Bear Creek Arsenal Quality Check! 12.5" 8.6 Blackout

[@EagleRun23]

8.6 Blackout Ammo I have tested! eaglerun23.com/blog/f/the-big-ammo-list

[@bmunat]

I have several BCA uppers. I did have to replace the bolt on a 308 upper, though really, I probably would have been okay with just new gas rings. Also had the extractor break on a 7.62x39 bolt. I emailed them and they sent me a free replacement. 6.5 Grendal 18 inch stainless is heavy but looks and shoots beautifully. No terribly dramatic issues. Thank you for calling out the SHTF obsession. These are all range toys... a cheap way to try lots of calibers. I think they fill a niche and do it well. And BCA KZbin lady is cute!

[@kr3wz89]

I've had a 7.62x39 AR for about 9 years and have been through 6 extractors, so it's not just a BCA thing.

[@bmunat]

@kr3wz89 yeah I've read that the case width really is too wide for an AR-15 size bolt. It should be AR-10 size... at least the bolt face. I should probably just buy a few extractors and keep them on hand.

[@kr3wz89]

@bmunat i keep 2 in my range bag. The thin face on the bolt mixed with the steel case ammo is just asking for it, but I love that rifle

[@michaelatkin9649]

Youre the typical American. "I had to buy all new parts and waste time and money on fixing the shit product i bought, but after i did it workds pretty damn good" why not buy once and cry once.its the dumbest mentality everyone has.

[@k-dogwoofwoof9195]

I have two Bear Creek rear charging uppers. First a 556 18" fluted heavy stainless barrel 1" groups at 100 yards. Second is a 18" 450 Bushmaster that shoots very accurate as well. GREAT upper for black bears and Whitetail in Maine. You nailed it with your comment "I'm not taking it into a battle".

[@2acritter4life]

450 being accurate in general is relative.... but solid under 200 pew pew.

[@michaelshaw5687]

I am a sucker for cheap accurate ARs. I run everything suppressed so the BCA side charging uppers are great. Turn off the gas and it is a straight pull bolt gun when running subs. I now have 2 300 blks, 1 8.6 blk, 1 6.5 Grendel and a couple of 556s. The Grendel would not shoot a 4” group. BCA replaced it and the new one shoots MOA with wolf and Hornady. Oh also have a BCA 450.

[@EagleRun23]

thats what they are for! you are Bear Creeking correctly brother!!

[@95GTSpeedDemon]

Adj gas block for me too. I went for the same purpose.

[@PatriotPaulUSA]

We all need to remember Palmetto that we love had some growing pains as well. I think bear Creek had some of the same. I hope Bear Creek continues to put out some great stuff like this.

[@chris_2413]

Best get outta my way when I come walkin in with my PSA lower and bear creek upper😂. Not hate and probably will build it exactly like that.

[@stephenzimmerman193]

Exactly what i have and no issues so far! Can't wait to see how it responds to a hush stick 😅

[@jeffhuntley2921]

10:11 I’ve had a 1st gen side charging x39 handguard loosen up on me while shooting. Had to put a shim on the barrel nut because they just have Allen screws into the barrel nut to hold the handguard. Wish they offered a handguard with anti rotation tabs to replace the old setup

[@jamespollard1670]

I have two BCA uppers . A 5.56 and a 6.5 grendel . Both shoot .6 groups . I don't pay much attention to the go to war guys .

[@markzuckerberg3128]

Alot of guys hate on BCA as a coping mechanism. They struggling with credit card debt buying quality gear. Hating on cheap stuff makes them feel better about their decision.

[@EagleRun23]

@@markzuckerberg3128 tell em! I recommend everyone has a got to war gun. But not every gun has to be a go to war gun :)

[@jesseboutdoors]

Nice and in depth. I really like everything I have from BCA.

[@EagleRun23]

@@jesseboutdoors thank ya sir!

[@95GTSpeedDemon]

What i have found is marks in a barrel dont really mattee. They can still group better than most people can shoot with a good optic, much less a red dot or heavy duplex reticle.

