Touge Showdon GR Supra 6MT vs. 8AT【Hot-Version】2022

[@とあるレジェナー]

レスポンスで行くとATに敵わないところもあるかもしれないけれど、やっぱりMTは楽しそう！土屋さんの言う「世界中にいるんだよ、無駄を楽しむ人が」って言葉、本当にその通り。

[@tloh141]

the fact that hot version is still going gives me still hope for this world.

[@nightdeer_sprinter_trueno_ae86]

ここ数年で自動車チャンネルも凄く増えましたが、ホットバージョンが１番しっくり来ます！観やすいし面白い！

[@ひろしくん-h2m]

@@Daisukiy 車メインじゃなくてあれ人メインだよね

[@時々エクリプス頼む人]

メーカーの人々から峠バトルのコメント聞けるの、新鮮です

[@mazdaspeed118]

Thanks for the subtitles 👏🇮🇳

[@DontCare1990]

Always good to see keiichi tsuchiya still going strong

[@MrMarshy123456]

Nobody does it like the Japanese addicting from start to finish every hot version battle is epic love it also many thanks for the english subtitles !

[@Kazuki_Aozaki]

色んな自動車系の動画が乱立しているけど、やはりドリキン・NOB・オリダーの3人のインプレッションが一番具体的かつ高い次元でクルマの良い点・悪い点を、クルマの専門家や今実際に走らせてる人以外にも的確に伝えてくれているように思います。速く走らせることもだけど、フィードバック能力というのもプロドライバーには非常に重要なんだな、と再認識できる動画。

[@あんべー]

車好きが乗りたい車を造ってくれたのが、とても意義がありますね。

[@test58818]

このZF製のトルコン、BMWオーナーだったらわかるだろうけど変速はトルコンの中では優秀な部類だし、何よりシフトショックの無さが凄い。街乗りでシフトショック一切ない。

[@那欝嘉]

快適性で言えば圧倒的AT、ただMTにしか味わえない楽しさが俺は好きだ

[@elianpz]

Coming straight from the mouths of the best drivers. Telling Toyota "You did a good job, but you can do better, here are some suggestions.." Super cool!

[@napalmman8292]

It’s good that some car manufacturers still producing cars with manual transmission, might not be efficient like AT but manual is sure as hell fun to drive.

[@JohnTallodi]

Manual gives the joy of futility. Best line ever.

[@kitaru298]

マニュアルの次は手引きサイドブレーキか 初期型からモデルチェンジでどんどんアナログになっていくのも逆に面白いね笑笑

[@andrestrd]

Thank you for the english subtitle

[@ヒロ-d7x]

50代ですが死ぬまでにオーナーになるのが夢です

[@AnserOne]

Thank you for another amazing video! (And also for English captions)

[@白鯨73]

土屋さんの言う無駄を楽しむってその通りだと思う。ATが完璧になり過ぎて、MTに乗りたくなる。でも街乗りオンリーに近くなった今はATで電子サイドを重宝してる。

[@strangebirdwatcher]

Awesome video and thank you for the subtitles 🇺🇸

[@tofuyabunta2233]

ドリキン「世界中にこの “無駄” を楽しみたい人がいる！」こりゃ名言ですな！！たしかに速さと効率を考えたら2ペダルが良いだろうけど、3ペダルになることで広がる世界がある。実際、MY2023の「RZ」はMT車のほうが売れてるそうです。

[@DoubleOSevan]

Super thankful for the English subtitles! Arigato gozaimasu! 🙇‍♂

[@junceiro]

I drove both of them, and absolutely loved the manual one, much more raw and easy to play with... In terms of pure performance you lose a bit on a straight line - you always have to take the 'effort' to shift - but it seems faster and gives you such a control feeling. Fortunately, it seems these three fine gentlemen agree with me... eheheh!

