17:50 The three takedowns that are unusually well suited to the sport of BJJ: 1. tomoe nage 2. sumi gaeshi 3. uki waza
@BK_2016sr53 жыл бұрын
and the ouchie
@charles95712 жыл бұрын
🏆
@mateusdella2 жыл бұрын
I was looking for that comment hahahahh
@callumthejudo6964 жыл бұрын
3:30 could be a mixtape cover
@jmsherry3 жыл бұрын
14:38 is the follow-up album! 😂
@leonfdawson3 жыл бұрын
hahahahahhaaa nice
@leonfdawson3 жыл бұрын
@@jmsherry haha fuck yeah 👍
@1terminatorr3 жыл бұрын
that's excellent 😂
@Kareem_Alcindor3 жыл бұрын
3:29 looks like an interrogation scene shot in the First Person in which John Danaher is a Counter Intelligence Officer with his 2 HenchMen.
@seans42904 жыл бұрын
Thank you Professor Danaher! I think we also need to remember how much Bernardo has given us. We are so lucky to be able to turn on youtube for daily content this incredible. Seems like just a few years ago I would just watch grainy sherdog videos for the 20th time.
@2pacfan123574 жыл бұрын
so next is bjj for street fights series with john danaher.
@MrRitmu4 жыл бұрын
buy feet to floor vol 1, danaher talks about streetfights in dvd 7 and 8.
@jaimeivantamayo4 жыл бұрын
This first volume cover that. There are over 2 hours of content on self defense which takes into account diferent degrees of violence, multiple opponents and whether or not you or the other person are wearing clothes that are usefull for grappling.
@jaimeivantamayo4 жыл бұрын
The two hours of selfdefense he gives are probably my favorite selfdefense techniques at bjjfanatics. The instructional itself also grabs my attention because John contextualizes the lessons with his live experience as a bouncer, so the techniques he shares are battle tested.
@Motivatedk94 жыл бұрын
@@jaimeivantamayo And tested by his teacher, Renzo
@jaimeivantamayo4 жыл бұрын
@carey sills yes
@jaimeivantamayo4 жыл бұрын
thank you so much for putting out this amazing content for free on KZbin. I own every program by John Danaher and Bernardo and I am sure this is going to blow my mind as well
@thataintnomoonsucka Жыл бұрын
Can you burn me copies? He and Gordan ain't cheap!
@Sometimes_Always3 жыл бұрын
John Danaher is the GOAT... Such a gifted teacher
@radishbeet21303 жыл бұрын
That tip to help commit your weight coming forward by dropping to the ground was great, can't wait to try these tips
@namkhanorsang46374 жыл бұрын
Bernardo standing in the back like a silent NPC. :) Jokes aside, you and prof Danaher are the best! Ossssss
@carguy34604 жыл бұрын
Being respectful! Such a class act!
@Motivatedk94 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing!! LMAO. But.... Danaher is a BEAST
@jameldean42124 жыл бұрын
Damn John's eyebrow and smirk game was on top form today, you see he's thoroughly enjoying filming this series
@rickb_NYC4 жыл бұрын
Great insight into the orientation of judo methods when dealing with jiu jitsu. Especially what resonated with me are (1) driving to the floor with the techniques to have more certain control; (2) using techniques that are already familiar from working on the ground; (3) the idea that if you are going to pull guard anyway, you might as well go for something extra.
@judochopsueypodcast14224 жыл бұрын
It's very evident that John Danaher understands basic Judo principles and judging by the way he moves and does certain techniques he has to be a shodan in Judo at minimum. I think he's excellent with teaching adults and has good stand up skill. The issue I have with this video is the "drop-knee" O Soto Gari and this idea that there is a danger of roll through. I have a pretty devastating O Soto Gari. It's my best throw and I think I've rolled through five times over the past 14 years. The basics of Judo is always taught (or at the very least should be taught) in a way to secure the hold down or go for a submission immediately after the throw. In the demonstration at 10:25 his training partner is not nearly as off balance as John suggests and all he has to do is slightly adjust his foot to the left drive forward. He has both feet on the floor and all his weight against John on one knee with dead toes and the other leg hooked against. I think the version shown at 9:44 is a better way to teach beginner BJJ students and no, that's not the same drop-knee version.
