YQ | Why 338 ARC Sucks...

Hornady recently released a new cartridge, 338 ARC. Its cool...but Kevin has some thoughts we think you should hear.

[@dumbcooky276]

“New barrel, new bolt, new mags, this will cost you a couple hundred bucks. Or you can buy our Boombox (for over $4,000)”

[@jyro6368]

Very weird to hear Q say something costing $300-400 is overpriced

[@chipsterb4946]

C’mon man! $515 for a Faxon barrel is a great deal! 😝

[@dougrichter4558]

Dude is the definition if overpriced

[@fnxtugboat3541]

There is a difference between a Bolt and BCG....

[@chipsterb4946]

@@fnxtugboat3541 of course there is. I can get a Sons of Liberty GW BCG for 6 ARC etc for $239. That’s what I run in AR-15s, and they’re solid.

[@Dr.marvello]

@@dougrichter4558no you just poor af 😢😂

[@atomicsmith]

Here after shot show where - Magpul is making ARC magazines - even PSA is making 338 guns (and many others).

[@gamerm4876]

That Psa .338 Arc MIXTAPE 😂😂 the mixtape is always better then the album 😂

[@lucasschmitz4588]

Still doesn't change that comparing 338arc to 8.6 is beyond useless it's like comparing 300blk to 8.6 338 arc from hornady with the 175gr hp is 1600ftlbs 300blk with the 110 vmax from hornady is basically 1400 not much of a real gain there not to mention how bad is the fos and energy degradation if you shorten the barrel up as that's test data for a 16in and 300blk is known to only be about 150-200fps slower out of a 10in compared to a 16in

[@ryankozarich6968]

Well, that didn't take long at all...

[@AaronSomes]

lol. Just saw 338 ARC today and was wth is that. Now here we are.

[@therealkingseekul]

We didn’t get a chance to even shoot it 😂😂😂😂

[@ryankozarich6968]

If you gents want to give it a chance, I'd say 1 in 5 twist and a pistol length gas system should treat you well.

[@matthewconnor5483]

Literally what I thought soon as I saw the title

[@Randy_84]

Bro is just made hornady won't make his 8.6 ammo lol

[@Sherzer]

Complains about $300+ bolts to make 6 arc reliable. Your bolt is $350 come on

[@zapf6987]

Nevermind that you don't need those bolts to have a reliable 6arc, you just need to run ammo that isn't pissin hot

[@ZeroDarkPrecision]

Complete BCG, Fail Zero $200, Rubber City Armory $220. Both run flawlessly. Sounds like a-lot of sour grapes.

[@TheWesman45]

To be fair, I think a lot of the cost of Q's BCG is in their two piece carrier. I think Kevin was talking about the bolt itself and for the honey badger BCG that's just a standard bolt. Still, I'd have left that out if I were him. People would make the obvious connection either way.

[@midnightrun2010]

He just sounds bitter that Hornady declined to make factory 8.6 BLK ammo.

[@LAWLESSXX88]

He probably is a little bitter, idk 🤷‍♀️. Buttt he's not wrong, 338 arc sucks. I spent alot to build mine and I hate it, it sucks donkey 🫏 goober. Sold it and apologized to my 8.6 for trying to replace it with sub par bullshit lol

[@lasthope9295]

⁠@@LAWLESSXX88 Could you share more about your experience?

[@justafloridamanfromthe75thRR]

@@LAWLESSXX88 bullshit, 338 ARC is awesome, it is 1000x better than 300BLK, except for the current availability and cost aspects (only as of now) but it is really amazing to shoot with, both the super and the sub have more energy than their 300 counterparts, the sub has 50% more energy actually, they are much flat(ter) shooting too and carrie their energy better. The standard deviation is also less so results are more consistent. I don't have experience with 8.6 BLK but it's a long action AR-10 cartridge and I'm not interested in AR-10s so I don't care. However switching to 338 ARC from 300BLK was one of the best choices ever

[@LAWLESSXX88]

@lasthope9295 I bought a barrel, mags, and bolt for 338arc, spent more than I wanted lol. But maybe I shouldn't have been so harsh in my previous comment. The 338arc is really good but with my experience (the magazine is a issue and caused me feed problems, just like the 6.5 grendel great but the magazines suck for a AR) . Now I would diffently try it with a bolt action (I got a ruger american ranch rifle 6.5 grendel with a heat seeker chassis and I absolutely love my scout rifle build) . I also recently got the Bear Creek 8.6blk 12" AR10 and it runs great. With the curved mag, the 338arc and 6.5 grendel are not best suited for ar15, but bolt guns or ak platforms would be great. And when it comes to 300blk, I'm just a super fan (I hunt, defend, and edc with my little suppressed 300blk)

[@lasthope9295]

@ thank you for sharing, I did hear about the new bear creek upper in 8.6 blk that’s runs about $300. Heard a lot about how bear creek Doesn’t make the best quality stuff. I know you kinda already answered it, but have you ran into any issues with it, accuracy, feeding, etc.

[@bobd.5905]

How is this guy so out of touch with our current economy? The fact is that not only is the AR-15 platform more modifiable and less expensive, the 338 ARC will put more energy on target than the 300 blk which is it's main competitor not the 8.6 blk. "Instead of buying an AR-15 you should pay $4400 for my new SBR that the ammo costs at minimum $2/rd." I own 2 6mm ARC AR-15's and I can tell that this guy has never shot one based on his "facts". Kevin, you are out of touch, and wrong about so many things in this video. Somehow this feels more like a Tony Gonzales attack ad than an informative video.

[@stephanieandjared390]

Thats easy... Being on the internet.

[@MyNameJif]

Does he only comment on his personal account so it doesn’t highlight that the channel commented?

[@mylesharvey6488]

​@@kevinbrittingham6774literally everything Duramag is more reliable than 5.56!

[@pat5714]

​@@kevinbrittingham6774I love the 8.6, but I've shot thousands of rounds of 6arc without shearing a single bolt, and I don't have any issues with standard Grendel mags, I'm not interested in .338 Arc, my.458 SC is probably more viable for AR-15 (except for the recoil.... 1:3 is great, and the same kind of pain in the ass you slap on the arc, I'm very limited on reloading (at least cheap enough to practice much) but I still love it... But I've yet to get very consistent fps out of hand loads or manufactured subsonic ammo, but I love the exit wounds when I shoot hogs it's definitely destructive I both love it and hate it and I'm probably going to get a divorce if I keep feeding it lol

[@iamspeare]

Complaining about needing a $300 - $400 bolt when yours sells for $350...

[@motocracy4828]

You have to pay for those African hunting trips somehow! Seriously, the level of cognitive dissonance and/or dishonesty in this video is cringe level. Apparently, he hasn't looked at his own company's product pricing line numbers at all.

