Batman: The Animated Series 2x13 REACTION!! "Batgirl Returns"

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[@ChrisWake]

Shirley Walker deserves her flowers. Every character leitmotif is memorable. Batgirl's is a standout.

[@Wolf6119]

Shirley Walker is such a damn magician, even with the smallest of pieces of music. Her Green Lantern leitmotif is one of my favorites, and we never even got a full version of it! At most you get 4 or 5 seconds of it during Superman:TAS or during Justice League, but it instantly gets stuck in your head and captures GL perfectly.

[@williamsundesten4327]

@@Wolf6119love her superman theme

[@jerekheadrick3379]

Personal favorite is her Nightwing theme

[@Jjop017]

Batman Beyond is a good watch. If you guys do decide to go through the DC Animated Universe after this series I hope you check out Superman as well. I think Superman is a good watch and for you guys it does a good job in introducing New Gods and Darkseid to wider audiences.

[@acidrain92]

It would be a huge missed opportunity for them to not at least watch Justice League and JLU after this. I love Batman TAS, but that show is so much more modern and exciting to watch on a weekly basis, especially with how it deep dives into the DC universe.

[@YTAG33]

Return of the Joker is my favorite animated movie but it really functions as the series finale of Batman Beyond so they have have to watch the whole series!

[@deadsaige]

I hope they do Superman just for the crossover episodes with other heroes 😊

[@garrethb6261]

Well they are watching STAS, so hopefully the other DCAU shows will eventually be watched as well.

[@thewerewolff7248]

The dc earth and it’s land masses are canonically largely than the IRL earth. This allows both fictional cities/ countries and real cities/ countries to co exist. Many dc heroes live in real cities. For example green arrow is shown to move from star city to Seattle in the Mike Grell run, the titans are often based in Manhattan, New York and Gordon is said to have moved to Gotham from Chicago.

[@Pieman523]

Batman Beyond. Yes please!!!!

[@ArlanKels]

Yea, while I don't think Batman Beyond is amazing it's definitely a solid watch. The best part of it to me is they try to keep Terry Batman different from Bruce Batman, both in terms of their style as well as personality. Even the villains, while echoing some of Batman's, still have their own differences to make them unique yet familiar.

[@ObscureSwan]

@@ArlanKels Also like how some of the villains in Beyond are from Batman's comic rouge gallery, like Spellbinder, are instead adapted to be futuristic versions which have become more iconic in the Beyond setting than the OG. IDK how the order would go after they would finish BTAS, if they would go onto Beyond or Superman TAS.

[@ArlanKels]

@@ObscureSwan Beyond into Superman works fine, and in some ways works better than Batman into Superman into Beyond.

[@jonasquinn7977]

@ObscureSwan I think chronological order works best. So something along the lines of BTAS, TNBA, STAS, Justice League, Static Shock, JLU, Batman Beyond

[@kyletonarella4353]

This would be the last time we hear Melissa Gilbert voice Batgirl in the series before the movie Sub-Zero where she was voiced by the late, great Mary Kay Bergman & then in the New Adventures season where she was voiced by Tara Strong

[@Wolf6119]

Ah. Ahhh yeah. I forgot how early Bruce Timm got started on his "Bruce and Barbara should totally fuck" agenda. Safe to say you can give the Killing Joke movie a miss...

[@pegusus12346]

Aaron, the show Smallville fooled me for a long time too. I think that might be the only time Metropolis is in Kansas, it's typically in the northeast. Usually in the state of New York, but it's also been said to be in Delaware. When I thought about it after learning that, I realized it didn't really make sense for it to be in the landlocked Kansas when it's usually portrayed as having a massive harbor.

[@Wolf6119]

Oh please, please, please DO watch Batman Beyond. (And ideally Justice League and JLU before that lol). Not only is it a great standalone show but it's a pretty great capping off of the original BTAS as well. And yeah, Terry's great. Might be my favorite BatFam member of all time, though it's a tight race with Dick.

[@jonasquinn7977]

Don’t forget STAS

[@kah_hota]

Justice League Unlimited came after Justice League. But you guys should watch the the movie Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths before JLU as it was written to bridge the gap but was produced after the shows had ended. But for great continuity, Superman: The Animated Series, Batman Beyond, Justice League then Justice League Unlimited.

