NEW BYD Seal vs Tesla Model 3 vs VW ID.7 - best EV? | Road trip costs compared! | What Car?

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Күн бұрын

The new Tesla Model 3 is better than ever, but is it beaten by the BYD Seal? Or does the all-new VW ID.7 get the better of both of them? We drive hundreds of miles in all three EVs to compare them in every area and crunch the numbers.
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@franky3830
@franky3830 Жыл бұрын
Hi Guys, What a phenomenal video. Thx! A test between these three cars is awesome. Next week I’ll get my Seal, and I’m pretty happy that I decided to this car. 😁
@maximilianholland
@maximilianholland Жыл бұрын
Seal is a great car, comes with 6 years full vehicle warranty, and an LFP battery that has a lifetime of half a million miles or more. You made a great choice!
@franky3830
@franky3830 Жыл бұрын
Yes, next to the design, the LFP battery and the warranty was the reason why I have waited for. 😊
@ciybersal3499
@ciybersal3499 Жыл бұрын
I love the Seal, V2L, Heads up, blade battery, Stalks and Autogful German channel called it's driving dynamics better than Model 3 highland. It's incredible
@thiagolima5232
@thiagolima5232 Жыл бұрын
​@@maximilianhollandvw is best
@sobanoodlez9372
@sobanoodlez9372 Жыл бұрын
@@maximilianholland I also loved the seats in that car
@GerthebearBrady.
@GerthebearBrady. Жыл бұрын
And VW thinks people are not interested in buying EVs when in reality people are not interested in buying poorly designed EVs.
@KCJbomberFTW
@KCJbomberFTW Жыл бұрын
Tesla sells millions of them the model y is the most popular car on earth The euro market is tiny also nobody really cares it’s about China and USA
@DzeiEidz
@DzeiEidz Жыл бұрын
VW is improving, but very slowly. They have a fossil problem, and in this case fossils refer to the old-school engineers designing their EVs.
@thecontinuedvoyage3746
@thecontinuedvoyage3746 Жыл бұрын
They have a bit to catch up with Skoda and a long long way from Tesla
@tommietolan
@tommietolan Жыл бұрын
I sincerely hope vw never go to Teslas level.. because Teslas interior is lack lister and unergonomical
@robertvanzant2653
@robertvanzant2653 Жыл бұрын
Not to mention so expensive!
@newbris
@newbris 11 ай бұрын
The same BYD Seal sells for 31k GBP here in Australia. Roughly 14.5k GBP cheaper than your price. Crazy difference.
@袁力二
@袁力二 11 ай бұрын
On China Byd Seal sells for 10k !why?
@HyperIndian
@HyperIndian 11 ай бұрын
​@@袁力二because they can
@newbris
@newbris 11 ай бұрын
@@袁力二 Articles I've seen put it much dearer than that in China?
@_seola_
@_seola_ 11 ай бұрын
@@袁力二 bc of shipping and import tariffs that every country sets, also, since the West, lead by the USA, is trying to destroy China at all cost, that plays a big role as well. Not too long ago, Eu union, crazy Ursula Vonder!@#!@# wanted stop the import of "CHEAP" Chinese EV cars, because they were too affordable and other brands couldn't compete! So, the price of Chinese EV cars may actually increase in the future if EU keeps following master USA orders!
@jschannel8624
@jschannel8624 11 ай бұрын
​@@袁力二goverment incentive and subsidizes the car
@danielkierannevin9081
@danielkierannevin9081 Жыл бұрын
Funny, Ive watched multiple reviews of the BYD Seal, and unanimously everyone has commented on the quality of the Seal interior. After test driving myself several times, Id never describe it as "plasticky". As a BMW driver for 15+ years, id compare it to any 3 series Ive driven before. Subjective I suppose..
@donaldduck5731
@donaldduck5731 Жыл бұрын
True, however I learn 't as an Ex- BMW owner the quality materials didn't transgress to the mechanical systems, everything other than the cockpit was cheap as chips, poor quality, cheap plastics etc, etc. disappointing to say the least, my last BMW mechanic summed it up when I asked him why he didn't drive a BMW, he said his Vauxhall was far better quality.
@danielkierannevin9081
@danielkierannevin9081 Жыл бұрын
@donaldduck5731 Haha, fair point. Come to think of it, I've never had a BMW (3,4, or 530e) that hasn't given me problems. Relatively new or old.
@williamwatitwa3534
@williamwatitwa3534 Жыл бұрын
All of them are obviously tesla fans , you could tell from their enthusiasm when talking about anything Tesla
@lne176
@lne176 Жыл бұрын
@@williamwatitwa3534 agreed, totally not an objective review
@denovemportem
@denovemportem Жыл бұрын
Precisely! Seen reviews in english, french, spanish and portuguese and this is the first one that gives the BYD Seal a negative review regarding interior quality. Most of the videos grade it as having a BMW/Audi/Mercedes quality and ambience. But hey, when 3 guys are fanboys of a certain car brand, this was bound to happen....
@colddiesel
@colddiesel 11 ай бұрын
The main issue is not the cars at all, but the need for a common standard for re-charging facilities with some kind of additional control of maximum re-charging prices. The differences are absurd.
@teddy1080
@teddy1080 10 ай бұрын
My next door neighbour just received his BYD Seal, it looks and feels awesome. He had a Tesla 3 before but change to this and said he never regretted it. Fully loaded as most stuff comes as standard.
@ErnstHaft-k7x
@ErnstHaft-k7x Ай бұрын
He WILL regret it... 😂
@King_Fury
@King_Fury Ай бұрын
no he wont
@walidoutaleb7121
@walidoutaleb7121 Ай бұрын
the model 3 has had a refresh it is incomparable to previous generation
@RatimirRS
@RatimirRS Жыл бұрын
Seal has the lowest perceived quality? I've been sitting in all of them, and I can only ask: what have you 3 been smoking all morning? 🤔🙄🙂
@lovelight736
@lovelight736 9 ай бұрын
😂
@existentialbaby
@existentialbaby 9 ай бұрын
@m.a3914
@m.a3914 9 ай бұрын
Well Tesla now uses better quality materials than BYD and VW is an established brand so it is normal that the quality is better
@RatimirRS
@RatimirRS 9 ай бұрын
@@m.a3914 Tesla uses better quality materials? Seriously, what are you on about? Sure Tesla now uses more soft-touch materials, but it's all one or other type of foam. And their seats are still covered in that "vegan leather", whatever that it. It feels like very thin rubber. Seal, on the other hand, is lined with real quality leather, nappa leather. So seriously, what are you on about? 😆
@ObiePaddles
@ObiePaddles 7 ай бұрын
@@RatimirRSlots of people like me dont want leather for ethical reasons. I’d prefer cloth as number 1 choice, but our vegan leather is great.
@06younger
@06younger Жыл бұрын
This is the only review of the BYD Seal that commented on the Interior being cheap feeling and plasticy. Every........and I mean every reviewer has raved about the interior quality. From what I can see.......the VW was always going to be priced out of it and the only advantage the Tesla has is the charging network.........I'm in Ireland and the SuperCharger network is..........well It's not really Super at all. BYD Seal for me....all day, every day. The video was like watching a Tesla promo film. (sorry!!!!)
