YQ | Why 338 ARC Sucks...

[@Sherzer]

Complains about $300+ bolts to make 6 arc reliable. Your bolt is $350 come on

[@zapf6987]

Nevermind that you don't need those bolts to have a reliable 6arc, you just need to run ammo that isn't pissin hot

[@ZeroDarkPrecision]

Complete BCG, Fail Zero $200, Rubber City Armory $220. Both run flawlessly. Sounds like a-lot of sour grapes.

[@jyro6368]

Very weird to hear Q say something costing $300-400 is overpriced

[@chipsterb4946]

C’mon man! $515 for a Faxon barrel is a great deal! 😝

[@dougrichter4558]

Dude is the definition if overpriced

[@fnxtugboat3541]

There is a difference between a Bolt and BCG....

[@chipsterb4946]

@@fnxtugboat3541 of course there is. I can get a Sons of Liberty GW BCG for 6 ARC etc for $239. That’s what I run in AR-15s, and they’re solid.

[@m4rvinmartian]

☠

[@ryankozarich6968]

Well, that didn't take long at all...

[@AaronSomes]

lol. Just saw 338 ARC today and was wth is that. Now here we are.

[@therealkingseekul]

We didn’t get a chance to even shoot it 😂😂😂😂

[@ryankozarich6968]

If you gents want to give it a chance, I'd say 1 in 5 twist and a pistol length gas system should treat you well.

[@matthewconnor5483]

Literally what I thought soon as I saw the title

[@Randy_84]

Bro is just made hornady won't make his 8.6 ammo lol

[@JoshuaCalvert80]

A company heavily invested in 8.6 blackout telling us the competition sucks... mind blowing.

[@TEXMECHANIC]

Exactly

[@chipsterb4946]

Well I invested in 8.6 Blackout and wasn’t happy when Hornady torpedoed SAAMI approval in January, so there’s that.

[@NAP51DMustang]

@@chipsterb4946 Hornady isn't required to help KB do his work for him. He can go through saami if he wants to

[@jjmckay6man1]

@@chipsterb4946 How did Hornady torpedo a cartridge that was never theirs? It is the cartridge designers job to pay to have it made a saami spec cartridge. It ain't cheap to do either. Sounds like you have HDS.

[@mostpopularpresidentever]

you don't have an 8.6 black out do you

[@midnightrun2010]

He just sounds bitter that Hornady declined to make factory 8.6 BLK ammo.

[@REJ509]

I clicked this looking for actual information not an emotional outburst filled with misinformation.

[@OnePointLander]

Thanks for convincing me to go with the 338 arc.

[@Krsjan69]

@@OnePointLander EXACTLY

[@J27-usa]

Kevin is his own worst enemy.

[@iamspeare]

Complaining about needing a $300 - $400 bolt when yours sells for $350...

[@Cocaine_Spaceship]

Dudes a fucking quack.

[@motocracy4828]

You have to pay for those African hunting trips somehow! Seriously, the level of cognitive dissonance and/or dishonesty in this video is cringe level. Apparently, he hasn't looked at his own company's product pricing line numbers at all.

[@stephanieandjared390]

@iamspeare no shit. Hes one of those Brads from highschool that thought he was wayyyyy cooler than he was. Hes an old man, talking on repeat about how he started aac and got the boot, hes the most innovative human who ever lived, and everyones stuff but his sucks. Its lame

[@CalebGoldsberry]

Q is selling a whole BCG (and not run of the mill) for $350. Just the bolt itself in these materials is $300-$400 not counting your carrier. That is what he is talking about.

[@iamspeare]

@@CalebGoldsberry I haven't seen them, any evidence that they are costing that? My point would still remain that him saying it's a serious con for a standard part to cost more than the norm is hypocritical.

[@Ndjdieiejdjekenenenejee]

He big mad

[@Mk18mitch]

Makes me so happy to see. He's definitely the epitome of someone who never got out of high school.

[@jjmckay6man1]

the term butthurt comes to mind...they make a cream for that.

[@charleshopkins2571]

@@Mk18mitchactually that’s incorrect

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

@@Mk18mitchI think about high school every time I tell my pilot to fly me to my hometown. 🤷🏽‍♀️🖕🏿

[@Mk18mitch]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 is that supposed to be impressive??

[@jacobmead2262]

Lmao. 6 arc didn’t take off? Please. Even 6.5 Grendel is getting more and more popular.

[@LRRPFco52]

I just did a fresh count of factory 6.5 Grendel options, and it went from 127 to 131, with Hornady's new 90gr CX load. AAC just added 3 factory options this year for $13.99-$14.99/box.

[@ayegame2424]

not at all. can barely even get a gun in it anymore

[@bobd.5905]

@@ayegame2424 Depends on your area. I visited a gun shop in a Hog heavy hunting area and 6.5 Grendel stuff was everywhere. They luckily carried my 6 ARC stuff as well but not in the same quantity. 6.5 Grendel is still big but I do think with the 6.5 CM and 6mm/22 ARC, 300 blk options you will notice that some companies will abandon some of their options and slim their product lines down.

[@Courtesyflush52]

@@ayegame2424where are you looking? Every barrel manufacturer I regularly buy from offers 6.5 Grendel or 6mm ARC and their accompanying bolts

[@mostpopularpresidentever]

the 6 arc is absolutely a lead balloon

[@bobd.5905]

How is this guy so out of touch with our current economy? The fact is that not only is the AR-15 platform more modifiable and less expensive, the 338 ARC will put more energy on target than the 300 blk which is it's main competitor not the 8.6 blk. "Instead of buying an AR-15 you should pay $4400 for my new SBR that the ammo costs at minimum $2/rd." I own 2 6mm ARC AR-15's and I can tell that this guy has never shot one based on his "facts". Kevin, you are out of touch, and wrong about so many things in this video. Somehow this feels more like a Tony Gonzales attack ad than an informative video.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Tell me what I’m wrong about…

[@stephanieandjared390]

Thats easy... Being on the internet.

[@ryancampbell883]

Sign should say “I’m insecure because my products can’t compete with what’s on the market.”

[@ArmedShepherd]

Kevin is sounding more and more like Mark Larue - a man who’s got personal issues and takes it out on his customer base, and the competition.

[@mostpopularpresidentever]

He's right ! Hornady keeps coming out with shitty rip off's of other cartridges that don't even perform better

[@NAP51DMustang]

@@mostpopularpresidentever KB isn't right and you can tell he doesn't know what he's talking about with his "full curve mag" comments

[@BrapBang]

Yeah some of his comments in the video didn't seem 100% truthful. Like the 6 ARC comments. Yes, 6 ARC is a 1,000 yard rifle. I shot it at 1,000 yards this week. Or the fact that there are other mini actions on the market beside CZ and Q. Look at the Howa mini actions. Doesn't mean the 338 ARC is better than the 8.6 BLK, but you gotta be honest about these things or I wonder about honestly in other statements.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

@@BrapBang6 arc is not a 1,000 killing cartridge. I didn’t know about Howa. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@BrapBang]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 My son killed a large mule deer with a 16" 6 ARC at 150 yards last weekend. 108 ELD M, but you're correct its not a killer at 1,000.

[@trumpwon20204]

Howa 1500 mini action has entered the room

[@angusmotorsports4715]

How many Howa 1500s can you get for the price of a Fix?

[@C0D3studios]

I can’t wait for one to come out

[@TrashAnyway]

​@@angusmotorsports4715 3 or 4

[@chadperry4021]

@@angusmotorsports4715base model 1500 mini is 529 msrp while the fix is 3300. So with optics or option at least 6 howa’s. The aftermarket for the mini is huge. I feel the real value is buying used or buying a barreled action from brownell’s and adding a quality wood, fiberglass or carbon fiber stock. Right now it could get a 20” carbon fiber barreled 6.5 Grendel and get a 20oz stocky’s carbon fiber stock. And be able to get a companion 6arc and put quality glass on both for less than the fix.