[@stephanieandjared390]

@iamspeare no shit. Hes one of those Brads from highschool that thought he was wayyyyy cooler than he was. Hes an old man, talking on repeat about how he started aac and got the boot, hes the most innovative human who ever lived, and everyones stuff but his sucks. Its lame

[@CalebGoldsberry]

Q is selling a whole BCG (and not run of the mill) for $350. Just the bolt itself in these materials is $300-$400 not counting your carrier. That is what he is talking about.

[@iamspeare]

@@CalebGoldsberry I haven't seen them, any evidence that they are costing that? My point would still remain that him saying it's a serious con for a standard part to cost more than the norm is hypocritical.

[@CalebGoldsberry]

@@iamspeare I just found an LMT enhanced just bolt for $379. Could probably find it cheaper out there, and obviously you can get cheapos for $100, but again that’s just the bolt, not the whole BCG.

[@LRRPFco52]

6.5 Grendel has 131 loads for Factory ammunition as of today. Up from 127 for 2023-2024. There are a lot of companies making barrels, firearms, and magazines for it both in the AR and Micro actions like the Howa. Hornady just dropped a new 90gr CX load for Grendel, after the relatively-new 100gr ELD-VT. Every major ammunition manufacturer makes 6.5 Grendel except Winchester.

[@LDR1100RS]

You heard him; "...the Grendel which never really took off." ROTFLMAO!

[@FederalPacificEh]

Can’t imagine why AAC would be making it.

[@LRRPFco52]

@@FederalPacificEh It was the highest demand cartridge for them to make after 5.56 I think. They have 123gr Black Tip, 123gr BTHP, & 123gr FMJ. They also have a 200rd ammo can SKU.

[@Sidekick_Snowman]

Grendel is more popular than 8.6 BLK

[@FederalPacificEh]

@@LRRPFco52sorry bro it was all sarcasm. I shoot Grendel almost exclusively.

[@jacobmead2262]

Lmao. 6 arc didn’t take off? Please. Even 6.5 Grendel is getting more and more popular.

[@LRRPFco52]

I just did a fresh count of factory 6.5 Grendel options, and it went from 127 to 131, with Hornady's new 90gr CX load. AAC just added 3 factory options this year for $13.99-$14.99/box.

[@ayegame2424]

not at all. can barely even get a gun in it anymore

[@bobd.5905]

@@ayegame2424 Depends on your area. I visited a gun shop in a Hog heavy hunting area and 6.5 Grendel stuff was everywhere. They luckily carried my 6 ARC stuff as well but not in the same quantity. 6.5 Grendel is still big but I do think with the 6.5 CM and 6mm/22 ARC, 300 blk options you will notice that some companies will abandon some of their options and slim their product lines down.

[@mostpopularpresidentever]

the 6 arc is absolutely a lead balloon

[@zacharyyoung3834]

6.5 Grendel renaissance is well underway.

[@trumpwon20204]

Howa 1500 mini action has entered the room

[@angusmotorsports4715]

How many Howa 1500s can you get for the price of a Fix?

[@C0D3studios]

I can’t wait for one to come out

[@TrashAnyway]

​@@angusmotorsports4715 3 or 4

[@chadperry4021]

@@angusmotorsports4715base model 1500 mini is 529 msrp while the fix is 3300. So with optics or option at least 6 howa’s. The aftermarket for the mini is huge. I feel the real value is buying used or buying a barreled action from brownell’s and adding a quality wood, fiberglass or carbon fiber stock. Right now it could get a 20” carbon fiber barreled 6.5 Grendel and get a 20oz stocky’s carbon fiber stock. And be able to get a companion 6arc and put quality glass on both for less than the fix.

[@Bubbybub0077]

@@angusmotorsports4715 About 5-10

[@rutrose2000]

You just know he was wearing sandals when he made this.

[@HighSpeedFudd762]

“The only mini bolt is the Q fix” bro has never heard of the Howa mini action?

[@realfnneato3111]

Kevin has only heard of the guns that he invented

[@orintomczyk7465]

6mm ARC not a 1000 yard cartridge? I want whatever this dude's smoking.

[@orintomczyk7465]

Shooting berger 109 gr LR hybrid I get roughly 2700 fps at the muzzle. At 1000 this yields about 450 ft-lbs of energy. That is absolutely enough to be deadly. For comparison, 77gr OTM 5.56 out of a 16" barrel is also about 450 ft-lbs but at 500 yards. Unless of course you say that isn't enough to kill either.

[@Abattoir667]

No you don’t, because if you did, you’d put out dumb videos like this one.

[@EssPhour]

​@@orintomczyk7465 Barrel length you are using for the Berger numbers? And a bolt or gas gun?

[@orintomczyk7465]

@@EssPhour 24" on a Seekins DMR

[@PrimedCase41]

​@kevinbrittingham6774 It will easily kill at that distance, it produces as much energy at 1000 as a 5.56 does at 500, and if you think 5.56 can't kill at 500 then you should go see how far the USMC shoots for range qualification

[@greatdane3343]

Is he really not aware of the Howa Mini Action?

[@MassJass]

There are so many mini bolt guns nowadays...

[@kirkmartin2223]

I can think of ruger, howa and CZ all making a factory PPC bolt face. The biggest difference for most people between the Q stuff and a howa mini action is an extra zero in the price tag

[@MassJass]

@@kirkmartin2223 the Ruger American is one of the most popular bolt guns on the planet

[@ryantogo8359]

You misunderstand him. He's not ignorant, he's dishonest.

[@LGB-FJB]

This is supposedly a new cartridge, but the 338 Razorback and 338 Spectre have been out for years.

[@BFnKC]

Kinda like the 300 whisper…

[@jonathanrogers9961]

yup, and I was hoping somone would take them mainstream for a long time.

[@blantant]

Exactly

[@Dexter-nw2fe]

I bet you think 8.6 blackout is revolutionary

[@LRRPFco52]

338 ARC is actually old, dates back to 2016 for DoD requests from certain unnamed entities who wanted longer range subsonic performance that was really consistent, unlike 300 Whisper. The problem with 300 whisper is you can get it running reliably but not subsonic or subsonic but not reliably In cold weather conditions, and it's very inconsistent with how groups. Terminal performance sucks as well when you shoot subs. Guess who worked on 300 Whisper systems for UK SF way back in the day?

[@JNOSNOW]

I find it amusing to hear "reliable" and "Q" in the same sentence.

