Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas is Holiday Retcon Nightmare Fuel

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Hey guys! Today I'm kicking off a week of Christmas in July with Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas. This was requested a lot last holiday season and I never got around to it...also everyone knows that Beauty and the Beast is an obsession of mine so it was a fun video to make.
Thank you for hanging out in my little online living room. Stay safe and have a great day/night/unit of time. I'll see you in the next video...bye! :)

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Sorry this didn't go live last night...youtube yeeted the first version so I had to take it back to the editor.

[@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072]

For what reason? 37:18 Also women had huge pockets in the 18th century. This pocket problem seems to be a more recent thing.

[@noahhutchins5164]

Forte just wanted Beast to be his emo boyfriend so they could be a Gothic power couple, but instead Beast just kills him by straight up ripping his guts out

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

The more you think about it, the more tragic it is. 😭

[@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072]

I don't mean to be that guy but forte ultimately kiIIs himself carelessly.

[@shelbymckinney8888]

I personally believe Tim Curry's diet just consists of the scenery he has chewed in the films he stared in. Also, Bernadette Peters and Paige O'Hara harmonizing together is perfection!

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

The man is simply built different and the rest of us could never and I love that for him.

[@Ribonchan]

That I totally agree with. I’ve always found this film to be a guilty pleasure of mine because of those two actors, especially Bernadette Peters singing with Paige O’Hara.

[@lizan2678]

Tim Curry and CGI-animation combo is actually amazing.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

It really is!

[@bootsthecat6718]

"you need a Christmas tree? Have you tried looking in the black forest?" Okay Hogwarts, I'm not falling for your tricks this time!

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

😅😅😅 if forte is a horcrux than everything makes sense.

[@1993joshualiu]

The Flashback Scene when Adam became a Beast terrified me.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Yeah it was pretty intense.

[@digapygmy70]

I firmly believe this movie was created just to sell VHS tapes and the special edition Belle Barbie doll in her red velvet Christmas dress lol. I loved my Belle doll though, so no complaints! I also think about Forte the evil pipe organ way too often for someone in their 30s lmao.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I think you're totally right... though we got evil Tim Curry organ so that's why I'll personally never complain too much. 😂

[@THATGuy5654]

Many people like Christmas. People make movies that feature people who don't like Christmas learning to like Christmas. People who don't like having messages shoved down their throats decide they don't like Christmas because of how many movies are about people learning to like Christmas. Those people have movies made about them. The cycle continues.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Like a Hallmark movie eco system!

[@MrSupertallblackman]

The CGI organ freaked me out as a kid but for some reason I was also drawn to to it and I hunted for this movie. Then I found it and I was disappointed with how boring and uninteresting it was. But as always Tim Curry is awesome.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Oh Tim makes this movie worth watching as he does with so many things. That man is an iconic legend.

[@lloydneal3137]

me too!! so strangely alluring. such an awesome character design, and Tim 100% makes it

[@hippiechik95]

This movie has so many plot issues, but there are a lot of concepts in it that I love. The animation has some pretty great moments, the characters of Forte, Fife, and Angelique are great even if they don’t exactly fit in the original film, and the fact that all the voice actors returned for it is a big plus. Honestly I think the script just needed more fine-tuning (pun intended)! I know you said you’ve got a backlog of Christmas requests, but The Legend of Frosty the Snowman from 2005 is a special I rarely see people talking about. It’s one that I loved as a kid for its take on Frosty, and it’s got an absolutely stellar cast full of voice acting powerhouses, including Tom Kenny, Bill Fagerbakke (I hope I spelled that right), Kath Soucie, and Tara Strong, along with Burt Reynolds as the narrator!

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I agree! My only real complaint is the massive retcon issues. But even so it has some fun characters and Forte is unironically one of my favorite Disney villains.

[@hippiechik95]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff Forte is the definition of a problematic fav!

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@hippiechik95 yes 😂😂😂

[@alexklepp6479]

I love Beauty and the Beast too. I always cry at the ending. I haven't really seen much of this film but I like the idea of doing a Christmas in July. I once heard Christmas music playing in a mall a few Julys ago so I like the idea.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

It's a good chance to get some of the Christmas videos done ahead of schedule and also get into the festive mood before it's freezing and we're all tired of hearing Michael Buble music every waking moment.