[@EagleRun23]

@@95GTSpeedDemon true! I wouldn’t rate this barrel bad exactly. I’ll accuracy test when it gets back from CeraKote. If can barrel swap. Got a ballistic advantage and a faxon waiting.

[@95GTSpeedDemon]

@EagleRun23 so far I only had two BCA barrels that didn't shoot good. Guess what, they swap them out and The Replacements were satisfactory, like 1.5moa or better with Factory ammo most of them are more like 1 Moa or slightly better with handloads

[@IWatchedWhat]

What thread did they use for the muzzle device?

[@EagleRun23]

Should be m18-1.5 i think they all are, which is great or me, fits all my others stuff. My Aitkens barrel is 5/8 its the only outlier.

[@Matt-zx1xj]

My Diamondback uses 5/8", which sucks since Shortchop in stock at gun shop had M18

[@stephenzimmerman193]

Speaking for the 223 wylde ss upper its 1/2x28 thread. That info is stated on their website under each upper

[@Hoodbillyhomestead]

They aren't bad if you don't mind tinkering

[@Hoodbillyhomestead]

Will say my brother had a 10.5 762x39 that would not cycle because the gas block was crooked easy fix tho. It's got a super heavy profile barrel but its one of his most accurate firearms even though it's a 762x39 it shoots ridiculous groups

[@nadineherrell5426]

Comments well stated about Bear Creek. I agree. Good show! I have subcribed, you have common sense! Michael Herrell

[@EagleRun23]

@@nadineherrell5426 thank ya sir!

[@flyingrichfirearms]

I read all the comments, not a BCA Hater in the bunch! I'm very excited about BCA! You will see my builds soon!

[@erictodd9567]

I have a gen2 side charging 7.62x39 and got it when they first offered it I'd say about five years ago I think. But yeah,I bring that with me every time I go to the range which is about once a month and it's ran perfect, it kinda gets run hard too. I'd say close to 2000 rounds through it. The only bad thing I have to say is there was a little bit of play between the upper and lower but that's to be expected.

[@kennygates1756]

Got two side chargers in 243's (20 & 24") and both love the bullets .020" off the lands and will easily produce well under MOA at 100 yds with 80-100 plus grainers. Just bought a 22-250 axle and haven't received it. I also have a Grizzly and the only issue was the front same came off at the range, but BCA CS sent me another.

[@EagleRun23]

glad to see they had customer service for you! I have a grzly full size, its pretty darn good!

[@pewspaws6795]

I have had BCA and personally never had a problem now I also go through and torque check all bolts and run a heads pace gauge on all uppers. I have had some problems with uppers from some mid tier uppers and a problem with a few parts from some high end companies that I am not giving out the name for because like you said they fix it. With mass production you will have problems slip through eventually

[@EagleRun23]

@@pewspaws6795 check them out. Play with them. Enjoy them. Yes sir.

[@SpaceRanger187]

You should watch all the videos of the 3k Daniel Defenses not working.. If you haven't watched the torture test on here of the bear creek guns. They work just fine and will work just fine in war. all you have to do is take it apart clean it up and make sure everything is tight. The AR isn't some super complicated gun that has to be 100000 dollars or its not going to work in war. What a rediculous statement to even make.. let me guess you cant use a 22 in self defense.. lets see you take a 22 round to the face then also

[@pewspaws6795]

@SpaceRanger187 did you mis read my comment? I said I never had a problem with BCA personally but have had problems with mid tier and high-end products. As to your comment to the 22 in self defense yes it can turn the lights off. The 22lr debate is more about the reliability of the ammunition more that the lethality of it

[@FluffyBunnyArsenal]

I'm curious as to how it lasts as a BCA gun. I think that's really the question people have. Once you start changing the barrel, BCG, & trigger, you really have another type gun. I get it may be an idea for a base for a build, but then once you buy replacement parts, it may have been better to just buy another brand gun in a higher tier. Can you keep up with all the total cost and let us know? #curious Fun video btw.

[@EagleRun23]

mr fluffy! great point, so if thats true, then,,,,,, what makes bear creek a bear creek? Is a lower a lower? is an upper an upper? What if I cerakote it? I wasnt impressed with the barrel, I cant do much with the BCG due to side charger, but.....

