Best Budget Kinetic Rope On Amazon And How To Safely Use It.

[@leslielovecats9716]

The most detailed and explained video on KZbin. Feel like we were in class! Greetings from Rosarito, Baja California Mexico

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Thank you very much for the kind words. We are very grateful. Glad it was helpful for you. Greetings from KINGMAN Arizona. We appreciate the support.

[@georgecarousos6735]

Three quick points. First: Although I know you are burying the trucks on purpose and pulling them out to show how kinetic energy straps can work, the most important thing to do in this situation is take a shovel and dig "ramps" in front of each of the four tires that are buried. In all examples you showed, the "stuck" vehicle has to go vertical before it can move forward. This is increasing the load on the strap/mounting points by at least 50%. Second: In testing using a load cell to measure the actual force on the strap/mounting points when dealing with Rubicon sized vehicles in sand dunes where one was buried, we never saw more than 8000 lbs of load on the strap when using approved kinetic recovery techniques. It's just the laws of physics...you can only generate so much energy in a ten foot or so run with the pulling/yanking a stuck vehicle. And most straps fail not because there was too much weight but because they had physical damage such as cuts, frays or are attached to a sharp edged piece of metal. The takeaway was that a super stretchy strap was the most important thing in kinetic energy recovery. Third: You have to figure out what you want your fusible link to be. Kinetic energy recoveries are probably the most dangerous thing you can do since there are many variables that cannot be controlled. In a worst case situation I would want the strap to break, not the bumper, mounting point, receiver hitch, etc. The odds of just the strap killing you is super low...but a bumper, hitch, tow ball, shackle or any other chunk of metal will be deadly. And honestly, many aftermarket bumpers and attachment points are crap quality....but can still come through your windshield and remove your head.

[@SomeStrangemysterious]

Thanks for this video guys. I’ve got my recovery kit together and I’ve been looking for quality videos to show proper and safe use of this expensive gear. I was so glad to see mostly positive feedback in the comments of this video. Other videos I’ve watched seemed strong, but then when I read thru the comments “experts” were ripping them left and right. It makes it hard for Anyone to know what is useful information. I get the whole get out there and use your equipment way of learning but it is also helpful to have good information as a foundation. This doesn’t seem like the kind of thing you want to “experiment” with when lives and safety is a concern. Please do more videos like this. Subscribed.

[@erikayell1441]

Hello NatureOverland! Thank you very much for your comment and support. We will try to do more of these videos. 😅😊

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

We sure appreciate your kind words. Glad you found the video helpful. We are by no means experts in the field but between myself and my crew we are fairly experienced in recovering vehicles over the years. But with that being said, I did feel like sometimes safety is not explained enough. Thank you very much. We appreciate your support

[@joeverastegui8399]

To Keegan Tools: a lot of us wheel completely topless, doorless, which means we get dirt in just about every spot. Of course one of the things with synthetic rope is to keep it clean so sand and silica does not cut through the fibers making it weak. My suggestion is to have a fully enclosed bag. It may seem like a small thing but keeping the rope as clean as possible is a must and as we wheel the dirt just settles in those ropes as it is swirling around it. Fully enclosed bag, keep as much dirt out as possible. That's all the rest of the product looks great to me. Very nice vid Joe and Erika from AZ westside. You two as always rock!!!!

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Not a bad suggestion, might not be a bad idea. Appreciate the feedback it really helps and we appreciate the kind words as well you’re awesome buddy. 🙏🔥

[@n9eerptr]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS Having the bag to store can go a long way keeping it clean, might get wet, but clean. So keep the rope in the supplied bag.

[@keegantools]

Noted Joe. I like the feedback and agree with you. We will work on enclosed bags. The bags with the mesh panel were designed for when folks use the ropes in wet conditions such as rain, mud and snow rescues so it's handy to let the ropes air out, dry out.

[@alfredknubble1958]

WAh

[@jkuoverland8507]

I would not connect anywhere except my tow hitch, good way to bend or break something going to left or right of center. My bumper recovery points are stronger than my Jeep frame. I need to beef up that’s part my rig. Good video!

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Yes, you need to make sure what you’re hooking to a strong that is for sure. Much appreciated.

[@keegantools]

Joe, really happy to see the time you took to discuss some proper safety considerations when performing rescue recovery procedures. The information provided starting at 14:41 of the video is extremely important and may prevent injuries and save lives. At the very least it educates us and allows us to have more fun and less mishaps with our rigs in the great outdoors : )

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

I thank you very much for the kind words. It was my pleasure trying to educate people in safety so less of our offroading brethren end up hurt. Saving peoples lives is definitely worth the effort and expense to do things properly. I hope if nothing else I taught a couple people that. We appreciate you guys putting out a great product so people can recover safely. 🔥🔥🔥

[@n3tfury]

When will these be back in stock on your Amazon store front?

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

@@n3tfury we don’t sell them. We spoke with the owner he will be selling them on eBay from now on. Amazon has too many fees.