@guest00464 жыл бұрын
I disagree with him aswell on some things. He know judo, but not nearly as well as he know BJJ. For example he doesnt like seinages in bjj, cause of back exposure or the idea of roll troughs is wrong. You dont have to roll tru. You roll tru to put the guy on his back. But you dont have to do it
@KnozD4 жыл бұрын
Bernardo has the best intro game on the youtube.
@nelsonsalazar72244 жыл бұрын
The approach of proffessor Danaher is so structured, so clear, and so well explained I wish I could train with him one day
@jaimeivantamayo4 жыл бұрын
There are many excellent takedown instructionals at bjj fanatics by galvao and others, but there is ZERO programs on breakfalls (ukemi). Hurting myself is my number one fear about starting on the feet. PLEASE DO AN INSTRUCTIONAL ON HOW TO SAFELY FALL TO THE GROUND.
@robvidalbjj4 жыл бұрын
The only safe way is not to get thrown 😂😂😂. In all seriousness soft mats and going with the throw is all you can do.
@jaimeivantamayo4 жыл бұрын
@@robvidalbjj not at all. The art of braking the fall is greatly developed in judo. But there is no dedicated instructional on it at bjjfanatics.com or even at judofanatics.com, hence why I ask for it.
@robvidalbjj4 жыл бұрын
Well maybe I don't know what I don't know. Id be interested in seeing if there are some really good technical details that I'm not aware of.
@drunkmasterOK4 жыл бұрын
man, there are lots of judo instructionals on breakfalls
@callumthejudo6964 жыл бұрын
Just need to learn trust yourself almost like a gymnast. Develop cat like reflexes. If you trust yourself you'll flow and not get hurt if not you'll be stiff its always the stiff ones landing on their heads. It's a feeling thing just gotta get in and try it. Their are many ways to break your fall
@icarus70733 жыл бұрын
I love listening to John Danaher speak he's so calm and composed yet deadly
@CaptnSausage4 жыл бұрын
Much love and respect from Austria/Croatia! I'm a fightfan my whole life and your videos are another step for my decision to train jiu-jitsu. You are an inspiration and I learned a lot from your videos. Thank you and Mr Danaher, you are both great in jiu-jitsu and as a person!
@limjahey64914 ай бұрын
Did you start training??
@thereaperogn4 жыл бұрын
5:43 bernardo was surprised by john's punch
@accain13143 жыл бұрын
lmao thank you
@MaxLohMusic3 жыл бұрын
10:20 you don't need to drop to the knee. I used to do this to lessen the impact of my training partner but it's dangerous if even a tiny thing goes wrong because they can land on your knee. You can get the same benefits of body weight without risking your opponent landing on your knee: Dive the upper body downward but keep the leg hooking same as normal. You can see how it works in Judo competitions if you search for Osoto Gari highlights.
@owenblack46374 жыл бұрын
"It doesn't have to be that way, Bernardo."
@hakansumerkan95994 жыл бұрын
Is the second volume going to have any self defense stuff? Volume 1 had great info; looking forward to more of it.
@alex_ferrara4 жыл бұрын
Obrigado Bernardo! Thanks Mr. Danaher!
@colecorbett33492 жыл бұрын
What's up with Danaher's training partner's belt?
@jaimeivantamayo4 жыл бұрын
Huge honnor to buy the second volume like it is running out!
@ETiDeQuenVesSendo4 жыл бұрын
this information is great and the chose of recording angle make them look badass!
@zmabry694 жыл бұрын
Very helpful especially drop throw
@jaimeivantamayo4 жыл бұрын
Please! Do a volume on breakfalls (ukemi)!
@jaimeivantamayo4 жыл бұрын
There is a bigger vacum of this than of takedowns
@kanucks94 жыл бұрын
Google is your friend. Look up judo ukemi. Wrestling breakfalls. Gymnastics tumbling. There isn't a whole lot there technically, you just have to do a few progressions, and practice.
@jaimeivantamayo4 жыл бұрын
@@kanucks9 I have google ukemi, but not wrestling breakfalls or Gymnastics tumbling. That is a solid advice, mate. Thank you! I still want a proper instructional on the subject at bjjfanatics or judofanatics.com. I fell there is already so much quality content on takedowns, but none (not even mediocre or bad) on breakfalls and I fell it would warrant, at the very least, *one* instructional among the possibly hundreds (for sure dozens) there are on takedowns at judofanatics and bjjfanatics combined. Thanks again for the good advice. Osss
@haffoc Жыл бұрын
another thing about the dropping techniques, especially danaher's big 3, is that they work pretty well against most stiff armers. BJJ guys often stiff arm you and bend over to keep their hips away so it is really hard to throw them with the big turning throws. But you can often catch these guys with one of those sutemi waza.