[@Michigan4Conservative]

This is how I built my 8.6 blackout: Donor 243 BCA upper with a Faxon barrel and adjustable gas block. Fast forward 1.5 years and now you just buy a BCA upper.😅

[@FluffyBunnyArsenal]

@@EagleRun23 Good points sir. You're right. I guess other than lower, upper, and maybe forearm, every rifle is an amalgamation of many manufacturers. What are there, four or five barrel manufacturers? I'll have to admit, I forgot the BCG is a side charge. Everything else, I guess it depends on how much is manufactured in house by each gun company.

[@FluffyBunnyArsenal]

@@Michigan4Conservative I've considered using a PSA for the bones for a .300 BO. I've not considered BCA due to all the lore surrounding them. People get chills when you say BCA. LOL.

[@Michigan4Conservative]

@FluffyBunnyArsenal I see savings for ammo. And, given the fact I no longer shoot 400-500 rounds a week ( due to prices and lack of free time), I can't justify investing thousands into something the tyrants are always trying to take.

[@ravissary79]

How much does the whole thing weigh?

[@EagleRun23]

@@ravissary79 good question. I can weight it when it gets back

[@ravissary79]

@EagleRun23 that's always been my issue with 8.6 early on... the mainstream ar10s are HEAVY. Modern military Onnes are even worse. Hardly anyone makes an AR10 with the weight and balance of the original designs which were only half a lb heavier than the modern m4. Someone needs to do for the AR10, what the WWSD project did for the AR15. But 2 versions are needed: a simple full sized non adjustable stock lower, and a small frame, pdw type lower (ie: short tube with a built in set of slots for a pdw style brace or stock. All in carbon or glass filled high impact, super rigid form of nylon. Maybe make it SFAR or POF compatible... 🤷‍♂️

[@gavincline209]

BCA usually has insanely tight barrell nuts. They are an odd mm size also. I have a 6.5grendel from them and I actually gave up trying to get it off before it let go. After the 3FT cheater bar didn’t work!!! I just relegated it to being permanently fixed until I cut it off!! I’d bet my life on that but staying tight if I had too. Lol accuracy is great too; it will out shoot me so what more could I ask for

[@EagleRun23]

haha, I thnk the ar10 are like 35mm, 36 or something. lots of companies use that size. its really close to a 1 3/8" or a 1 7/16"

[@okist5986]

Why not test its ability to cycle subsonic ammo since the 8.6 is primarily for subsonic use?

[@EagleRun23]

@@okist5986 100% we will. It’s at CeraKote

[@Andrew-jm4tp]

I totally agree. Bear Creek is affordable enough to let you try out different calibers and barrel lengths without making a large financial commitment. It's fun. Would you rather do dinner, a movie and a few cocktails or try out a 10.5 inch 450 bushmaster upper? I know my answer.

[@EagleRun23]

thats the whole deal! yes sir. you understand the bear creek! haha

[@MamasFunkyMonkey]

Lol id take a BCA over the pellet guns i saw in ukraine at the beginning of that war

[@yetisuncle666]

Bca is fucking awesome. They used to be sloppy with qc. Not thesedays. I have 5 offerings from bca and i prefer the bca to my junky daniel defense rifles

[@EagleRun23]

sensing sarcasm

[@philipkozakjr7538]

I like Bear Creek. I have a .223 wylde and it shoots great. I'm impressed that the inexpensive can shoot great and cost so little. I like Bear Creek Arsenal and I ordered a 12.7x42 from them. It's easy to trash and put down what costs less, but it works great and will probably out last me. Expensive guns are nice to have but, why have a gun you keep in a safe. It's no good if you don't use it.

[@RTACDaughters]

[@MikeDeeee420]

my BCA 11.5 has been solid. Well over 1k rounds

[@gardnert1]

But if your AR-15 doesn't last 100,000 rounds then it's USELESS!!!

[@FierceMouse]

TROOF!