[@vzanto4630]

The Disney sequels are pretty cool, I remember Ariel's daughter and some Tarzan tv sequel being my best. Also, have you ever watched any Kids WB shows like The Batman, Xiaolin Showdown, or Mucha Lucha?

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Yeah I remember the little mermaid 2 and Tarzan and Jane and they were fun. I've seen batman but none of the other ones I don't think.

[@montyish]

Pipe organ tech here; yeah seeing as the time period pre-dates electricity, knocking over the console like that would absolutely disable the organ as every key and stop is directly linked to the pipe chest work. Dramatic move but hey, it would work. Side note: Organs are NEVER portrayed accurately in animated movies/shows and it bugs me so much. At least this movie managed to make it half-authentic. P.S.: love the channel!

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Thank you so much for watching and sharing that; it's super fascinating! Is there one main thing you would advise to animators to make organs more accurate in cartoons?

[@montyish]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuffAnimators, STOP CURVING THE KEYBOARDS! It’s not practical and no builder does that

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@montyish ahhhh! Gotcha, I never would have known. Thank you for this info. :)

[@prochoicenotantivax119]

belle "noone can forbid christmas Charles the 1st "drops the mike"

[@timmy-the-ute2725]

I am glad you like this movie special. I am so tired of the negative reviews on KZbin. I watch this every Christmas.

[@ponytailproductions2503]

“This is how Casper died!” 😭 (Yes I’m watching this in May, I’m having a marathon of Avery’s wonderful Beauty and the Beast videos)

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Thank you!!

[@ilikecurry2345]

Just enough budget to animate Tim Curry's LIPS!!!

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Just enough 😂

[@GPS_DS]

A Jelloapocalypse fan, I see!

[@johanandersson8252]

Forte: Happyness is bad

[@SerenitySpiderMonkey]

one of my favorite disney films. I remember it being called belle's enchanted christmas too

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Ok, I'm glad I'm not alone!

[@richhonican1457]

The funniest thing I remember from this movie is Forte saying "I'm bolted to the wall!!" His eyes get big when he says wall. Time code 7:54

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Agreed! I love Tim Curry and his dedication to literally every role he plays.

[@richhonican1457]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff Agreed

[@EddieMillerStudios]

If memory serves correctly, that scared me when I was little!

[@UJEvans]

Dang. Girl's giving hot takes on cold weather.

[@daniellel230]

I believe the evil organ encapsulates my energy quite well

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Honestly same. I think he'd be fun to hang out with and he may be less homicidal if he has a buddy.

[@Vernydog92]

Since it's Christmas I just got done watching this movie. I wanted to point out that Paul Ruebens is the voice of Fife. None other than Peewee Herman! So you get Tim Curry and Peewee Herman working off one another. Just genius.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

It's true! I failed to mention that but it's so random and wonderful!

[@PaulonotPaul8]

Considering the creator didn't know beast's name, plot and continuity issues were a given. If only it were easy to turn off when turned on lol. Chip getting a pair of socks in such a big box was just cruel (ah shyt that first part rhymed too). That photo of little you is adorable 🐱

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I like how everyone's arguing about what his name is in the fandom and then Glen Keane is just like, "eh, belle called him beast so who cares what his parents called him? 🤷‍♀️" Thank you! I know I have a physical copy of that picture somewhere but I couldn't find it when making the video so I screenshot it off of my mom's Instagram. 😂

[@PaulonotPaul8]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/j365qoGJqpZ3q6s that's a link to the pilot episode. I watched that show on rerun a lot as I was big on Beauty and the Beast too.

[@PaulonotPaul8]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff Hopefully the link works, let me know if not.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@PaulonotPaul8 link works perfectly thank you!

