Best Electric Cars 2024 (and the ones to avoid) - Top 10 | What Car?

[@whatcar]

What do you think is the best electric car you can buy right now? ⚡🚗

[@nilmeanseo]

The best electric car you can buy right now is a second hand one. The new ones all depreciate really badly.

[@kasmstamps1897]

In OZ, for someone that doesn't want SUV, hatch or ute (truck) - I've got a deposit on a BYD Dynamic Seal🦭

[@nealm1814]

Tesla Model Y but of course its not on your list 🙄🙄

[@sargfowler9603]

New or 2nd hand?

[@jjZ41962]

Tesla M3 2024 RWD

[@GT86crazy]

No mention of the BYD Seal or Kia EV9? Both nominees for 2024 car of the year. Interesting.

[@kasmstamps1897]

I'm voting with my $ in Oz. I have deposit on Dynamic Seal 50k. M3 starts at 67k.

[@Popdog76]

⁠unfortunately BYD are no cheaper than Tesla in the UK

[@kasmstamps1897]

@@Popdog76 that might change - recession in China, BYD fleet of transporter ship get delivered or other factors - EU might lower there protectionist tariffs? Oh wait; Britain left EU so that might lower tariffs? Election coming up. Jonathon Pie anyone?

[@andrewmontague2636]

Issues with parts supply from China are causing problems with getting insurance. Probably best avoided for now!

[@CHINAxiaobei]

@@Popdog76 EU launches a low price dumping investigation on Chinese electric vehicles

[@georgiehogman2001]

Skoda Enyaq 85 and 85x? VW ID3 and 4? Where were they?

[@gypsyemperor7535]

The VW cars are terrible, Tesla destroyed them in range and efficiency tests

[@MoragDrummond]

I was expecting to see the Skoda. Apparently you need to get one of the really cheap cars or a luxury overpriced models.

[@geoffreyjones6019]

Yep, the Enyaq is excellent though I’d choose the Cupra Born over the ID3.

[@taomahNEGEV]

@@MoragDrummond The Epiq is coming.

[@shogunpxp]

Someone is getting a back handed pay day

[@GM-yu1lg]

Can't believe you're re-quoting those nonsense WLTP range estimates! People need real world figures for this, which is a major consideration when buying an EV!

[@greengoblin2347]

Totally agree, WLTP is a joke for electric vehicles

[@jamil027]

It's a very soft-touch and undetailed video overall.

[@Fromatic]

Unrealistic but at least its some kind of comparable standard, otherwise you'd get a whole bunch of different numbers for the same car by even the same person depending how they drove it, what the conditions were etc, never mind trying to compare against other cars driven by other reviewers

[@taomahNEGEV]

BYD Seal and Delphine, Peugeot 208, the 2008 or the 308?

[@samteknic]

Still don’t get how the Model 3 beats the EV6. The latter has a much longer warranty, much better build quality, physical buttons, a nicer interior, I could go on. The Supercharger network shouldn’t be the only reason to carry on putting Tesla at the top of every list.

[@Popdog76]

Watch again - new model better build quality, cheaper, more efficient. SC network was just a plus. Kia/hyundai great cars but not worth the price

[@sinenomine4540]

especially considering that all EV charging is highly expensive. EVs worth it ONLY if you can charge it at home and optimally you have solar panels.

[@sargfowler9603]

@@Popdog76 New model lacking any kind of normal driving experience. Surprised it has a steering wheel TBH

[@gypsyemperor7535]

Model 3 destroys the Kia on range and efficiency tests in real world

[@sargfowler9603]

@@gypsyemperor7535 The only good thing about it

[@purnamapurnama828]

Byd??

[@cokyrobes]

Agree on the Model 3 place - but Model Y should be in No2 and get rid of the GV60 - I'm driving one right now for work and it is nothing compared to my own Model Y

[@vernevens1598]

How many people do you have to take with you to push the car?

[@Bobpaule]

In the US right now the best selling EVs are MY, M3, and Cybertruck on third place.

[@fyve4321]

Fingers burned by servicing charges for VW. Dont seem to get reported on, but for a break fluid change and MOT style inspection its around 300. Then they want another 150 every 2 years to service the aircon (even though we dont have a heat pump). Rip off.