@GDM22
@GDM22 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I have a Tesla Model 3 and a BYD and I have to say the Tesla charging network in Western Australia is pretty underwhelming and generally more expensive as well.
@nayemkabir
@nayemkabir 3 күн бұрын
Me too. The seal absolutely tramples over the VW & Tesla. I think the video authors have discredited themselves a little with this video. Open your eyes lads.
@nayemkabir
@nayemkabir 3 күн бұрын
The Tesla interior looks like a noddy car.
@PhilA-mc6yk
@PhilA-mc6yk Жыл бұрын
As the ID7 is almost exactly the same size as a Tesla Model S, perhaps a fairer comparison would to have compared the ID7 as a much more cost effective competitor to the BMW i5 and Mercedes EQE (and Tesla Model S if it was available as RHD). My wife and I have both run fully electric cars since 2015 (Tesla Model S's/BMW i3's etc) so I accept that range anxiety is something in the dim and distant past for us, and that may not be the case for newer/potential BEV converts, but I wish for once that there would be a test on fully electric cars that didn't focus almost entirely efficiency and range. It seems the average UK annual mileage is under 10,000, so that's under 200 miles per week. Therefore one full charge per week in nearly every electric car on the market would be sufficient for most people, so clearly not everyone only drives long distances all the time, which is what these tests seem to be obsessed with. There are never any normal comparative group tests on petrol/diesel cars when the focus is on, and the winner is determined almost entirely, by the mpg. MPG and other running costs almost always come at the end of normal group tests, with performance/handling/comfort/practicality being 90% of the deciding factors in determining the winner. With electric car tests these seem to account for 10%.
@josephberrie9550
@josephberrie9550 Жыл бұрын
why do you have to be a CONVERT to just drive a bloody car you people are mental,, and all this peeing around with apps and all the other nonsense makes me laugh and when you connect all this doodah up you squeal with delight when it actually works,,,and it says only charge to 80% to save the battery so take 20% off its range automatically to get the true range???????????????????? no thanks I am not a convert
@andreat.5913
@andreat.5913 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for pointing this out.
@Notme-tq4xs
@Notme-tq4xs 11 ай бұрын
ID6 ? It won't sell.
@stefan_hh
@stefan_hh 11 ай бұрын
Great statement. I would like to add the cost check to this. No one will drive to a charging point he does not know and he has no information on the costs. Paying over 80p for charging is a waste of money and you can not compare it to the TESLA using only his sponsored network.
@alex_707
@alex_707 11 ай бұрын
Very good point
@johndoyle4723
@johndoyle4723 Жыл бұрын
I would go for the Seal looks very good, Tesla looks very bland and I would hate the lack of stalks, the VW also a bit bland and staid looking. Yes the supercharger network is a big plus, but 90% of my charging is at home and when I do use public charging I find it easy enough, so the Seal for me.
@tinbasha4131
@tinbasha4131 10 ай бұрын
A few problems with the BYD representation of the fact the cars are being charged to 80% being the lithium batteries but as the Byd are using their blade battery in the Seal giving it a real life larger range as it can charge to 100% everytime and not needed to be restricted to the same as the other cars in the test
@andrewfranklin7087
@andrewfranklin7087 10 ай бұрын
The Tesla Model 3 RW also uses BYD LFP batteries so can also be charged to 100% everytime.
@marcbungener1877
@marcbungener1877 Жыл бұрын
I do not understand how regulators are allowing the removal of the indicator as it is very difficult to use in a roundabout. Loads of them in my country unlike in the US.
@RaphaelJeger
@RaphaelJeger Жыл бұрын
have you actually tried it (for more than one roundabout) yourself? I have it since a few weeks and it took maybe 10 roundabouts to completely forget about it. And, if you still don't like it, there are retrofits available.
@marcbungener1877
@marcbungener1877 Жыл бұрын
@@RaphaelJeger excellent news ! Saddly the non availability of HUD on Tesla is a show stopper for. I had cars with HUD since 2005. (currently have a Jaguar i-Pace). I believe it even more important for EVs to be equipped with HUD as one can easily go over speed limit in town without noticing.
@RaphaelJeger
@RaphaelJeger Жыл бұрын
@@marcbungener1877 I drive Teslas since 2014 and the lack of a HUD has never been the reason for my tickets ;-) And if you want, you can activate visual and / or audible alerts when going over the limit, and you can decide the offset. And even for this, there are retrofits.
@newbris
@newbris 11 ай бұрын
@@RaphaelJegerI’ve read others say they stopped indicating when exiting roundabouts because of it. Confused.
@RaphaelJeger
@RaphaelJeger 11 ай бұрын
@@newbris possible, but also quite possibly a good excuse for people that didn't indicate in the first place
@oliveryb
@oliveryb Жыл бұрын
BYD seal interior is just OK? Wow, you have a very high standard!
@ismeto-j9y
@ismeto-j9y Жыл бұрын
but it looks like less space
@Spawn223311
@Spawn223311 Жыл бұрын
I don't even get that part of a car review anymore hahaha unless it's a very cheap car
@dzonikg
@dzonikg Жыл бұрын
Much better then tesla
@123silentassassin
@123silentassassin Жыл бұрын
That’s what I was thinking, they ripped the Seal to shreds but the people I know that have seen the Seal and new Model 3 prefer the Seal interior to the Model 3?
@ismeto-j9y
@ismeto-j9y Жыл бұрын
@@dzonikg no
@88Kigyo
@88Kigyo Жыл бұрын
ID.7 with/without heat pump? Does it have the new, more efficient engine or the regular 150 kW one? I think the ID.7 is a little more premium than the other cars shown here tbh
@bingobongo1615
@bingobongo1615 Жыл бұрын
The Id7 is absolutely in a different league. The suspension, size and interior makes it almost a rival to the I5 or EQE… comparing it to the model 3 is a bit senseless… I personally prefer the smaller limousine size like a 3 series, c-class, A4 or tesla model 3 since these cars tend to be more dynamic and fun but comparing them to larger limousines isnt really worthwhile / fair since larger limousines do focus on interior space and comfortable cruising
@Foersom_
@Foersom_ 11 ай бұрын
Yes ID7 has the new AP550 motor 210 kW, 545 Nm.
@Soulboy63
@Soulboy63 3 ай бұрын
Charging with Tesla is cheaper & quicker .. But , public chargers work out roughly Diesel £100 Charge on road £35 Charge at home £10 EV tariff. .7.5 kw
@pedrokatuniz8936
@pedrokatuniz8936 9 ай бұрын
To be honest it feels a little like a tesla commercial.
@BrZi38501
@BrZi38501 6 ай бұрын
To be objective they even took inferior tesla to make the test more interasting… its standard range model 3 not a long range… thus ID7 has almost 50% bigger battery and resaults are as they are… if test was done with long rang model 3 there weren’t even be a point in comparing this cars in such test becouse of tesla adventages like charging network and superior eficiency
@TheAllMightyGodofCod
@TheAllMightyGodofCod 5 ай бұрын
​@@BrZi38501that 50% more battery reflects on higher prices and lower energy efficiency as the car is more heavy. If you had compared similar battery sized cars, the results would be closer. Then you have the fact that they charged at a Tesla supercharger which is debatable.... And then, putting a Christmas tree. You do that once a year and it goes through with no problem. Now, try that again with a bicycle, a chest of drawers or mattress you buy at an IKEA and tell me if it was as simple as it appeared with the tree. Maybe then, you will realise how much you need a hatchback...
