Behringer Crave Tutorial #8 - Patchbay inputs

Patchbay time! Focusing primarily on inputs and how they react to a steady CV (coming from VC Mix).
Misspoke the TR/TS/TRS bit; check the comments below for corrections!

[@tedandersson8473]

These are really great tutorials. Actually the best I have found by far. It is just a matter of time before Behringer finds these and spread the word.

[@music-with-eric]

Thank you, that's very nice to hear :)

[@HenriquePelegrini]

​@@music-with-eric Behringer should at least buy you a Crave as retribution

[@roryofarrell1488]

This is exactly the kind of bland educational content that is so critcally important in understanding how things work. I'm new to this stuff, and this is so helpful. You are methodical yet quick. With a bit of note-taking chucked in this video has taught me so much about the Crave, patching, and sythesis as a whole. "Bland" is not boring, it is essential. Thank you very much.

[@charleswagner284]

Eric, thank you again for these videos. For a simple guitar player, they have helped me understand not just the Crave, but all synths in terms of how they function.

[@music-with-eric]

Glad to hear it! So much of what you learn on the Crave will apply to other synths; it's a great place to start.

[@GrischaEkart]

Excellent and comprehensive tutorials! Just as a reference: If you want to configure the Tempo input for CV signals, you need to set the Tempo Input Mode to CV AND the Clock Type Mode to TRIG (external trigger). On current version of the Crave firmware (1.1.3) you can do this on the device: Press SHIFT+ HOLD/REST + 8 to enter the setting mode. Press 5 to set Tempo Input to CV, then press twice to select page 3, then press 4 for external trigger. Press SHIFT + HOLD/REST + 8 to save changes.

[@freezerman5871]

Nice one, but there is no Page 3in settings, only pages 1 & 2. Other than that the tip is fine .However I ca't seem to make the crave sync to my Pocket Operator Sync signal. I'll look it up further.

[@GrischaEkart]

@@freezerman5871 on the current firmware there are 4 pages of settings as you can observe on page 63 of the manual: mediadl.musictribe.com/media/PLM/data/docs/P0DPX/CRAVE_QSG_WW.pdf

[@freezerman5871]

Thank you. I must have a old firmware then (and an old manual) - regretfully my PC wont open the app so I m kind of stuck with it.

[@stevehart175]

Fantastic tutorials, Eric. Really enjoyed learning alongside you! The joy is not arriving at the destination (where's the fun in that) but the journey to get there! Cheers.

[@JustPassingByBaby]

These are the best tutorials on Crave.... !!! And in general one can learn a lot about synthesis modulation via them!!!

[@cwxdaf152]

I'm 2 years late but this is very helpful. I can see the possibilities of each patch point as you go through them, and you're very clear on each. Thank you very much for making this vid. It's opened my eyes more than the many others I've watched. x

[@dmanh5144]

You are impressively thorough with your explanations and very effective at communicating.

[@SkyscanX1]

Excellent tutorial. Regarding the Tempo Patch. I believe the clock source setting in Synth Tool is CLOCK SOURCE:TRIG and then RATE:CV option in the settings. Thanks

[@music-with-eric]

Yes, that's it. Thanks!

[@andresov691]

thanks! ;D

[@futuremoves99g]

Thank you

[@cheetham72]

Thank you!

[@timhope2787]

You're a fantastic teacher Eric! I sold my Crave because I didn't really understand it but now I'm going to buy another! ....Tim, UK. .....and what a smooth voice!!

[@DjWuh]

These are incredible tutorials. I just have to say thanks again! You taught me more in one hour then I've been able to learn in 4 months playing with the device.

[@music-with-eric]

That's great to hear!

[@LockStoppageSandwich]

These are very useful lessons Eric………………………….I wish you could do these in depth tutorials on all Behringer synths 👍

[@keschgelb]

That brought me much further than most of the other tutorials. Thanks!!

[@ruaridhconnor6090]

Really enjoy your methodical approach. Looking forward to the next one.