[@Bubbybub0077]

@@angusmotorsports4715 About 5-10

[@alexisdetocqueville9964]

Which one of the yes men at Q told him this series was a good idea to film and put on youtube? I don't see a single positive comment on this.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

You don’t read good.

[@texpatriot8462]

The same people who told Kamala to skip the Al Smith dinner.

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

Yeah, this just made them look like a bigger ass.

[@dnlitsuh]

I’m glad they post these bc it makes it easier for people to see that Q is shitty

[@ELEV8AZ1]

What makes you think he even asked? The numbers aren’t complicated. The man has a personal opinion like everyone else. The fact 8.6 took off as fast as it did yet a company as big as Hornady refuses to make the ammo because they have a competing cartridge coming out is just, if not more not listening to the market because you think it’ll help yours???? 8.6 is proprietary and one of the first real new cartridge that opens a whole new avenue in my opinion.

[@KMSYDKIK]

Quick guys! Go buy their freshly released $4-5k 8.6blk boombox and be a tier 1 operator!!!

[@greatdane3343]

Is he really not aware of the Howa Mini Action?

[@MassJass]

There are so many mini bolt guns nowadays...

[@kirkmartin2223]

I can think of ruger, howa and CZ all making a factory PPC bolt face. The biggest difference for most people between the Q stuff and a howa mini action is an extra zero in the price tag

[@MassJass]

@@kirkmartin2223 the Ruger American is one of the most popular bolt guns on the planet

[@phillycheesetake]

@@MassJass But that's not a small action, they use the same receiver from 30-06 all the way down to .223. The Howa is an actual mini action.

[@ryantogo8359]

You misunderstand him. He's not ignorant, he's dishonest.

[@Dexter-nw2fe]

This dude still pretends the honey badger was mass adopted, or what ever soldier wishes they had

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

This frickin guy…

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

@@thinkharder9332 which one? I noticed we are still shipping full auto Honey Badgers, set up for subsonic. And building more this week. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@FFFF-x9i]

@@thinkharder9332you can’t talk if you own anything IMI or IWI

[@ChevTecGroup]

I've heard from your guys that the HB has bolt bounce issues and is unreliable in FA. Even with the new recoil system. Has this been fixed?

[@umerlinbrah10]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 whats the contract? apparently no one else has ever heard of this other than you

[@LRRPFco52]

6.5 Grendel has 131 loads for Factory ammunition as of today. Up from 127 for 2023-2024. There are a lot of companies making barrels, firearms, and magazines for it both in the AR and Micro actions like the Howa. Hornady just dropped a new 90gr CX load for Grendel, after the relatively-new 100gr ELD-VT. Every major ammunition manufacturer makes 6.5 Grendel except Winchester.

[@LDR1100RS]

You heard him; "...the Grendel which never really took off." ROTFLMAO!

[@FederalPacificEh]

Can’t imagine why AAC would be making it.

[@LRRPFco52]

@@FederalPacificEh It was the highest demand cartridge for them to make after 5.56 I think. They have 123gr Black Tip, 123gr BTHP, & 123gr FMJ. They also have a 200rd ammo can SKU.

[@Sidekick_Snowman]

Grendel is more popular than 8.6 BLK

[@FederalPacificEh]

@@LRRPFco52sorry bro it was all sarcasm. I shoot Grendel almost exclusively.

[@maxrees8445]

What we heard, "Hornady will hurt our bottomline, you suck, and all your bullets suck except one. If we couldn't make it work right, then you couldn't do it any better!".

[@chipsterb4946]

Not really. I watched the Hornady videos first. My first thoughts were “magazines? Feeding? Supersonic performance?”

[@trentwilson855]

​@@chipsterb4946supersonic performance? Oh, you mean something the 8.6 doesn't have very often with jacket separations? Yea, who knew that spinning a bullet significantly past the 300k RPM threshold would rip jackets apart....said no bullet manufacturer/wildcatter ever....

[@mostpopularpresidentever]

He's right it sucks

[@christopherbenfield7848]

@@chipsterb4946 Then you didn't watch all the videos...

[@christopherbenfield7848]

@@mostpopularpresidentever yeah OK

[@roncterry]

Umm, no, the ARC cartridges do not require a “full curve magazine”. The ARC/Grendel cartridges actually have less case taper than both 5.56 and 308. Take a look at the Geissele (admittedly over priced) purpose built ARC magazines and you will see that they have less curve than 5.56 mags. The myth that ARC/Grendel require dramatically curved mags comes from the situation that DuraMag repurposed their dramatically curved 7.62x39 mags for 6.5 Grendel which then are used for the ARC family of cartridges. Because the DuraMag magazines have a reputation for quality they end up getting used most often. Hence the myth. As the ARC cartridges gain more popularity we will see more purpose built magazines for them. In fact we already are (Geissele as the case in point).

[@joshw6212]

well said

[@NAP51DMustang]

Don't confuse KB, he doesn't understand numbers.

[@TheMinutemanArmory]

This comment right here. Lay 15 6mm ARC out on a table one next to the other and there is hardly any curve.

[@LRRPFco52]

I've been shooting 6.5 Grendel since 2009 with a bunch of different types of magazines on the market and I just haven't had problems. I have 8 different Grendels right now, from 23" down to 8.5" and they run old CProducts, new ASCs, Elanders, Amend2, and every type of mag I've tried. I have never broken a bolt either, and I've used 5 different types of bolts minimum. My preferred bolt is the Rexus Ultrabolt, which is beefed up and made from AISI 9310 VAR alloy. I've shot a mix of hand loads and various factory ammo over the years by the thousands. I'm using Bootleg adjustable gas carrier and extra power SpringCo in the 12" Grendel.

[@fattigla]

​@TheMinutemanArmory interesting, I don't have any arc cartridges, is the case taper similar on 6.5 grendel cases? I want to dig out my brass and try it.

[@thesuperkat943]

"i can't make royalties off overpriced ammo so its trash"

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

I don’t get royalties from ammo. 😂🤷🏽‍♀️ You’re welcome though.

[@chipsterb4946]

@@kevinbrittingham6774the market is under the impression that Q charges licensing fees for 8.6 Blackout. If that is not the case, you should shout it from the mountaintops.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

@@chipsterb4946bc of cunts like above 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@thesuperkat943]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 aren't you supposed to be doxxing people who post slight dissatisfaction and violating your restraining order?

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

@@thesuperkat943 you’re that afraid? Your mom raise more than one girl?

[@kybbe112]

Is Hornady in the room with us now?

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Slithering.

[@El-Diablo-Blanco]

Show us on the doll where the Hornady touched you.

[@WalksWithNoFear]

Butthurt Brittingham at it again. Do you want some cheese with that whine?

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Weak tea “nofear” 😂

[@WalksWithNoFear]

@kevinbrittingham6774 Is that it?

[@LGB-FJB]

This is supposedly a new cartridge, but the 338 Razorback and 338 Spectre have been out for years.

[@BFnKC]

Kinda like the 300 whisper…

[@jonathanrogers9961]

yup, and I was hoping somone would take them mainstream for a long time.

[@blantant]

Exactly

[@Dexter-nw2fe]

I bet you think 8.6 blackout is revolutionary

[@LRRPFco52]

338 ARC is actually old, dates back to 2016 for DoD requests from certain unnamed entities who wanted longer range subsonic performance that was really consistent, unlike 300 Whisper. The problem with 300 whisper is you can get it running reliably but not subsonic or subsonic but not reliably In cold weather conditions, and it's very inconsistent with how groups. Terminal performance sucks as well when you shoot subs. Guess who worked on 300 Whisper systems for UK SF way back in the day?