@PaleBlueDotCitizen
@PaleBlueDotCitizen 3 ай бұрын
Well any EV comparison will as Teslas are head and shoulders above all the others
@TheAllMightyGodofCod
@TheAllMightyGodofCod 3 ай бұрын
@@PaleBlueDotCitizen they are? In which regard specifically? Thanks.
@jabulaniharvey
@jabulaniharvey Жыл бұрын
22:18 mic-drop from Tesla on costs....using roughly 62% of the (cheaper-to-buy) BYDs trip money and a (scandalous-for-VW) 53% of the id 7s trip money despite the similar purchase outlay.....no-brainer: Tesla for the win.
@shepherdsknoll
@shepherdsknoll Жыл бұрын
One aspect these tests are always overlooking ; is the EV a proprietary, fully integrated vehicle ? Do all of the EVs components communicate through a central computer to create a seamless experience ? To BYD’s credit , it is a partially integrated EV, the VW - not even close, the Tesla you can give voice commands to about half its functions, receive software updates OTA, and control many abilities on your phone app. , it is simply in its own league.
@Peter-vn8ue
@Peter-vn8ue Жыл бұрын
BYD vehicles have voice control functionality, OTA as well as its own BYD vehicle app for the vehicle. Let's not forget Apple carplay and Android auto, too, as well as the vehicle to load capability
@shepherdsknoll
@shepherdsknoll Жыл бұрын
@@Peter-vn8ue , but how many components come from outsourced suppliers that write their own software ?
@geoffsemon7411
@geoffsemon7411 Жыл бұрын
@@shepherdsknoll BYD is even more vertically integrated than Tesla as they make their own chips etc. We have an Atto 3 and although overall it's a great car and we're happy with it, the voice control is a bit hit and miss, especially in regard to navigation
@wkzj-po8on
@wkzj-po8on Жыл бұрын
In China, BYD's intelligent system is not the best, the best car intelligent system is Huawei's car, such as Changan cooperation avatr
@GDM22
@GDM22 Жыл бұрын
@@geoffsemon7411 Agreed, they own 1/6 of the lithium mines in the world.
@sr20trx
@sr20trx Жыл бұрын
I have had a Telsa M3 LR in Australia for over 2 years now and love it, my main requirement above all else when buying an EV back then as it still would be today is NO FAFFING ABOUT. Idc if the screen rotates in the BYD i just want the easiest EV experience possible and for roadtrips thats Telsa end of story. I wouldn't even buy an EV if i could not charge at home which seems to be an issue for you there in the UK with terraced houses.
@icosthop9998
@icosthop9998 Жыл бұрын
Lots of fog and crappy weather. This island can truly *SUCK* 😢
@icosthop9998
@icosthop9998 Жыл бұрын
Your *sUn* 🌞 and weather conditions there are perfect for solar panels 👌
@sr20trx
@sr20trx Жыл бұрын
@icosthop9998 it is, I have had 6kw solar since 2010 still pumps out 4.5kw and I charge exclusively with that. Still people in Australia complain EVs are no good because our country is to big, ignoring the fact no one really travels any further than they would in the UK, and if they do regularly well don't buy an EV.
@tysonfinn1470
@tysonfinn1470 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, its weird how so many people lack the ability to think for them selfs ​@sr20trx
@icosthop9998
@icosthop9998 Жыл бұрын
UK is considered an Island. The once *Mighty GREAT BRiTAIN* is no more. The only comfort is that everything is going downhill all over the world. I don't know why, but i'm glad the BYD did not "Clean House". The Tesla SUPER chargers gives Tesla another nice edge in The World of EV. Even though they charge other car companies more than they do their own for using Tesla Chargers. The Tesla chargers still undercut the other charging companies prices, and it was very easy to download the Tesla app.
@michielshub
@michielshub Жыл бұрын
19.10 this is what’s hurting EV acceptance. Charge points not working, demanding cumbersome payment methods with stupid apps etc etc. Why does it need to be so difficult anno 2023. Just charge and pay with your bank card/phone and forget all the marketing BS of gathering data etc.
@sargfowler9603
@sargfowler9603 Жыл бұрын
Imagine how Italians must feel with their network of petrol stations that only accept brand cards.
@FirstLast-rh9jw
@FirstLast-rh9jw Жыл бұрын
Also being massively overpriced, subject to catastrophic depreciation, battery degradation, unreliability, higher insurance etc etc.
@davidmenasco5743
@davidmenasco5743 Жыл бұрын
​@@FirstLast-rh9jwThanks for the FUD, but no thanks.
@MiddleClasshole77
@MiddleClasshole77 10 ай бұрын
​@@davidmenasco5743only low IQ stock "traders" call everything they don't want to hear FUD
@FGGiskard
@FGGiskard 10 ай бұрын
@@sargfowler9603 is that for real? Where?
@Aamirmhmd99
@Aamirmhmd99 Жыл бұрын
The BYD seal provides biggest bang for your buck. Looks damn good from the outside and i am a big fan of both the screens inside.
@bobteerlinck637
@bobteerlinck637 Жыл бұрын
more expensive and worse in every aspect as a model 3?
@martinmoeller123
@martinmoeller123 Жыл бұрын
​@@bobteerlinck637 Tesla cant even assemble a car properly.. most Tesla headlights are blinding on coming Trafic, unless you adjust the headlights after each update , known faults like this is only accepted by Tesla fan boys like your self..
@ateiviz
@ateiviz Жыл бұрын
​@@bobteerlinck637take a nap and watch the video again bro, each car here has its pros and cons, VW with mostly conns 😂
@spacebound1969
@spacebound1969 Жыл бұрын
​@@martinmoeller123 Keep crying. The tesla crushed both competitors in this test and it wasnt even close
@martinmoeller123
@martinmoeller123 Жыл бұрын
​@@spacebound1969 I doubt you are even old enough to have a licens...
@Ritalie
@Ritalie Жыл бұрын
0:30. That view of the Tesla, has to be one of the most beautiful cars ever made. The badges, the tail lights, the body lines, the proportions, the spacing between the letters. It's one of the most stunning cars on the road. It looks like a $250,000 car. Meanwhile Chevy cars are still using the horrendous "bow tie" box logo, painted gold, 3 sizes too large, made from brittle plastic.
@stevenanderson9660
@stevenanderson9660 11 ай бұрын
Completely agree, I can’t wait to get my Tesla
@paul._david
@paul._david Жыл бұрын
With the added benefit of Tesla superchargers... Tesla is unbeatable. Crazy the new model 3 is the cheapest car as well.
@alex135789
@alex135789 Жыл бұрын
Tesla is the Best, cheapest, most efficient, safest EV to buy on the market.
@ismeto-j9y
@ismeto-j9y Жыл бұрын
if it is a hatchback car it would be the best (probably next model 3 gen will be a hatchback %100 )
@revaddict
@revaddict Жыл бұрын
​@@ismeto-j9yErm, you have the Model Y for that..