[@conveniencestoreentertainm1968]

I oddly remember seeing this. It was a decent movie but this review makes it better. Great review Avery can't wait for the next one

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Aww, thank you! I used to watch this with my grandma and she's delighted that so many of you remember it as well as just us. 🥺

[@danielmalinen6337]

Fortunately, I saw this movie dubbed, so I couldn't connect the organ to Tim Curry, but because of the Finnish translation, I believed for years that Angelique was Lumiere's sister.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Oh well that's...an awkward take on things 😬 tim is really my favorite part of the whole movie that man jumps in head first to every role he's in and I love that

[@danielmalinen6337]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff It's kind of awkward, I admit, but I've heard a lot of people complain that when they hear Curry as the voice of the bad guy, they can't take the movie seriously. It's sad because it tells how a career as a comedian took its toll on Tim Curry as an actor and still continues to define him.

[@captainastro_]

Another great video! Brought back some great memories

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Thank you! I'm glad!

[@androgynylunacy]

Watching this reminds me of the meme 'When you watched Beauty and the Beast as a child, did you think "ewww I like the beast better" when the beast turned back into a human because same.' Maybe I find it hilarious because I am an older millenial. Belle is my favorite Disney princess though.

[@gracedarlene6670]

This video just made me remember this Disney Christmas compilation dvd they released called Disney Princess: A Christmas of Enchantment. I’m pretty sure it had this movie on it and I played that thing to death all year round.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Omg I forgot about that one! Such a classic. 🙂

[@user-vt8kz1ll7b]

Tim is always a highlight w/o fail

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Every. Single. Time.

[@alexiacaceda1421]

that movie is a fever dream

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Right?? There was a period of time where I swore I had dreamt it.

[@abbyk9025]

Anyone else keeping track of Avery's band names? We've got Nightmare Angel, Candle Hands and Wonderland Rave.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Someone cataloged then a while back but it's been a second. 😅

[@box0choco593]

Sorry I missed a lot of your vids lately but I got SO excited when I saw you were talking about this movie.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

No worries! It's good to see you 😊 this one was a lot of fun to make

[@box0choco593]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff that's good to hear I think you actually have fun with your vids they're a comfort channel for me

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@box0choco593 oh I definitely have fun making them! I'm glad they're a comfort for you guys because they're a great outlet for me. ,💛

[@box0choco593]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff good job for almost 3k Avery!!!!

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@box0choco593 thank you I can't believe it!

[@vegetasasuke0]

If you love Beauty and the Beast I would surely love for you to cover the anime movie "Belle" by Mamoru Hosoda, it's a very strange adaption but I like what they did with it.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I will check that out! I've never heard of it before. There's also a version where Tim Curry voices the Beast that I also need to cover.

[@vegetasasuke0]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff Anything with Tim Curry is always a treat! 😉

[@alicebthegachaweirdo8378]

I have something to admit: I have watched this movie more times than I have watched the first Beauty and the Beast movie. Enchanted Christmas is one of my favourite Disney sequels. The character Forte was terrifying to me when I was a kid, unfortunately (I guess) I grew watching the movie in Swedish, so I didn’t get to hear Tim Curry’s voice in this movie until now. I remember the scene where Belle sings that song while writing a book being probably my favourite scene in the movie.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I think that's valid! This is one of the best sequels they made. I will watch literally anything with Tim Curry and I love all things beauty and the beast so I totally get that.

[@kolbythurlow2422]

anything with Tim Currey is good

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Truth ^^

[@TheMalinverseOfficial]

That’s some really good animation quality for direct-to-video. Also have you heard of the knock-off Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer: The Movie that got a theatrical release?

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

It actually is pretty good for the budget it had! This is one of the better direct to home video movies Disney made. I've heard of that Rudolph movie but had no idea it got a theatrical release.

[@connorannable8608]

New Disney direct to video reaction idea - either one of the Aladdin sequels

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Oohh, I don't think I've actually seen them all the way through so that could be fun

[@connorannable8608]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff Return of Jafar honestly worked better as a TV movie, but Aladdin and the King of Thieves is slightly better, since Robin Williams comes back as the Genie

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@connorannable8608 yeah, there's no matching robin. 💛

[@tristanpetty7173]

​@@connorannable8608Also John Rhys Davies (Sallah, Gimli) as Aladdin's father.

[@sophiathedandilioness]

Nightmare Angel officially added to my song title list

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Yes!