[@hellephant4268]

All jokes aside those holes were nowhere close to being 37" deep, must be a jeep thing

[@paulfiorenza7705]

Maybe they was adding the bern to it 😂

[@xNuke333x]

@hellephant4268 just dudes being dudes

[@MartyDick]

I'm glad someone else noticed that. It's the difference between a guy measuring vs a woman measuring 😂

[@cc27006]

These guys don’t let the truth get in the way of a good sales pitch

[@RedRabbit4230]

I agree, they were probably closer to ohhh say 15-18/20 inches deep at the max....

[@keegantools]

AZ Westside Wheelers, you guys rock! What a great presentation. Packed with important and useful information and the rigs that your crew builds and maintains are truly impressive. Thank you

[@four_low_adventures]

Thank you Keegan tools!

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Well, thank you very much. Such kind words are much appreciated. We appreciate the opportunity to work together and bring great information to people. If we can save one life, we’re doing great great products nothing but good things to say about them they survived an onslaught of my crew ha ha and will be put to the test for sure this year during wheeling season. Again, thank you very much you guys have been a pleasure to work with.

[@outbackeddie]

Excellent demo. Earlier this winter I pulled a small truck out of a snow bank with my Tahoe using a twenty foot 7/8ths inch kinetic rope. The driver of the truck was a high school kid who was going a wee bit too fast on the icy road to make the turn. It was an easy pull, and I didn't need the kinetic effect to pull him out. It wasn't much of a test for the rope, but it saved that kid the cost of a tow truck. I wonder if he ever told his parents about it? Hmmm - I guess we will never know.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Thank you very much. That’s awesome glad to hear people helping others. Haha I bet he didn’t.

[@daniloengracio1127]

great video! I am using miolle kinetic rope. Great product, high quality, most of all the price its just right! This rope looks tough. Very pleased with it. I’m sure it will be with me for a long time

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Thank you very much. That’s awesome everyone needs a decent kinetic rope in their kit.

[@winstonsmiths2449]

I vaguely remember watching some Aussies doing recovery. They used a weighted bag or sack and placed it on the kinetic strap/rope. The idea was if the rope snapped, the wight would aid in bring the rope down and have a mush chance of going through your windshield.Oops, just watched another video of the weighted bag, not good, but a heavy chain worked.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Yeah, any recovery item can have its dangers but if used properly, they are fairly safe. The key is no metal that can become detached with it whipping around.

[@ken85225]

on minute 12:42 that Jeep bumper with the weld-on D-ring shackle tab being far too close to the edge of the bumper ......that looks like a fail if the pull was much harder than what we saw..... RIP right out of the thin metal on the bumper ends or at least bend the wrap around bumper end in directions it was not designed for. In the picture it looks to be about .125" metal.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

You talking about the white Jeep? That’s a heavy duty bumper with hundreds of pulls on those rings. They are made for that purpose exactly. Must be the camera angle but most of us use bumpers made from 3/16 steel minimum. We crash into rocks with them they need to be strong for sure.

[@nate8930]

Just bought a 30 ftr.. but now seeing how long it is I probably need a 20' now for narrow canyon road assistance. They do look powerful!

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

That is awesome. I hope it does you well. It is possible under the circumstances that a 30 would be too long because you have to remember it will stretch a little also. Never hurts to have another rope around if you do end up picking up a 20 footer. We appreciate the feedback.

[@mochouinard]

You need an updated video with EV ! My Pickup is 9900lbs empty ! It crazy !

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

lol. Yeah no Ev but my 10,000 lb f350 does fine with the 1 1/4 rope.

[@peachtreee4649]

Thank you for this video. 🙏 Hooking a recovery strap on a tow hitch ball in Arizona killed a man last year.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Your very welcome. Yes I know I live in that town it happened in. It was very tragic and avoidable.

[@charlesthistlethwaite]

One year on and this video is still very good information for all off-roaders, especially the safety info. It's a shame Keegan Tools hasn't expanded their line of recovery ropes and most of their focus seems to be on 'toilet swords' and plungers. I couldn't find a 7/8" x 30' kinetic recovery kit on their website or Amazon. Guess I'll have to go with another brand. Anyways, great video and safe travels!

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Much appreciated. Yeah we hoped they would as well. We appreciate the great feedback and support.

[@austinado16]

Outstanding video! Thank you. Just FYI, I just used both your links, in order to buy the rope and soft shackles, and the ropes are NLA in any size. All they have is a few soft shackles left, as of mid-Jan. '24

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Thank you very much and you are very welcome. They have switched from Amazon to eBay as sellers due to high fees. We are working with the owner to get a new link. Everything should be available over on eBay. I believe he has started getting things available there. we greatly appreciate your feedback lots more to come.

[@austinado16]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS I checked on ebay, right after finding they weren't on Amazon. Nothing there either, and their website still says to go to their Amazon store. Just FYI

[@RastaRider]

5:10 Dang, so I'm wondering if the 1" I just ordered for my Gladiator and my Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon is overkill? They are stock on 33s. I can change the order to 7/8" if it's preferable. What say you? 💯🔥🤙We drive in Florida sugar sand (think "soft beach sand") and hills and mud ruts. 🌴

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Well a little extra is never bad vs underrated and breakage. Sand and mud add extra resistance adding to the weight of your rig. Plus it’s a Jeep it will NEVER stay stock haha.