[@beastlysun]

For drifting and fun at circuits its good to have MT. However 99% of MT Supras will spend most of the "raw, look i can handle manual" life on highway in 6th speed followed by 1>2>N shifts in city

[@hamstersizedasian]

@@beastlysun to be fair, most cars even with AT will spend 90% of their time on commuting anyways (with the exception of garage queens).

[@Domi39]

Thank you for english subtitles!

[@xxCablexx]

definitely agree, if you have a MT it'd be a lot better with a hand brake just like the new Nissan Z

[@hittermad9429]

むしろ4気筒の方にMT欲しいかな

[@プッチンプリンレクサス推し]

気持ちいいだろね

[@あきやまごりひろ]

86が売れなくなるのでは？

[@dwpjg]

@@あきやまごりひろ100万円以上差があるのに、そんなわけない。

[@Unknown-zt5qd]

@@あきやまごりひろ客層は違うと思う

[@ramensospicy2992]

Thank you for the English subtitles! 🥰

[@jinma8681]

一昔前だとスポーツカーでＡＴはバカにされたけど 企業努力凄いわ！

[@TheGreekFreak25]

English Subtitles thank you !!!❤️❤️💙💙

[@11metalfan]

Thank you for captions!

[@rzero21]

Thank you Best MOTORing official for the subtitles!

[@FreshYoungDude]

Looking forward to English subtitles! Love the videos. Thank you!

[@macnchillidogs1601]

Thanks for the subtitles!!

[@ヒカキン-o1m]

ATオーダーしました。以下が理由です。 ・シフトレバー、ウインカーレバーともに左側なので左手が忙しくなりすぎないように ・クルーズコントロールが全車速追従式になるので。渋滞が多い地域なのでGTカーとしてみたらATのほうが楽 ・ATのほうがギアの段数が多く、指先一つでシフトチェンジできるのでMTよりバブリングが楽しみやすい ・車幅が広く、見通しも結構悪いので、細い道でのすれ違いや狭いところでの運転のしやすさを求めて MTも魅力的で私も直前までだいぶ悩みましたが、スポーツ性能だけでなく普段使いも考慮してATにしました。

[@haruoyoshida9346]

同じくATにしました。ロケットのような加速と、シフトショックがなんとも言えない味付けで最高です。

[@港町の戦士-v4n]

必死で自分に言い聞かせてて草

[@oza-vtec]

@@港町の戦士-v4n何を言い聞かせてんのか分からんw 全然真っ当な理由でいいじゃんか。俺は納得したよ!

[@gepokomaru]

I hope under their new CEO, Toyota keep on developing great cars for the driving enthusiasts!

[@将一中川]

峠バトルGRスープラ6速MT VS 8速AT超いい企画ですね、❤😊

[@chrisjames7447]

i love this youtube channel. i love your videos. keep making more youtube videos on amazing cars!!! do not stop!!!!!

[@astry6473]

土屋のコメでMTとATでサスセッティングがで大きな違いがあるわけないじゃんと思ったがノブのコメでそもそもATの方は改良前っていうオチなのはズゴーって感じ

[@渡辺貴人-s4e]

凄く楽しい企画をありがとうございますっ！！

[@nisshiblack2012]

手引きサイドブレーキが今後付くようにお願いします!!

[@ポンコツ-i5d]

ATの車載動画を見ると谷口さんはトップスピードもボトムスピードも一段速いところにあるのを見るとやっぱり現役選手なんだなーって感じました。

[@goracks69]

How tf does Keiichi still look 50!? He’s looked 50 since he was 40, and almost 30 years later, HE STILL LOOKS 50!!!

[@carlovergts02]

Asians are built different, also, DK is a fairly active man, even though he’s retired, he still keeps in shape doing all that driving.

[@Blballerboy]

It’s the smell of rubber and gasoline, preserves the soul.

[@vladvasiloni1577]

he is a true athlete and has a healty lifestyle

[@xFlared]

Keichi was born looking like 50 and will die looking like 50.