[@timoliver8940]

Same with BMW and Mini - ludicrous 2 yearly “service” cost to take a sample of brake fluid to test for water content, change of cabin air filter if necessary, “condition” inspection and a 1 minute video for as much as they want to service an ICE version and my Mini was all and ready for collection done in 30 minutes…………. Unlike the ICE version that needs oil changed, new oil filter and possibly new spark plugs

[@fyve4321]

@@timoliver8940 it's pushing me to a Space Karen car. No mandatory servicing and access to more chargers. I preferred the Y to the new 3 as the controls are better on the Y.

[@Lensman3333]

You have NOT mentioned the Skoda Enyaq 85

[@Jan.Willem]

Why choose ID buzz over Kia EV9? 😂😂😂😂

[@gypsyemperor7535]

Because nobody spending that kinda money in a Kia

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

@@gypsyemperor7535 And yet in my experience of owning both VWs and Kia I can say that build quality and interiors on the Kia are just as good, reliability is better and running costs cheaper.

[@gypsyemperor7535]

@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 stay poor

[@marcuswoodgate4026]

@@gypsyemperor7535nobody cares about the car brand anymore they are all the same!! Overpriced, expensive and inconvenient.

[@aacmove]

Money under the table?

[@rchatte100]

No model Y?

[@jakerogan2472]

It's old news

[@jaynielander2408]

The number 1 car selling globally is missing from this list! Tesla model Y. I believe it’s also the best selling Ev in the UK. I know a new model is due soon, is this the reason for its absence?

[@JetWash944]

Was thinking the same thing. Drove the face-lifted 3 and ordered a Y. It missing from this list makes no sense.

[@andrewpagan5087]

Because being the most popular doesn't make it a good reliable car

[@JetWash944]

@@andrewpagan5087 It is a good reliable car though, very obviously so.

[@johnlewins5023]

Better in almost all respect to a model 3, so model Y should be number 1

[@3dgarMendez]

@@johnlewins5023the new M3 is better than the current Y. No doublet all the new changes the M3 has will make it to the future Y though.

[@rabbyg147]

So what about the model y tesla

[@camilstoenescu]

Smart #1 is such a cute little ev.

[@thelaserhive3368]

But the fox would drive me mad….

[@estevemarti6803]

Yes, it has been my option, and I am delighted!

[@srb9375]

A surprisingly poor review from the normally excellent What Car. Completely ignored cabin ergonomics, especially for the Volvo EC30, which has been universally hammered by most other car reviews.

[@Andersljungberg]

An older Tesla S that was two-wheel drive had a lot of space even under the front hatch, at least compared to an average electric car

[@greg_289]

No mention of software? Like mobile phones, the software experience will become the most important consideration for the next generation of vehicle buyers. Good navigation, charge planning, mobile app integration etc.

[@biudr-ne8mw]

You r right。me，as an im motors ls 6 owner, can hardly agree with such ranking. my ls6 is at another superior level comparing all the cars mentioned in the video

[@greg_289]

@@biudr-ne8mw Not heard of it before. Looks cool!

[@biudr-ne8mw]

@@greg_289 sure, it's not well-known in china as well because of IM's poor marketing strategies. In 3 days, L6 will be lauched with the world's first digital chassis and its cltp will upto 1000km because of a brand new semi solid battery that support 800V insanely fast charging.

[@jackluish]

Where's the Tesla Model Y & the BYDs from this list?

[@paulcharlton2353]

I have only driven 2 EV´s for any distance (thousands of kms) the BMW I7 and Mercedes Benz EQV and I have never got anywhere near the claimed 10-80% charge time despite using a vide range of fast chargers. Could What Car do a real world test of this capability to see if like WLTP range they are some sort of idealised value no one will ever see?

[@GDM22]

When they do range tests they never test them driving around in the suburbs, commuting, doing stop start driving where EV excel and where most people do the bulk of their driving.

[@paulcharlton2353]

@@GDM22 what has that to do with 10-80% charging time?