@toolate69712 жыл бұрын
Wow! Superb class!
@curtisbrown255511 ай бұрын
Bernardo in the background like a 90’s action movie henchman waiting for his turn to fight the hero…..Patient and lingering🙌🏽
@jacob58954 жыл бұрын
Very thrilled about this takedown series
@jaguarjim96354 жыл бұрын
I watch your videos all the time! I also try demonstrate them to my friends. They think I'm a badass 😊
@ernieangle2553 Жыл бұрын
Great info John, how would they work with NO GI ?
@TruthSubjective3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@angelorusso93453 жыл бұрын
thank you for the video
@Butterflylo3283 жыл бұрын
Man always good videos 👍👍👍👍👍👍
@asapGooby Жыл бұрын
Very good camera work
@Tobby40633 жыл бұрын
I bought series 1 - it is excellent.
@aymanabaza64754 жыл бұрын
Good for you John, someone finally incorporating Judo throws with your bjj, this will only help that have no takedown skills. It's long over due for bjj to finally learning and training great throws. OUS
@BobSaint3 жыл бұрын
They took our newaza first, now Danaher is set to take the tachi-waza too. If the IBJJF loosens up the rules and starts awarding takedowns, is that a higher realm of BJJ, or Judo as it was supposed to be?
@annienguyen75924 жыл бұрын
John is amazing
@rogerweisse62244 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the content!
@magik12043 жыл бұрын
Gold!
@gegaoli3 жыл бұрын
awesome
@SilverSnowRF4 жыл бұрын
Professor Danaher is my favourite teacher!
@polegar144 жыл бұрын
That's gold !
@Emanuel_carey4 жыл бұрын
Come to Indy and do a stand up seminar! Please and thank you
@christiffer-barter9472 жыл бұрын
what an amazing coach and mind John Danaha is. a true gift and legend to the world of marshal arts
@RichardBejtlich4 жыл бұрын
So well taught. I greatly enjoy prof Danaher using the Japanese terminology as well. It makes it easy to cross-reference with judo books.
@aatorres194 жыл бұрын
Fancy seeing you here. My worlds are crossing over.
@fernandotvchannel4 жыл бұрын
Love this thanks 🙏🏿
@4amwaj3 жыл бұрын
5:44 Bernardos like daaaaamn JD hits hard asf!
@gerxiong48304 жыл бұрын
nice, although i prefer judo as a sport i always had issues with throws with no control where the thrower ends up getting rolled to the bottom position
@rrivera853 жыл бұрын
The "dropping" action is called in Judo "otoshi", so a dropping osoto gari is called osoto otoshi in Judo. By the way, Tai Otoshi es done with the same "dropping" action, no with a forward kuzushi (like seoi nage)
@dnguyen519804 жыл бұрын
Gian Carlo is the man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@caos8134 жыл бұрын
Da hora ,muito bom.
@gladiumcaeli4 жыл бұрын
For people asking for ukemi kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3jXiZmpptqrf9U Tips: 1) Tuck your chin in when doing ukemi (so your head doesn't bounce off of the floor) 2) Do not post out with your arms when your falling, you'll break them (see this kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJXcgqZ_iNihq9k ) 3) When slapping the floor, do it from about 45 degree angle starting from the hip (0 degree) to the head (180 degree) 4) Do not cross your legs when doing ukemi (You can get bruise knee or squeeze your nuts like hard) Or just go do judo for a month or two, you'll pick it up quickly
@gpcm92264 жыл бұрын
Gold as usual. Thanks Danaher.
@Chicas2724 жыл бұрын
great camera angels
@reigninblood1233 жыл бұрын
That is a left vs right situation for that tomo nage at 19.20.
@realdeal1394 жыл бұрын
Nice techniques, great teaching
@x426x4 жыл бұрын
Such great information!!!!
@abdouwahab58734 жыл бұрын
La philosophie for john big thinks
@7dayz2882 жыл бұрын
ryan is like anakin and danaher is palpatine
@bradbettis92104 жыл бұрын
In volume 3 I want John to use Nicky Rod as Uke for Kata Garuma... and I want him to throw that man with authority!