[@dupersuper1938]

@@kah_hota Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths was based on an idea to do that, but is the final film is not set in the DCAU. They should still watch it though: it's awesome.

[@kah_hota]

@@dupersuper1938 I know but it would still be cool if they watched it in between JL and JLU as really besides the different voice actors, the only real difference is swapping John Stewart for Hal Jordan.

[@JKBlackClover]

You NEED to do Batman Beyond. It’s so good.

[@johnnysparkle]

A section of the fight scene in the Stacked Deck was animated, uncredited, by Peter Chung, most known for his work on Aeon Flux and The Animatrix.

[@seanpatrickcain2]

Though The Lion and the Unicorn (1995) was the last episode aired, this was the last episode produced.

[@trainmaster36productions]

About the Batgirl/Batman romance......future Timverse projects (mostly the comics for the shows) go further into it. No one likes it and is why the Killing Joke movie adaptation is looked at the way it is.

[@death2boredom338]

It's something we all try to nonchalantly whistle and look away from as we skip over it lol

[@JL-zw3tj]

Just skip part one and watch part two the actual Killing Joke storyline

[@grassyhill5830]

The batman and batgirl thing bruce timm really likes any batman project that hes incharge of you hear hints of or they flat out have them together

[@markosmatrozos4175]

It is stated in a Justice League/Avengers crossover that the Marvel universe's earth is slightly smaller than the dc one and has less cities. Also, we find out that Flash is faster than quicksilver due to the speedforce in the dc universe, but in marvel universe the speedforce doesn't exist, so flash is just a guy

[@johnnysparkle]

According to Dan Riba, The Chemist was based on Doctor Sivana.

[@kyletonarella4353]

I definitely see the resemblance

[@Jaketherobonrd]

Yes definitely react to Batman Beyond great sequel

[@kah_hota]

11:16 I think this is Bruce Timm's doing. There are a lot of fans (me included) who also think it is weird. Do yourself a favour, don't watch the animated movie Batman: The Killing Joke or if you ever get around to watching Batman Beyond, DON'T read the Batman Beyond 2.0 comic, or at least skip issues 13-16.

[@headybud]

100 percent should watch Batman beyond

[@hoya1178]

5:20 Gotham has never been like Chicago in the comics, that is only in the Nolan films.

[@andtheneverythingchangedwh5234]

You should do Superman: TAS and Justice League and Justice League unlimited! They all kinda of slot together

[@muhammadhabibieamiro3639]

Good to see batgirl again

[@jonasquinn7977]

I really really hope you guys do the rest of the DCAU starting with Superman

[@dupersuper1938]

The DCAU: Batman TAS, Superman TAS, Batman Beyond, The Zeta Project, Static Shock, Gotham Girls, Justice League, Justice League Unlimited, Mask of the Phantasm, Mystery of the Batwoman, Sub-Zero, Brainiac Attacks, Return of the Joker and Justice League Vs The Fatal Five

[@WhiteFangofWar]

When the Bat's away, the Cat will play with the sidekicks. Last appearance for Roland Daggett, and they seemed to know that with all the continuity references to his past crimes. Also the last appearance of this animation style for Catwoman.

[@xyenia0122]

Barbara's very first appearance was as a love interest to Bruce in the Adam West series.

[@johnnysparkle]

One of Dan Riba's largest concerns with this episode was that Batgirl should be "cute" and "lively". With those aims in mind, he gave his board artists copies of Owen Fitzgerald's Liz for inspiration.

[@kah_hota]

5:10 As someone mentioned, the difference in sizes of Earths was talked about in the 2003 miniseries JLA/Avengers where Superman quickly scanned the Marvel Earth and said it seemed slightly smaller with the East Coast not as urbanally developed. He also flew to where Metropolis was supposed to be, but all he found was a large field/forest. But from a writer's social commentary perspective, Metropolis is supposed to represent New York City during the day and Gotham City is supposed to represent New York City at night (which is why Batman and Superman have such a great dichotomy). But yes, Paris, New York and Chicago do exist in the DC Universe. In the Smallville TV series, Metropolis was set in Kansas because whenever Clark would have adventures in the city, it made sense how he, Lex, Chloe, Lana and others could travel to Smallville so fast. In the DCEU, it is said Metropolis and Gotham are supposed to reside in Delaware. In the Nolan-Verse, specifically after The Dark Knight, Gotham is said to be near Chicago but that is most likely because a majority of the big city scenes were filmed there which seems to be debunked after The Dark Knight Rises when Bruce flies the bomb out to sea. But for the most part, both are supposed to be set in New York State or at least on the East Coast.