[@JohnFarrell-l5b]

Don’t talk about his products, He’ll block you on social media

[@CaptainCreampie69]

None of my 4 Q guns have had a single problem. HB, mini fix, sugar weasel or Fix. As a matter of fact I’ve not had a single problem with any of my guns that isn’t user induced, like limp wristing a USP, a handgun that many say along with Glock and the MK23 (all which I have as well) are the most reliable in the world.

[@JNOSNOW]

I'm glad you got good ones. Probably helps when you're constantly busting nuts in them

[@JNOSNOW]

What social media? KZbin comments are as far as I go with that shit.

[@JohnFarrell-l5b]

@@JNOSNOW it’s a joke, because kevins a man child and can’t take constructive criticism

[@robinsonarmamentco.1621]

Interesting points made. We are offering our XCR-M in 8.6 Blackout. It's a pleasure to shoot. Some of Qs points are valid. (BTW, we make the best 6mm ARC because our bolt holds up and it works great with ASC mags.) Anyway, we love the 8.6 Blackout and we'll probably make the .338 ARC too.

[@dwrr4868]

Iv'e been thinking about a rifle that is not only Quiet but able to take down large game. I was looking at the CMMG descent untill I seen the XCR-M. I dont know exactly why but the 8.6 XCR-M seems to me to be the "ONE" kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHWqqqOwn6aSb9U

[@CharlesTheDachshund]

Looks like magpul came out with the solution already 😂

[@realfnneato3111]

Kevin is such an enlightened individual i bet his suppressors are totally innovative and not just standard baffle stacks barely acceptable for form1!

[@RAWBOT301]

If you cant afford 338 arc, get a new job Kevin.

[@NotTarget]

The 6mm ARC was specifically developed for use in gas guns at the request of the DoD and is currently being used by various special forces units. But you claim the system "wasn't good enough for the military"... Sure, keep telling yourself that.

[@CaptainCreampie69]

What special forces groups? I don’t think one has been seen in the wild? You see 300 blackout all the time with those same guys. That’s the thing with the gun industry, everything that fits in an AR was “made for a special forces group.” I personally don’t care if some tattooed guy with a beard who shoots steroids uses it, is it reliable and accurate. The whole “hurr durr military uses it durr” thing is so cheesy. It’s like chill out Elmer Fudd, you shoot deer at 100 yards max and maybe shoot 2 boxes of ammo a year.

[@jonathanrogers9961]

6arc was adopted by socom based on what little I could find.

[@TheRealBat-mh7ju]

​@@CaptainCreampie69 Geissele website just says department of defense

[@LRRPFco52]

Certain elements within DOD wanted SR-25 performance but in the AR15 package. Working with Hornady, they ran through a series of exercises from different shooting positions, scenarios, and structures with 12 inch to 18 inch 6.5 Grendels. They were asked if any of the scenarios that they ran through would have been better with the SR25 and they all said no. Hornady said they could tweak it to make it a little better, necked it down to 6 mm (which had already been done), called their's 6mm ARC. Hornady, Noveske, Proof, & Geissele didn't respond to these DoD entities as some marketing stunt. It's all a very real program. KAC is even making 6mm ARC SR-15s now. KAC doesn't mess with non-DoD cartridges.

[@Problematicbehavior]

@@CaptainCreampie69dudes in the middle east are currently running 14.5 (cant specify brand) also geissele which the gfr was designed around the contract rifle that was competing against (unspecified brand). These two brands have numerous rifles oversees chambered in 6arc

[@J0nnyKiiD]

Been waiting for this. 😂

[@WLogan84]

I wanted a 338 Spectre, but it uses 6.8 SPC mags, and I don’t have and. However, I already have a 6.5 Grendel and 6mm ARC and the $17 E-Lander Grendel mags work fantastic, so the 338 Arc is a great fit for me

[@Mrgunsngear]

🍿

[@ArcChain]

😎

[@zac480]

I shoot over 1k yards out of my 12.5” 6 arc all day . Runs reliably in grendel mags and ive never had an issue … should have just came out and said i dont know shit about 6 arc . Because clearly you dont

[@LRRPFco52]

I've been shooting my 12" Grendel suppressed regularly since 2017. I 1st-round connected with it at 900yds on a 2 MOA plate, which was crazy. Such a fun, easy little AR to carry and shoot. It's one of eight that I have.

[@timtruelove7214]

This does feel like a copium response

[@MrTater192]

What about the cmmg dissent 338 arc?

[@WVGunsNGoats]

So you’re saying i cant get a Mini fix in .338 arc? Lol. Howa makes a micro bolt gun as well. The cartridge hasnt even been out more than a week.

[@ryansmith8372]

The 8.6 will be the 300 Whisper after you came out with 300 Blackout. Pretty much gone. The Howa mini in 338ARC is going to kill the 8.6. Way smaller and lighter same capabilities with 300gr subs and really good with 175 supers. No neck turning and the nightmare of brass and reloading issues like 8.6. Kevin the 8.6 was a flop. To much case capacity for subs and to little to be a good super sonic gun. 1:3 has so much spin drift it's ridiculous at long range. I spent 3k chasing the 8.6 and never could achieve good accuracy and a really quiet sub sonic that was accurate. I then found the 338 Spectre and it solved all the 8.6 issues that was out there. This is basically a saami 338 Spectre and will kill the 8.6 in the long run. Yeah I'm not a fan of a 1:8 but I also think the 1:3 sucks. A 1:5 or 1:6.5 will be the go to for when guys have custome barrels made. 8.6 is about to be the thing of the past just like 300 blackout. Figure out a good 375 round and maybe you can a winner again like you were with the 300 blackout. Also as far as the AR15 mags being curved 6.5 Grendal has done great and it's the same mags and bolt face. 6arc has really taken off and seems to be great also same mags and boltface. Ar15 is cheaper, easier, and lighter. Just wait and watch what happens.

[@LRRPFco52]

It's obvious that's why the video was made. He's smart enough to recognize what happened. I'm not hating just pointing out what it appears to be.

[@BlackDogOriginal]

Nah

[@z987k]

375 raptor exists and pretty much takes care of the 375 diameter sub cartridge.

[@felixruiz4141]

PWS seems to be working with Hornady just for their Mod 2. I already have a Fix. I am curious about how the 338 ARC will perform. Time will tell I guess. Also, the 6ARC has been a hit in mil, currently deployed in the field. Ask Noveske, Proof, and JP.

[@SoTwissted]

I have been using the Grendel for years. The Sharps bolts and the JP bolts I have had no issues. I do agree with some of your issues. But buying magazines for the application is apart owing the gun. I do agree with the high twist. My Nemo Watchmen is proof of that.

[@killacamfoo]

Not sure if Hornady will love you back after this one.