@raymondramallo6014 жыл бұрын
Prof danaher, you must address self defense? Self defense is still being taught in static with no resistance, this method will never work against resisting opponents who are bigger and stronger then you, this area of bjj must be addressed?
@jaimeivantamayo4 жыл бұрын
The first volume has over 2 hours of selfdefense and its very realistic and mindfull of realistic situations
@raymondramallo6014 жыл бұрын
@@jaimeivantamayo hi, am a bjj bb and i still see high level bb teaching self defense techniques to there students with no resistance at all? Here's my point in bjj training we train with resistance, but when it comes to self defense aspect of bjj why is it static training. This is a big disconnect, and am not saying all instructors do this ? But i been in bjj for 20 years and i see alot of this still going on, danaher gave me my very first lesson at renzo"s when i walked in off the street 20 years ago and he was a blue belt teaching he got his purple belt right after that?
@bjjujitsu4 жыл бұрын
@@raymondramallo601 even, in bjj you learn first without resistance,then you drill and just in the and you apply force on your partner, isn't it?
@raymondramallo6014 жыл бұрын
@@bjjujitsu when you first learn a technique you learn all the details then you drill it and then you try to do it when you are rolling. When you roll you are training with resistance from your training partner thats the point i was trying to make? In self defence not all bjj schools or bjj instructors but alot are still training self defence in static with no resistance at all, i understand you first have to learn all the details of a technique but at some point you have to test it in real time to see if it actually works. Thats what i mean when i say alot of self defense not all is being taught only in static and not being tested in real time? I been doing bjj for 20 years and still see this in alot of schools, they learn a self defense technique drill it slowly x amount of times and thats it? It has to be tested in real time to see if it actually works?
@leonfdawson3 жыл бұрын
More please....
@alpha4344 жыл бұрын
John Danaher drinking game: take a shot every time he says "Okaaaay". Then do 5 minutes of live rolling after the video.
@stevecrawford69583 жыл бұрын
you could do this with your training partner, in and of itself.
@dreknows3 жыл бұрын
I learned so much I need pay this man
@michaelspyrou17842 жыл бұрын
perfect
@physiotipswithmarrow58364 жыл бұрын
Great video and thanks for putting this out. Great Judo skills by John...very impressive. That drop O soto works so well and great tutorial for the Yoko Tomoe Nage. What a treat to learn from the best!
@jonathandebruyn67814 жыл бұрын
When is the no gi takedown series coming?
@Watcher41874 жыл бұрын
You're looking for Garry Tonon's Shoot to Kill series.
@jaimeivantamayo4 жыл бұрын
This first volume has about 2 hours of no Gi takedowns for selfdefense
@callumthejudo6964 жыл бұрын
Dropbox it me ill return the favour callumgeorge1998@gmail.com
@bradbettis92104 жыл бұрын
johns next series, new wave no gi (the way he teaches no gi, not just enter the system subs) will have his standing teachings in it for no gi. its next series after feet to floor
@bradbettis92104 жыл бұрын
@Puss Bucket He talked about the development of no gi standing to ground game, he referred to it as "scrimmage wrestling" on flograppling. On instagram dm I asked him is scrimmage wrestling going to be in feet to floor. he said no, but it will be covered in new wave no gi series. He has mentioned the "new wave series" on bjjfanatics facebook group, on video, and answering other peoples questions before
@antjmi4 жыл бұрын
What a brilliant mind John is....
@ijustwannaleaveacommentony65114 жыл бұрын
john's new hip seems to be serving him well
@Chicas2724 жыл бұрын
great professor
@glaydsonsales45034 жыл бұрын
Very good!!! Oss
@crhasty124 жыл бұрын
Jesus christ what a video 🙏👍👍
@nicholasnj37784 жыл бұрын
The Terminology always sound way cooler in Japanese, Kuzushi !!!
@callumthejudo6964 жыл бұрын
Interesting kosoto
@nikolaosmandamandiotis89704 жыл бұрын
And with this video bjj becomes judo !
@Jason_King.2 жыл бұрын
Nice judo
@bartofilms3 жыл бұрын
This is great, but it is 100% Judo!!! (not BJJ) Right down to the names of the throws. etc.
@jsimo14314 жыл бұрын
it boggles my mind how many insanely good bjj grapplers came from Renzo.