@josefv-y8m
@josefv-y8m Жыл бұрын
Indeed the cheapest with missing... Radar Parking Sensor Matrix LED Headup Rain Sensor... Vision Only is not working Android Auto, Capacitive steering wheel etc. ... And I could name at least 15 Things missing in a Tesla, which you could not buy even if you would like to spent the money. If the ID7 would be that poor featured...Business Customers would kill VW...and if it would exist, it would be similar priced to the poor Tesla
@IceW4ve
@IceW4ve 10 ай бұрын
@@josefv-y8m Radar... humans also don't have a radar and it works pretty well with 2 eyes. So I think the vision only solution technically can work in the future. BTW even with vision only, the Tesla's Autopilot is 100x better than BYD seals system. Parking sensor... Tesla is developing a virtual projection of the world around the car (essentially mapping the world to use that info then in other Teslas for fully autonomous driving in the future). Yes that fully integrated system is some time away but I think is the right approach for future proofing a vehicle/a fleet of vehicles. Can see that some customers though buy a car for the here and now. Matrix LED... well, every Tesla Model 3 and Y just got it overnight via software update - so did not age well ;) FOR FREE too. Headup... personal preference, but Teslas design does not account for that. Tesla wants unimpeded driving view/focus. If you want one, then unfortunately you have to look elsewhere. Can't see the HUD with polarized glasses anyways and adds cost to vehicle manufacture. I think entry level BYD also does not have it. Rain Sensor... got miles better with some updates in the last month or so. Also rain sensor in some other car companies also don't work 100% accurately Android Auto... don't need that as Teslas infotainment is miles better, has Google maps and other Apps like Spotify, Apple Music, Podcasts.. integrated natively Capacitive steering wheel... don't know what that would be useful for and I think BYD also does not have that So, personally I can very well live without a headup display, Android Auto and capacitive steering wheel, and am happy that the price of the Tesla is the lowest one of the bunch too!
@chrisrussell418
@chrisrussell418 Жыл бұрын
Great video, although the id7 is out of place as its not only a bigger car (too big for my driving and roads) but far too expensive at 15k more than the Tesla. Problem I have is driving for nearly 50years there is no way I could live without the indicator stalk. On one of my regular 20 mile drives there are 10 big roundabouts (not mini) where your hands will be crossed when indicating for your exit. I suspect Tesla owners will not bother to indicate most of the time and just hope the rest of us give them enough room. Should never have been given type approval!
@neuromancer777
@neuromancer777 Жыл бұрын
So imagine they would have compared to a model S. It would have sucked even more.
@StormyDog
@StormyDog Жыл бұрын
If you have to have it you can buy an inexpensive aftermarket add on stalk. Try getting used to the new system 1st though.
@RaphaelJeger
@RaphaelJeger Жыл бұрын
just go and try it yourself. It's in fact super easy - you only every blink in one direction to exit a roundabout, which is simply the lower key when the yoke / wheel is turned 180 degrees. And you can feel the button cleary thanks to a small "bump".
@p4skal0
@p4skal0 11 ай бұрын
In my country (Germany) the difference between the ID.7 is even smaller. A full spec Model 3 RWD is ~51k€ (7,5k extras), while a nearly full ID7 is 60k€ (8k extras). When talking leasing, the ID.7 is 200€/month cheaper (at the OEM bank) [700 to 500]. Another really big factor is the discount that a local VW dealer can give you. In the end, I think it's fair to say, that the ID7 and the Model 3 RWD is comparable in terms of price and therefore, this video deserves its place. Comparing the ID7 to an EQE, Model S or similar would be totally unfair, since these cars cost way more with a bit of extras (and are also way better).
@rhett7716
@rhett7716 8 ай бұрын
No indicator stalk and no infront speedo and no off screen gearshift means a big fat NO !!
@LEA82345
@LEA82345 Жыл бұрын
In Europe VW can use Ionity, which is cheaper than Tesla SC ID 7 is much bigger and more luxorious car than BYD Seal and Model 3. These guys were very biased and did not mention anything about the advantages ID7 has. Model 3 does not have even proper rain sensors and rides like a Trabant.
@Foersom_
@Foersom_ 9 ай бұрын
Indeed, ID7 RWD motor has more torque (545 Nm) than even Tesla 3 LR with dual motors (493 Nm).
@andrebecker7350
@andrebecker7350 Жыл бұрын
I've got the Model 3 around 4 weeks ago (Disclaimer, I'm not a Tesla fanboy). I can confirm all of the findings in this great video (good job guys). Regarding the indicator and wiper stick... I was very sceptical at first but after a couple of drives I actually prefer it now, since you can leave your hand on the wheel and simply press a button. And regarding roundabouts, the first ones are not working well, but after a couple of roundabouts it's no big deal anymore. Every new system demands some practice, this is one example of this. On the flip side, the wiper-automatic is beyond words and works extremely bad. It freaks out when a drop of rain hits the sensor (and yes, I cleaned it thoroughly,...). I leave it off now. Also got heaps of camera errors when the weather is wet-ish (camera obstructed, ...). Parking sensors are also crap, but I was happy to see the new 3D reconstruction update today, this solved this problem. Overall, really really good car.
@BrunoAlves-xl6eo
@BrunoAlves-xl6eo Жыл бұрын
BYD of course! Just look to the amazing sport car, inside and exterior quality! There is no comparison to Tesla or VW! Talking about plastics.... yes if you are a Tesla owner! BYD SEAL 4WD 3.8S will be my choice in the near future. Great car!
@Astke
@Astke Жыл бұрын
1 question: did the ID7 have a Heat pump fitted? It feels like it did not.
@Beannie654
@Beannie654 Жыл бұрын
The results of this video seem incredibly suspicious to me. We have an id3 with the 77kwh battery without a heat pump and it achieves more range than what is presented here. The id7 has a better drag coefficient and has the new more efficient motor so should be achieving much greater results.
@Arpedk
@Arpedk Жыл бұрын
@@Beannie654 ID.7 is 2,2 tons. In city driving this will affect it a lot.
@Alberto-mq7gw
@Alberto-mq7gw Жыл бұрын
​@@Beannie654I don't see a reason to doubt their credibility but I do find them disappointing. VW still so far behind in price and range is a big warning for the European auto industry.
@abraxastulammo9940
@abraxastulammo9940 Жыл бұрын
​@@Alberto-mq7gwAutobahn car should be compared to EQE and i5
@ralfulrich6254
@ralfulrich6254 9 ай бұрын
@@Alberto-mq7gw but actually it is not. Hence the suspicion.
@danielkierannevin9081
@danielkierannevin9081 Жыл бұрын
Any reason you didnt go with the BYD Seal Performance? Comparable range or price point?
@Ewoodster
@Ewoodster Жыл бұрын
Did the ID.7 have the heat pump fitted? I guess not. If it did, the results were quite disappointing.
@Objectivity_Matters
@Objectivity_Matters Жыл бұрын
Very likely not. It appears quite biased to me that they condemn the ID.7 so hard for its efficiency even though things would look dramatically different with heat pump - an option that most buyers will definitely get.