[@weepywilliam392]

This is amazing, personally I don't celebrate Christmas in July because Halloween is always on my mind except when other holidays roll around 😭

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Thank you! I don't celebrate Christmas in July except for getting some ground covered on Christmas content here 😁 I honestly low key celebrate Halloween all year round. 🧡🖤

[@weepywilliam392]

Halloween is the best holiday and the origins are so interesting!! Also have you seen the movie trick r treat?? It's my favorite horror movie :))

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@weepywilliam392 I love trick r treat!! Last year I had my annual viewing with my brother and the psa in the begining led me down the rabbit hole that ended in me making a video on a Halloween safety psa from the 80s. 😂

[@weepywilliam392]

OOOHHHHH okokokok like I said it's my favorite and Sam is adorableeee!!

[@reddemon7823]

When I was a little kid I did the same think that belle did lad down in the snow

[@meta527II]

I'll even say that I PREFERRED THE LIVE-ACTION BEAUTY AND THE BEAST OVER THIS! I am not kidding.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Ooof, that's how you know it's bad. 😭

[@bloodsucker5485]

I can’t believe you didn’t mention the scene where Lumiere kissed Cogsworth on the cheek.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

dang it, I knew I missed something!

[@tristanpetty7173]

I think that was the first film

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@tristanpetty7173 oh, I think I know which scene you mean! There was one in the original but I thought I had missed one here.

[@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072]

And we care because?

[@lukasmiller486]

On first glimpse, I thought those were Tarot cards on your laptop!

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Oddly enough I do collect tarot cards!

[@lizan2678]

Also! Thinking about old niche Disney Beauty and the Beast stuff awakened a memory - remember Sing Me a Story with Belle?

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

😳😳😳 that is a memory from the deepest depths of my mind

[@AidenFeltkamp]

The composer definitely put the music in the worst spot of everyone’s voices except maybe Tim Curry

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Yeah poor Paige was ✨trying her best✨

[@austinrenteria]

You should do a review of the Ion movie, "A Beauty and the Beast Christmas." Which isn't Disney and doesn't takes place in fairy tale times, but I really enjoyed it.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I'll check that out!

[@austinrenteria]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff cool.

[@nickwerner7983]

34:51 The stuff nightmares are made of…

[@harryfleutv666]

The axe sounds like Cy Borgman from the Harley Quinn animated series 😂

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

He actually does 🤣

[@sutomuarashi]

i used to be scared of forte but now I'm crushing on him. forte bb I can fix u

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Lol it's that Tim Curry magic. 😅

[@mikechicago6200]

A decent Disney sequel..or midquel

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Honestly, one of like three direct to VHS Disney projects that I would electively watch.

[@CakesWarden]

Forte is a better and more interesting villain than Gaston.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Love forte!

[@crissrudd4554]

Still looking stylish and stunning even without the sweater but Christmas in 5 months anyways sooo…. And yeah I guess if you need a CGI organ it may as well be Tim Curry.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Well, thank you! And yeah...only Tim can pull that off.

[@darthsidious47]

So let me get this straight. There is a evil organ in the attic that we see for the first time ever in this movie who is never mentioned again which creates so many plot holes and inconsistencies in the story making the series look like a piece swiss cheese, Chip seems to have dementia which is also never mentioned again, and Belle wrote some of the most classic Disney princess movies of all time all in one song. "Makes perfect sense to me" - The Mad Hatter (Alice in Wonderland Through the Looking Glass 2016)

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Lol, right?? Like the next time you watch beauty and the beast remember that for the first half of the movie there is an evil organ in the attic and for the second half there is a dead evil organ (soon to be human body) still in the attic. *plays when you wish upon a star on the kazoo*

[@darthsidious47]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff yeah I was wondering what was going to happen to the mess in the attic after the curse was broken because it probably didn't look pretty.

[@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072]

Not really. I mean come on can we meet every single servant?