[@WVGunsNGoats]

So you’re saying i cant get a Mini fix in .338 arc? Lol. Howa makes a micro bolt gun as well. The cartridge hasnt even been out more than a week.

[@JRacerActual]

Whole lot of butt-hurt in this video.... Just him taking the time making it shows this.

[@stepheng3985]

I know this may go against the vibe of this series of videos, but it does come across as a bit disingenuous when you say there are no pros to the cartridge. I'm a fan of Q, but if anything, this video makes it a little harder to take the videos at face value if you're going to claim to give a no bs pros and cons but then BS us by claiming there are no pros.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Why?

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

​@@kevinbrittingham6774the fact you have to ask indicates it. You're apparently too biased to see what the entire comment section is pointing out.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

@@sinisterthoughts2896 it’s just that your opinion and feelings don’t matter. Especially to science.

[@NotTarget]

The 6mm ARC was specifically developed for use in gas guns at the request of the DoD and is currently being used by various special forces units. But you claim the system "wasn't good enough for the military"... Sure, keep telling yourself that.

[@CaptainCreampie69]

What special forces groups? I don’t think one has been seen in the wild? You see 300 blackout all the time with those same guys. That’s the thing with the gun industry, everything that fits in an AR was “made for a special forces group.” I personally don’t care if some tattooed guy with a beard who shoots steroids uses it, is it reliable and accurate. The whole “hurr durr military uses it durr” thing is so cheesy. It’s like chill out Elmer Fudd, you shoot deer at 100 yards max and maybe shoot 2 boxes of ammo a year.

[@jonathanrogers9961]

6arc was adopted by socom based on what little I could find.

[@TheRealBat-mh7ju]

​@@CaptainCreampie69 Geissele website just says department of defense

[@LRRPFco52]

Certain elements within DOD wanted SR-25 performance but in the AR15 package. Working with Hornady, they ran through a series of exercises from different shooting positions, scenarios, and structures with 12 inch to 18 inch 6.5 Grendels. They were asked if any of the scenarios that they ran through would have been better with the SR25 and they all said no. Hornady said they could tweak it to make it a little better, necked it down to 6 mm (which had already been done), called their's 6mm ARC. Hornady, Noveske, Proof, & Geissele didn't respond to these DoD entities as some marketing stunt. It's all a very real program. KAC is even making 6mm ARC SR-15s now. KAC doesn't mess with non-DoD cartridges.

[@Problematicbehavior]

@@CaptainCreampie69dudes in the middle east are currently running 14.5 (cant specify brand) also geissele which the gfr was designed around the contract rifle that was competing against (unspecified brand). These two brands have numerous rifles oversees chambered in 6arc

[@jonathanlogan6647]

So i like how you have never attempted to address any of the major issues with the 8.6 blackout. Like lack of bullet choice for supersonic do to issues with the 1:3.(i've confirmed this personally with sierra, berger, and hornady) the poor efficiency of the 8.6bo with subs that has lead to ignition and velocity constancy proplems. Believe me we see it a lot of shooting on a slop in the hill where i live. Sure hornady not trying to play the long game here they really are after a closer range quite gun that is going to be almost solely focuse on shooting subs only. More of a smg 300 bo replacement that has more energy then either. This would have the idea platform looking like the AAC honey badger you know the one that actually got adopted that is very different from the current one. As for the accuracy some of the most accurate sub sonic guns ive ever shot are 338 whispers and none of them use a 1:3. Dude you had a good run but you've honestly lost some of the mojo you had and are stuck in the AAC days. It's time to let this play out and see how it goes a lot of your points in this video where wrong and the rest sounded less like sound logic and more of just whining. Nothing left but wait and see if you and 8.6 bo take the L or if hornady cant delivere and takes the L. I'm got to say it, a lot of companies are geting the 6 arc down and if they get this working then hornady brought up a good point. It's the same bullet same velocity just smaller gun, smaller round so lighter wieght and more ammo. Lets be honest the 8.6 has not been flawless.

[@hstone-kf7su]

“I didn’t think of it so it’s trash” - Kevin

[@adamshaw8214]

Its trash because its not a 300 win mag.

[@adamshaw8214]

Its trash because its not a 300 win mag.

[@Courtesyflush52]

@@adamshaw8214that’d be somewhat hard to fit in an AR15 magazine

[@SavageTactical]

Considering 8.6 blk is basically an evolution JD Jones’ 338 whisper #1; you could argue Brittingham didn’t think up 8.6 either. He essentially took Jones’ idea and standardized it with a more popular case than 7BR.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

@@Courtesyflush52not for hornady

[@michaeldancurtis]

Crap, now i have to go buy and 338 ARC

[@ianaquila1858]

Says the guy who thinks he invented taper mounts, ok lol.

[@zac480]

I shoot over 1k yards out of my 12.5” 6 arc all day . Runs reliably in grendel mags and ive never had an issue … should have just came out and said i dont know shit about 6 arc . Because clearly you dont

[@LRRPFco52]

I've been shooting my 12" Grendel suppressed regularly since 2017. I 1st-round connected with it at 900yds on a 2 MOA plate, which was crazy. Such a fun, easy little AR to carry and shoot. It's one of eight that I have.

[@davidhochstetler4068]

Wrong. Because Kevin says so

[@timtruelove7214]

This does feel like a copium response

[@nahbrahhh]

Kevin is a meme

[@mostpopularpresidentever]

I'm sure your much more sucessful than he is 🤦🏽‍♂🤦🏽‍♂

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Well, it was gonna be me and your mom…but, she wouldn’t fit. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@stephanieandjared390]

​@kevinbrittingham6774 ya cuz your ego and anything else cant be in the same room together. And his mom would probly be in your age bracket anyways...makes sence. Youre clearly getting hammered in these comments. Maybe you should take the L and move on, like aac.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

@@stephanieandjared390 yeah, bc social media is a real place…

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

"Hi, Im [guy who didnt invent 338ARC] from [company that doesnt sell 338ARC], and im here to tell you why 338ARC sucks by giving reason that greatly apply to my own products with no hint of irony"

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

I don’t sell or profit from 8.6 Blk either. It’s just better. Much better.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 how do you not profit from one of the primary calibers you offer your rifles in? 338ARC may take away from people buying a gun in 338BLKOUT, guns that you sell.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz The Fix is backordered for 8.5 years. We ship the same number every month, regardless of caliber. We make no money off of ammo that we develop. We give it away.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 so you have a vested interest in people dedicating themselves to 338BLKOUT. I cant explain that to you any better than you've already explained it to yourself.

[@stephanieandjared390]

Backordered for 8.5 years? 🤣🤣 there you go people, dont waste youre time with this dork. The fix sucks anyways. Its light, wow..

[@orintomczyk7465]

6mm ARC not a 1000 yard cartridge? I want whatever this dude's smoking.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

It’s not 🤷🏽‍♀️ Doesn’t kill at 1,000 yards. Show me I’m mistaken.

[@orintomczyk7465]

Shooting berger 109 gr LR hybrid I get roughly 2700 fps at the muzzle. At 1000 this yields about 450 ft-lbs of energy. That is absolutely enough to be deadly. For comparison, 77gr OTM 5.56 out of a 16" barrel is also about 450 ft-lbs but at 500 yards. Unless of course you say that isn't enough to kill either.

[@Abattoir667]

No you don’t, because if you did, you’d put out dumb videos like this one.

[@EssPhour]

​@@orintomczyk7465 Barrel length you are using for the Berger numbers? And a bolt or gas gun?