[@music-with-eric]

Glad to hear that, thanks!

[@wesleyweir7912]

Your videos are so good, easy to follow and understand.

[@lpymb2]

your tutorials are absolutely great, thank you so much for this

[@HKz65]

Finally I understood how mix really works. Very good work again, thank you!

[@alexskepp]

This some really really great stuff you have here. Thanks for sharing your learnings!

[@benoit--martin]

Thank you very much for these tutorials. They are excellent. Bravo !

[@eshaan030390]

Best tutorials on youtube so far.. Thanks a lot.

[@nextmutant2886]

Thank you for your clear explanations

[@katzattakz4582]

I always wanted to learn synth but was always afraid of all the complications But the itch kept growing. Got my hands on a simple synth at my friend’s some years ago. Thanks for all these videos.

[@freezerman5871]

This was not boring at all, and very clear altogether. Super thank you! very well done.

[@cesarioborga]

Thank you so much . The Tutorial is going really Good . Good vibes from switzerland

[@outdatedgear5036]

I appreciate you taking the time to explain all this. I own a few semi modular synths and still don't really understand what most of the patch points do lol. This showed me a little more than what I knew. thanks.

[@timburlingame5893]

Absolutely fantastic. Thanks so much.

[@bitbotrecords]

Love this 🎉 here for it. Every day. Thank you for making these, having so much fun. As software developer I really appreciate your methodical approach ❤

[@marknoone4202]

Thank you so much.. Your tutorials got me up and going in no time! I like that you keep them short which gives me time to get up to speed & practice in between. You're a great teacher in the way you've started your lesson from rock bottom, which I admire. Looking forward to the rest of your lessons 😁

[@massamando2186]

Great stuff, really appreciate your videos!

[@vaaksvakuums]

Thanks a lot for such amazing step by step tutorials! Very, very good and useful!

[@TheEyeIllusion]

thnx very good tutorials, i am further now then i ever would be with this piece of hardware, i love it! AWSOME!

[@CraftyOldGit]

Wonderfully useful -- thank you.

[@MG53v8]

thanks for that , nice little follow through!

[@PhoenixGuitars]

Most comprehensive yet... for me anyway. I couldn’t figure out why the F cv tempo wasn’t working! Worth the price of admission alone. Thank you.

[@im-bb4fn]

Oh man, where were you when I got mine for Xmas 2020!!!??? I spent 5 months trying to learn what you just covered in 5 minutes!!! lol great video btw, keep'em coming!

[@davidgoode7416]

You make very helpful videos, thank you👊

[@andrewbatham9754]

Demystified! Thank you.

[@starchild3369]

Well done. A very beginner friendly declairing.

[@7Segment]

So helpful. Thanks!

[@cruepprich]

Makes a lot of sense. Thanks.

[@Neuri]

just using the word electricity explained so much in my cavebrain, thanks dude.

[@antoniostramaglia1316]

thanx lot. this video is very important

[@agnosturaelwsr]

Great! Thank you for this 🤓

[@afi6061]

Very helpful! 👍

[@jeno.javori_music]

Youre Great ! Thank you!

[@joseantoniolozanovera9882]

thank u!! very useful (love!!!

[@billcosharek2932]

Not that anyone cares but TS is Tip Sleeve not Tip Ring - but overall, thanks for this informative Crave tutorial series - most appreciated. (don't find this in the manual or anywhere else)

[@music-with-eric]

Thanks for catching it :)

[@Hakucho64]

Knowing the correct name for things makes it easier to buy them in shops and online. TS it is.

[@markharwood7573]

Thank you.

[@eightsprites]

Thanks! For all these howto videos. Im a almost totally noob, so very useful!

[@seeyoux5173]

cool !! behri

[@dylkil3081]

fantastic tutorials do you by any chance have any notes you took when learning about this machine?

[@music-with-eric]

Didn't really take any notes, besides jotting down some ideas about each topic as I prepared the video. I still have the drawings I made for the envelope and routing videos, but that's about it.