[@sinenomine4540]

physics 101: it will take a lot more energy to make the car move than what you can recover from breaking. The advantage over ICE is while existent, it is not significant. Some EV promoters paint it like you can drive in the city for free, which is not the case at all.@@GDM22

[@GDM22]

@@paulcharlton2353 It has to do with your comment about WLTP range and never achieving it.

[@GDM22]

@@MrGonetopot LFP batteries are recommended to be charged to 100% regularly.

[@fergalgriffin5858]

I thought the Nissan Leaf 62 kw should have made it to the shortlist as well despite a fairly modest range it can do on a single charge but still its up there for reliability and one of the cheapest family EVs for those on a tight budget. Another barrier too about why people are reluctant to change to EV is the short battery life it has compared to a conventional petrol or Diesel engine.

[@Wilkowanderer]

In 2024 it would be a bad idea to buy any Chademo car, while yes you might think right now it doesn't matter as there are still a few chargers or you will only charge at home but in the coming years you will struggle to sell it on. And for the price of a Leaf you might consider a Zoe with CCS support.

[@sebastiansandvik825]

Almost a bit unfair to bunch up the Mach-E and Lexus in that way. Sure, the Mach-E has some major shortcomings, but it's in no way as catastrophically bad as the Lexus.

[@crestas9]

The Mach-e is a really good car in my opinion but the prices are just way too high for what it is

[@sebastiansandvik825]

@@crestas9 I mean, it would be ok if it was maybe 5000 cheaper than cars like Tesla MY, VW ID.4, Ioniq 5 and so on... Problem is that it's more expensive and they can't build it any cheaper.

[@dickturpin3115]

Yes, wind back about 18 months and they were telling everyone it was the best car

[@robwatson1801]

So so build quality on the Mach E??? What?? The ride is firm, no argument there but build quality? That contradicts What Cars own review!

[@georgesfikas9652]

I have an extended range mach e and i don't know why to avoid it. I will buy it again and again.

[@aston-martin-internationalist]

Very very surprised the i4 wasn't mentioned considering many considered it being better than the previous generation model 3. I love the ID Buzz, but VAG efficiency never seems great and it has a poor real range.

[@jonathancamp1460]

so every EV apart from the best-selling EV in the world! I can't take What Car seriously with such an obvious omission.

[@sargfowler9603]

The Tesla Model Y?

[@lachlanB323]

Best selling car of 2023 you mean!!!

[@lachlanB323]

@@sargfowler9603 Yep!

[@sargfowler9603]

I really think you should look at these cars in terms of lease price because most EV owners say they'd never buy one with cash. The depreciation is horrific, so leasing avoids this. May also be worth listing depreciation values if they're available to see how much they might be selling for in a couple of years time.

[@kasmstamps1897]

I'm going to pay mine outright. About GUB25k for luxury sedan. EV EV baby🦭

[@sargfowler9603]

@@kasmstamps1897 Which one are you going to buy?

[@jameschapman4824]

IMHO If you are going to lease a car the depreciation doesn't matter because you give it back.

[@sinenomine4540]

what do you think the leasing company sets their prices? In the end their customers pay for the depreciation.@@jameschapman4824

[@Brian-om2hh]

Most who choose a new EV will lease it rather than buy it. That way, you avoid the depreciation shocks. Try buying a new petrol Merc. BMW or similar, and see how it depreciates......

[@tug1345]

The Genesis offers 239 KW fast charging, is that available in GB, is it possible, if so how many places

[@mikadavies660]

I like your Top Ten 2024 EVs. However, I would like to see a Top Ten used EVs for say £8,000 to £14,000. As I think this is a practical price range and if you were over £15k you would probably buy new.

[@Apipoulai]

Agreeing with many of the comments: i am missing the Cupra Born and Skoda Enyaq on the list. Also looking forward to the expanded availability of the Zeekr X and Zeekr 001: much better versions of the Volvo EX30 and Polestar 4 respectively.

[@kelalamusic9258]

As an owner of an EV, I won’t be purchasing another until they implement better battery technology than the present LI battery. When charging, you have to be mindful of battery degradation down the road, and not to mention limited range and charging time. My advice to others who are contemplating an EV, wait until something better than LI comes out.