@marwanshamsia3 жыл бұрын
Renzo is a true master, a technician on the highest level
@TheDomLouis2 жыл бұрын
23:38 : What part of BJJ isn't John's favourite part of Jiu-Jitsu subject? lol
@katokianimation2 жыл бұрын
But scooting
@betovargas20984 жыл бұрын
6:12 🔥
@dreknows3 жыл бұрын
I'm so nasty with using my legs for takedown I think because I frog sit i can get my leg hooked around so quickly
@FelipeSantosBa4 жыл бұрын
Só, basically, according to this video, if you want to learn how to apply proper takedown, take Judo classes. Because you will never learn that stuff Danaher is showing, at least not the best way to do it, on most BJJ dojos. Well, I guess Robert Drysdale is correct in the end: BJJ means Basically Just Judo.
@raymondr28214 жыл бұрын
💪💪💪🤙🤙🤙🤙❤
@wildcat317723 жыл бұрын
people going to spend months working on this just to have all opponents slap > bump > sit > buttscoot
@adambrennan-smith55212 жыл бұрын
Danaher is the BJJ chess Grandmaster
@harp00n233 жыл бұрын
6:26
@rezaamjadi6191 Жыл бұрын
Bernardo 5:45 😆
@purplecookie6874 жыл бұрын
White belch camera man
@michaellee83543 жыл бұрын
Is Bernardo wearing a women’s gi
@adamfrank16304 жыл бұрын
Also known as "Judo".
@DR-jz1es10 ай бұрын
Judo is played out. Jiu Jitsu is grappling. Nobody likes judo.
@MidnightAssass1n7 ай бұрын
@@DR-jz1esJudo is extremely popular. And it is grappling. As jiu jitsu people we don’t need to put down other sports to lift ourselves up. The more interest people have in combat sports and martial arts in general the better we all are for it
@MidnightAssass1n7 ай бұрын
Not really. He mentions in the video that judo has different goals than jiu jitsu. The summary at the end basically says exactly what the goal is. We can’t keep trying to just add other techniques onto jiu jitsu and hope it works. We need to explore and test what techniques work the best in a cohesive manner with the rest of the sport. I did judo for 3 years before I started jiu jitsu. I couldn’t make my throws work well until I watched this video and took some of this advice on board. Particularly the drop variation advice. I pulled off 3 different throws in a 5 minute roll. It’s the first time I’ve been able to do that and I’ve been doing jiu jitsu for 3 years as well at this point.
@DR-jz1es7 ай бұрын
@@MidnightAssass1n it’s all grappling. Jiu Jitsu. Wrestling. Judo. That’s the weird thing about casuals. Wrestling has all the same take downs as well except more brutal and aggressive. Jiu Jitsu adopted most of everything and judo in its singular form isn’t the end all be all. It’s grappling. Judo guys remind of Krav Maga guys. Mega cocky and feel the need to be heard and superior. Not saying that’s you as an individual. In general I’ve ran across that plenty.
@jon72224 жыл бұрын
I'll never understand this sort of thing. Why do BJJ guys try and teach Judo? Just get someone that trains Judo to teach it. Don't get me wrong, anything BJJ related and Danaher is basically god, but when it comes to throws, it's apparent they aren't his wheel house. As an aside, his analysis of Tai Otoshi at 11:31 is incorrect. Even an improperly executed Tai Otoshi will never result in your opponent pulling you over after the fact like that. Especially, if your throwing a BJJ guy with no break fall experience whatsoever. Search any Tai Otoshi highlight reel and you'll see for yourself. Your weight goes towards your extended leg and down into the ground, not forward like in a Seoi-Nage which is what causes the rollover; especially if you over throw it.
@bradbettis92104 жыл бұрын
One of the greatest Tai Otoshi thowers of all time Won-Hee Lee always drives his head down and forward to his NON EXTENDED LEG kzbin.info/www/bejne/fn-uZIWJac5gqdk. also look how there is roll through potential and full back exposure here kzbin.info/www/bejne/fn-uZIWJac5gqdk and this is just the first highlight video i watched
@jon72224 жыл бұрын
@@bradbettis9210 I watched the same video. That happened due to the guy grabbing on as he went over, not after he was thrown onto his back and pulling the guy over. That's point I was making. Also, it may look as though his weight is over his non-extended leg but all his weight is transferred to his extended leg and downward. That's what generates the throw. Tai Otoshi means "body drop" as in drop your (the thrower's) body weight straight down to throw. The throw is actually impossible to do with your weight over your non-extending leg. The weight transfer and drop is what causes the throw.