[@HelderMusic107]

Hi. Can the internal sequencer record cv changes of the oscillator pitch, or does it snap to quantized keyboard notes? If one plugs in a c. ribbon controller for example, can it record what I play in the ribbon unquantized into the internal sequencer?

[@music-with-eric]

I don't believe it can record CV changes like that. There was a very similar question posted on r/synthesizers recently that might be worth checking out (if it wasn't you!).

[@aboutstairs]

How exactly does Eurorack integration work with this? I own this and am thinking about buying a case and modules but want to know how much is usable "a la carte": can I patch into and straight out of the oscillator (gate + 1v/oct-> crave osc -> vca -> out)? How about the filter? It looks like I could patch into the external audio and set the mix knob all the way to the right and use the filter like that. Is this correct?

[@LillySchwartz]

If you are careful, yes. If you read the manual of the Crave, towards the end you see a table with voltage specifications for the patch points. They are specified as handling only -/+ 5V. There is no Eurorack standard with regards to voltage, BUT a lot of Eurorack modules go from -/+10V, so if you plug those straight into the Crave you might damage it. You might see people do this here on YoutTube and succeed, but this might cause longterm damage. And I speak from experience there since I have subjected ICs and Opamps to quite a bit of over voltage while designing circuits and broken them in the process. They might do fine 3 or 4 times and then start smoking. That's fine if you're messing with a chip that costs 30 cents, but not with a synth of 150€ 😬 Ideally these patch points of course should have over voltage protection, but the Moog Mother 32 doesn't and the Crave is essentially a clone. So, essentially you need to attenuate any signals to fall within -/+5V range if you want to plug them into the Crave, so the first module you should get is an attenuverter. Once you have that in place, then yes, you can patch the 1v/oct into OSC cv, the gate into env gate or you can plug an external envelope into the vca CV. You use the filter by plugging in external audio and setting the mix knob all the way to the right. If you don't want to attenuate any signals, then have a look at the AE modular. Smaller format, cheaper and -/+5V. You will need a few I/O modules for that though since that one uses Volca modular style cables. I find it's a good combination though!

[@music-with-eric]

I don't have any Eurorack modules or experience to answer this question, but I'm sure some other folks have covered this topic in videos. And Lilly's response here is very detailed!

[@thegekko5262]

Thank you for these awesome videos! Question: Why is your green LED not flashing in this video but in all the others? How do I get the green LED on my Crave to stop flashing and what does it mean? Thank you in advance!

[@music-with-eric]

This is somewhat strange! I plugged my Crave in just now, and the LED does not flash unless I push play on the sequencer. I went back to an older video (#3, filter) and can see that the LED was flashing. The only thing I can think of is that sometime between recording the early videos and the later ones, a firmware update changed the behavior of this light - perhaps the same firmware update that changed the shift+hold+8 page options, which believe occurred in April 2021.

[@thegekko5262]

@@music-with-eric Thank you so much!! There was indeed a firmware update. I downloaded Syntribe and went to 'update' and it instantly showed me that my Crave wasn't up to date. Now the green LED is steady and the ARP works as it should (that was also a problem). Thank you!!

[@freezerman5871]

OK, I wonder whether I shall return my Crave because there doesn't seem to be any setting that will enable to control tempo using the TEMPO in patch. MIDI works fine, slaving other gear to the Crave (PO and Volca) via ASSIGN out is a breeze, but not the other way round..I am giving up...

[@music-with-eric]

I've had trouble getting Behringer sequencers to progress properly with tempo-in syncing as well, unfortunately. Even from an RD-6 to an MS-1, which you'd think would work pretty well together...

[@Rafaeldeimperial]

NI UN BRILLO

[@hubertvancalenbergh9022]

If I were to connect a Behringer 960 sequencer to the Crave, how do I get the best result? The idea is to add more on the fly possibilities to the individual notes of a sequence, i.e. ON/OFF, skipping certain notes in real time, etc.

[@music-with-eric]

I'm not familiar with the 960, so I can't offer any advice on its use, sorry!