[@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072]

​​@@darthsidious47 they cleaned up the mess before the cursed was lifted. Forte died in that form, so he'll stay in that form

[@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072]

​@Avery Talks About Stuff no I believe they cleaned up the mess. He died in that form so he'll stay in that form. That'd how it works

[@MadameSomnambule]

Eh, the beast may not have an official name but, I’m sticking with Prince Adam, it kinda fits him. I can see why the fandom stuck with it for a while. For all the movie’s flaws, I still like the songs and Forte and Beast’s arc.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I like Adam too! And yes this movie has a certain charm.

[@mikejohnson8391]

Beauty and beast films take place in 1800’s

[@BritishMotherfucker]

No I don’t think I’ve ever *seen* a Yule log

[@mikejohnson8391]

Try Voltron fleet of doom tv movie or twin peaks tv series prequel motion picture

[@BlackCover95]

5:43 A cogropractor.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

😂😂 this is great

[@lauracorbett4577]

Hey next watch the movie called Spontaneous an explosive love story with Katherine Langford and Charlie Plummer and review it I love for you to watch it

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I've never seen it before but I will hunt it down!

[@ieatkids8348]

when the curse is lifted forte's corpse is just chilling in the room everyone else is just like lmao rip bozo

[@souljuicestudios4115]

#phife4life

[@LavenderLydia]

I really hope you see this comment so long after posting: WHERE DID YOU GET THE FOX MUG?!?

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Haha, it was a gift but I think it came from tj maxx

[@LavenderLydia]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff 😭😭😭 that means it's probably long gone by now. Thanks, though. Foxes are my favorite

[@MrSupertallblackman]

It was Scary Godmother 2 The Revenge of Jimmy duh. I mean come on 🤣.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

ahh, you're correct! Where's my brain?? :D

[@brandyloutherback9288]

I hate what the writers did to Belle!

[@brandyloutherback9288]

Why is it so hard to write Belle, correctly? It was never her mission to change the Beast, Belle wasn't an MPDG, she was the Beast's Lizzie Bennet, someone who called him out, and refused to back down, until he changed his ways, for the better!

[@bazbanter9329]

Are you considering doing a video on the 1991 film? Never seen this sequel but it seems pale and unnecessary compared to the original feature. Just like Return of Jafar. The 1991 Disney film will always be the best of Beauty and the Beast media. The 2017 one was pure trash, Emma Watson had no chemistry with anyone in it. Just because it was live action doesn't make it anyway superior.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I've definitely been thinking about it... if you guys want to see it, I absolutely can because I agree it's superior to all.

[@bazbanter9329]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff What did you think of the 2017 one? I apologise if you enjoyed it, cos I know I am quite critical towards it. I just didn't like the change in Belle's personality

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@bazbanter9329 I didn't like the remake that much at all. I felt like most of the changes were totally unnecessary and the cgi was jarring. It was the best out of all the live action Disney remakes but that's not really saying much.

[@tristanpetty7173]

Did you know Fife is voiced by Paul Reubens aka Pee Wee Herman?

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I didn't know until I was almost finished editing but that's hilarious!

[@tristanpetty7173]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff Also Chip was voiced by pre-fame Hayley Joel Osment. The only other thing he was known for was playing Forrest Gump's son. Becomes funny when you realize there is a Beauty and the Beast world on Kingdom Hearts and he was the English voice of Sora.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@tristanpetty7173 I love it! So many voices in the cast that I never realized back in the day.

[@downinit]

Can I take you out to dinner?

[@limalepakko6074]

What’s with all the derpy faces

[@pokemaniac05]

I only have seen Beauty & the Beast via seeing scenes and people talk about it, so i don't have much of a attachment. Yeah Belle's Magical World is infamously bad & has been memed to death. I'm watching the 2001 Aussie cartoon Wicked, which i've talked about in a previous comment, but watching like the first couple of EPs & omg it was weird, creepy and very dark for something based on a book series by Paul Jennings & Morris Gleitzman. I have it in a created playlist for a few other Aussie animated series if you guys like to watch it for yourself. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqLMd3mEja57fKM&ab_channel=Snizel

[@PaulonotPaul8]

Okay here it is, the worst version of beauty and the beast ever. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/pX7GZHlqpp5-hbM again the show is much better than this and as I remember features two actors from this movie even though I don't think there connected?

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Oh dear lord, I have to cover this at some point because that's amazing!