@adamcole4808
@adamcole4808 Жыл бұрын
But at £55k not having a HP is unforgivable from VW.@@Objectivity_Matters
@TheVorst
@TheVorst 9 ай бұрын
These guys tested this in a different KZbin and tested the VW both with and without heat pump and the difference was minimum and they concluded they said it didn't justify the price difference. @@adamcole4808
@axelrolle8150
@axelrolle8150 Жыл бұрын
OMG - tested cars and forgot half of the features that make a big difference: lights, self driving assistant, parking assistant, camera systems, seats .... what a weak test!
@Foersom_
@Foersom_ 9 ай бұрын
Indeed. ID7 has augmented reality HUD, much nicer rear seat with decent sitting height.
@gooldii1
@gooldii1 Ай бұрын
And the Vw has a very! bad Software, Updates nearly ZERO, and its Consumption is high, Power is DOWN, Vw doesnt WANT to go BEV! Actually, we see the results! Vw, Audi is going dooooown! @@Foersom_
@elinys2843
@elinys2843 11 ай бұрын
I don’t get these EV tests. Let’s take them on a completely unrealistic road trip of multiple times the range they can do to highlight everything all petrol heads use to convince themselves EVs are no good. 1. ‘Limited’ range, so there’s a slight problem 2 times a year when you want to go on a far away holiday. 2. Public charging takes longer then filling up the gas tank. 3. Public charging is not that cheap. 4. They’re expensive to buy. We’re driving a Seat Mii Electric for 4 years now. We bought it for € 17k. Reminder: thats electric. It’s smaller then our previous car but not too small to get our weekly groceries. We have charged it only at home with a normal wall plug outside in front of our house. Only once somewhere else, overnight, at our holiday destination. No hassle , no waiting, no worries there. In summer, that’s 75% free electricity because we have solar panels and a home battery. The rest of our electricity is also green. Once a year it has to be hooked up to a computer at a Seat garage …. for no real reason. No oil change, no service parts. In short, it does what it has to do for 1/3 of the cost (fuel and maintenance) in use with absolutely no drawbacks compared to our previous car 99% of the time. And did i mention already it’s silent and produces no exhaust gasses while driving? And I think, this would be the conclusion for most families. Your next car should be 100% electric. If you’re not ready for an EV, keep driving your current car and do not buy a new ICE car. Prices will come down.
@mpfoertner3506
@mpfoertner3506 Жыл бұрын
I have a very hard time believing those ID7 efficiency numbers, our ID5 gets around 2.9-3.2 mi/kwh when driving on the motorway at ~70mph. And that‘s with the old, supposedly much less efficient powertrain. Being more aerodynamic, I would expect the ID7 to get at least 3.1-3.3 mi/kwh…
@lapin46
@lapin46 Жыл бұрын
simple, they numbers come from the chargers and includes the charging losses. The car’s display shows the car’s consumption without the charge losses.
@TB-up4xi
@TB-up4xi Жыл бұрын
In good weather a model 3 is incredibly efficient - I have a lifetime efficiency of 5.6mi per kwh and get 6.6mi per kwh in good weather - I have a separate meter for the Tesla at home so I know that my full efficiency is 92.7% of the screen usage so all charging and idle losses included that's 5.2 miles per kwh lifetime and 6.1miles per kwh in good weather - fully accounted for as taken from the wall to the car.
@BeX32210
@BeX32210 Жыл бұрын
The answer is: They say that it's the "launch edition" (looks like it's something for the UK) which comes without a heat pump. Especially in winter conditions, having none is a big issue. My MJ2020 Model 3 AWD had no heat pump and the efficiency in winter (or even in colder spring/fall temperatures) was quite similar to the ID.7 in this video.
@Chilternflyer
@Chilternflyer Жыл бұрын
This was filimed in december(ish). The temperature has a lot to do with the efficiency. I get 3.4M/KWH out of my Audi Q4 (same as an ID5) on the motorway in the warmer weather. I suspect it will be be nearer 2.8 in the winter cold tomorrow.
@hayashishark7378
@hayashishark7378 Жыл бұрын
They aren’t experienced wit EVs and clearly messed something with the heat management. They even got better consumption in the real world which should have indicated they made a mistake. There are reliable real world tests done with lower consumption at even higher 80-85mph speeds.
@Brewtal2009
@Brewtal2009 Жыл бұрын
great review. So morale of the story is that use a tank of fuel for £60 or get a tesla. Those charging costs for VW and BYD are disturbing
@LouDeVere
@LouDeVere Жыл бұрын
Here in Western Australia we're lucky as we never use DC charging always charging at home Super Off Peak and paying 8c/kWHr on AC. This is also offset by solar when sunny so really, it costs virtually nothing for us to charge. If we did have to go on a long trip and use DC charging, I think it's around 60c/kWHr.
@alex135789
@alex135789 Жыл бұрын
Yup. Just buy a Tesla.
@paxmaniac1
@paxmaniac1 Жыл бұрын
Not really, as most EV users very rarely need to use public chargers if they have somewhere to charge at home.
@guilopes007
@guilopes007 Жыл бұрын
Only 10% of EVs consumers recharges out of home.
@mackan7086
@mackan7086 Жыл бұрын
There are so many more important parameters than public charger cost since I would charge at home like 99% of the time.
@salvatoremarinelli1969
@salvatoremarinelli1969 Жыл бұрын
Yes the Seal has a larger range...but it also has a bigger battery than the Tesla. So not terribly surprising. How it uses the available energy is the key, i.e. the efficiency. Also the super charger network is plentiful, fast and ultra reliable. So actually for me Tesla wins in every category
@dlokcn1
@dlokcn1 Жыл бұрын
not reallly. Winter shortfall Seal 23% Model3 33%😛
@ciybersal3499
@ciybersal3499 Жыл бұрын
No Stalks, no heads up, no V2L , no fire proof battery. Seal is the deal
@simoncove1
@simoncove1 Жыл бұрын
@@dlokcn1yeah but overall efficiency is 3.3 byd vs 3.7 in the Tesla
@NormanGaming196
@NormanGaming196 Жыл бұрын
If they had the long range model 3 with aero wheels this would have been a joke lmao. It costs the same amount as the seal and gets 100 more miles.
@06younger
@06younger Жыл бұрын
@@dlokcn1 yep.....that was on screen alright but completely ignored. It was a Tesla promotional video.
@Ekuahx
@Ekuahx 11 ай бұрын
Considering the model 3s interior as the best of these 3 is just bonkers.
@FarhoodEnsan
@FarhoodEnsan 11 ай бұрын
So relatable, so logical and sensible. Everything said and shown was unbiased and practical. Hopefully one day this test will be repeated with a Long Range Model 3 which would be closer to the other 2 in terms of price as well. Great job you guys!
@SilverfoxThe
@SilverfoxThe Жыл бұрын
Good video & thanks. Clearly the Tesla is the RWD version. It'd be interesting to see the BYD against the Dual Motor version in the future. The prices would be similar too (I think)
@bernhardleopold6702
@bernhardleopold6702 Жыл бұрын
The Tesla Dual Motor has 70 miles more range than the RWD (due to the bigger battery, but only 65 kg more weight) while the Seal AWD has 30 miles less range than the RWD (same battery, 130 kg more weight, less efficiency). So, if you don't care about the crazy power, the RWD Seal is probably the better choice.