[@orintomczyk7465]

@@EssPhour 24" on a Seekins DMR

[@zacharyschellinger4769]

Where can one obtain hybrid powder or restricted capacity cases for 8.6 blk to hand load for better SD’s in subsonic ammunition? If 338 ARC magazines need to be restricted for reliable feeding what’s the mag capacity of 8.6 blk? If both are 20 rounds then what’s the difference. What’s cheaper buying a 338 ARC upper or a large frame AR for 8.6? Hornady had multiple compelling reasons for not going all in on 8.6 and no other major ammo manufacturers seem to be disagreeing with them.

[@robinsonarmamentco.1621]

Interesting points made. We are offering our XCR-M in 8.6 Blackout. It's a pleasure to shoot. Some of Qs points are valid. (BTW, we make the best 6mm ARC because our bolt holds up and it works great with ASC mags.) Anyway, we love the 8.6 Blackout and we'll probably make the .338 ARC too.

[@dwrr4868]

Iv'e been thinking about a rifle that is not only Quiet but able to take down large game. I was looking at the CMMG descent untill I seen the XCR-M. I dont know exactly why but the 8.6 XCR-M seems to me to be the "ONE" kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHWqqqOwn6aSb9U

[@davidhochstetler4068]

He could have actually provided an argument. Instead this was full of ‘yeah but it’s like this and this personally sucked compared to what we make so’

[@chipsterb4946]

I watched the Hornady 338 ARC videos yesterday. My first thoughts related to the bolt face, feeding, magazines, and supersonic performance (I.e. lack thereof). Kevin mentioned all of those potential issues.

[@davidhochstetler4068]

@@chipsterb4946 the bolt face, feeding and magazines are a nonissue at this point. SuperSonic? Obviously a full size cartridge is gonna beat it on supersonic performance. He whines about the ARC line of cartridges not being reliable and not up to military standards. Then talks about the Geissele ARC rifle… which is a NSN product, and the 6 ARC was developed with the military

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

You didn’t listen. Pls provide nsn of G rifle.

[@tonyzhu403]

The whole comparison between 8.6BLK and 338ARC juse seems wrong. AR Standard Action VS AR Long Action. (Or Bolt Mini Action VS Short Action) Not the same application. The 300BLK VS 338ARC Comparison seems more valid at least.

[@justinshaver2727]

I was waiting for this video for a whole 12 hours.

[@JNOSNOW]

I find it amusing to hear "reliable" and "Q" in the same sentence.

[@JohnFarrell-l5b]

Don’t talk about his products, He’ll block you on social media

[@CaptainCreampie69]

None of my 4 Q guns have had a single problem. HB, mini fix, sugar weasel or Fix. As a matter of fact I’ve not had a single problem with any of my guns that isn’t user induced, like limp wristing a USP, a handgun that many say along with Glock and the MK23 (all which I have as well) are the most reliable in the world.

[@JNOSNOW]

I'm glad you got good ones. Probably helps when you're constantly busting nuts in them

[@JNOSNOW]

What social media? KZbin comments are as far as I go with that shit.

[@JohnFarrell-l5b]

@@JNOSNOW it’s a joke, because kevins a man child and can’t take constructive criticism

[@NAP51DMustang]

Imagine being so insecure about your mid tier offerings you make an entire cope video

[@joshw6212]

THIS. RIGHT. HERE

[@buymicheats]

Facts

[@WhiteBoyNick1]

300 blk isn't mid tier though, it's sick and innovative.

[@lucastonoli3256]

@@WhiteBoyNick1 Eh, whisper did the same thing, you just didn't have the support to do wide-range loads that worked reliably. 300 BLK is alright, innovative, not that much.

[@dumbcooky276]

“New barrel, new bolt, new mags, this will cost you a couple hundred bucks. Or you can buy our Boombox (for over $4,000)”

[@felixruiz4141]

PWS seems to be working with Hornady just for their Mod 2. I already have a Fix. I am curious about how the 338 ARC will perform. Time will tell I guess. Also, the 6ARC has been a hit in mil, currently deployed in the field. Ask Noveske, Proof, and JP.

[@J0nnyKiiD]

Been waiting for this. 😂

[@WLogan84]

I wanted a 338 Spectre, but it uses 6.8 SPC mags, and I don’t have and. However, I already have a 6.5 Grendel and 6mm ARC and the $17 E-Lander Grendel mags work fantastic, so the 338 Arc is a great fit for me

[@MF-ml8eh]

I was thinking the same thing, Isnt the Q fix over 3000.00?

[@anthonylarson6511]

Similar to 8.6 blackout without needing a whole new firearm. KB has been passed and lapped already

[@Michaeldpress14]

8.6 is a barrel swap …. 338 arc is a mag , barrel and bolt swap and still won’t run reliably. Might as well get a whole new gun

[@Courtesyflush52]

@@Michaeldpress148.6BLK can’t even run regular jacketed bullets because the 1-3 twist tears them during launch Can’t get much less reliable than exploding bullets

[@jus10m0]

@@Michaeldpress14 lol do you feel extra dumb now?

[@jjmckay6man1]

@@Courtesyflush52 and destroying your can while doing it lol.

[@ryancrazy1]

@@Michaeldpress14 You mean a receiver swap? 8.6 needs an AR-10 receiver. 338 ARC fits an ar-15 receiver so its just a barrel. Idk if it needs special mags.

[@griff30]

Thanks for the info, gonna go buy a 338 ARC asap.

[@killacamfoo]

Not sure if Hornady will love you back after this one.

[@Quinlan.Monroe]

Ya'll hiring any more engineers? I'm Q... an EE with no experience making guns but have hella experience trashtalking and backing it up. Where do I apply? lol

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Lololol

[@ryansmith8372]

The 8.6 will be the 300 Whisper after you came out with 300 Blackout. Pretty much gone. The Howa mini in 338ARC is going to kill the 8.6. Way smaller and lighter same capabilities with 300gr subs and really good with 175 supers. No neck turning and the nightmare of brass and reloading issues like 8.6. Kevin the 8.6 was a flop. To much case capacity for subs and to little to be a good super sonic gun. 1:3 has so much spin drift it's ridiculous at long range. I spent 3k chasing the 8.6 and never could achieve good accuracy and a really quiet sub sonic that was accurate. I then found the 338 Spectre and it solved all the 8.6 issues that was out there. This is basically a saami 338 Spectre and will kill the 8.6 in the long run. Yeah I'm not a fan of a 1:8 but I also think the 1:3 sucks. A 1:5 or 1:6.5 will be the go to for when guys have custome barrels made. 8.6 is about to be the thing of the past just like 300 blackout. Figure out a good 375 round and maybe you can a winner again like you were with the 300 blackout. Also as far as the AR15 mags being curved 6.5 Grendal has done great and it's the same mags and bolt face. 6arc has really taken off and seems to be great also same mags and boltface. Ar15 is cheaper, easier, and lighter. Just wait and watch what happens.

[@LRRPFco52]

It's obvious that's why the video was made. He's smart enough to recognize what happened. I'm not hating just pointing out what it appears to be.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

😂

[@BlackDogOriginal]

Nah

[@z987k]

375 raptor exists and pretty much takes care of the 375 diameter sub cartridge.

[@agententropy5577]

Remember when you couldn't go to work because you beat a woman?

[@teabulls]

remember when he tried to bribe an instagram account because anyone that tested his cans found out they suck

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

No

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

@@teabullsAlso no.

[@teabulls]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 im sure your opinion isnt biased at all

[@deno2566]

Pepperidge Farm remembers

[@dukachu885]

Just heard about 338 arc today don't really care about it but definitely wanna pick some brains on a concept for a rifle might already be something out there like it that I don't know about but "integrally suppressed bullpupped scout rifle meant to be light weight and long range" anything like that out there?