[@zacharyschellinger4769]

Where can one obtain hybrid powder or restricted capacity cases for 8.6 blk to hand load for better SD’s in subsonic ammunition? If 338 ARC magazines need to be restricted for reliable feeding what’s the mag capacity of 8.6 blk? If both are 20 rounds then what’s the difference. What’s cheaper buying a 338 ARC upper or a large frame AR for 8.6? Hornady had multiple compelling reasons for not going all in on 8.6 and no other major ammo manufacturers seem to be disagreeing with them.

[@tonyzhu403]

The whole comparison between 8.6BLK and 338ARC juse seems wrong. AR Standard Action VS AR Long Action. (Or Bolt Mini Action VS Short Action) Not the same application. The 300BLK VS 338ARC Comparison seems more valid at least.

[@william16845]

The Grendel/Arc family of cartridges are awesome.I have them in bolt and gas guns,the 338 though and I have little interest because I like hitting steel that's far away,not 250-300 max. As of yet I've had no reliability issues in gas guns,and that is both dirt cheap and top tier builds. Yes it would be nice if there was more magazine options on the market. I hand load and that gives me a big advantage when it comes to cost. If I didn't have that skill alot of cool things would probably wouldn't be very feasible cost wise in comparison to just shooting 556 or 308..The 22arc is my newest build and that thing with a high bc projectile is a sweet little machine.ill always love 556 because its cheap and still has the real world capability to get shit done on a budget. The 338arcs future is yet to be determined. As for the rest of the 6.5 Grendels offspring ,they're growing in popularity and hopefully we see more ammo and products on the market.

[@colbunkmust]

Nothing to do with 338 ARC, but the current micro bolt-gun that CZ makes has... a fully collapsing stock, alum chassis, uses AR-15 magazines, has a threaded barrel and 12 o'clock pic rail with 3, 6, and 9 M-lok plus an AR style safety and a 60 degree bolt throw...

[@jamesbridges7750]

Kevin talking about restricted case capacity gave me flashbacks of drilling resin filled 308 cases😂

[@tonyzhu403]

Micro Bolt Guns. Ruger American Ranch Mossberg MVP Howa Mini Action No, they don't fold. Still Mini Actions.

[@jeffreygwaltney9498]

I've made it 2:30 in and you have lost me. Duramag 6.5 grenel mag even the curved 26rd exceptionally reliable. Actually I would say as reliable as any straight 556 mag I've shot. Yea they work contrary to belief, but you are the expert. Bolt face i can see where an uninformed person wouldn't realize noveske sells an upgraded dlc bolt for $100 which may be alot but nothing compared to 3k for a honey badger fit for a school girl. Maybe that was to far but how this works is you develop a cartridge that shows promise on "paper" and then test it. Obviously it's a hammer and subsonic deviation is sub 10 which on paper is incredible. So I'm excited thanks for your expert opinion

[@onarampage247]

I just wish Q would make their stuff affordable like Hornady and then the masses could enjoy it.

[@online247365]

We all wish it was possible but: Q wouldn't be able to make their awesome, cutting edge stuff without incurring a LOT of costs through R&D and purchasing new tooling and/or machining equipment. *In my best Kevin from Q voice* "...and that's why." 😉

[@onarampage247]

@@online247365haha lots of R&D on safari in Africa, huh. Well anyway then most of us financially responsible people will stick with Hornadys inferior products then.

[@Yoda052]

Can you point me to the Hornady rifle link ? By the way, Hornady lists dies for 338 ARC, but ZERO load data.

[@onarampage247]

Hornady isn't a rifle manufacturer. I would think you knew that by watching the video. But all major rifle manufacturers sell rifles in cartridges they make. Can't say that about Q designed cartridges though. Very niche and in my opinion not worth the money. But yuppies will always need the newest gear to compensate for crappy shooting skills.

[@theguardian4376]

Just save your money Magic ain’t cheap 🎉

[@zershyn]

TLDR: My Expensive shit is better than other peoples not so expensive shit, because you have to have special things or special modifications. So buy my specially modified stuff...

[@adamhorr8492]

338 Spectre, i also still enjoy and have no reliability issues with my 6.8 spc

[@joem6779]

6.8 spc so under rated,

[@midwestbd7144]

It sure would be nice to have an 8.6blk if ammo was being manufactured and gun companies made guns besides Q. As soon as pre fit barrels come it stock for bolt rifles I’m going to try the 338 arc

[@Hades16899]

You could have stopped at the magazine as far as it goes for my reasons. Thx for the video.

[@NicolasDesmonts]

I guess the market will decide which is selling best or at least which is suited best for which customer. The 300 whisper was invented in the early nineties, it took almost two decades and a transformation to 300 BO to get decent projectiles that expend at subsonic speeds and that are widely available in factory cartridges. I did fall for the 8.6 BO hype and I was hoping to get a descent subsonic cartridge with more grunt than the 300. I was also hoping to get 300m subsonic hunting capabilities with it. So I built myself a rifle on a tikka t3 base. Formed and neck turned good brass , tried to develop loads as good as possible. Also played with some 160 Barnes . Accuracy is there with the supersonic 160’s. But in subsonic with some makers bullets ,for the moment it is no better than my 300bo. It kind of makes it a 150 m viable round for hunting and that is it. At 300m I get almost 2feets of vertical spread on the same vertical line due to speed variations. So far a bit disappointing. I am going to persevere a bit more , I just got some adg brass and I’m hoping to tighten my groups at 300m, but I was honestly considering making my own wildcat based on the ARC or 7.62x39 case shorten down ( look up 338 scorpion, it has already been made. There is also a 338 Lehigh that went nowhere it seems). Now, hornady has answered my prayer , and I am actually looking forward to building a rifle in that new cartridge. My hope is to be able to reduce that velocity spread that I am getting with the 8.6 bo. It will more likely be based on a howa mini action. It is going to take at least a year or two for the industry to adapt, get better magazines for that new round and get better brass manufacturers than hornady to make descent stuff. And more barrels available with the right twist and get the price of the reamer down ! It is currently $270 for a manson reamer and $70 for a go gauge ! I guess they are surfing on the novelty. Good luck to Q, good luck to hornady,as I said ,at the end the market will decide.

[@K-bob_45]

Seeing uncle Kev so animated sparks joy. Also where can the reduced capacity cases be purchased? This seems like a great product for 8.6 and 308 subs. Trail boss is non existent

[@deno2566]

RIP Trailboss. Wish there was a substitute.

[@zapf6987]

Trail Boss is being made again, give it some time to work it's way from the overseas manufacturer

[@deno2566]

@@zapf6987really?! You just made my day!

[@danielllewellyn5720]

Yeah, where has all the Trail boss been the last few years?