[@gordharley5803]

Please read the safety sheet on shackles or bow shackles from Crosby. They will tell you to back off the screw pin 1/4 to 1/2 turn for safety and you don't need tools to remove them.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

That’s interesting. I’ll check it out. But honestly if you have them on ppl steal them or they vibrate loose if they aren’t tight. But I appreciate the input.

[@gordharley5803]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS bow shackles were made to apply when being used, they were not designed to be a permanent fixture on a vehicle, that is the idea of having a anchor point on a vehicle.

[@toddhoffmaster6057]

How are the Keegan straps holding up? Great video how-to on recovery, safety and what size rope to use.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Several of us in the crew have used them multiple times with zero issues , zero fraying, Seem to be a very good quality product for the price. Thank you very much we sure appreciate that.

[@toddhoffmaster6057]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS Sounds like a very good kinetic rope - especially for the price. I mean what else could you ask for?

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

@@toddhoffmaster6057 yes we are very happy with them.

[@JavierPadron]

Great video guys, thanks fir soending time to share this video with fellow wheelers. 😎🤘 Gonna have the video saved to share about kinetic rope.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

We thank you very much, you are very welcome we try and help out with information and wheeling videos. Ha ha. We post up a new video every Wednesday. We appreciate you sharing it around with your friends the more people that have safe recovery techniques the better our community will be. That’s what we look for.

[@JavierPadron]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS awesome buddy, we got alot of rock crawling in my area in San Antonio tx. Rock On Fellas 🤘😎🤘

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

@@JavierPadron Rock on 🤘

[@kingpin76110]

Great work on this video. Sure, do appreciate the information. Thank you.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Thank you very much. Glad it was helpful. We sure appreciate the feedback. 🙏👊

[@EZapar]

Thanks for the video. Good stuff to know.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

You are very. Glad to help anytime.

[@EZapar]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS Go figure I'd just purchased a 48k 1 1/4 rope. Maybe too much to pull out a 5k vehicle. lol At any rate, it should be easier on the frame and tow points than a strap.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

@@EZapar yeah a little much haha. But yeah should be way nicer than a strap.

[@EZapar]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS For the record. . . The straps you guys used are unavailable when using your link. But I tried. :)

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

@@EZapar yes. They will eventually be available on eBay.

[@m3logistics]

Luv your presentations - well presented! Joseph (Cape Town, South Africs).

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Thank you very much. We appreciate the kind comment.

[@bigprimo79]

Just bought one. Thank you.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Your very welcome. Glad to help

[@automoveiseengenharia9694]

with this deep bogged only winch is safe! Works? Yes, but you have applied overload on the anchor points of both vehicles.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Well I disagree what we did was definitely safe. 9/10 people don’t have winches so this is an option for them. As for overloading the anchor points , those points are strong enough to lift the vehicle up with and have a breaking strength rated well over 2 times the vehicle weight. They are as strong as it gets besides hooking straight to the frame.

[@automoveiseengenharia9694]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS I agree that is your video just a demo from kinetic working...its ok...very good job! But, there are other ways, more safe than it. That jeep was plenty stuck, more half tire...and big 40" probably... :)

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

@@automoveiseengenharia9694 much appreciated. Yes, a lot of times a winch would definitely be safer but in the case of one of those tiny rigs, pulling one of our giant JK four-door jeeps out on 40 inch tires. Chances are we would just drag him to ours and possibly get him stuck as well. That is where the power of kinetic energy is needed or helpful. I do believe it is hard to say what is the right tool for the job until the job comes up every situation is different. Having all of the tools at your disposal is best. I certainly appreciate the feedback.

[@eriknash8783]

I'd like to know what you recommend for a 2" receiver D-Ring Shackle setup. Too many cheap garbage options for looks. I want something that I know will hold up on my Tundra when it's needed

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Well if you want reliability then I would suggest going with a name that’s been around forever like Curt or even Rhino USA has a great product.

[@Gunnypauly73]

@ 11:40 looks like he almost lost the Jeep's bumper. The pop, and if you watch carefully slow motion .25 playback speeds, the bumper definitely moved. BTW, good video, thumbs up

[@davidinsocal3032]

How many times can you use a Kinetic rope before replacing it?? Thanks for the great tutorial video!

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Your very welcome. There isn’t necessarily an amount of times before you need to replace, I would say, watch for signs of wear and fraying at that time I would replace it until then I wouldn’t see any reason too.

[@vbtom]

great info, I would have like bought a 1 1/4" for my LJ and not been very happy

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Thank you very much. Yes that’s waaay to big for a LJ haha. More like a 3/4” or 7/8 depending on build. Glad it was helpful. Lots more similar content coming soon.

[@liketadied]

I use the 3/4 for my LJ seems to work good .

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

@@liketadied that sounds about right a super heavily built one might go with a little bit heavier but should be just about right I would think.

[@panchovillasmith8218]

This was an awesome instructional. Thank you. I do have a couple questions 1. We have a 23 santa cruz with no tow area in front but I fo have a hitch. If usable to get to the hit h where should I tie a strap to? 2. During our Texas freeE a few year ago I pulled out a couple cars in my old 01 dodge ram with an old school yellow strap. Would this be a better set up for the Santa cruz or the old dodge?