[@iBullyDemons]

Better batteries are being developed right now. I believe they're probably only a few years away. I will definitely be buying an electric if there is better battery tech and faster charging which seems to be inevitable.

[@logitech4873]

What EV do you have?

[@kelalamusic9258]

I drive a ‘22 Nissan Leaf. Love the car, but limited in available driving miles. It’s hard to take advantage of max mileage due to trying to keep the battery at optimum efficiency. In order to do that I try not to charge more than 80%, and not allow it to go below 20%. It would be nice to have battery technology that allows me to drive farther with a full 100% charge without degrading the battery over time.

[@logitech4873]

@@kelalamusic9258 Look into LFP based EVs. Tesla model 3 and Y have LFP variants that can be charged to 100% every time.

[@kelalamusic9258]

@@logitech4873I wonder if any of the owners have reported any significant battery degradation.

[@sebastiansandvik825]

Where's the VW ID.7 and Hyundai Ioniq 6? Those really should be on a top 10 list of the best EV's.

[@pad4]

No they shouldn't.

[@oleroren8314]

why?@@pad4

[@pad4]

@@oleroren8314 All the VWs have a terrible infotainment system. The Ioniq 6 looks like a cockroach and has a cheap interior.

[@gyularomhalmi3173]

@@pad4 Cheap interior like as Tesla or Volvo Ex30? 🙂

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[@StHabibiJohnsonAhmedFranklin]

Avoid Taycan's, watch other motor vids to see why, dealers can't get rid of them off their showroom, also depreciates fast AF.

[@KhanhHoàng-z9h]

Their tech setup for bets is so advanced yet so user friendly, love it

[@urbanspaceman7183]

We all know that EVs don't achieve the advertised range, and if you don't let them drop below 10% and only charge to 80% then that's 30% off the real world range anyway.

[@PaulCopp]

Yes, but that still gives me 150-160 miles from a Model 3 LR in the midst of winter, which for everyday usage is more than adequate. On a run, I have to stop for 20 minutes or so every 2.5 hours, which given how ridiculously cheap to run it is, and that it will outpace most cars on the road is still well worth it IMHO.

[@urbanspaceman7183]

@@PaulCopp Good for you, my old diesel would outpace your car on a long journey and will be worth more than yours at trade in time.

[@urbanspaceman7183]

@@PaulCopp How would you manage towing a caravan for a couple of hundred miles? My car can manage 400 miles doing that and after a 5 minute fill, can do the same again.

[@PaulCopp]

Each to their own. I love cars and motorbikes and have had some nice cars, BUT if you haven't driven one I suggest you give it a try. The performance is phenomenal and combine that with zero servicing, zero VED, 300+mpg equivalent and no dealer bull***t it has me hooked. They came to the house to change a wiper arm under warranty no questions. Loaned me one for 12 hours for a test drive and zero pressure sales when I handed it back. Mine was used at two years old with only 15k miles and cost no more than a similar aged 3 series BMW, but has 4 wheel drive and a 0-60 just over 4 seconds. You are correct for towing, but it's not meant for that. Have a test drive of a 3 series dual motor and see the future.@@urbanspaceman7183

[@strongerandwiser2023]

Id say a huge barrier for people buying them too is the massive depreciation they are seing on them at the moment. Its putting me off buying something new. I mean you can pick up high milage 2021 model 3 teslas for 14 grand. Thats just insane.

[@j204ever5]

you forgot the Lucid AIR Pure!

[@jamesardron]

The buzz’s range needs to do more to be an option for most. It’ll be typically carrying more weight than most and even before loading that range isn’t good enough

[@Patchow]

Tesla Model Y should be number 2!

[@madasalem8840]

The charger should be saved in the car like the charger of the labtop.

[@MyChannel-di2ho]

what about the Y?

[@SWR112]

30 seconds of adverts before you even start, I’d watch what your doing there. Note to advertisers we see these adverts as a annoyance, it gets in our way and I’ve forgotten whatever that advert even was there but that it took up 30 seconds of my time.