[@phillycheesetake]

8.6 blackout is the worst cartridge ever developed. It's god awful.

[@cerneysmallengines]

forgive me if this is showing my ignorance. the 300 blackout is a 556 case with a 308 bullet, correct? why not make a 556 case with a 6.5 creedmoor or Grendel bullet. you'll keep that straight case. you'll keep the same magazine. you're just finding an nice intermediary between the 300 blackout and the 556

[@dnlitsuh]

That’s the idea behind 6arc which has good ballistics, noveske and geissele made 6arc ar15s and the dod has bought some

[@cerneysmallengines]

@dnlitsuh I'm thinking more along the lines that you can keep the stock magazines, same bolt carrier group

[@ronaldtrask3444]

My Reaction Prior to Listening (same comment removed from another channel not to be mentioned) 1. Your cartridge’s ability to fit in a micro / mini action is not a flex for several reasons: A. What does micro length get you, besides kind but disingenuous statements from your wife? How much weight and bolt stroke does it save, not enough for anyone to notice. B. Most manufacturers have discontinued this length. In factory made guns we have HOWA making a pseudo micro length and Ruger Ranch which is just modified short action. Q’s bolt gun is the only one I know of that would fit the actual traditional definition. C. Most true micro-length actions are going to be semi-builds based off existing actions that require opening the bolt face, this means cost a weak bolt faces. D. What combination of modern chassis and micro-length actions exist? Besides the modification of gas gun to bolt action or straight pull? I have nothing against traditional micro-Mausers like the M85 but consumers are moving away from that toward a newer set of solutions. Enjoy your 90-bolt homie I did my time with Mausers and like modern chassis bolt guns. D. Now we are back to the magazine issue. I bet 5.56 AICS magazine will work moderately well. AR Pattern mags, not so much. 2. It’s awesome this new cartridge fits in an AR15 gas gun. Except it doesn’t. It will require a new bolt (more to follow) and new magazine (more to follow) A. Requires non-standard AR-15 bolt face. 220 Russian bolt face cartridges in gas guns break bolts, anyone who has used these cartridges for anything more than limited square range have broken bolts. Plural, multiple bolts. This is going to require a serious user to purchase an exotic bolt. B. 220 Russian based cartridges suck. Their curve means they do not fit and index the same way a 5.56 user is used to carrying and indexing magazines. Their reliability is caliber dependent, what works best for your 6 ARC, which are lower capacity, never in stock and $100 bucks may not work for the 338 ARC. C. SUBX bullets in the 300 Blackout at least have required some modifications to feed for reliable feeding, will this be the case with the 338? 3. 338 ARC will be relegated for these reasons to a casual user (boomers…cough cough) cartridge. The ARCS are a good try to get maximum performance from AR15 Gas Guns. They pale in comparison to what the 6mm Creed, 6.5 Creed and 8.6 are getting out of SR25 pattern with literally just a barrel change. Cartridge designers need to work with rifle manufacturers not expecting the opposite. Small Frame SR25s are rapidly being developed by great gun makers (not Ruger) no need to create make work solutions anymore. 4. Though I haven’t used it on game I have friends who have used the SUBX bullet from a 30-30 (primitive twist rate) the wound channels and retention where very impressive. From a modern twist rate and larger diameter these bullets will have awesome performance. But these are still older lead-based bullets. You made a 1-8 twist barrel, congrats on waking up from your comma and catching up to 2012 tech. Waith until you hear about Zyn Pouches! 5. Many hunters, for very good reasons, are moving toward monolithic bullets, so should you. If you need mag dump into trash ammo there is plenty of Turkish 5.56 available. 6. 338 ARC’s super-sonic bullet is shaped like the late 1800s attempts to modernize a revolver bullet and the SUBx bullet is literally one of the weakest constructed “premium” bullets on the market. Come on! We aren't solving for already solved problems we are stacking the deck with “ARC” labeled cartridges. I love the 8.6 blackout cartridge and have loaded different flavors and shot multiple SR25 patterns rifles in it. When my health gets better, and I can work more hours I am getting a fix in it. 338 ARC ain’t it boys. No to see what Q has to say.

[@tonyzhu403]

Micro Bolt Guns. Ruger American Ranch Mossberg MVP Howa Mini Action No, they don't fold. Still Mini Actions.

[@andrewfrederick6947]

Its not a "hating on hornady"..its a hating on something thats might take money out of his pocket...such a arrogant (sorry for the miss spelling) a$$, hence why ill never own anything with the q name on it

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

What’s errant? We don’t make money on 8.6. We give it away free. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@andrewfrederick6947]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 whats arrogant?(sorry spelled it wrong)Lets see a day after hornady release a video on their new caliber, you put one out bashing on it. A sub/supper 338 caliber just like the 8.6, oh but wait it can fit in a standard ar lower which would appeal to people who dont want to get in to the confusion of the ar10 platform. Instead of just letting hornady have it, you as the owner of Q come out bashing, then say "Im not hating on hornady..but". Yes the 338 arc might have some quirks, but so does 6 arc, 6.5 grendel, 7.62x39, 458 socom, ect..I dont see you putting out video's on those cailber in the same context as this video. Yes we know the 8.6 is your baby..and the hole not making money is b.s.! At 4399 for the new rifle you cant tell me your not making money, or else you wouldnt be in this business! With the threat we face everyday on our 2A rights, we need to come together and help each other, not bash on products. You as a business in this industry owner should know that.

[@cmk07stang]

This guy is butt hurt because Hornady might have something better than the 8.6 blk. He has alot of $$$ invested into making guns for that cartridge. All im hearing from him is hate and fear.

[@CorwinBos]

Kevin needs a dose of copium. About half of his cons? He is just outright wrong.

[@jeffreygwaltney9498]

I've made it 2:30 in and you have lost me. Duramag 6.5 grenel mag even the curved 26rd exceptionally reliable. Actually I would say as reliable as any straight 556 mag I've shot. Yea they work contrary to belief, but you are the expert. Bolt face i can see where an uninformed person wouldn't realize noveske sells an upgraded dlc bolt for $100 which may be alot but nothing compared to 3k for a honey badger fit for a school girl. Maybe that was to far but how this works is you develop a cartridge that shows promise on "paper" and then test it. Obviously it's a hammer and subsonic deviation is sub 10 which on paper is incredible. So I'm excited thanks for your expert opinion

[@Shoresy42069]

Threatens my 8.6 sales = IT SUCKS

[@WalksWithNoFear]

@@Shoresy42069 competition breeds innovation. Innovation advances the industry.

[@jakeeames725]

I like the 6 arc for hunting tho

[@lucasv3825]

On the upside cup and core bullets won't be coming apart in the muzzle brake or suppressor.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

With 8.6.

[@honkhonk6443]

Why Q, why isn't fix straight pull action?

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Bc it’s 45 degree.

[@K-bob_45]

Seeing uncle Kev so animated sparks joy. Also where can the reduced capacity cases be purchased? This seems like a great product for 8.6 and 308 subs. Trail boss is non existent

[@deno2566]

RIP Trailboss. Wish there was a substitute.

[@zapf6987]

Trail Boss is being made again, give it some time to work it's way from the overseas manufacturer

[@deno2566]

@@zapf6987really?! You just made my day!

[@danielllewellyn5720]

Yeah, where has all the Trail boss been the last few years?