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

We greatly appreciate your kind words. So usually vehicles without tow points are tough. You need to find somewhere on the frame to attach to which is not easy and usually destroys some kind of plastic somewhere during the event haha. But it can be done extra soft shackles, tree savers , things like that will help. My suggestion is to get a good setup put together at home and a plan where and how to hook taking into account the vehicle will be buried to the body usually. As far as which it would be best for I’d say either or both would benefit from a kinetic rope. Straps have their time and place but for most sand , mud recovery they are great. Hope that makes sense and is helpful. Feel free to ask any questions. We appreciate the feedback and support.

[@panchovillasmith8218]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS Thanks once again.

[@keeganknisely5617]

Been looking for a rope for a while. I don't wheel enough to justify the Yankum cost. Welp, I guess since this one has my name on it, I will be buying a Keegan. And anything else they make with my name.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Heck, yeah you should not be disappointed. They are great ropes.

[@markg3305]

Cool channel! I do most my wheeling up here in flagstaff area in the most hated offroad vehicle possible 🤣 which is still heavier than all of those 😭 7100 lbs rn stock ish lol

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Much appreciated. 👊🙏. 7100 pounds. Stock. That’s a big ol boy haha.

[@markg3305]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS good Ole h2 😅🤣

[@four_low_adventures]

Another great video!

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Thank you!!

[@richardevans2534]

Nice presentation

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Thank you very much we appreciate that

[@georgea6403]

You mentioned about having the right size rope for the weight of the vehicle. What would you recommend for pulling out a snowmobile out of the ditch in the snow

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Well, again, that all depends on weight of course Being from Arizona. I have no idea what snow mobiles weigh ha ha but I am guessing there is a variety of weights similar to quads. In this video, I have a chart listed I would say to find out the weight of the snowmobile you’re looking at recovering and go from there. My guess would be the smallest rope unless you are talking about it being frozen in solid then that’s gonna add a bunch of resistance, which makes things heavier.

[@georgea6403]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS guess I was incapable of retaining that chart information a whole 14 minutes before. Lol. My sled dry is 624 lbs. so looking at 700 with all the liquids on board. I could’ve sworn I saw a quarter inch kinetic line I can’t find it so I ordered a half inch line at least for now for my trip coming up. Thanks so much for the info.!!

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

@@georgea6403 well, with a tiny weight like that, you need to find the smallest line you can ha ha the three-quarter inch Keegan rope was designed for ATVs and snowmobile‘s or very light vehicles

[@jacobhirschfeld1657]

Good to know, thanks guys!

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Thank you for watching!!

[@bquade70]

Excellent video👍👍 Lake Havasu 🌞

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Thank you very much 🙏

[@JimmyGunXD556]

Thank you so much for the video. I learned allot!!!

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Your very welcome. Glad it was helpful

[@BigManAlaska]

So which rope would be a good addition when you don't know what you're going to be pulling? One day I might pull on a Cherokee and the next might be a full size bogger pickup or suburban.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Honestly, most professionals would tell you to carry two sizes at that point. Not being professional myself I kind of understand the cost aspect ratio I would say get something suited for as big as it gets in your recovery situations and take it easy on the Cherokee. Ha ha. More than likely the 1 inch would be plenty for most full-size pick ups although something super buried in the muck and closer to a 1 ton rating would probably be best with inch and a quarter, but that’s gonna be like a solid strap on a Cherokee but you would never snap it and would have gear to do whatever needed at any time. So my suggestion would be to figure out what’s the heaviest thing you think you can hit with the tow rope and get that one, probably 1 inch or 1.25 inch. Myself personally, I would rather my gear be overrated versus under and snap. at that point, it is useless and you will be replacing it anyway not to mention the danger aspect. Hopefully that information was helpful for you.

[@BigManAlaska]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS we always carry a variety of gear and this last recovery was amateur and dangerous in my opinion. Although we did create a homemade version of a kinetic strap which provided us with a basic rescue without much effort. Safety in the backwoods of Alaska is a important thing because even a helicopter has issues finding us sometimes in an emergency. Thanks for the insight.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

@@BigManAlaska yes, I can see where that would be quite a dangerous situation doing recoveries that remotely. Glad To help anytime.

[@BigManAlaska]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS do you have a video explaining different types of pulling situations. Mainly for self recovery with a bumper winch? I know it's possible with little to no anchor points straight ahead but this last recovery only had a solid tree to the driver's side.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

@@BigManAlaska no sorry I don’t. Honestly here in Az it’s forward or backward cuz there’s usually walls from a wash on either side haha. We don’t do tons of recovering but I will definitely try and capture any different situations that arise and share it with everyone. We try and drop new content at least every other Wednesday.

[@RedRabbit4230]

Does the guy in the YOTA have a site where I can get in touch with him for some questions? Or just have him get in touch with me please!!!

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

I will try he doesn’t do much social media. What were you needing to know I might be able to relay it.

[@diablostang1927]

nice vid, may be my question is dumb for you guys but, the jeep pulling you out was in 2H, 4H or 4L im new in this sorry

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Thank you very much. 4Lo is the preferred method. Lockers help but most don’t have them so we didn’t use them. No worries. No dumb questions we all gotta learn somehow. Glad to help.