@SilverfoxThe
@SilverfoxThe Жыл бұрын
On paper, that’s all true. I was more wondering about journey times which would need to include charging. The RWD Tesla is faster charging than the AWD version. Would it be faster than the BYD with its longer range, or not?
@reneh.8817
@reneh.8817 Жыл бұрын
@@SilverfoxThe The RWD Model 3 needs a few minutes less for the same SOC%, but the LR AWD puts more energy over the same time due to higher power level.
@davidmenasco5743
@davidmenasco5743 Жыл бұрын
​@@SilverfoxTheFor a good comparison of total trip times, see Bjørn Nyland's 1,000 km Challenge. He has tested several versions of Model 3 (the road trip champion). I don't know if he has tested the Seal yet, but I'm sure he will. He's based in Norway and has tested just about every EV being sold in Europe including several Chinese made cars. In each video, at the end of the trip just after the countdown, he shows a portion of his spreadsheet where you can see several models compared. In my estimation, it's the most valuable EV evaluation resource on the Internet.
@iaintdonknow
@iaintdonknow Жыл бұрын
​@@davidmenasco5743 I know that engineers working at those manufactures are also really interested in his videoa
@LouDeVere
@LouDeVere Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review guys. Maybe the car that will knock the M3 off the top position will be the MY Juniper version out mid to late next year. This is what I'm waiting for.
@Paul-pj5qu
@Paul-pj5qu Жыл бұрын
I think the VW is the best looking of the three.
@AllcarsPOVreview
@AllcarsPOVreview 11 ай бұрын
By far
@naismith1214
@naismith1214 10 ай бұрын
Surely the VW is in a completely different category.. Model Y LR would be the Tesla equivalent.
@Foersom_
@Foersom_ 9 ай бұрын
No, VW ID7 is same size as Tesla S.
@robsawalker
@robsawalker Жыл бұрын
Those electric costs are shocking. I have just calculated my 330e doing a similar mileage (600 miles) costs me about £38 in petrol and electricity, based on my actual driving in November, which meant all my journeys were over 100 miles. The opportunism of electric charging companies to rip us off has already started and you know it will only be going one way. The old "Electric cars will cost virtually nothing to run" canard is well and truly dead even before mass adoption. Will the government regulate electric car charging station costs? Hmmmm Also, Tesla - indicator buttons one above the other on the steering wheel? Are you completely batshit insane?!
@wilsjane
@wilsjane 7 ай бұрын
It certainly shocked me. Tesla £59.....BYD £94..... VW £111 Working from figures on similar journeys, my TDI Golf would have cost £58. Electricity is cheaper, LOL Obviously half the cost is lugging the battery around. I have always thought that electric propulsion with a SMALL battery, charged by an alternator driven by a 1.6 TDI running governed to the peak of the torque curve (around 1,500 rpm) would be the answer. A battery range of 30 miles would be adequate for all except long motorway journeys. Changes in the current law would be required, allowing the engine to be left running while the vehicle was parked out of town and in designated areas. With modern technology, theft protection would be on the motor. This is how diesel electric trains work and the MPG is unbelievable.
@GeorgeShanks-xk7ov
@GeorgeShanks-xk7ov 3 ай бұрын
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@dazzassti
@dazzassti 11 ай бұрын
Great vid, here's a comparison I did almost exactly the same mileage in my old Volvo XC60 2.4 diesel, 559 miles for work to Scotland and back... cost me £71 @£1.40pl
@siamparagon9250
@siamparagon9250 Жыл бұрын
Here in Bangkok I see many BYD cars and Tesla Model 3 and Model Y. Tough call. Love the BYD especially the 3.8s model. Great looks. Saw the new Model 3 Highland and it is just much better looking in the metal.. Model 3 for me.
@nak8327
@nak8327 11 ай бұрын
Tesla is pure Garbage here in California. Volkswagen will soon take a share of the market with a high quality precisely engineered suspension with much better ride quality then Tesla which many feel is a cheap product.
@maxone007
@maxone007 3 ай бұрын
In Ireland, Sep 2024, driving VW Passat 2.0 TDI for 560 miles cost me €95. VW iD7 - 111GBP = €136. What is the logic behind buying an electric car for a more expensive journey and having a charging anxiety with broken infrastructure?
@moahmed07
@moahmed07 28 күн бұрын
Why did the id7 cost so much more?! Is it where you were charging perhaps?
@Alex-pr6zv
@Alex-pr6zv 10 ай бұрын
My wife, who has this unfuriating appetite for risk when it comes to refuelling - you know the type, whose sure "we can make it to next motorway services" - would absolutely love the range anxiety aspect of EVs . I couldn't deal with 1% predicted remaining range to the next supercharger.
@Sidewinder1009oli
@Sidewinder1009oli Жыл бұрын
I would say that anyone who owns an EV and plans to drive it would be far better off on an EV tariff with overnight rate of 7.5p/kWh. Also would have been great to see the Model 3 with the aero wheels, as it make a real difference, especially motorway driving
@Nickbaldeagle02
@Nickbaldeagle02 Жыл бұрын
Or have an employer with free 400V chargers in the staff car park.
@MILKYBAR1969
@MILKYBAR1969 Жыл бұрын
Why do you only work 1 hour a day? 😂​@@Nickbaldeagle02
@paulbrowne6087
@paulbrowne6087 Жыл бұрын
I'm on the 7.5p rate. Even though I've v4 superchargers 5 miles from my house and lifetime free supercharging the cost of home charging is so insignificant I drive by the free superchargers every time.
@MarcusGarveysGhost
@MarcusGarveysGhost Жыл бұрын
⁠@@paulbrowne6087Probably better for the longevity of your batteries too when you’re not constantly using a supercharger, although again some claim it’s a non-issue with Teslas due to its superior battery chemistry. I would rather not take the chance.
@johnnyforeigner11
@johnnyforeigner11 Жыл бұрын
As well as being the most expensive, VW are losing money on every EV they sell. They won't survive the decade.
@philipptielmann
@philipptielmann Жыл бұрын
i think id 7 had something wrong. i’ve seen quite a few tests where it came out as very efficient…
@casperhansen826
@casperhansen826 Жыл бұрын
Temperature differences make a lot of difference
@philipptielmann
@philipptielmann Жыл бұрын
@@casperhansen826 yes, but the conditions were always the same for all cars. heat pump system in ID cars is quite good (but not sure if the test car had it in this video) and overall with the low coefficient of drag and the really good new drive system I cannot imagine it’s really that far behind …
@Objectivity_Matters
@Objectivity_Matters Жыл бұрын
They tested the ID.7 without the (cheap) heat pump option - the results would have looked very different if they had included this option that most buyers will get. In other words, this review is pointness.
@88Kigyo
@88Kigyo Жыл бұрын
No heat pump fitted in this car I suppose. If true, this real life test is a little biased
@PieterH
@PieterH 6 ай бұрын
@@Objectivity_Matters I'm not so sure most buyers will get the heat pump. It highly depends on your location and your driving routine if it's actually worth it. I don't do a lot of long trips in the winter and where I live, there are maybe 5 days a year where it actually gets below freezing point during the day, so I decided not to buy the additional heat pump.