[@pappi8338]

God forbid someone collects a few pennies from the 30 seconds of your life to put food on the table

[@bodymind9158]

Mach E and EV6 are direct competitors. Makes no sense to me that you suggest to avoid one because it's a stiffer ride and put the other way up in the list.

[@1234_Star]

What about BYD and Chinese EVS

[@tompresley853]

Don't buy a Volvo EX30 as if kids/dogs in car and you want to go into a shop/leave car alarm goes off, no way of stopping it! Software is very poor. If I had been told that I couldn't disable alarm, I wouldn't have bought it.

[@danielszymczewski9637]

No mention of the Renault E tech scenic?

[@peterchapman8357]

i went in my first ride in an electric car it was a Tesla smooth and quiet but this was a taxi and had a chance to ask the driver how he was getting on with it, he said his problem is charging up, a fast charge is expensive and makes his business less profitable, a slower charger more economic but has to wait around and not taking any fares! he does not have facility at his home to charge up which would be much cheaper, however if everyone did the same the national grid does not have enough energy ti support this. The driver said it would be cheaper for him to have a petrol car.

[@quangao1901]

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[@Anusiri-r9s]

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[@MarcScoltock]

Thank you for the infomation.

[@danielgoncalves6386]

Did you forgot the model y?

[@Mr.P001]

It would have been nice to include the price ranges for the cars you have recommended

[@miless2111sutube]

Assuming that the ioniq n isn't in there because it wasn't on sale at the time? If so if expect it to be up there next year. Isn't it frustrating that reviews only give real downsides years after the launch raving fire instance a tiring ride from the mach e

[@MGriff-q1i]

Really? The So So Buzz selection and position strongly suggests the thinking behind this list is about “looking” fashionable. It looks like click bait for the sake of it.

[@davew89]

What Car reliability survey 2023 scored the Mach-E at 100% but it’s one to avoid?

[@theciscomanser]

No BYD? Can’t trust you anymore 😔

[@imrancheema3648]

Where stand ioniq 5 and bz4x?

[@madasalem8840]

I love electricity so much .aND I love that cars that go by electricity power

[@HuyenNguyen-r5e3z]

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[@Norcon13]

Electric cars that don't rely on battery storage but can run purely on solar energy. Or electric/fuel hybrids that run mostly on solar can be invented?

[@joepowell7025]

The infrastructure here in Australia far from ready to taken ANY EV .. We have DECADES to go before any of these things can become feasible.

[@e-herm2726]

there are many Superchargers and many are under construction, you will not buy a petrol car anymore!

[@1969cmp]

Chris Bowen lives in la la land if he think EVs are going to help the planet.

[@Andersljungberg]

The long range of the Tesla 3 charges even faster. But the most popular Tesla is the Tesla Y

[@TheTravellingCap9162]

Tesla...... No way. The nearest Tesla charger is 75 miles away from me. I'm more than happy with my base model Hyundai Kona Advance. Currently averaging 4.2 m/kWh in the cold, see what happens in the summer 🎉🎉

[@chrisdobson1652]

We're really enjoying our Jeep Avenger and getting really good efficiency from it but not even a mention :(

[@MoragDrummond]

That’s interesting. But very heavy on the super expensive cars. We know they’re good. So we have to have an MG or a luxury car?

[@stevewhitmill2037]

The top EV6 is £65k.

[@Kilmoveebee]

I have to say I’m surprised that there was no mention of the Hyundai Kona.

[@MrGMawson2438]

The Model 2 and the new Rivian R3X will be great

[@greengoblin2347]

Any chance of anything that normal people can afford?

[@1969cmp]

Banning the sale of ICE vehicles. Crikey, that is going to be an interesting transition. Of course the WEF plan is to limit ownership. 🙄

[@JustinCooperMarsh]

agree with the Model 3 over the Model Y. Better range and price.

[@marcns007]

Model Y would have been in the list. Efficiency not bigger batteries is more SUSTAINABLE

[@neon-rust]

3:10 Excuse me, 8K? *EIGHT* K? As in 8000-pixels resolution? What an _fantastic_ waste of resources... and amazingly pointless.