[@Mrgunsngear]

🍿

[@ArcChain]

😎

[@bry2k]

😂

[@caffeineandphilosophy]

Speaking as a 338 Spectre owner: Pros of the 338 ARC: - Smaller frame receiver (also, often a more reliable receiver) [does not apply to bolt guns] - Less spin drift (relative to 8.6) = more accuracy (kind of) Cons of the 338 ARC: - Less spin = not *quite* as destructive terminal performance - Less case-capacity for more powerful supersonics TBH, price is such a non-issue. Anyone shooting funky sub/hybrid guns with weird, non-308/5.56 rounds is already paying money, not to mention suppressors, SBR tax stamps (maybe), and proprietary premium for rounds, either from Q or Southern Ballistics Research or whomever. Saving $50 on a bolt is pennies, when you're already $1500 in gear over a normal AR. My 16" barrel from SBR was about $400, my YHM 9mm suppressor and adaptor + tax stamp came out to about $850, and the 6.8 bolt face (you don't need a whole new bolt) came with the barrel -- I have a pretty low-end spectre, and that was still $1250, most of which was the suppressor. It's the ammo that's expensive, but Halworx makes reasonably priced sub rounds now, and it's not like 8.6 BLK is cheap. The spectre runs fine with 6.8 SPC mags. Maybe ARC is different in requiring a new bolt, and not just a face... and I guess different mags? But then it becomes a question of 338 ARC vs Spectre. TL;DR, if you're making an AR, run 338 ARC or Spectre. If you're running a bolt gun, there's basically no reason not to just run 8.6 BLK.

[@anthonymaxim6645]

Making the bolt out of an "exotic material" shouldn't even be in the conversation. Geissele's enhanced bolts are FORGED instead of being machined from a casting or billet. Yes they do still use a better quality steel for the bolts and carriers but calling them exotic is a bit of an exaggeration. Machining the bolt from a forging instead of a casting or billet, you can actually make it from a lower quality steel and it will still be stronger, more impact/stress resistant than a cast or billet bolt. They just go the extra mile and make the shit out of better material. Obviously making a bolt with a larger diameter case head from a forging is a good idea but regular 5.56 bolts should also be made from a forging especially if used with full power 62,000 PSI loads. The Grendel cartridges have slight disadvantages but most hunters don't want to build an AR-10 and they shouldn't have to for the purpose we're talking about. Better AR bolts should just be a common practice for manufacturers. Some people like myself though are even interested in shooting the .338 ARC out of a bolt action AR upper. In fact there are a lot of cartridges that could be pretty popular in an AR-15 bolt action upper if the uppers were just more affordable. Your concerns about feeding reliability with these cartridges shouldn't be a problem in a bolt action upper that's properly designed. Your concerns for limited capacity with these cartridges are honestly a joke to most people who will use them to hunt. We have other weapons for that which are chambered in more common cartridges. Most people who are going to use these suppressed weapons aren't really worried about buying ammunition in bulk either. Again we have different weapons for that purpose. Long story short, getting into an AR-10 platform is just kind of overkill for most people for hunting with a subsonic cartridge. That being said, I think the supersonic 8.6 blackout is a great idea if you want to build an AR-10 and I think most people would agree.

[@ngaoutdoors4157]

WOW! Butt hurt lol. Get over yourself and your overpriced guns. Guarantee these guys will have a 338 arc in the near future 🤟 Had a 308 Q and recoil was horrible, cheap ass bolt handle was horrible and my $500 Ruger American shot same group size 😂😂😂

[@TuxPenguino]

Ehats the barrel life on 8.6 supers?

[@WinxWaterFowl]

338 arc hasn't even been on the market yet it literally just got announced with in the past week my problem is you complain about the price of exotic material bolts that are maybe a few hundred dollars when Q sells base rifles starting at basically 3k personally this video has backfired not only on you but Q llc all together i think you and Q llc should have waited for ballistics charts before critiquing the round and i used to like Q product but now i will second guess and i am sure many others will second guess to continue buying anything from Q now due to this video at the end of the day if 338 arc performs the way i want it to that will be the choice i will go with and if ammo is cheaper it makes the choice that much better i have many high end or very expensive guns that require expensive ammo 338 lm/ 416 barret/ cheytac .375 etc etc are few of many on that list i don't mind not having to buy 8.6 for an extremely overpriced rifle for the performance

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Overpriced? But, you want performance… We don’t need to wait for them to tell us the ballistics. We can calculate it. We’ve been thru this twice before…300blk and 8.6blk. Slow twist is irrational for 338 ARC. There is no actual supersonic load for 338 arc in short barrels, unless they do a hybrid case…that won’t be cheap.

[@WinxWaterFowl]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 yes overpriced Q llc is asking 3k for a rifle that has an effective range of maybe 400 yards that to me is overpriced low performance with a elevation drop of over 50 inches to target at 400 yards and delivers less than 1000 ftlbs of energy to target at the same distance also hornady literally has 175 gr hp match listed as a supersonic option muzzle velocity is 2075 literally far above the 1125 transonic area before subsonic the 338 arc is not necessarily listed as an 8.6 direct competitor either it is designed to fit ar15 spec rifles where as the 8.6 blk cannot fit the ar15 platform you would have to use an ar10 platform or one of your $4300 boutique rifles/pistols again building a 338 arc regardless certain components being pricey as you state over and over in your video is still better price to performance than spending damn near 5k no matter how you put it

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

@@WinxWaterFowl so price and value are determined by how far you can shoot… 👍🏾

[@WinxWaterFowl]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 don't get me started on accuracy its been reported many times on forums that alot of performed accuracy testing is 2 - 3 moa? coming from a boutique rifle shop and as an owner who gloats his extremely pricey guns and niche ammunition you would think these rifles would be dead on and actually yes quality coming from many of my guns is based on accuracy over distance but it sounds like you base form over function not the other way around not a good look on you and your company again 3 - 5k on a gun with a lifting bolt carrier issue and notorious for light primer strikes and unpredictable accuracy is not on my list of guns i would deem QUALITY

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

@@WinxWaterFowl we guarantee 1 moa. 8.6, with the correct load also provides that. We are currently get under 5 sd’s with the mil ammo, super and subs. There are no light primer strike issues. You can’t use machine primers in striker guns. Not ours, not Remington 700’s, etc.

[@onarampage247]

I just wish Q would make their stuff affordable like Hornady and then the masses could enjoy it.

[@online247365]

We all wish it was possible but: Q wouldn't be able to make their awesome, cutting edge stuff without incurring a LOT of costs through R&D and purchasing new tooling and/or machining equipment. *In my best Kevin from Q voice* "...and that's why." 😉

[@onarampage247]

@@online247365haha lots of R&D on safari in Africa, huh. Well anyway then most of us financially responsible people will stick with Hornadys inferior products then.

[@Yoda052]

Can you point me to the Hornady rifle link ? By the way, Hornady lists dies for 338 ARC, but ZERO load data.

[@onarampage247]

Hornady isn't a rifle manufacturer. I would think you knew that by watching the video. But all major rifle manufacturers sell rifles in cartridges they make. Can't say that about Q designed cartridges though. Very niche and in my opinion not worth the money. But yuppies will always need the newest gear to compensate for crappy shooting skills.

[@theguardian4376]

Just save your money Magic ain’t cheap 🎉

[@snakeman48]

What ever Kevin.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Thanks, snakeman!