@judochopsueypodcast14224 жыл бұрын
I agree with you that a roll through like that would never happen unless it was a deliberately timed counter which is difficult to do. I have rolled through on tai otoshi but it's only done so I don't land on a training partner in randori (sparring). If I didn't care about that and my balance was that far forward I'd just drop right into side control.
@juju50003 жыл бұрын
English please
@phrojas4 жыл бұрын
I would recommend you to learn more judo... get a good judoka to teach you.. you have some ideas but some of your principles are wrong...sorry
@mrfuku13 жыл бұрын
John Danaher was a myth people doubted there was a practitioner that trained and taught Jiu jitsu 60 hours a week in a basement (even though it was definitely much more than 60) and although he will never promote himself he was the highest level practitioner despite never competing yet annihilated every highly decorated gi or no gi world champion that crossed his path he is by far the goat of BJJ with crippled not injured knees
@TheDexp4 жыл бұрын
brilliant video! but it's too long, too many ideas in one shot. I prefer more your standard format, where instructor explains thouroughly only one or two technics.
@Keepswimming....1232 жыл бұрын
Sorry I can't stand to watch. The guy in blue exudes too much arrogance.
@tonylopez10834 жыл бұрын
I’m so sorry for what I’m going to say but I just want to see the move all the other talking is just too much lol
@andreysid26104 жыл бұрын
Danaher has pretty bad technique when it comes the throws demonstrated in this video. You really shouldn't worry about getting countered with an osoto-gari if your kuzushi is correct. His osoto-otoshi form is also bad, look at how far he leans back, and where his hands are - away from his body. His osoto-gari at 15:00 was okay If you want to learn any of these techniques, just go to Judo class. You will also learn how to ukemi and how to avoid getting winded. Not trying to disrespect Danaher here, he is a wizard with grappling technique and gameplans, but this just aint it
@erikmmccray4 жыл бұрын
You may think you know judo but sweetheart if you think kuzushi will save all you have alot to learn. just think of what the first counter to osoto-gari is..need help..take uki's kuzush step back and turn 90. And in a sport where uki can just jump guard and sit on your leg your knee can be in real danger in ways the rules of judo protect you from.
@andreysid26104 жыл бұрын
@@erikmmccray With efficient kuzushi and correct distribution/motion, counters are very unlikely. In Judo, how often do you see it? Against less-experienced grapplers? sure, but at the black belt level? Seldom. But yeah, pulling guard sucks in this situation. I can appreciate that the rules aren't perfect; Judo allows a reset if you stand up when uke has a fully locked in armbar lmao - one of the worst rules;
@gladiumcaeli4 жыл бұрын
@@erikmmccray Not really if the kuzushi is done properly there is no way you'll be able to step back, the idea behind a kuzushi for osoto gari is to put the opponent's weight onto the leg that you are going to reap. You can try it too, lean sideways against a wall put all your weight onto the leg closes to the wall, see if you can move it easily hun. EDIT: What john is showing in this video is osoto otoshi (some call it o soto gake because your hooking the leg), similar to osoto gari but not the same
@erikmmccray4 жыл бұрын
@@andreysid2610 OK, so all the times I did just that move on "blackbelts" since I got my "beltblelt" back in 1992 must have been a fluke..... Mudansha.
@andrewferris19034 жыл бұрын
O Soto Gari is the single most reversed Ashi Waza in Judo from White to Black Belt, because regardless of the perfect Kizushi you're able to demonstrate on your training partner in practice there's a world of difference in competition vs a resisting Uke. That's more or less how O Soto Gake came about in the sport, with the current Ippon rules there's no reason to perform a "traditional" O Soto Gari because the risk vs reward of an O Soto Gaeshi isn't worth it. And finally O Soto Otoshi and O Soto Gake are not the same throw, the first is an officially recognized throw by the Kodokan and the latter is not - it's classified as an O Soto Gari variant. O Soto Otoshi has varrying leg configurations, but invariably you remain standing durring the throw and drive your opponent over your leg as opposed to taking out the base of his support. You can do that with your foot planted on the floor as far as O Soto Otosi is concerned, where O Soto Gake only has one, distinct, leg configuration - hence the name.