[@diablostang1927]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS tks for share knowledge i appreciate man 🙌

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

@@diablostang1927 your very welcome. Glad to help anytime

[@marcgooglegauthier]

Quand on utilise un câble qui s'étire sous l'effort, il faut placer une couverture sur le câble aux deux extrémités. Si une pièce case le câble agirais comme un arc et projèterais la pièce cassée dangereusement. Alors la couverture sur l'extrémité du câble agirais comme un parachute et éviterais que la pièce projetée ne blesse quelqu'un. Bonne journée.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Not a bad idea at all safety is key.

[@tonystubbs9189]

What is the purpose of using a soft shackle between the D ring of the stuck vehicle and the kinetic rope?

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Well the purpose is to hook up quickly to anything. We all secure our d rings with a wrench so they aren’t stolen or vibrate off so to get them off you need tools. Having a soft shackle gives you the ability to hook up to anything quickly and safely where the d rings are limited and cannot be used in between things. Like if you wanted to hook up two ropes together, putting a D ring in the middle would be very dangerous and could send it through somebody’s window where I soft shackle would be perfectly safe to hook up two ropes.

[@dansharp8042]

What if you don't have the money for all the different ropes?? What would be a good size to have for one rope?

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

The 1” is pretty versatile. You might not get all the kinetic energy you need on little vehicles, but you shouldn’t break on things up to say a 1 ton.

[@Zippy-da-Chimp]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS Excellent video. Exactly the answer I was looking for! You never know what you're going to run into off-roading. I have a lightly modified 2004 Jeep TJ (3 inch lift, 33" tires, upgraded front and rear bumpers plus a 10,000 pound Warn winch), so I would guess I'm between 3700 and 4000 pounds curb weight. I'm thinking a 7/8" or 1" 30 footer would do the trick depending on the size of vehicle I would be trying to pull out.

[@nyazz22]

Can you use a kinetic rope in conjunction with a tow strap? Let’s say the stuck vehicle was further than 20-30’ of the rope. Can a tow strap be used to extend the kinetic rope so the pulling vehicle can be on a hard surface

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Yes it can, but at that point it’s a tow strap not a kinetic anymore. You can’t hit it at speed, bumping it with a strap attached would be dangerous. You could safely pull with it but not rolling into it at 5 mph like we did and bumping it using the kinetic energy. You could put tension on it and pull like a normal strap but hitting it at 5mph could cause it to snap and act like a giant rubber band and could easily hurt someone. My suggestion would be 2 kinetic ropes in that instance if you needed to bump it to get them unstuck.

[@evictioncarpentry2628]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS That's wrong. It will still stretch as normal if there's another strap connected. Why would a kinetic rope turn into a ridge strap just because another one is added. It's no different then being connected to the vehicle and people bump with ridgid straps no problem, its just a rougher hit. Lmao.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

@@evictioncarpentry2628 you are correct in it will stretch but the other one won’t so when it stretches and the other one doesn’t, the strap can snap and kinetic can become a giant rubber band headed back.

[@shawnmancebo1217]

@AZ WESTSIDE WHEELERS if you are running the proper size rope and soft shakles together, there should be no problem if the stretch rope is the weakest link. There should be no concern you will stretch your rope and pull just as if you only had one connected I've done these many times allowing the pulling vehicle to get into a better position this can make a safer,steady and controlled pull for everybody

[@MarreroBuilt]

Damn now I have to buy different types of kinetic ropes instead of having a single 1" one.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

If you were pulling different weights, it would help.

[@TheSnobbyDawg]

I think if you just had to have only one size to 1 inch would be the best way to go

[@johnwax9759]

December 2023, and all sizes are unavailable. When will they become available?

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

I’m trying to contact the owner to find out.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

They should be available on eBay very soon if not already. Amazon was charging excessive fees.

[@cabela7869]

Just get the 1 in and your good to go

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

For most that would definitely work.

[@TonyChin226]

Cool shorts

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Much appreciated

[@Chris-lp3dm]

Where are Keegan Tools ropes made? What country? I know that Yankum Ropes are Made In USA, but cannot find any reference to where Keegan are made?

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

There are made in china. Sold by an American company.

[@Chris-lp3dm]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS Thank you for replying to my question. Whenever I possibly can I buy Made In USA. Since I know Yankum Ropes and Factor55 both manufacture in the USA, I'll have to go with their gear.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

@@Chris-lp3dm your very welcome. fair enough. I appreciate supporting USA made products as well.

[@ericrichardson3332]

Also you can attach to any soild part of the frame it's not ideal but in a pinch it will work if you rip the frame of the vehicle out from under it then I don't know what to say , just use common sense and don't endanger yourself or anyone else

[@phillipbentz5325]

Live on the west side. Just started wheeling with a 1999 tj 3” on 31s. Is there a way to join your group?

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Nice. Westside of Arizona or Phoenix? We are out of KINGMAN Az. The actual Westside of Arizona 😂

[@phillipbentz5325]

West phoenix

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

@@phillipbentz5325 yeah I figured. We’re 3-4 hours from you. But anytime you get this way hit us up we’d love to show you trails around here.