[@NicolasDesmonts]

I guess the market will decide which is selling best or at least which is suited best for which customer. The 300 whisper was invented in the early nineties, it took almost two decades and a transformation to 300 BO to get decent projectiles that expend at subsonic speeds and that are widely available in factory cartridges. I did fall for the 8.6 BO hype and I was hoping to get a descent subsonic cartridge with more grunt than the 300. I was also hoping to get 300m subsonic hunting capabilities with it. So I built myself a rifle on a tikka t3 base. Formed and neck turned good brass , tried to develop loads as good as possible. Also played with some 160 Barnes . Accuracy is there with the supersonic 160’s. But in subsonic with some makers bullets ,for the moment it is no better than my 300bo. It kind of makes it a 150 m viable round for hunting and that is it. At 300m I get almost 2feets of vertical spread on the same vertical line due to speed variations. So far a bit disappointing. I am going to persevere a bit more , I just got some adg brass and I’m hoping to tighten my groups at 300m, but I was honestly considering making my own wildcat based on the ARC or 7.62x39 case shorten down ( look up 338 scorpion, it has already been made. There is also a 338 Lehigh that went nowhere it seems). Now, hornady has answered my prayer , and I am actually looking forward to building a rifle in that new cartridge. My hope is to be able to reduce that velocity spread that I am getting with the 8.6 bo. It will more likely be based on a howa mini action. It is going to take at least a year or two for the industry to adapt, get better magazines for that new round and get better brass manufacturers than hornady to make descent stuff. And more barrels available with the right twist and get the price of the reamer down ! It is currently $270 for a manson reamer and $70 for a go gauge ! I guess they are surfing on the novelty. Good luck to Q, good luck to hornady,as I said ,at the end the market will decide.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

He keeps saying "limited mag capacity" like its 10 rounds or something, 6.5 Grendel/6ARC mags are 24/25 rounds. It is _technically_ reduced, but not as reduced as the 338BLKOUT magazines since theyre standard at 20.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

😂

[@texpatriot8462]

My 6ARC magazine is limited capacity. I use it for hunting. Why would I want a long magazine sticking out the bottom?

[@JamesCopeland-i1j]

For anyone who might be interested in any facts beyond all this blacked out butthurt... - 338 ARC is real - it cycles reliably - the necessary hardware is real - rifles should be available at launch - it's been proven at public events - it is NOT 338 Spectre (irrelevant to the video, but I don't want anyone to make the same mistake I did) All that being said... comparing it to either 8.6 or 300 Blackout, is about as pointless as tits on a boar hog.... but since literally EVERYONE, including Hornady, insists on it... let's go. Let's address the slim similarities. 8.6 Blackout - .338 caliber - Subsonic-focused development, with supersonic capability 300 Blackout - fits AR15 receiver - developed with both subsonic and supersonic capability as-spec There's your similarities. End of story. Now let's address the differences, and dispell a few myths. First off, 8.6 Blackout IS a cool cartridge... in the very specific equipment it was designed for. It's a considerably larger, more powerful cartridge, that wasn't even designed to fit AR15 receivers. Completely different animal. I'm not going to bother addressing all the idiosyncrasies, because it's frikkin' pointless. If you need the power of 8.6, you're not even in the realm of 338 ARC territory. Take it or leave it. Brass tax. That's it, in a nutshell. Now 300 Blackout. A great round... for what it is.... a combat cartridge with a comparable 💩 ton of limitations. It satisfied the military. It satisfied a ton of hunters. There's still a group of people it DIDN'T satisfy... those who seek more subsonic potential from the AR15 receiver. To do so, AT MINIMUM requires a new bolt. If that bothers you, 300 Blackout is your top-out cartridge. Understandable. 10 years ago, refaced/alternative bolts were a huge issue. Today... not so much. Now that we have all that out of the way... let's focus on the visually similar Spectre 338 ARC and Spectre both began life as an attempt to satisfy a client seeking a subsonic solution. ARC was shelved early. Spectre wasn't. Despite their common origin, and visual similarities, 338 ARC IS NOT 338 Spectre. I made this HUGE mistake in my haste to benchrace comparisons. The best way I can describe their differences and similarities, is to say 338 ARC is a commercialized adaptation. If you're expecting to custom load 338 ARC to gain the performance envelope of Spectre, let me save you the trouble... it probably ain't safe, and may not even be possible. I don't see more than a handful of custom Spectre rifles ever becoming available. Then again, with all the light shed from 338 ARC, this might change. For all intensive purposes, 338 Spectre offers CONSIDERABLE performance headroom, particularly at longer ranges. You wouldn't think such a slight difference in case length/volume would make such a difference... but it does. Many consider performance floor for subsonic is 500lb-ft. Thanks to Spectre's tolerance of higher BC bullets... this range more than doubles that of 338 ARC. If you don't mind small-batch ammo, and compiling your own hardware... 338 Spectre is the current pinnacle in AR15 receiver subs. I don't see that changing anytime soon. Now that we've addressed what 338 ARC isn't... let's get on to what it is. 338 ARC is designed for those who want more subsonic performance from an AR15 receiver. Thanks to proper deployment and commercialization practices, shooters will be able to purchase off-the-shelf rifles, ammo, and/or associated hardware upon release. As is the story with virtually every new cartridge since the dawn of new cartridges... it's just commercializing a sector which previously required custom builds and hand-loaded or small batch ammunition. So what do you get for all this? Please note, the following statements are based on non-Spectre AR15 receiver options. I'm not concerned with what's available for AR10, and neither is Hornady. If you want the smaller, lighter, more compact capacity of AR15, read on. -338 ARC will deliver more off-the-retail-shelf subsonic performance. Period. -Anything that hits harder, doesn't have the range or repeatable accuracy -Anything that has the range, doesn't hit as hard, and probably lacks comparable wind stability. -It runs clean... reducing service intervals and soot-related issues such as fouling and reduced effectiveness of muzzle devices -reduced or eliminated gas-sensitivity between subsonic/supersonic loads -generally more consistent cycling, thanks to higher pressures Is there a sacrifice? Always. Bullet drop is real. Elevation/hold corrections will be necessary. As with all subsonic... drop comes on quick. You're fairly level to a 100 yard zero... but double that distance, and you're already the better part of a yard stick down, at over 33". Generally speaking... this is a highly efficient, effective, and viable subsonic cartridge, with respectable supersonic capacity. If you're an AR15 subsonic enthusiast... I expect schoolgirl grins from some people who usually take themselves waaaay too seriously.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

When did you shoot it?

[@JamesCopeland-i1j]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 - somewhere in the month of Neverember, and Sune 2025. I know you had the chance to get close with some similar development rounds. WTF didn't you see this coming? The popularity of your 300BLK literally blew the hinges off the AR15 subs market for hunters. What's got you so irritated? This could've been yours. Hell, it SHOULD'VE been yours. You know why it wasn't? Somewhere between knowing nobody is going to beat Spectre for performance envelope, and being obsessed with developing 8.6, you just couldn't stand the thought of taking a back seat. I don't blame you. You're an innovator... not exactly the "this other cartridge does it better" kinda guy... so you stepped up to the AR10 segment to do what you do best... innovate. Good on you for it. Obviously the choice was successful enough to continue swelling that head to non-AR15 proportions. Nobody is taking anything from you... but this? Honestly though... nobody expected any different from you. Just look at the comments. Two camps... Blackout fanboys cheering you on, and people who were only surprised by your reaction time. Hornady's little poke-the-bear statements in their video, were factual, and worked flawlessly. Regardless of the amount of misinformation you put out... it's just building the hype, and adding more spotlight. Keep up the good work 👍

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

@@JamesCopeland-i1j so, you’ve never shot it. What misinformation in my posts or video?

