect score for Batman EVER!

[@Xehanort10]

3:41 Making Joker the one who killed Thomas and Martha was stupid. It's better when it's either Joe Chill or when Bruce never finds out who the killer is. Then Batman's mission is a crusade against crime itself rather than a search for one criminal. The hero's arch enemy doesn't have to be the one responsible for their origin. The Green Goblin didn't kill Uncle Ben, Lex Luthor didn't destroy Krypton, the Kingpin didn't kill Daredevil's dad despite what the shit 2003 Daredevil film would have you believe, Jigsaw didn't kill The Punisher's family and so on.

[@rookietanooki3126]

" you have until this ad is over" **ad actually starts playing**

[@halo4xgamer]

Also Danny Elfmann: Spider-Man has only had one theme. Interviewer: Your theme? Danny Elfmann: Yeah.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

Not only that. The Gremlins films, Beetlejuice, and many more of these.

[@Doctor_Straing_Strange]

Spider-man Spider-man...look out!! Here comes the SPIDER-MAN

[@tragedyplustime8271]

Elfman is among people like John Williams.

[@Rose-yh3no]

"c'mon one dollar. One dollar!"

[@rosserjake]

"19 years of existence", "seeing this as an old jaded man." You have no idea how young you are 😭😭 Now in my mid 20s, I'd love to be your age!

[@bubba418]

Lol mid 20s? Lol how the hell is that not young?

[@rosserjake]

@@bubba418 Thanks for the reassurance Bubba :)

[@GilDice]

Also, for the Joker: he isn't a narcissist. The joke is that he's insane, clearly a clown in bad make-up, and that his mind is nonsensical. He calls himself an artist, while destroying priceless art. He says he wants his face on the $1 bill, even though it's effectively worthless and he has shown to not care about money. The joke is that he doesn't need a reason to be crazy, but every reason he gives is still crazy. He is a mad man painting a delusional smile on a sane world

[@ericcarvelli9773]

This is the Batman I grew up with, I remember my mother and I standing in line for tickets for two hours.. Keaton is still my favorite Batman, Nicholson was crazy and amazing as The Joker, let's be honest who doesn't love that original Elfman Batman theme???? EPIC......

[@camcordernonsense5264]

Love keaton in that costume, the mobile and the wing too

[@wayneramquist367]

The other Batman movies will never beat Batman 1989

[@spider-man500]

@@wayneramquist367 TDK and The Batman

[@hetisjoelb]

@@spider-man500 certainly not the batman

[@tobias9246]

The Batman, is a much better movie hahah

[@DH_Artist]

I kinda liked the fact that we didn’t know too much about Batman in this movie. It kinda added to the mystery of the character as a whole. We leave WANTING to know more about him. What made him choose bats? Where did he learn to fight? How did he get all this gear? And we may have gotten an explanation in future films had the studio not fucked them over. About Jack, I feel the narcissism works here. It’s always been sort of a character trait for him. The Joker toxin/Smylex giving people his signature grin, even in the Laughing Fish comic book that came out over 20 years before the Animated Series emulated it, Joker showed his narcissism by trying to get a copyright claim over the fish he infected with Joker toxin. It even goes down to the way he presents himself in big bold colors and fancy unique outfits. Narcissism has always been a trait of the Joker, but Ledger’s Joker has distorted how everyone sees the Joker character. Jack Napier has always wanted to be top dog over Grissom, but as Eckhart said, “You got no future Jack!” Well, that is until the Axis Chemicals incident. Now Jack has a completely new identity, Joker. He can now get the power he dreamed of with this new identity. He’s no longer Jack Napier #2, he’s Joker #1. Yeah I know this sounds stupid but it shows in his story if you pay attention. He was tired of playing second fiddle but as Jack Napier he never got the chance to climb those last few rungs of the ladder. As Joker he can become unhinged and take what he believes is his. He’s now king of the Gotham underworld. Only, nobody’s talking about it. Anytime he tries to do something outrageous, the news turns to Batman instead. This leads to the Smylex toxin, and then his announcement of him throwing two million dollars into the street. He wants to be recognized, and that’s part of his narcissism. He wants to finally be seen and heard. Although Tim Burton never read a comic, I still feel he had somewhat of a good understanding of the characters and how he could portray them. He kept Batman’s gadgets, and Joker’s deadly gags, he portrayed Gotham as how it was meant to be, and he just gave Batman the overall tone we really associate with it now. I respect your opinion, but I feel there were some things that got overlooked in your points. If you actually read my full tangent, I thank you haha.

[@user-sp2jg9rx8r]

Why, I adore this movie because Batman is mysterious like the Night itself. =)

[@suarezguy]

​@Brandon Brooks The I don't read comics was (understandably) petty/hyperbolic dismissal to Smith claiming he stole an idea from a Smith comic, so implicitly actually he was just saying he doesn't read comics anymore. I can see that Burton did read and like Batman comics, Robin aside, as a kid while TKJ was the first he loved as an adult and/or as a work of art.

[@NicholasPetersVT]

Keaton / Burton’s Batman is just a beautiful combination of lots of things. It’s esthetic…89’ and Returns (mostly 89) just have a “niche” yet classic bad-ass nostalgic feel for me. So it’s not following or canon much to any of the comics 🤷‍♂️ they were the first real big screen run at the Batman so it’s a “Classic” in its own right to the series of the films. That batmobile and batsuit managed to be so freakin’ unmistakable yet unique and just cool as fuck. With what some could argue as “rose tinted goggles”, I say it’s an amazing film ! Got me into Batman more as a child

[@batboy9997]

I'm ok with Batman "breaking some eggs" in this movie. As far as we know, he is the world's only masked vigilante. He's not a superhero, and there is no Superman as a reference point to say "this is how heroes act." and referring to the original comics is totally valid. The only reason he doesn't kill any more is because of the Comics Code, which doesn't exist in movies.