[@muddymarvellous]

sold my electric car and went back to a diesel - I’d had enough Drivers are finding there are plenty of reasons for stalling on electric cars, from broken chargers and rising insurance costs to battery degradation and reduced range in cold weather

[@pappi8338]

Sounds like a personal issue

[@logitech4873]

Which EV?

[@turingtrading5301]

It would be good to understand the home charging at 7kW timings in future videos on EVs and keep the charging consistent from car to ease comparison

[@mohammedsaddak6495]

The amount of dead pigeons on the roads in the UK has definitely risen since the arrivals of electic cars

[@Bullrunnerrr]

How impressive the fuel Ranger Rover is? I never thought I would ever hear those words.

[@thelaserhive3368]

Let’s hope there is someone out there who can afford to insure it too….

[@gypsyemperor7535]

Poors wouldn't understand

[@jjaus]

I presume the EV version will be more reliable.

[@coldfire30]

Here in Germany all Supercharges are free for other brands, i expect that to happen in the UK also very soon.

[@jameschapman4824]

They will but will be priced much higher for the privilege.

[@Popdog76]

Extra revenue stream for tesla

[@dickturpin3115]

Stroll on. Have you visited this country? Nothing is ever free here

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Same here in France too, apart from some Tesla branded destination chargers in hotels

[@JustaDividendInvestor]

1: NIO ET5 touring 2: NIO EL6 3: NIO ET7

[@gio_Sky]

Can’t see the prices 😢

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[@Vinothkumar_Geeky_Vin]

Why does "What Car?" hate Jaguar iPace? "Before Taycan there were no engaging EVs" he says. Really? Would love to hear their thoughts on iPace as it's second hand price are pretty good these days.

[@Popdog76]

Reliability and poor technology are all negatives for a car that needs replacing

[@pad4]

Also, this list is for new cars. The iPace has awful depreciation.

[@crestas9]

The iPace is a great car but it has bad charging speed and range for that price. So it’s not really a rational choice

[@David_Denali]

Review the 2024 MG3 pls!

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

A missed opportunity here by wasting 2 places in the top 10 to >£100K cars that few people will buy. There is so much good product out there now in the mid range such as Hyundai Kona, Renault Megan e-tech and BYD Atto 3. A notch up from those in size the king is of course the Tesla Model Y which didn't become the best selling car in the world by being average.

[@YorkshireDave]

Have enjoyed other vids, but this one seems a bit silly. The i7 is only a possibility for 0.00001% to own and the EX30 is one of the worst cars built recently, especially at the price point.

[@anthdci]

This is like saying what is the best car for sale now and comparing a McLaren 720 vs a Peugeot 3008. We need to move past this comparing all EVs to just thinking of EVs as a power train and the actual vehicle as what matters. I purposely didn't get a model 3 because it's a saloon so I can't get my dogs cage in the boot. I actually ended up with a Mach E, a one to avoid on this list. However for me, it's price and practicality ranked far higher in my priorities list that this video has done.

[@tobiascelik3607]

Why avoid the Mach e with a rwd and range of 610km?😂

[@paulaor1]

What about the Mercedes EQB? Amazing range, great to drive, 7 seats?!?!?

[@zahanzahan-g3o]

i want to buy, but i dont think when

[@philproflee6316]

No mention of KIA Niro EV?

[@muridelacluj2052]

Hey, what about "car of the year 2024" Renault Scenic E-Tech? Shame...?

[@SwagatRay]

No one seems to talk about the ridiculous insurance quotes for EVs, particularly if it’s a Tesla!

[@rubenroman658]

What with the ioniq 5??

[@troop73oo]

You include the BMW i7 and omit the Tesla model Y, very odd.

[@georgesabbagh4269]

U do not mention the prices

[@sukishi-qu2lw]

AVATR 11， AVATR 12，the appearance of the vehicles are really elegant and cool, you can have a look.

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[@paouvous]

No Model Y? Really??

[@ianmoss20102010]

tesla model 3 60kw range 250 miles charge time 25min(10-80%) 80kw range 318 charge time 33mins (10-80%) the price you quoted is for the short range and range you quoted is for the long range lets get the facts right