[@RayDAider1]

I discovered that when I tried to hook up the Arturia Keystep sequencer to the Crave, that it only caused the Crave's onboard sequencer to trigger with unwanted, unpleasant results, and not play the Keysteps sequence, so I supect a similar thing would happen in your case. What needs to be done is to hook up the Crave to a computer and run the Behringer Synthtribe software from their site to change the clock source from Internal to MIDI Din to be able to override its sequencer and use an external sequencer instead....soooo....inherently, the scenario you are suggesting would not work, if I understand you correctly....with the idea of somehow combining the two sequencers. It has to be one or the other.

[@hubertvancalenbergh9022]

@@RayDAider1 Out of curiosity I coupled my Korg Modwave to the Crave and it worked, i.e. I could 'play' the monophonic Crave with the Modwave's keyboard. But that's not what I want. I'll check out Synthtribe. If I wanted to use the 960's capabilities what other modules would I need to obtain that early 70ies Tangerine Dream sound? (Forget the Crave.)

[@materic-emotional]

Hi Eric, sorry I have a problem,a: if I connect out VC MIX patch to in TEMPO patch I don't control the speed of the arpeggiator with VC MIX: nothing changes... Doesn't it depend on settings in the synthtribe software maybe? ... I don't understand what's going on... Thanks, congratulations for your long and detailed tutorial.

[@music-with-eric]

If you want CV to affect tempo, you do need to enable that in SynthTribe.

[@materic-emotional]

@@music-with-eric thanks

[@materic-emotional]

then I understood it from your video. Sorry, I had missed it

[@thinkognito344]

are the external input and line out both mono?

[@music-with-eric]

Yes

[@wanggang3885]

This is like the Martha Stewart show for synths.

[@music-with-eric]

It's a good thing.

[@roycopeland9560]

Isnt it T.S and T.R.S?...would trs not work at all? I know its not stereo.

[@music-with-eric]

Yes, I misspoke there. Using a stereo cable in a mono port might cause some noise, or if you are sending out to a L/R pair it may only reach one channel. But it shouldn't hurt anything to try it (disclaimer: I'm a musician, not an electrician!).

[@AM-ui9mc]

I notice some pitch instabilities, is it normal?

[@music-with-eric]

Could be a few things. Analog circuits waver a little bit as part of their nature, and when passing voltages around there could be some variation in those as well. The biggest issue, however, is likely with the video itself; this is the first video I rendered in a new software and hadn't nailed down the audio settings yet.

[@AM-ui9mc]

@@music-with-eric yes that was my other guess. Thanks for your work on these videos. Gold

[@jeffporrello5881]

Hi Eric. I wanted to point out an error in this video. You refer to the mono patch cables as Tip/Ring (TR). This is incorrect. They are Tip/Sleeve (TS) cables. It is the stereo cables that have a ring: Tip/Ring/Sleeve (TRS). The sleeve is always the "-" (Minus/Negative/Ground) signal. One more note (I hate correcting you!), This synth features a REVERSE saw wave (or Ramp Down) as one of the two OSC shapes. A Saw wave points in the opposite direction and is also called a "Ramp Up". One easy way to remember this is if you were to complete the image of the reverse saw icon, in other words, draw the missing bottom half, it would form an arrow pointing to the Right. Right = Reverse (R = R).

[@music-with-eric]

I did address the TRS slip up in another comment - since KZbin got rid of annotations I can't add anything to the videos to correct myself once they're up. As for the saw wave, good point. It really doesn't matter at audio rates, but if you use it slowly as a modulation source, it does become obvious.

[@flourfree2K]

All nice, Eric but the cable is called a TS (Tip/Sleeve) one, not TR (Tip/Ring). There is no ring in a mono cable.

[@music-with-eric]

Oops. Misspoke a similar thing in an earlier video. If only KZbin still allowed annotations...

[@flourfree2K]

@@music-with-eric Other that a small misspelling, great series. Thank you!