[@phillipbentz5325]

Great. Sounds good

[@code_-kl5fu]

They don't sell this anymore? I don't see it Amazon.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Huh. I’ll try contacting the owner and see what is going on maybe they sold out during holiday sales.

[@code_-kl5fu]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS Cool. I appreciate it.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

They should be available soon on eBay if not already. Amazon was charging excessive fees.

[@code_-kl5fu]

Cool thank you for thanks again for the response. @@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS

[@stevessteve2920]

my suv is 5600 pounds is 1 inch better choice than 7/8?

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Well, underrated you always worry about breakage if you are stuck deep in the mud, the suction can double your weight. With a rope that is a little overrated. It might not be as smooth on the rubber band Feel when someone is tugging you out, but you never have to worry. That’s my take on the subject. I would say 1 inch but that depends on your application if you’re talking dry dirt roads in a little bit of sand you never have to worry about that suction but if you hook to your 10,000 pound buddy for some odd reason, you have to worry with a smaller rope. Personally, I would go 1 inch and never have to worry who or what I hooked to. If you’re hooking to something light, make it an easier jerk because the rope won’t flex as much.

[@stevessteve2920]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS copy that il get an 1 inch one.thanks for the reply:)

[@shelley131]

Just recently saw your video and I really want to buy your product. My concern is that I want to buy one rope for my needs. Am undecided on whether to get the 1" or the 1 1/4" but am leaning towards the 1 1/4". GVWR on my 1/2 ton 4X4 is 7200 lbs and 10360 pounds on the other vehicle. Should I get the 1 1/4" rope? Not an off-roader, but do a lot of fishing on the gulf coast and camping on the beach. BTW great, great video and excellent instructions given and pulling a stuck vehicle. Thank you for sharing.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

We appreciate that very much. I would say go with the bigger of the ropes and take it easy when using it to pull out the smaller vehicle i.e. it will be more like a tow strap and have less kinetic energy so don’t hit it hard or you might jerk someone’s fillings out ha ha. But I would say it will still have kinetic energy and give you plenty of help. Overrated rope is much better than underrated and breaking. In my opinion you will definitely enjoy the rope. It is great quality. Make sure you get a couple of soft shackles as well. .

[@shelley131]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS I just ordered the bigger one. Thank you.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

@@shelley131 you are very welcome. Glad to help anytime.

[@bhshakari]

If his tires are 37's, the holes he was in weren't 37" unless they where covering his entire tire ;)

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Is that how math works 🤔😂. Y’all knew what I meant. Come on give a guy a break. 😂

[@Marvelous3215]

Do the soft shackles come with the rope ??

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

No they are sold separately and are extremely beefy. They are made for any size rope even the biggest of them in their size range. They are also sold individually on Amazon.

[@Dav-S5658]

The shackle tabs on the blue jeep are way too thin. The shackle pin is not in double shear, which dramatically reduces it's strength.. The tab should be the full width of the pin. If you do have a less than great attachment point, a bridle to another point can help spread the load. Good video though, thank you.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

My jeeps attachment points are 1/4” steel. Definitely strong enough for recovery’s. Might be camera angles but my bumpers are very heavy duty. I do agree if attachment points are weaker a bridal is the way to go. We always appreciate the feedback. Thank you 🙏

[@IronButterknife]

Is there any issue with just buying the biggest one to cover all?

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Yeah it is gonna have no stretch on small vehicle’s. If you’re looking for one rope to kind of do everything, the 1 inch would probably be best. Matts off-road recovery uses a 1 inch for most things but that being said if the vehicle is super heavy or super light, it’s not gonna quite do as intended but it should still work as long as you use it smart. So if you’re looking for a one size fits all probably your 1 inch would cover just about what you need , would be OK for the big stuff and a little too much for the little stuff but still wouldn’t break.

[@vbtom]

Would a 3/4" bee too much for a 4k lbs jeep? I frequently wheel with bigger 4 door jeeps and would want something good for both

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

I would recommend 7/8”. Might be a little stiff for the LJ but will work up to 7000k working load. Perfect for 4 doors excluding ones on tons and 40’s. That would be pushing it but probably still safe. 3/4” is only good to 4500 lbs so not good for 4 doors really.

[@moustachemike7128]

which ones better yankum , rhino or keegen ? or are they the same..

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Well honestly I’ve never held a yankum in person other than looking at Sema. But I can say Keegan is great quality same look and feel of rhino ones. We tested them hard and never had any issues.

[@Seamusyt1396]

Guess the 1 1/4 46klbs is best for an 04 f250 fx4 flatbed

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Yes I would say so. Without knowing your weight exactly if you are over 8000 pounds yes that is the rope you need. We will also be doing a video on this one and a quarter soon. We appreciate you tuning in.

[@Seamusyt1396]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS sweet thank you I'll sub to get the notification

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

@@Seamusyt1396 you’re very welcome. Always glad to help anytime. We sure appreciate the support. 🔥

[@Seamusyt1396]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS I live just west of the Ozarks so been stuck in clay mud a time or two

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

@@Seamusyt1396 oh yes clay mud is the worst suction for days definitely get the bigger rope ha ha when your in suction like that your weight is multiply tremendously I bet that thing goes from 7000 to 11 in some clay mud ha ha

[@montanaairframer]

If you're in a club or wheel often, you should have equipment at the heaviest of your "partner's" rig, not your own. Meaning, a 3900 pound Jeep can extract a 7,000 pound F250 with the right tools. Yes, the F250 should have their own equipment..... But do they usually have it?