[@happyguy4525]

Masturbation and/or sex

[@carlosdossantos1251]

11:47 true manual transmission car people will understand this part

[@hoyfreedom]

seeing new gen supra with manual makes me happy ugghh the proper wayy

[@mingomix1]

good way to start a friday! thank you so much!!

[@Chavez96PR]

Thank you for the English subtitles!

[@裕ユウ-f4k]

スープラもまた一段と上がりましたね☺️ やっぱ結構スープラも速くてめっちゃ超格好いい車だなって思いました☺️

[@PENPENTATAX]

マニュアル車を駐車してギアをニュートラルにしてからサイドブレーキをｷﾞｷﾞｨって引いて「ふぅ…」と一息付く瞬間がイイんですヨ… ボタンパチッはちょっとね…サイドブレーキ引いた感が欲しい。

[@oi.naniyattendayo]

そのやり方ってなぜ教習所では説明されないんですかね。信号待ちでずっとクラッチ踏んでるの辛い

[@zakuro9600]

@@oi.naniyattendayo ニュートラルに戻すのは大丈夫なはずですよ

[@PENPENTATAX]

@@oi.naniyattendayo クラッチペダルを踏む時間はなるべく短くした方がクラッチが長持ちしますので、信号待ちではニュートラルにしてクラッチペダルを離して待つのが良いでしょう。 ただ、歩行者用の信号を見るなどして、自動車用の信号が青になる前に発進準備を整える様にする必要はありますが…

[@alanchantiefighterskuanlia627]

I use handbrake to save from overspeed corner. With clutch kick and brake off 1 second to gain front tyre grip safely avoid crashing to tree 😂

[@Nikowalker007]

Supra Auto vs Manual battle👍🙏👌🔥❤️‍🔥 I was waiting for this episode for so long ! 🎉🎉🎉👍

[@efurination_]

GRMNスープラに期待大です。採算やBMWとのアライアンス的に厳しいと思いますが、2025年以降もガソリン車販売可能期間の最後までスープラを売り続けてほしい……と、心から思います。

[@TK-qz6gs]

濡れてるっていってるのに28秒前後とかネジ飛んでるよなぁ

[@_J4CK4L_]

Yes please GRMN SUPRA! I have a 2023 Manual and would love to upgrade

[@afca-e9x]

オリダーが乗ると、コメントまでしっとりするなぁ…

[@kou55555]

良いセリフだな、無駄を楽しむか やっぱり俺、土屋さん好きだわ MT対ATをするとどちらが速いばかりが議論に出るけど 俺は1番納得できる言葉だ

[@Cichlid_Visuals]

even if the manual was 5 seconds slower i would still choose it without a second to waste.

[@C-M-E]

Pretty amazing that there's only 10kg/22lbs difference in transmission weights. Not all that long ago when manuals were more prevalent, that difference could be multiple seconds on a lap/50-100lbs advantage for a manual.

[@ARCNA442]

Especially since the auto has two additional gears.

[@twinturbocars]

I feel like one thing no one is mentioning in the comments is how much a suspension changes the character of the car

[@SupraSav]

It is so hard to buy a supra new, everyone wants one. Let this be a lesson to all automakers ; we don't want sports cars, we want good sports cars. Sports cars that are made with passion, with performance and function in mind and a MANUAL transmission.

[@SkullsAndSnaps]

Amazing battle!! Would love to see a GRMN supra. I’ve driven an A90 and A91, the handling was SO much better in the 91, VERY impressed. Would love to try a manual!! But would love to see Toyota do a GRMN Supra. ❤

[@Quebster]

Thank you for the amazing video! I don’t understand the electronic parking brake fad. Seems a mechanical lever would be so much simpler and is what everyone wants, especially with a manual.

[@ARCNA442]

Electronic brakes have a ton of advantages. You're replacing a set of cables and pulleys that have to be routed through the car and are exposed to the elements with a small electric motor. The result is simpler to install, takes up less space, and requires less maintenance. It's also safer since the average driver never uses their parking brake, but an electronic brake can be programmed to engage automatically.