[@caffeineandphilosophy]

Speaking as a 338 Spectre owner: Pros of the 338 ARC: - Smaller frame receiver (also, often a more reliable receiver) [does not apply to bolt guns] - Less spin drift (relative to 8.6) = more accuracy (kind of) Cons of the 338 ARC: - Less spin = not *quite* as destructive terminal performance - Less case-capacity for more powerful supersonics TBH, price is such a non-issue. Anyone shooting funky sub/hybrid guns with weird, non-308/5.56 rounds is already paying money, not to mention suppressors, SBR tax stamps (maybe), and proprietary premium for rounds, either from Q or Southern Ballistics Research or whomever. Saving $50 on a bolt is pennies, when you're already $1500 in gear over a normal AR. My 16" barrel from SBR was about $400, my YHM 9mm suppressor and adaptor + tax stamp came out to about $850, and the 6.8 bolt face (you don't need a whole new bolt) came with the barrel -- I have a pretty low-end spectre, and that was still $1250, most of which was the suppressor. It's the ammo that's expensive, but Halworx makes reasonably priced sub rounds now, and it's not like 8.6 BLK is cheap. The spectre runs fine with 6.8 SPC mags. Maybe ARC is different in requiring a new bolt, and not just a face... and I guess different mags? But then it becomes a question of 338 ARC vs Spectre. TL;DR, if you're making an AR, run 338 ARC or Spectre. If you're running a bolt gun, there's basically no reason not to just run 8.6 BLK.

[@VincePutnam]

The AR bolt will work more reliably in the AR15 with 338 ARC than with 5.56 mil spec. The pressure that the subsonic 338 ARC uses is only 30,000 psi compared to 58,000 psi for the 5.56. Even supersonic, the 338 ARC is 52,000. 338 ARC gives you a smaller and lighter platform and more consistent velocity because of the case capacity.

[@joootooobboosheet2486]

The ONLY reason not to like the 338 ARC is the price per round is 3X the price of 300 BO. Other than that....Oh, you can only fit 25 rounds in the same size mag as the 300 BO magazine. LOL, basically, it is a better round, it's just a lot more expensive.

[@joootooobboosheet2486]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 Wow, great comment. I know it took you a full day to come up with that one.

[@joootooobboosheet2486]

@ Heavier projectile than 300 blackout (307 grain vs 200 grain), better for suppression, generates more energy on target. The 338's case is designed for subsonic rounds, meaning there is less void/air in the case than a 300 blackout, which also gives it more accuracy the further the bullet travels. That is because the 300 blackout powder may only fill around 25% of the casing with the subsonic rounds, leaving an inconsistent burn, and thus, less accurate round. I love the 300 blackout round. I have 2 rifles chambered for 300 BO. The 338 is a better round. Cry harder.

[@joootooobboosheet2486]

@ 1) Most people don't load their own rounds. You're most likely stuck with 200 grian projectiles for 300 BO. For those who are loading their own rounds....great. I'm sure you can do the same for 338 and have better results. Moot point. 2) Enlighten me on case capacity and powder burn for the 300 BO. If you can show me something that states that 300 BO doesn't only use about 25% of the case for powder in the subsonic rounds, then post. 3)Any 175 grain bullet in 338 is supersonic. I just went on ammoseek and found a bunch of different suppliers. 4) Requires new mag and bolt??? LOL!! SO DOES 300 BO IF YOU DON'T ALREADY HAVE ONE. That is a moot point. Most people have a 5.56 AR. There technically is a difference in 300 BO vs 5.56 mags, but a 5.56 mag will still feed a 300 BO. However, your only viable argument is that you would need new magazines if you're swapping out a 5.56 for 338. The bolt and barrel would both have to be changed if you're going from a standard 5.56 to either caliber. You must eat paint. Nobody is naturally as dumb as you are.

[@joootooobboosheet2486]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 LOL, nice one. I didn't even catch the BCG trick statement. Yes, the BCG is the same. The barrel is NOT. And, technically, neither are the mags.

[@jakeeames725]

I like the 6 arc for hunting tho

[@BoltActionsOnly]

Seen this coming. Popcorn time.

[@bass3003]

LWRC did the work to make 6.8SPC reliable. A magazine for the cartridge and its less than half the price of the Geissele ARC mag. SAMMI spec 338 Spectre. There's a platform already waiting for it.

[@jimmybranks8359]

Haven't seen reliability issues with 6arc. With the geisselie mags and a properly placed gas port it seems to be good to go. JP, lantac,geissele bolt face should be plenty tough enough for longevity.

[@thatguybeforetech5909]

Only come to see after watching the unsub podcast and got curious about ur opinion on this new caliber that doesn't meet par with the two Q has backed. Got the answer I was looking for lol. Also, I love my 6.8spc2 lol. It only took Magpul, Hornady, and PSA, to try and make this 338 arc decent, making a mag, gun, bolt and lwrc Magpul mags and lwrc receivers. Took 4 companies to make what Q has lol

[@GraveyardJack]

Grendel didn’t catch on??? News to me, I have five.

[@GraveyardJack]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 WTF are you even talking about? There is no 6.5 ARC.

[@GraveyardJack]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 Where is it? I find no reference to it at all. There's over 130 factory loads available for the Grendel. Tell me again how it didn't catch on?

[@GraveyardJack]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 What's a 7.5Grendel? First thing's first, where this 6.5 ARC you spoke about? A search at Buds Guns yields 100 results. Ruger, CZ, PSA, Howa, etc.. I have a Ruger, three AR's that I built plus an SSK barrel for my Contender. Everything from a single shot pistol to a boltgun and multiple AR's. Maybe you just don't know what you're talking about?

[@Matteo_]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 Federal, Hornady and PSA or rather JJE. Capital’s AAC ammo produce a 6.5 Grendel round. Those three alone are more than enough. But then there is also PPU, Barnes/Remington, and Nosler.

[@Matteo_]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 _“No, that’s why it’s rebranded to ARC”_ No, Grendel has not been rebranded. The ARC family of cartridges are Hornady’s SAAMI approved family of cartridges based on a modification to the Grendel cartridge case. So it literally cannot be a rebranded cartridge. Even if Hornady were to come out with a 6.5 ARC. The case would be shorter. Lest we have another 6.5 Grendel, .264 LBC debacle.

[@perditionluc]

Claiming 6.5 grendel never took off is highly inaccurate statement. If you cant be honest about something so simple, i wonder what else you're lying about.