[@michaelash8552]

Barbara and Bruce were never a thing in the comics, at least prior to this show. Barbara and Dick have been off and on in the comics.

[@meswoopnoseenothing]

I really hope they do all the DCAU

[@N00bkillr693]

Yes plzzzzzzz watch Batman Beyond. Show needs more attention

[@MiniSerloneBurger]

Omg yes!!!!!! Please do react to Batman Beyond!!!!!! You will all love it!!!!!!

[@Robin-6525]

I was waiting for Eric or Aaron to remember that in the flash Barry pretended to be a villain called the chemist

[@toonman5099]

Opening & reaction segments: - (Show intro) I'd appreciate if you guys watched Beyond. Production-wise it came out after New Batman Adventures, but I'd imagine you guys would want to watch the DCAU in production order, so that would mean the next show to replace this one on the schedule would be the Superman animated series first then doing its Season 2 and 3 along with TNBA since they were airing concurrently, then after THOSE it would be Batman Beyond. - (Episode title card) Yes, it's kind of infamous that the Bruce Timm style makes the females very attractive. XD - (Barb dream sequence) Personally, I also never cared for the Bruce and Barbara romance angle. This seems to be roughly the start of it for the show, but I never really cared for the idea. Bruce mentioned in an interview that in the Killing Joke, the scene everyone is put off by, he DOES confirm it's meant to be a scene as a mistake between two people making a bad call, with the "big tell" being the music where it's not romantic or inspiring, but I feel like it's a case of "everyone missed it because it's not fully addressed in universe for the audience to confirm their confusion of how they should feel about it so it leaves them in an awkward position." Discussion: - (The Chemist's teeth) Yeah, I DO think that's just sadly a holdover from early artist renditions where it very much was culturally insensitive because that's how Asians were depicted so it's sadly a relic of the time. Because that style sadly was just kind of more prevalent during that time. I personally don't know for SURE if it's the case he's meant to be Asian implied, but I have a SUSPICION that it's likely to be the "impulse recognition" to signify "this character is Asian" in terms of trying to have clarity without explicitly stating if he was Asian or not, basically visual shorthand.

[@death2boredom338]

If you do Batman Beyond, do Static Shock too. Pleeeeeeeaze,

[@dupersuper1938]

Also Superman and Justice League...just do the DCAU.

[@mrwatermelo50]

Why is Robin Hood made me laugh way to hard

[@petermacdonough9077]

This is actually the only episode where Batman doesnt appear, aside from Barbara's dream!!:)

[@mrwatermelo50]

Wayne is living my dream ! Being the richest man on the planet ? no dating red heads

[@mrplow8]

Batman Beyond is a good show, but you guys should watch Superman The Animated Series first.

[@LightShadowOnyx]

batman beyond and superman tas

[@zacharybartolo5111]

This was the first episode I ever watched of the Batman Animated Series and the reason why I'll always ship Batman and Batgirl.

[@dupersuper1938]

You poor lost soul...

[@SnakeSosa]

HAHAHAH Mavity

[@drewwar9344]

I always felt bad girl and Batman should have a relationship because usually Dick Grayson is in a relationship with starfire. And batgirl always seem like an older sister to Dick.

[@dupersuper1938]

If by "usually" you mean "not for over 30 years"...

[@deshaunfortune912]

I think Batman and Batgirl relationships are fine in universes where they’re around the same age and she doesn’t have a relationship with his adopted son.

[@syabilaazri7834]

No kidding. I always thought that Batgirl is more like Robin's big sister...

[@dupersuper1938]

...But this isn't such a universe.

[@andresfelipemanjarres7061]

Barbara having a cruch on batman is a Bruce Timm thing only, in the comics and any other media they only have a mentor (maybe also kind of parental) and sidekick relationship. but for some weird reason in any other story that Timm have work about batman he always ship them together, even if the rest of the fans hate the idea. case in point that terrible prelude about batgirl in the adaptation of the killing joke, specially that fan service sex scene that make a forgetable movie in to a terrible fan fiction

[@TheLucasbuck]

Batman and Batgirl become a thing in this show down the line too which is why it always confused me why people were so up in arms over the killing joke having the same relationship.