[@95GTSpeedDemon]

Bca could likely make/buy adj gas blocks wholesale and could makenit happen for $50 upgrade. I would be about that with a click style (not plain allen jam style).

[@EagleRun23]

considering what I should do here, i have a few i could swap in there, not sure yet. hope to get it back early Jan

[@trenttaylor3838]

1:15 I also love throwing a $50 bill out the window !!

[@EagleRun23]

Thanks for watching! haha thats the only way Ill recover a few bucks

[@johnevans1969]

Come on guys, any mechanical object can and will screw up. I've got them all and for the most part they all work awesome. Any maker will have issues, my favorites are ALL OF THEM.

[@bigracer3867]

My 8.6 runs great🎉🎉. Heck I would consider mine a war horse 🎉🎉. Just saying🎉🎉

[@EagleRun23]

@@bigracer3867 Woa woa!

[@SpaceRanger187]

I will take the Pepsi challenge with my BC ar15 against anyones. Its all stock just polished interals and cleaned up. I have ran 500 rounds of steel and 300 of brass and not one jam or failure.. To say no one would take it to war. you talk as if the AR is so over complicated gun.

[@EagleRun23]

dont disagree with your comment, but if you were shopping for a war gun, you would maybe make a different choice, thats my point. thanks for watching brother!

[@riccochet704]

People hate on BCA because the company is owned by criminals. They were formerly Moore Machine Company that produced hot garbage, stiffed a lot of companies on contract orders causing those companies to fold, then were busted by ICE for using illegal workers they didn't pay. None of this is fodder or lore, it's fact. It's all out in the open in legal documents. They closed down for a few years then reopened as Bear Creek Arsenal, same address, same owners. Good on them for getting their act together, but I'll never support them as they screwed over a number of people in the industry that I'm friends with.

[@EagleRun23]

@@riccochet704 that’s all news to me. I read about the illegals, but bca wasn’t charged with anything. Hmm

[@riccochet704]

@@EagleRun23 They got off by claiming they didn't know they were illegal due to forged identity documentation. They knew when they're hiring machinists at minimum wage. Their history as MMC goes back to the late 2000's in to early 2010's. Bunch of old threads on ARFCOM about them. Their stuff was out of spec garbage. Even barrel bores that didn't match the chamber, non-existent gas ports or the port on the wrong side of the barrel. They shipped this crap to vendors that obviously couldn't sell it. Then ghosted everyone and came back as BCA. If the stuff works for people now, that's cool. I just can't morally support them as I know a bunch of FFL's in NC that lost a ton of money on their crap.

[@Tokool849]

Bca’s are luck of the draw I have a few some run some you need to replace the bolts. All they tell you is keep oiling it and firing one at a time which is bs!

[@EagleRun23]

I can fix whatever as long as the lower is spec and the bcg bolt is good. Not worried about anything else

[@Tokool849]

@ anything is fixable but you shouldn’t have too

[@Pootydanglesore]

Trash tier firearms at an enticing price. Please don't make this borderline marketing material for those mouthbreathers over at BCA. You've got 62k subscribers you shouldn't be showing people this garbage. For anyone considering BCA, it would be better if you didn't.

[@EagleRun23]

@@Pootydanglesore what if I put a faxon barrel and bcg in there?

[@Pootydanglesore]

@EagleRun23 Good luck swapping the BCG in the proprietary side charger upper, but if you went through the effort that would probably be a decent rifle. The barrel is probably the only passable part on most of their guns. The only issue often being the barrel profile, they're usually heavy AF bc it's less machine time to turn.

[@bry2k]

@@EagleRun23 Faxon barrels are nothing to write home about. Get a Mos-tek.

[@EagleRun23]

@@Pootydanglesore I ran a camera down the barrel. Machining not great.

[@EagleRun23]

@@bry2k I have 3-4 MOSTEK they are very supportive

[@deathtothewageslave]

Oh and there’s dudes in east Asia stacking bodies with home built guns.

[@EagleRun23]

all of my og guns are built by me. I only started getting factory guns when my channel go bigger and companies sent them.... ha i have a stack of pigs, but no bodies btw.

[@deathtothewageslave]

@ awesome