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

As leader I usually have my guys covered. Plus Monstro weighs close to a small f250 so my rope works for most rigs under 10k. But solid advice for sure. We appreciate the feedback always. 🙏

[@kainenr]

So true. Here I am researching recovery gear because my 4x4 friends NONE of them have anything for recovery. Last time we were in the woods. We avoided spots because if we got stuck we had no gear to get out.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

@@kainenr Yeah that’s never great. Sounds like you guys need to make a list of what is needed and start picking stuff up as is affordable. If you run in a normal group, start having everyone pick up different items off the list. That way you have what you need on the list between the group until everyone can afford to have their own stuff.

[@TigerRagFishingTeam]

Chinese made ropes I assume? Thank you for the video. Looks like they perform well, especially given how deep those rigs were dug in.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Yes, it’s an American company who sells them but the ropes are made in China, correct. You know for the options that are available They are a very well-made inexpensive option. We have yanked on them pretty hard a few times and never had any issues. My take on that is just never trying overdo the rope. Always make sure you’re using more rope than needed when it comes to weight rating and you should be fine . You are very welcome. Hope the video was helpful.

[@Seamusyt1396]

My truck is stock beside the flatbed

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

So judging by what the inter-webs say you’re going to be somewhere between six and 7000 pounds so if you’re even remotely stuck in mud or any kind of suction, it will max out the capacity of a 1 inch rope and might break so my suggestion would be to go with the bigger one. It might be a little stiffer of a tug, but you will never have to worry about breaking it because of overweight. That is how I look at safely recovering vehicle’s I would rather have it jar a little because it’s possibly a little bigger rope than you need but that is better than breaking because it was too small and then someone can get hurt. It’s still shouldn’t be too large where it acts just like a strap. You should still get the kinetic energy benefits at that weight range judging by the testing we did in the video. Hopefully this helps clear anything up for you if you have any questions, feel free to hit us up anytime. We also have a Facebook page and group that we post stuff in all the time.

[@Seamusyt1396]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS nice very helpful thank you very much

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

@@Seamusyt1396 you’re very welcome

[@greedygringoprospecting6941]

got a rhino tow strap 3x20 & D rings me a tacoma

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

That’s a great start to a recovery kit. Very useful tools to have but sometimes you need help from kinetic energy. Add a couple soft shackles and a kinetic rope and you will be in good shape for most situations.

[@evictioncarpentry2628]

I've used a 7/8 rope with my F150 to yank out multiple F350s and 1/2 tons buried to the frame and it works fine. 2 weeks ago I yanked out an F350 WITH a 16 foot enclosed trailer attached to it. I live on a road with an icy hill and I do a frame deep snow recovery almost weekly from people that don't know they shouldnt stop for the stop sign in winter or they end up in the ditch on my street. Your load limits of 7/8 are 22-28k lbs depending on mfg. Could you use a bigger rope. Sure. But they're way stronger then you think.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Snow is soft and moves easily. Sand is dense and mud creates suction. Yes in an easy situation like pulling on ice or soft snow you can use just about any size rope . But when you put the max load on a rope and then add suction, you will find a problem. I am not saying a small rope couldn’t do it . I’m just letting people know that maxing out a rope is probably not best. I’m sure I can pull out an F350 with the little tiny 3/4” rope if they just need a small tug on ice or something of that nature, but when you bury someone in the sand or mud things become different, there’s a lot of resistance. We appreciate the feedback.

[@evictioncarpentry2628]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS Buddy. We have heart attack snow where I am in Canada. It's wet and freezes into concrete. Once you break the crust and sink to the frame you're F'd. You have no idea what you're talking about. You're like the ricers of the Honda community but with 4x4s lol We also have the greasiest clay mud you've ever seen and it's the same situation. As above.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

@@evictioncarpentry2628 zing zing 🙄😂

[@michaeljakus8373]

@@evictioncarpentry2628 I really think your missing the point of the vid. What Westside is showing here is the ideal rope for the ideal weight. If I was on the trail and some one was stuck I would try what ever kinectic rope I had on me at the time. I would not tell the person sry but your vehical is off by 500 lbs. can't help you. Its a video more about the rope, the size, the weight ,and the pull. Keep doing what your doing as its nice to see peaple like you helping those that get stuck .

[@insidejob8309]

How are you going to pull a car out with that? Most don't have custom giant tow hooks on them. Those are great if both cars have a tow hook, in reality they don't.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

In reality do you expect to get a car stuck in the sand ? At that point a tow truck is probably best to not damage something they aren’t meant to be there but You can take a couple soft shackles and wrap it around the frame or a secure piece of the vehicle and attach it to the rope. Done deal. I’ve had to do this to vehicles without these recovery points. My intention was to show safe OFFROAD recovery on OFFROAD vehicles. A car should not be Offroad. Any vehicle going Offroad should be equipped with some type of recovery point or you should bring what you need to hook up to your vehicle and that was also part of the point I was trying to get across. Be prepared for stuff if you leave the pavement. Thank you for the question. We always appreciate the feedback.