[@dwhat598]

@@ARCNA442 haha dumb

[@danielcamacho1913]

@@ARCNA442 In other words, the electric parking brake is for the manufacturer's benefit, not the driver, unless the driver is so obtuse as to need an automated nanny brake. And now, instead of cables exposed to the elements (which I've never experienced or heard of a problem with that) now you've got that small electric motor exposed, don't you?

[@Seramics]

​@@danielcamacho1913while you have your point. You gotta adjust the driver word, its for the benefits of the driver, but not sports driver. How often will a user of MT Supra, drift and use the parking brake in the process. Thats only a very tiny subset of the users who buy Supra for sporting reasons, which is already itself a tiny population.

[@pumarolz]

I love this channel so much, the inspiration I get from everyone in this channel is astonishing.

[@tomas_YZF-R3]

これ、何気に気になってました。良い企画

[@2w0nGranTurismo]

niceee. even though the 8AT is faster i would much rather prefer the 6MT A91

[@Shuten_Wukong]

Automatics will always be potentially faster, but banging gear shifts just makes any car more fun.

[@hsato1918]

これでサイドブレーキが付けば完璧👍

[@章冶佐藤]

純粋なAT/MTの違いによるタイム差って言うより年次改良の足の味付けの差の方が大きくてあんまり企画通りの結果になってない気がする。比較するならちゃんと年式揃えないと… まとめで佐々木選手が言ってくれてるけど

[@bigbird2523]

Scary road surface, respect

[@MElekiaZ]

One thing que can learn is no matters AT or MT. The supra is enjoyable and fast in both ways and now Toyota offers you the MT if you like Drive like always was.

[@DRsx4]

i guess the reason why they have to fully upgrade the suspension is that the manual will always fall behind .

[@MElekiaZ]

@@DRsx4 its constante actualice packages since determined date they install those package improvements. Finally auto and manual Will get the suspensión upgrade.

[@田舎のひと]

益々TOYOTAさんの変態度が増してワクワクしますね。

[@McGrezzive]

Loved the battle, and Orido feeling on Manual Supra!

[@1218kana]

スープラが欲しくなりました。

[@ナオナオ-g5t]

速さに関してはプロが運転すればMTとATでも「ほとんど差がない」になるけど、そうでもない人が運転するとね。

[@nomaschalupas2453]

the supra was always a smooth power, comfortable ride for touring.

[@elteridge]

ちょっと谷口さんだけタイム速すぎない？笑

[@newbiedebater]

Great comparision!

[@浩一-f3b]

無駄を愉しむ、正しく！ZD8MT乗りです。 買ってよかった、毎日通勤が楽しい。

[@Unknown-zt5qd]

なんでBRZとスープラ同じにしてんだよw

[@user-hr1ih5fi9u]

フェアレディZはサイドついてるもんねサイド欲しいよなあ。。。

[@wezkerlim]

not just hand brake lever, we need a dipstick too. eliminate that stupid sensor & sop of starting the engine just to check engine oil lever & condition. dipstick is the safest as we can check the oil lever & condition without having the start the motor. what if the oil isn't good or sufficient for the engine to run but you just have to start it to check it. it's dumb move by bmw. even bmw racing team has a delete kit & install a dipstick instead on 1 of their track engines.

[@orB11W]

やっぱずっとMTでやってきた人達だからMTの方が速いのかな？って思ったら足違うんかい！

[@カルパッチョ-o4j]

足の味付けも違えばホイール1本あたり1.2kgの軽量がなされておりますので一概にMTが早いとは言いきれないですよね……

[@alanchantiefighterskuanlia627]

MT is faster in the corners because more control cure understeer. Auto cant cure understeer and worse no handbrake to save u.

[@carwash-ryutamaria]

MT vs AT待ってました！

[@kenkozawa9810]

I really wanted a MT Supra even if no backseats, no handbrake and not being a true toyota product...ended up ordering a gr corolla 😅

[@chrisginoc]

I got an A91 6MT. Wanted my garage queen to only have 2 seats and since it was impossible to find a Morizo Corolla I gave up my search

[@davothegreat9990]

Gr Corolla is alot slower though!!