[@connorwood9211]

Cause nobody liked it in the first place. And nobody was asking for an explicit scene it in an adaption of the Killing Joke

[@dupersuper1938]

Because Timm inserted his creepy slashfic into a classic, critically acclaimed, fan-favourite story.

[@DocuzanQuitomos]

I don't dislike the Batman/Batgirl relationship; but I agree the take they gave to it in The Killing Joke wasn't asked for. And not for the sex (basically, that scene was virtually implied in this series universe). The reason why all the relationship and love triangle between Batgirl and Batman doesn't fit is because it wasn't needed in the original story in the first place: Joker is out to prove someone like Gordon can become like him and goes and shoots (and, if you choose to believe it, sexually assaults) Barbara, paralyzing her for good (at least at the time the story first was printed). What made this move very impactful wasn't the abuse, it was tha this costumed heroine, who had survived different perils and had become a valued companion of the Batfamily was seriously injured JUST BY CHANCE. True, The Joke does most things with her because she is Gordon's daughter, but if she hadn't been there, The Joker would have shot the person opening the door anyway; he wasn't aiming to especifically take her too, along with Gordon. And that's what makes her plot line more tragic and memorable. The animated film (as many films do) tried to add new material to keep audiences interested, but by creating this love triangle where Barbara debates between loving Batman, and being attracter to this bad guy, and then reaffirming his apparent feelings to Batman by fucking him unwillingly aim to one of the most questionable tropes in comics: the refrigerator girl. Because, after that roof scene, all that Batman does is to avenge the girl he just had sex with, not a colleague that just fell randomly by chance in The Joker's hands. In the comic Batman was already motivated to hunt the Joker down, and things just escalate because the Joker is playing his regular endgame (the "all it takes is one bad day" comes from this story, and he is giving a randomly very bad to everyone he is coming across). In the animated film, it's difficult not to taint all of Batman's actions with the "I'm gonna avenge you, my beloved" that, sadly, diminishes Batgirl. Even worse, the film ends partially showing all these events make Barbara grow from infatuated crime fighter to professional Oracle... and that's not even the case: Batgirl was already an accomplished professional crime fighter and worker (in her everyday life); what made the change in the character so interesting was that it was a girl, in regular circumstances facing this huge change and trauma in her life FROM THE APPARENT STRONGER VERSION than she was (she jumped between rootops, punched criminal, could go toe to toe with some of the most savage foes in Gotham... and now she is in a wheelchair; not that she is useless, but there is a significant change to fit in her life). In the comic she has to find the way to reinterpret herself after a life changing tragedy (a more universal theme) rather than just growing from "infatuated lady" to "grown woman". With all that mess of meanings and interpretations, add in the that many don't like Batman/Batgirl's relationship for different reasons (it's unethical due to the age difference, in spite they are both legal adults; it's unethical because she eventually dates Dick; it's unethical because Batman is friends with Gordon... and so on) and that was the perfect storm to make The Killing Joke unnecesarily controversial (remember, it already had a difficult sex element in it) and cringey for the average viewer (I mean, they named the third corner of the triangle "Paris France"; at least they should have made some effort in the "generic bad boy" to create the romantic turmoil in Babs' head XD).

[@Narutoanime16g]

I mean Gotham is on Earth did Calvin jsut forget that lol there’s gonna be your countries and such around it, Gotham is like next to metropolis and New York or whatever. It’s a city on earth that’s it. The batgirl x Batman stuff is so damn weird and creepy Barbra is only a few years younger than dick & Bruce is like 40 here it’s weird to go after your best friends daughter & some girlfriend tho idk when Babs & dick will get togther in this if ever

[@carn9507]

Barbara is usually older than Dick by a couple years. And Bruce is supposedly in his early to mid 30s during BTAS.

[@drewwar9344]

What are you talking about? Barbara is always older than Dick. That's why Dick and starfire are usually paired together.

[@Narutoanime16g]

In the animated series she's not she's younger than him right ? Cause he graduated college before she did and then became Nightwing, its weird that bruce and her got together@@drewwar9344

[@Gryffyth_Aurum]

You know what gets you over a 10 year age gap real quick? Thigh gap.