@JZainbear
@JZainbear Жыл бұрын
They put a screen in the back of the Tesla that most will probably never use and left out the instrument cluster. Lets make sense of this?
@DreamsCascade
@DreamsCascade Жыл бұрын
one thing people forget about tesla is the reserve battery percentage. even if you reach 1% you don’t need to panic because you still have plenty to get to a charger. i drove another 11 miles on 0% in my 2021 model 3.
@jerehada
@jerehada Жыл бұрын
On my company scheme the Tesla is more than £200 more a month than the BYD. The Skoda equivalents are also similar priced. Also no mention that the Tesla has no CarPlay or I missed it.
@m.a3914
@m.a3914 9 ай бұрын
CarPlay is not needed in a Tesla as it doesn't provide any value to the overall UI experience
@Astke
@Astke Жыл бұрын
Supercharger network is open to other in many areas so it is not a huge deal
@ianjames3078
@ianjames3078 Жыл бұрын
Not so much in the UK. Only 10%
@Astke
@Astke Жыл бұрын
@@ianjames3078 i guess this is a UK channel. But look at the official SC map from Tesla and you can see that the SC network is not a huge boon anymore here in mainland Europe. At least not so much that it always makes Tesla "win".
@minnguyen4872
@minnguyen4872 Жыл бұрын
tesla just not open fast than you think ...😅 like 10 spots just open 1 spot for non tesla
@minnguyen4872
@minnguyen4872 Жыл бұрын
tesla have to put non tesla rare spot or not enough so other will know different ...if tesla dont open then others car company will slow down evs they dont sell much then shut down or make less ...just like u put 10 ip vs 3 nokia the same spot..
@TheVorst
@TheVorst 9 ай бұрын
The Tesla NAV system integration with the superchargers networks, makes it so seamless. It takes away the stress of finding a charger for long trips. Tesla can also using the other EV chargers, but then you need an app, it give an headache to deal with this, where to stop, how long to stop. etc.
@nicolebradley3959
@nicolebradley3959 Жыл бұрын
As well in the United States accepting non teslas too, I have a model 3 for two months and I love it ❤😅
@paxmaniac1
@paxmaniac1 Жыл бұрын
Pricing in different markets is kind of strange. The base model Seal in Australia is $14000 cheaper than the Tesla.
@sobanoodlez9372
@sobanoodlez9372 Жыл бұрын
Here, Tesla is also more expensive than BYD... warranty and servicing costs are also to be considered amongst others
@yifuwu3261
@yifuwu3261 Жыл бұрын
The model they tested is actually the premium versionin in Australia, which stars from 58000AUD but still cheaper than model 3
@paxmaniac1
@paxmaniac1 Жыл бұрын
@@yifuwu3261 yes, that's right. The Dynamic is a very good value product and it's strange that they are not matching that in other markets.
@yifuwu3261
@yifuwu3261 Жыл бұрын
@@paxmaniac1 maybe the transportation cost and tariffs in Europe is higher?
@paxmaniac1
@paxmaniac1 Жыл бұрын
@@yifuwu3261 Yes, I guess so. Tesla has manufacturing in Europe and BYD doesn't.
@AL-WBS
@AL-WBS 11 ай бұрын
6:37 so how long did the Tesla take?
@dvwatts
@dvwatts Жыл бұрын
Can you please compare the app differences? I recently bought a Ford Lightning and still own a Model 3. I found the differences in app features shocking. The Ford can’t even tell me if the car is locked or set the car temperature, only turn the car on. The Tesla can tell you the state of the locks, windows, cabin temp, outside temp, you can turn the ac/heat on, set the temperature, turn the seat warmers on, view all the car’s cameras and set the car’s charge limit. If someone is driving you can see the location and speed they are driving. The app features should be a major review item.
@jhmoy07
@jhmoy07 Жыл бұрын
Feels like much of this video was comparing charging networks, not cars. Charging networks will evolve with time. In Australia the Seal Premium is cheaper than the Model 3, and many of us charge primarily in our driveway or garage, so the Seal is more competitive unless you are constantly driving between cities.
@_seola_
@_seola_ 11 ай бұрын
The new model 3, basically, almost everything is done on the touch screen, that's just a big NO to me, even watching the speed on that screen was bad already! No hard feelings to Testa lovers :), just a personal opinion!
@kenyajohnson3171
@kenyajohnson3171 Жыл бұрын
Two things. The id7 is really too big to be compared to the Model 3. Its in a different size category. So you can’t just say the Model 3 has a price advantage. Also I can’t believe they actually said that they would prefer the model 3 interior over the other two cars. The model 3 interior looks straight spartan as there is nothing in it to look at whatsoever and it still looks dirt cheap to me. Visually they did not even try to make it good to look at and it’s obvious. I haven’t been inside the id7 and the byd seal but you’d have to be doing pretty darn bad for Tesla to have a high enough quality interior comparable to almost all other EV’s or any car at that price and size for that matter. But idk I haven’t been in the face lifted one but others are saying it’s only a little bit better.
@jtiberius8631
@jtiberius8631 Жыл бұрын
My first trip to the UK in 8 years was in November 2023 and I now fully understand why so many Brits I know think EVs will never last and that there are too many problems. The charging network there is a disgrace. I travel a lot around the world and when countries Brits often make fun of, such as Mexico, have far better and more reliable EV charging networks than the UK, then I think it becomes high time the companies operating in the UK really took a long, hard, look in the mirror. This level of incompetence when supplying basic infrastructure services is absolutely alarming and it actually helps me understand why any sort of infrastructure project in the UK always fails disastrously. It's not as if the public don't actually, genuinely, want all of those services. The demand is really visibly there. But the companies are completely incompetent to organize anything.
@adedayoadeyemo6148
@adedayoadeyemo6148 4 ай бұрын
Perhaps the govt also needs to do a lot more to encourage the companies.
@jtiberius8631
@jtiberius8631 4 ай бұрын
@@adedayoadeyemo6148 The companies lobby the government to allow them to remain ineffective. This is easier to do when the government itself is visibly incompetent as it sails from scandal to scandal.
@lo0mix
@lo0mix Жыл бұрын
Totally biased "comparison". Even looked like you picked numbers from the board computer of the car which is totally wrong on Tesla. My Model 3 showed 28 % less than consumed with charging losses on only standard charging with 11 kW over 2 years. You totally miss to compare important features for real life driving. The parking aid? The automatic windshield wiper? The head lights? Also you should measure cabin temperature and not just set the control to 21 °C. This setting would have been cold in my Model 3 SR+ with heat pump. It barely got up to 17 °C. Good wa, to save energy.. Bad for comparing. Have you tried to figure out where the high consumption of the ID7 comes from?
@mrmartin2079
@mrmartin2079 11 ай бұрын
All that faffing about trying to add charge to your low battery on the way back ,having to drive miles and miles out of your way to find a charger etc - for me that’s just nonsense
@usmankhalid9438
@usmankhalid9438 Жыл бұрын
BYD is beautiful
@nas4apps
@nas4apps 11 ай бұрын
VW ID.7 is clearly the larger car - especially rear seating, fairly roomy. Just a larger car.