[@patricktotzke7643]

Howa mini action. Maker Rex sub bullets, expand to 400pfs

[@BrapBang]

Pros according to Hornady for the 338 ARC: -Chamber pressures in sub and supers are closer together so it easier to make a rifle function with both rounds. This is in contrast to 300 BLK and 8.7 BLK -Smaller case means powder fills the case in subsonic loads, resulting in lower SDs and ES and more subsonic accuracy. -Barrel is not fast twist; wider choice of bullets/no risk of blowing up cans if a bullet comes apart

[@Steelrunner]

Totally disagree. I've had a 6.5 Grendel and currently have both a .22 ARC and 6mm ARC all use the same magazines, and Bolt faces... I've had nothing but reliable feeding, firing, and extraction after thousands of rounds. And the bolts are all still in excellent condition. .338 ARC is no doubt going to be just as reliable. Plus it's going in an AR-15 size gun, And is going to be more affordable than 8.6 Blackout which requires an AR-10 size bcg and reciever, and the .338 ARC is no doubt going to be more readily available than 8.6... I can go down to any of my local gun stores right now and get any of the ARC cartridges, in contrast i have seen very little 8.6 Blackout on the shelves, very rarely... The best thing about ammo companies creating new cartridges is they actually support what they are producing by getting it out on the shelves and Hornady does that extremely well... If it does take off why don't you all build a Honey Badger in the .338 ARC? It's already got an adjustable gas block, so a barrel and bolt is all it would need. And since you use high quality parts and .338 ARC isnt going to be a high pressure round the idea that the bolt is in danger of failure is moot especially if you use high quality materials like you do.

[@justhuntvids5898]

As a nearly 20-year gun writer, here's my take. I have zero issues with curved Duramag magazines for Grendels, 6.8 SPCs and 6mm/22 ARC cartridges. They also feed very well out of these magazines with properly built rifles. Grendel bolts are a dime a dozen. They're everywhere. Pshh. THE 300 BLACKOUT IS A SHIT ROUND... own that. I'm working o. A project with th 8.6 BO and do like it. Yes it's a larger AR platform. I'm looking forward soon. To another project with a small-frame platform and the 338 ARC. I've already seen this new round hammer pigs and it's insanely quiet suppressed. Also the rifle on the hunt with us ran like a sewing machine -- same with every 6mm/22 ARC I've built. I'm guessing the only con is what it means in competition to your 8.6 BO. This is the real reason for the vid, right? Again, I like the 8.6 BO, but I also like the 338 Federal. Did Federal do a baseless slam video about your 8.6 BO? No. I like your stuff but this vid is a bad look.

[@ehornad]

Ammo.... i just picked up 7 boxes of 338arc at LGS, $34ea

[@tobyn7649]

Kevin, my 6mm ARC work great. I use the 6.5 Grendel 10 round mags. I also use the 6.5 Grendel for hunting. Both these cartridges are great in my gas guns. My 6.8 SPC also shoots great, use it for hog hunting...DRT. Not sure why you are hating on these cartridges...Do I shoot thousands of rounds? no I do not, but I do shoot hundreds of rounds and all three of these guns work perfectly and are extremely accurate. Not so sure bashing the competition is a good look. I came hear looking for some good information and it appears your opinion and emotions have taken the place of good information.

[@TROOPERfarcry]

338 ARC fits into an AR-15. Yes, other modifications are necessary, but it's still an AR-15 versus an AR-10. _That's a HUGE difference to the paying public._

[@ronaldtrask3444]

My Reaction Prior to Listening (same comment removed from another channel not to be mentioned) 1. Your cartridge’s ability to fit in a micro / mini action is not a flex for several reasons: A. What does micro length get you, besides kind but disingenuous statements from your wife? How much weight and bolt stroke does it save, not enough for anyone to notice. B. Most manufacturers have discontinued this length. In factory made guns we have HOWA making a pseudo micro length and Ruger Ranch which is just modified short action. Q’s bolt gun is the only one I know of that would fit the actual traditional definition. C. Most true micro-length actions are going to be semi-builds based off existing actions that require opening the bolt face, this means cost a weak bolt faces. D. What combination of modern chassis and micro-length actions exist? Besides the modification of gas gun to bolt action or straight pull? I have nothing against traditional micro-Mausers like the M85 but consumers are moving away from that toward a newer set of solutions. Enjoy your 90-bolt homie I did my time with Mausers and like modern chassis bolt guns. D. Now we are back to the magazine issue. I bet 5.56 AICS magazine will work moderately well. AR Pattern mags, not so much. 2. It’s awesome this new cartridge fits in an AR15 gas gun. Except it doesn’t. It will require a new bolt (more to follow) and new magazine (more to follow) A. Requires non-standard AR-15 bolt face. 220 Russian bolt face cartridges in gas guns break bolts, anyone who has used these cartridges for anything more than limited square range have broken bolts. Plural, multiple bolts. This is going to require a serious user to purchase an exotic bolt. B. 220 Russian based cartridges suck. Their curve means they do not fit and index the same way a 5.56 user is used to carrying and indexing magazines. Their reliability is caliber dependent, what works best for your 6 ARC, which are lower capacity, never in stock and $100 bucks may not work for the 338 ARC. C. SUBX bullets in the 300 Blackout at least have required some modifications to feed for reliable feeding, will this be the case with the 338? 3. 338 ARC will be relegated for these reasons to a casual user (boomers…cough cough) cartridge. The ARCS are a good try to get maximum performance from AR15 Gas Guns. They pale in comparison to what the 6mm Creed, 6.5 Creed and 8.6 are getting out of SR25 pattern with literally just a barrel change. Cartridge designers need to work with rifle manufacturers not expecting the opposite. Small Frame SR25s are rapidly being developed by great gun makers (not Ruger) no need to create make work solutions anymore. 4. Though I haven’t used it on game I have friends who have used the SUBX bullet from a 30-30 (primitive twist rate) the wound channels and retention where very impressive. From a modern twist rate and larger diameter these bullets will have awesome performance. But these are still older lead-based bullets. You made a 1-8 twist barrel, congrats on waking up from your comma and catching up to 2012 tech. Waith until you hear about Zyn Pouches! 5. Many hunters, for very good reasons, are moving toward monolithic bullets, so should you. If you need mag dump into trash ammo there is plenty of Turkish 5.56 available. 6. 338 ARC’s super-sonic bullet is shaped like the late 1800s attempts to modernize a revolver bullet and the SUBx bullet is literally one of the weakest constructed “premium” bullets on the market. Come on! We aren't solving for already solved problems we are stacking the deck with “ARC” labeled cartridges. I love the 8.6 blackout cartridge and have loaded different flavors and shot multiple SR25 patterns rifles in it. When my health gets better, and I can work more hours I am getting a fix in it. 338 ARC ain’t it boys. No to see what Q has to say.