[@tturi2]

GR corolla is a good choice still, very much like a celica gt4 or evo 7

[@austin2Kool]

Wished they would go ahead and compare both new models instead of a new vs old model

[@possiblybooger]

Taniguchi looks just like how I remembered seeming him 20 years ago. Holy hell man!

[@lukeburkett5645]

This show is amazing! I can't believe I'm only now hearing about it

[@NightSkywalker69]

Oh man.... you are missing out on 30 years of motoring. Its all so good!

[@sabesansarmeegan4185]

I really look forward to drive one !

[@sadTimeSwordNoises]

THATS MY CAR BBB a91 MT. with DK askin for the hand brake maybe we see conversions in next set!?

[@freezedTIM]

same with Nobu and Orido! please listen Toyota

[@raysegura6669]

Amazing drivers, great cars

[@II-py2od]

MTの運転はさすがと言うしか無い程うまいなぁ。 確かにここまでうまいMTと張れるぐらいまで進化したATも凄いがやはり乗るならMTかな。 ATは最初こそ性能の高さを確かめられはするけどすぐ飽きちゃいそう。特に普段乗りも合わせると

[@highrpm1]

*Thank you for the video*

[@3colorgelato]

昔から考えたら8速ATってすごいよな。

[@カルロ-u9c]

市販車は速さ求めてるわけじゃないんだしやっぱり3ペダル欲しいよ…

[@shinojima]

楽しく走れる車がより多く広がっていってもらいたいです。自分も買えたら乗ってみたいです。

[@axlmf7495]

素晴らしい！

[@のらやん]

11:46 無駄＝豊かさ。無駄≠邪魔。

[@zakiyama4060]

削ぎすぎてみんな同じ車になってるのがねぇ…

[@Kadoabo965]

なるほど!

[@g16e-gts]

オートブリッピングいいよね。

[@MY1992Neokura]

この型のスープラ前期ならばサイド復活の光あり 良い意味で肉増しのトヨタだから 前期と後期で化けるのがあるから（ベスモで学んだIS-F.MR2）

[@oraculox]

There is I think a flaw in roadcar philosophy, the aim at comfort and driveability for everyone on maximum safety of the drivetrain, I think has the opposite effect of detaching the driver from the car, that leads to having non-experienced drivers, get a false sense of stability and safety. And I think that is a very real and serious problem with fast cars on the roads this days. To express it in a funny way, "is better that the begginer crash it on the curve comming out the dealership, than them thinking they can drive it at 250kp/h+ every day, when they don´t". High speeds are supposed to make you feel unsafe, that´s awareness, and that makes you a better and safer driver. And if anyone thought I meant driving slow, it doesn´t, it means knowing what fast is. That´s exactly what DK means on 11:46, that futility is awareness, and focus and connection with the car, and gives better control and much more feedback to react and counteract. And also, mt is great for experienced drivers, and AT is great if you are and experienced driver and programmer or have a programmer sitting next to you all the time. hhahaha(that´s why I really enjoy beeing a competent driver and tunner, just right to enjoy the car from the pit and from the cockpit, hehe). That is what Max comments on 22:31, the lag of throttle response will always be there on at because it is a middle ground for every driver of that car, and also almost no tuner knows what throttle response to input on cornering when programming, it´s a consensus with the test driver feedback. I don´t know why there isn´t more talk about AT and drive by wire throttle adaptability to each driver, I suppose it has certain dangers to the road involved

[@dsleong8328]

Simply put,when driving on the road,you need to put 100% on it, that's why manual is still relevant no matter how good the car tech progress

[@Magic_Vince]

Supra GRMN with S58 please!!

[@bendmall4341]

For me the 6MT was way cooler than a 8AT ZF.

[@tk7852]

相変わらず谷口さんのスタイルはオーバレブ