[@JamesCopeland-i1j]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 - @kevinbrittingham6774 - in this video, you present two opinions... which are, for all intensive purposes, unsubstantiated. 1- you eluded to 338 ARC requiring curved mags that can't be made to work reliably in an AR15 receiver. Testing and public exhibition have already proven the cartridge to cycle reliably in a magazine-fed AR15 receiver. 2- you spout your disbelief that a 338 projectile can be made to cycle reliably AT ALL... ARC or no ARC.... in the AR15 receiver. To support this claim, you cite the ogive adjustments you were required to make in development of 300BLK. Fact is, it's been done... not only by Hornady, but by others as well.... and with proven success. There are a lot of factors at play here. I won't bother to elaborate on the first one... but the 2nd, deserves more attention. I think what led you to your disbelief, were the development demands of 300BLK. The duty cycles, reduced bore throat, cycle trajectory, and prescribed magazine, were all limiting factors. You did a great job in developing a cartridge that can reliably check all the boxes for the application. What you haven't wrapped that success-swelled head around, is how .338 ARC wasn't designed in such a restrictive envelope. In all your experience... you should know as well as anyone, how much slight differences can effect subsonic performance. The fact remains, the breathing room afforded by a larger diameter case, and the associated shorter case length, allow for SIGNIFICANT improvements in BC profile. Now combine a more gradually sloped ogive, with a wider bore throat, and less magazine feeding restrictions... you see what I'm getting at? Even if 338 ARC had the exact same cycle trajectory/vector of 300BLK, there's obviously more headroom for squeezing in more performance. Granted, the tolerance deviations of all these factors are slim... but in the subsonic realm, and in combination, they open up considerable margin for cartridge design. You know this. You know ALL of this. ...but you're the loudest momma duck in the subsonic marsh, sitting at the AR15 pond on her one duckling, screaming about how your other kid at the AR10 pond is better, and Hornady's new kid should be dead in the water. We hear ya, bud. We hear ya. ...but 338 ARK is about to leave it's daddy's wing.... and I have a feeling it won't be concerned with your squawking.

[@popinmo]

.350 legend is way way better and more powerful at nearly 308 levels of power in some barrels vs sbr 308s

[@adamhorr8492]

338 Spectre, i also still enjoy and have no reliability issues with my 6.8 spc

[@joem6779]

6.8 spc so under rated,

[@Chief-ek1vl]

Whos gonna tell him that durmag makes 30 dollar 6 arc mags

[@JNOSNOW]

But they're curved so they must not work lol. Who's going to tell him there are lots of 6.5 Grendel bolts that don't just break anymore.

[@kenbrown46]

They designed it to compete with the 300 blk, with more knock down with subsonic rounds since the bullet weight is considerably heavier. 6.5 grendel is a awesome cartridge and the the mags work just fine. Also what about the ar15's that are chambered for 7.62x39? Totally curved mags and it works just fine. This guy has a chip on his shoulder about the 338, alot of what he complains about are non-issues.

[@tysonfromm5397]

I still want a 338 razorback lol.

[@TheMikeshannon]

I had zero desire to buy a 338 arc till now.

[@joemama.556]

12 mins of a grown man crying, just what I needed

[@GiveMeThatCake]

I can't tell if it's Kevin or John Willis in the comments

[@Peppicoooo]

Cope

[@johndeere6660]

Kevin What about the casecapacity „Problem „ In subs they talked about I think in one video from africa you guys been testing 8.6with smaller inner cases ore some kind

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

We work to innovate. We have experimented with restricting case capacity by machining shells and also by using longer bullets. Both work great to lower SD’s. Obviously longer, heavier bullets offer additional BC and terminal performance. We eventually discovered powder combinations yielding SD’s below 5. So, now we can shoot sub moa groups with super and subs, as expected, without unnecessarily, artificially restricting the case capacity.

[@johndeere6660]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 thanks from Germany

[@Crosshair84]

Combined supersonic/subsonic capability has always been a fools errand. The difference in trajectory is always massive and there's usually always at least some horizontal zero change. It's like trying to build a 100 mpg moped that can also haul a family of 4. Sure, you can see where having those combined capabilities would be useful. Are you actually going to be able to build something that does BOTH well? Probably not.

[@manobrass]

"He who chases two rabbits will lose them both." The 338 ARC will be a better subsonic caliber than the 8.6, and there are already loads of better supersonic calibers out there. I'll happily take two complete uppers hunting if it means both of them will actually run. The only customer-level 8.6 Blackout shooters that I have heard of getting good results in a gas gun with both subs and supers had to develop their own handloads for both. No thanks.

[@Crosshair84]

@manobrass You'd still be better off just running subsonic 450 Bushmaster if you want a big bullet at subsonic velocity.

[@maxcole3930]

Do you guys use faxon for your 8.6 bo barrels?

[@KidCorporate]

I've talked so many people out of this company's products.

[@hunterstanfield7100]

Just because you cant afford their stuff dont mean your friends need to suffer from lower quality guns as well, that aint a good friend

[@thegungooch639]

The quality is there. I like Q.. they make nice stuff, it's pricey but worth it

[@davidwithers7181]

​@hunterstanfield7100 he's the same guy that talks people out of stacattos but puts 2k into his glock..... we have a honey badger and fix because we like nice stuff and gues what they work and are not babied.

[@BrapBang]

Pros according to Hornady for the 338 ARC: -Chamber pressures in sub and supers are closer together so it easier to make a rifle function with both rounds. This is in contrast to 300 BLK and 8.7 BLK -Smaller case means powder fills the case in subsonic loads, resulting in lower SDs and ES and more subsonic accuracy. -Barrel is not fast twist; wider choice of bullets/no risk of blowing up cans if a bullet comes apart

[@CharlesR91]

It might suck, but your demeanor definitely does.

[@colbunkmust]

Nothing to do with 338 ARC, but the current micro bolt-gun that CZ makes has... a fully collapsing stock, alum chassis, uses AR-15 magazines, has a threaded barrel and 12 o'clock pic rail with 3, 6, and 9 M-lok plus an AR style safety and a 60 degree bolt throw...

[@blckandwhtknight]

I have no dog in this fight, no interest in either cartridge. That said, this response from the Q Representative is dishonest, and quite honestly childish. Dishonest because the premise is clearly outed as false from the start; "338 sucks". It clearly doesn't "suck" because this representative didn't even wait 24 hours before rushing to defend his product, not something a confident man does. Secondly he opens with a false statement, the pros for 338? nothing really. Having listened to the podcast from Hornady the first thing the stood out was the focus on case efficiency and the twist rate of the barrel for 338 ARC, a major problem for the 8.6 that this rep conveniently skips over. The 1/3 twist of the 8.6 is insanely fast and a serious concern for the cartridge as a whole, involving everything from ballistic stability, bullet integrity, and even suppressor baffle strikes. The 338 ARC was purpose built to function on a normal 1/8 twist barrel with a very efficient burn. This is not "nothing".

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

😂 nice theory and safe call.

[@jamesbridges7750]

Kevin talking about restricted case capacity gave me flashbacks of drilling resin filled 308 cases😂

[@derekburgett8639]

“All arc sucks because I didn’t think about it first!”

[@derekburgett8639]

“Sub x weakest bullet on the market, solid copper cx bullet” proceeds to take it to Africa to shoot big game

[@joshuabailey5140]

@derekburgett8639 how many rounds, supressors, and firearms have you developed?

[@Cypress1312]

@@joshuabailey5140does developing something make you immune from being wrong

[@joshuabailey5140]

@Cypress1312 at no point is Kevin wrong. Every criticism of the 8.6 ARC is legitimate. These are issues known in the industry, some for decades. I like Hornady and have friends that work for them, but I think the 8.6ARC is going to suffer because of the choices that were made during development.

[@Cypress1312]

@@joshuabailey5140 “taper cartridges don’t work in AR-15’s” is far from a legitimate critique you could make of the cartridge, considering the two ARC cartridges that already have SAAMI specs have less taper than both .223rem and .300BLK.

[@midwestbd7144]

It sure would be nice to have an 8.6blk if ammo was being manufactured and gun companies made guns besides Q. As soon as pre fit barrels come it stock for bolt rifles I’m going to try the 338 arc