[@Matteo_]

FWIW I have zero issues with the 8.6 or any Q products. The 338 ARC is made for AR15's. So different, ie smaller "platform" with the inherent limitations that come with choosing to go with that option. The 8.6 as stated in the video can offer heavier load options for subs. While there may be overlap between the two. They are not the same and limitations and benefits exist for both. In the end the market will decide. And that is fine by me. However, outside of honest opinions stated, there has been some blatant misinformation stated. And that is not "kosher" so to speak.

[@Matteo_]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 Misinformation? Cost of a bolt. Mag geometry "full curve" requirements. Those two ready came to mind. Or benefits and detractions? Everything has benefits and detriments. There is no free lunch, nothing is perfect.

[@layline09]

might be a dumb question but why state 1:3 twist is best when all of yours are 1:5......?

[@dukachu885]

Just heard about 338 arc today don't really care about it but definitely wanna pick some brains on a concept for a rifle might already be something out there like it that I don't know about but "integrally suppressed bullpupped scout rifle meant to be light weight and long range" anything like that out there?

[@harteverett]

I mean I did an 8.6blk, I like it , pros-it will handle much heavier and longer cases than my 338 Federal, good energy on target, can be made from 22-250 and .6.5 creedmoor cases, cons-limited to either light for caliber all copper projectiles (expensive) or heavy standard jacketed projectiles (expensive) , time consuming reloading process as most 6.5 cases necks will need turning to allow reliable chambering, powder capacity / load ratio is excessive (excess volume) leaving room for error. Still not plentiful on shelves. I love the Grendel and so tho the 338 ARC won’t give me something I don’t already have I’ll build one cause it’ll give me something I have in a different pkg using current stock of cases and projectiles

[@noclass2gun342]

Me and Pepperidge farm remember the 6.8 spc... and much like what you're saying with 338 arc, only one company ever managed to get any reliability out of it. And that was LWRC

[@cerneysmallengines]

forgive me if this is showing my ignorance. the 300 blackout is a 556 case with a 308 bullet, correct? why not make a 556 case with a 6.5 creedmoor or Grendel bullet. you'll keep that straight case. you'll keep the same magazine. you're just finding an nice intermediary between the 300 blackout and the 556

[@dnlitsuh]

That’s the idea behind 6arc which has good ballistics, noveske and geissele made 6arc ar15s and the dod has bought some

[@cerneysmallengines]

@dnlitsuh I'm thinking more along the lines that you can keep the stock magazines, same bolt carrier group

[@Chief-ek1vl]

Whos gonna tell him that durmag makes 30 dollar 6 arc mags

[@JNOSNOW]

But they're curved so they must not work lol. Who's going to tell him there are lots of 6.5 Grendel bolts that don't just break anymore.

[@joshuabailey5140]

I knew this would be coming out soon, and it didn't disappoint.

[@poorsoutdoors3595]

The Howa 1500 mini action could be a true micro action.

[@MoonDogg99]

I have an Fix in 8.6 shooting 350 Grain Makers and this gun shoots Dimes! Have been Happy with all Q Stuff, Overall you get what you pay. I would just build an 8.6 tbh or go bigger, 458 SOCOM is a great step up from .338 Cal's and the .50 BMG actually makes a great suppressed option, although a much heavier host rifle and expensive to build, 700 Grain Ball's stabilize well in the 50 BMG. The .50 shooting a 700g pill also delivers the same force as a supersonic .308 round, pretty sweet! Also to see that Hornady is not accounting for fast twist barrels is just bonkers, the 1:3 twist on the Fix really spins those big 350g Makers and is devastating! Its like a giant Broadhead deploying and grinding at 1,000 fps. Anyway good luck to you all and have fun!

[@TAGsten]

There are the Howa Mini Action rifles, I have one in 350 legend for hunting in Ohio. Have you considered offering the mini fix or fix in a straight wall cartridge for people hunting in states restricted to those?

[@kenbrown46]

They designed it to compete with the 300 blk, with more knock down with subsonic rounds since the bullet weight is considerably heavier. 6.5 grendel is a awesome cartridge and the the mags work just fine. Also what about the ar15's that are chambered for 7.62x39? Totally curved mags and it works just fine. This guy has a chip on his shoulder about the 338, alot of what he complains about are non-issues.

[@LaneGiesler-KL5PK]

Great information, thank you. I have 8.6's dies, brass, etc. didn't want to buy more. I already have 4 .338 federal 16" for supers and .338 win, and .338-378 Weatherby.

[@Crosshair84]

Combined supersonic/subsonic capability has always been a fools errand. The difference in trajectory is always massive and there's usually always at least some horizontal zero change. It's like trying to build a 100 mpg moped that can also haul a family of 4. Sure, you can see where having those combined capabilities would be useful. Are you actually going to be able to build something that does BOTH well? Probably not.

[@manobrass]

"He who chases two rabbits will lose them both." The 338 ARC will be a better subsonic caliber than the 8.6, and there are already loads of better supersonic calibers out there. I'll happily take two complete uppers hunting if it means both of them will actually run. The only customer-level 8.6 Blackout shooters that I have heard of getting good results in a gas gun with both subs and supers had to develop their own handloads for both. No thanks.

[@Crosshair84]

@manobrass You'd still be better off just running subsonic 450 Bushmaster if you want a big bullet at subsonic velocity.

[@meanman6992]

I feel like I’d listen closer initially if you didn’t start by just saying this other company’s product sucks. I hate listening for an argument and hearing an insult instead, that’s not an argument…. Later in the video I was like okay, fair points.

[@dandetande288]

Hornady should do a response to this

[@shaunharvey1112]

First thing I thought when I saw 1-8 twist what I found is 300 blk doesn’t expand reliably without a 1-5 twist for my liking I’ll stick with the 8.6 I was hoping for at least a 1-5 with the arc for expansion reliability like you said looks good on paper hornaday lost me at 1-8 twist

[@joshw6212]

So you're saying that Hornady knows less about the ballistics of a round they developed then a person that has literally never even seen the round before?

[@LRRPFco52]

Big difference in expansion with dedicated cup & core vs monoliths. Sub-X are designed to expand at subsonic speeds.

[@shaunharvey1112]

@@LRRPFco52 tried the sub-x they need to go back to the drawing board wasn’t impressed with them in 300blk the tip deformed and it tumbled in every pig I’ve shot trying them yes they killed pigs but by tumbling not expanding like hornaday claimed there sst bullet is awsome there varmint bullets are awsome they just need to work on the sub-x

[@amym828]

Who says you couldn't get a custom barrel for your desired twist?