[@insidejob8309]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS Oh if its just for specific vehicles with specific parts then yes it all works. Yea those soft shackles are nice, easier on the body if one goes flying :) We see cars stuck in the winter, very common to have to pull one out. They don't want to hear how they should not have been there or should not have spun out into a ditch , they just need help.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

@@insidejob8309 no it’s not just for specific vehicles with specific parts. I was demonstrating the use in our field and most common. You can use them for anything but if you are going to use it on a variety of cars you need to figure out how to hook it to a million different cars with very different features and ways to hook up. Tow companies carry a huge assortment of gear to attach to the different vehicles as to not damage anything. We’re not really running around recovering car’s much but if that’s what you do then yes these ropes will work perfectly. Get a dozen soft shackles and you should be able to recover most cars.

[@INFRNL1]

that's what soft shackles are for. they can be wrapped around something solid

[@oafdawg314]

Could have done the same thing with the strap.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

They are not designed to hit with tension like a kinetic. People do, but that is not what they are designed for.

[@christopherhendricks4369]

what trail was this video done on?

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Not a trail really. Just the wash up from Blackbridge.

[@christopherhendricks4369]

@@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS thanks for the video. very helpful to me.

[@jerryrig8648]

I went to the website for Keegen and could not find out where the ropes were made I assume they are made in China so I have to say no thanks I will pay the extra for an American made rope.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Yes they are made in China. That’s completely your preference. There are a few good ones out there. We appreciate your feedback.

[@m3logistics]

Bow shackles, not D-shackles (rings)!

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Listed as both but ok.

[@kamrenderrickson9447]

Using a 1" on 5.5k ish vehicle? a 1" yankum is used on diesels and service trucks.... How much difference is there between the brands?

[@kamrenderrickson9447]

I also question the necessity of using a soft shackle in conjunction with an already present hard shackle. I understand that soft shackles are great and the only safe way to join ropes or rig around things that aren't good factory tow points, but all one has to do on an offroad bumper is unscrew the shackle pin, thread the rope eyelet, and rethread the pin. Being on the the end of the rope, so long as the weight ratings are all within spec for the rigs involved, no need to redundantly add that additional piece of kit.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

The weight ratings are similar although yankum uses a range technically a 7/8” would be used on 5.5k vehicle on both but I would rather have a little more rope than needed incase suction or something similar adds to the resistance. Breaking an underrated rope in a sketchy situation is not ideal. As per the soft shackle question. Great question. It’s a quick use thing as well as safety but you are correct that you only need unscrew hard shackle , but like most of us they are tightened down hard to keep them from being stolen or vibrating loose so tools are needed to unscrew. We use them as a fixed point that you don’t have to worry about cutting any ropes from sharp edges. Never hurts to have a soft shackle in your kit they weigh nothing and have a variety of uses. We appreciate the feedback!

[@BronsonButler-qy9ne]

Using a 1 inch rope on a small vehicle ant going to tear it apart don’t get 10 feet of slack and floor it goody

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

I agree. But it’s definitely not heavy enough to utilize the kinetic energy. At that point you might as well just use a strap and pull like normal.

[@DieselArcher]

I’m not a fan of the rubber ropes. Most of these KZbin guys are rocking yankum because they get them free. Why spend 200 plus bucks on nylon ropes when poly is much stronger. You can get quality straps rated 3 times the rope at 1/4 the price.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Well I suppose it’s preference. We just towed a guy out with one and there is absolutely no jerking or yanking around when slack gets in the line. I mean just because chain is stronger doesn’t make it the best option. But I completely understand if you’re not doing stuff that requires a kinetic rope then the cost is unnecessary.

[@hardcoreish]

Kinetic ropes do not add any kinetic energy to a pull! They only apply the force more gradually, This is a great reason to use them, but it absolutely doesn't add energy or pull harder. Please explain this to your audience to stop the mis-information about your product.

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Not sure where you’re getting your information. But from what I pull online from the companies that sell these things and other sources this is the definition I get. Definition … Kinetic Energy Recovery Ropes have the ability to elongate under load by 30%, much like a rubber band, which allows it to use it's own kinetic energy to help dislodge a stuck vehicle. Kinetic Recovery Ropes are safer than chains, cables and standard tow straps and and are also stronger. So I believe you have mis-information.

[@hardcoreish]

This video does a good job of explaining the physics involved. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6SziKKjbKpnnpIsi=FQI3m0cbb3dZk0_9 Thanks

[@charlesgentry1845]

Dang over weight jeeps just suck right into the sand lol

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Haha Yeah that blue one just fell right into a hole lol

[@geoffgeoff143]

Disagree with your technique. Kinetic recovery should be your LAST option!

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

I don’t remember saying it was a first option. I was showing how to use a kinetic rope lol. But thanks for your input

[@pranays]

6k lbs that as heavy as my fullsize bronco.🤦🏾‍♂️

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

Yeah I have a ton of armor , Full skids and steel bumpers. He is a heavy boy haha. Built like a tank though 🤷‍♂️😂

[@johnphillipsjr7238]

Too much screwing around

[@AZWESTSIDEWHEELERS]

🤷‍♂️