[@mikedeckard8845]

I have a 8.6 BO and love it. ❤

[@jaredcaldwell4270]

If it's too complicated to change a bcg, barrel, etc. then just buy a new upper and problem solved. 6mm ARC is not a 1,000 yard cartridge? Then why did the DOD adopt it when they were looking for a 6mm bullet (similar to 6.5 CM) but in a smaller, lighter package (AR-15 instead of AR-10) that has an effective range over 1,000 yards? Garand Thumb did a video testing one out extensively and he and Micah were able to easily get 1 MOA groups, and in some cases 0.5 MOA or really close to that. And they tested it at 1,000+ yards and the gun is extremely accurate. 8.6 Blackout is a great cartridge and it's one that I plan to buy a couple of guns for, but if you wanted a DOD contract you could have made your own submission.

[@billydanzz]

Hitting the pause button to go grab some coffee for this one.....

[@redmotard7348]

and popcorn

[@joshuahoward7567]

The 338 arc vs 8.6blk camps rivalry is the competition we need 😂

[@mordechaigist9401]

I love Wildcat cartridges. But, damn that 8.6 is a fun weapon.

[@IWatchedWhat]

Well, I have used hard cast 335gr lead bullets in my 8.6 blackout bolt gun and have had no issues at all with 1-3 twist.

[@cassidybronson6891]

338 arc would be a good cartridge for the ak pattern of rifles.

[@Matteo_]

I thought that as well. Hopefully it happens sometime soon.

[@rottingravensblood9106]

Psa krink

[@johndeere6660]

Kevin What about the casecapacity „Problem „ In subs they talked about I think in one video from africa you guys been testing 8.6with smaller inner cases ore some kind

[@johndeere6660]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 thanks from Germany

[@WinxWaterFowl]

338 arc hasn't even been on the market yet it literally just got announced with in the past week my problem is you complain about the price of exotic material bolts that are maybe a few hundred dollars when Q sells base rifles starting at basically 3k personally this video has backfired not only on you but Q llc all together i think you and Q llc should have waited for ballistics charts before critiquing the round and i used to like Q product but now i will second guess and i am sure many others will second guess to continue buying anything from Q now due to this video at the end of the day if 338 arc performs the way i want it to that will be the choice i will go with and if ammo is cheaper it makes the choice that much better i have many high end or very expensive guns that require expensive ammo 338 lm/ 416 barret/ cheytac .375 etc etc are few of many on that list i don't mind not having to buy 8.6 for an extremely overpriced rifle for the performance

[@WinxWaterFowl]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 yes overpriced Q llc is asking 3k for a rifle that has an effective range of maybe 400 yards that to me is overpriced low performance with a elevation drop of over 50 inches to target at 400 yards and delivers less than 1000 ftlbs of energy to target at the same distance also hornady literally has 175 gr hp match listed as a supersonic option muzzle velocity is 2075 literally far above the 1125 transonic area before subsonic the 338 arc is not necessarily listed as an 8.6 direct competitor either it is designed to fit ar15 spec rifles where as the 8.6 blk cannot fit the ar15 platform you would have to use an ar10 platform or one of your $4300 boutique rifles/pistols again building a 338 arc regardless certain components being pricey as you state over and over in your video is still better price to performance than spending damn near 5k no matter how you put it

[@WinxWaterFowl]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 don't get me started on accuracy its been reported many times on forums that alot of performed accuracy testing is 2 - 3 moa? coming from a boutique rifle shop and as an owner who gloats his extremely pricey guns and niche ammunition you would think these rifles would be dead on and actually yes quality coming from many of my guns is based on accuracy over distance but it sounds like you base form over function not the other way around not a good look on you and your company again 3 - 5k on a gun with a lifting bolt carrier issue and notorious for light primer strikes and unpredictable accuracy is not on my list of guns i would deem QUALITY

[@brianjarrard869]

Kevin should be the go to for the DOD…. Period

[@MF-ml8eh]

I was thinking the same thing, Isnt the Q fix over 3000.00?

[@SavageTactical]

The 1:3 twist was implement to suppose to stabilize 338 subsonics and improve expansion? That’s news to me; even your early 8.6 promotion material claimed the fast twist was to improve terminal effects. I always thought that reasoning sounded fishy, and you didn’t do yourself any favors when you sprinkled water on top of the gel blocks shot with fast twist 8.6s to make the impacts look more dramatic while you didn’t with the slower twist comparisons. Also, in those same videos of fast twist shots you can clear see the bullets did not expand in the gel.

[@SavageTactical]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 Mr. Brittingham, you don’t have to apologize. I’m not upset at all. After all, I didn’t release a well produced temper tantrum response to your competition. That video you claim is not true, it’s quite easily found here on KZbin. Titled, “8.6 BLK | Ballistic Gel Slow Motion Footage | 1:3 210 Grain vs 1:9 210 Grain,” it was produced by Faxon Firearms “In Association with Q” (direct quote 7s into the video). Not only can you clearly see neither bullet expanded, it was quite obvious water was put on top of the 1:3 test block to make its hit more dramatic. If you have a problem with that video, you should have a talk with your associates at Faxon. Lastly, I’m honored you commented on my response. Out of all of the negative comments, you chose mine to personally attack. They say truth hurts, and this must of really hurt since you decided to single my comment out.

[@stephanieandjared390]

I dont like truth so ill just say, nah not true to everything that makes me look retarded

[@Ben-ry1py]

I looked closely at the gel block video. It does look like there is a very minimal amount of water on the slower twist block, and clearly much more water on the 1 in 3 twist block. This kind of bullshit really makes me despise people and products. More practically, it seems very clear that the 8.6 blk has too much case capacity for proper subsonic shooting. I have heard guys who have shot it say they have had accuracy problem because the velocities are not consistent, do to all the empty space in the case. Q should be pointing this stuff out themselves as they find real solutions to this real problem instead of throwing shade at their competitors.

[@Quinlan.Monroe]

Ya'll hiring any more engineers? I'm Q... an EE with no experience making guns but have hella experience trashtalking and backing it up. Where do I apply? lol

[@GASmith]

SOCOM is using some 6ARC rifles, so they must think it has some reliability.

[@ianprice3837]

Lmao damn that was fast boys good work! Lmao 😅

[@Markwho-]

Im all about and will remain all about 300 and 8.6 blackout. Those are my first go to

[@joshcaudill1665]

Honestly 338 ARC and 8.6 BLK are both good cartridges. They just have very different customer bases.

[@brendangee593]

Howa mini action already offers the 65grendal. It’d be the only rifle I’d consider building the ARC on. But in reality I’d pick the 8.6 blackout so I could use a standard rem700 footprint action because I have spare mags, triggers and chassis’s them already. 😂

[@AZNxPrswAZN]

Thank you for explaining this I read the article was getting about the feelings…

[@joeyss98]

So great! I knew this was coming.