@brian.z6592
@brian.z6592 Жыл бұрын
Really like the dynamic look of the Seal, and its luxury, fine materials and solid interior. The VW design is really boring. Tesla's new design seems pushing the "cost-down maximum" concept further by taking more physical buttons away, not a big fan og that concept, so I'm going for the Seal.
@AlexMeinzer
@AlexMeinzer Жыл бұрын
3 Tesla Fan Boys 😂comparing apples and oranges > final conclusion: apple has more advantages than the orange without considering all other issues (ID7 much bigger, without HEAT PUMP in the winter!!! for 1k, tesla has no parking sensors, terrible rain automatic, no HUD, worse assistants, no traffic sign recognition, what about weight?, tires? + there is much more to say) ... my prof would say BAD GRADE
@tesla-spectre
@tesla-spectre Жыл бұрын
Somehow I do not understand the Model 3 result. Considering the price and official WLTP of 384 miles, we are talking the Long Range which is the correct competitor. BUT you claim at 3.7mi/kWh it would have just above 212 miles range. That seems quite wrong. 3.7mi/kWh means with usable 75kWh you have 3.7 mi/kWh x 75 kWh = 270miles real world range and with the 78.8 kWh full capacity means 3.7mi/kWh x78.8 kWh = 290miles range.
@jech8964
@jech8964 Жыл бұрын
45k for a byd seal in uk...which the top-trim level Seal is only 27k in china
@gregb1599
@gregb1599 Жыл бұрын
BYD, like all Chinese EV, have very large EV incentives.
@michaeljiang960
@michaeljiang960 Жыл бұрын
And EU still accusing China of dumping cheap evs
@pindot787
@pindot787 Жыл бұрын
There are huge incentives from the government in China for their own EV. there are reasons why BYD didnt have a factory in north america, because without gov incentives their EV price wont be as competitive.
@alex135789
@alex135789 Жыл бұрын
Chinese are smart. Price gouging for the stupid Westerners.
@lvi3818
@lvi3818 Жыл бұрын
That's the same for most manufacturers including Tesla. A model S in the US starts at 75k dollars without incentives. In Netherlands it's 95k Euros or 104k American dollars
@Whatshisname346
@Whatshisname346 Жыл бұрын
The lack of regulation of the British charging network is insane. Imagine having a network of fuel stations with such hugely divergent types, prices and quality of fuel, some which may work in your car, some which you can and can't pay for. Why? It's only electricity, it's already there in the bloomin' network. It's a sign of a government totally resistant to any sort of regulation meaning EVs will remain a niche product unnecessarily.
@yscol1313
@yscol1313 Жыл бұрын
In what way could additional regulation solve any of the problems in the video?
@Muppetkeeper
@Muppetkeeper Жыл бұрын
Did you miss the regulations that any charging company that recieves any government money HAS TO provide payment via credit card and CCS2 charging?
@Whatshisname346
@Whatshisname346 Жыл бұрын
@@yscol1313 Regulation could mandate consistency in charging speeds, consistency in pricing, allocate basic levels of service/maintenance. The problems these guys are having relate to chargers not working, chargers having wildly varying pricing structures, charging speeds being all over the place, located in random places rather than being at or near routes. All of this is stuff which can quite easily be regulated if the political will was there. There is just and obsession in the British government with interfering in markets for .purely ideological reasons. And that is hitting the adoption of the technology. Yes payments by card are a great thing but CCS2 is just a no-brainer if you want to sell anything. I mean charging companies are lazy but hey're not stupid.
@Whatshisname346
@Whatshisname346 Жыл бұрын
@@Tessie1234 Nope. Tesla can do whatever they want and the reality is that they had to open the network because unfortunately for them not everyone is going to buy a Tesla but everyone who buys a Tesla will want a supercharger when they need it. And don't give me this nonsense about Tesla risking solvency, they got grants and handouts for every one of those charging stations form national governments including in the US. Pour one out for the poor put-upon billionaires, Give me a break!
@kevinmills5293
@kevinmills5293 Жыл бұрын
@@Whatshisname346would you want the clowns in government dictating how the charging infrastructure is implemented? I for one wouldn’t.
@wylieecoyote
@wylieecoyote Жыл бұрын
I am VERY happy with my Tesla Model Y in the States. Both the Y and 3 CAN be fitted with any of nearly a dozen different after market speedometer displays if you want one. Mine is the Teslogic which cleverly uses an app on your mobile phone and a tiny module easily plugged into an open connector in a side panel to become one of the best speedometers and data collectors, while charging the phone. There are many others, but I liked the simplicity of this one without the need to put in another display you would not already have.
@thegaminghydra592
@thegaminghydra592 Жыл бұрын
What's funny is that a lot of the after market speedometers look almost identical to the Seal's display
@SwiftHDX
@SwiftHDX Жыл бұрын
When looking at comfort and refinement, in my opinion the BYD Seal is so far behind, it's not even worth comparing. The Model 3 has been improved so much, I'd argue it's better than the Model S in terms of comfort, and on par in terms of refinement. I have yet to drive an ID.7, look forward to making that comparison, but just looking at the price of a comparably specced ID.7, the Tesla 3 LR is a no-brainer choice.
@thorsev6960
@thorsev6960 Жыл бұрын
Did the ID.7 have a heat pump?
@montana6041
@montana6041 11 ай бұрын
Another thing to mention when using Apple Car on the BYD is that it's quite a work-around to change the temperature or fan speed (if not with voice control) because of switching apps.
@joostgovaarts9846
@joostgovaarts9846 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, great comparison! For the biggest part of the world they use KM's for the range. Maybe a small KM figure next to miles increases your viewer potential? In the video is a small typo. When you compare the ranges @ 22.00 min the Model 3 price is not correct.
@jansq2205
@jansq2205 Жыл бұрын
The ID.7 naturally consumed more energy because it is a bigger car with more space to heat in the cabin. You should have compared it to the Tesla Model S and the BYD Han. Also, Tesla Superchargers have no price advantage over other operators here in Finland.
@christianolsen9781
@christianolsen9781 Жыл бұрын
Where I live they try to price the ID7 with the Tesla3/y - I am super disappointed in the efficiency of the ID7 vs. claimed.
@NissinXXX
@NissinXXX Жыл бұрын
The size of the ID7 is easily balanced out by the stronger performance of the BYD Seals.
@jansq2205
@jansq2205 Жыл бұрын
​@@NissinXXX What are you trying to say? If you need a big car, a smaller one won't do, regardless of performance.
@NissinXXX
@NissinXXX Жыл бұрын
The higher the power, the higher the consumption. The ID7 may be larger, but the Seal is significantly more powerful. This therefore balances each other out. In the end, the BYD is significantly more efficient than the VW.. @@jansq2205
@JackMaslovLive
@JackMaslovLive Жыл бұрын
Yeah but having the range be literally cut in half of what the car was supposed to do is pretty catastrophic. It manages to do only 200 miles on a single charge, on a pretty decent winter day (sunny, no bad road conditions, no snowing or rain)! Practically from 5% to 80% you gotta charge the damn thing every 150 miles. And their Pro S ID7 model only offers 9kwh more which will add around 25miles to the total. This is their top of the range car, isn't it? A Model 3 long range can beat it and so can a Model S, by doing extra 100 to 120 miles on that no problem. That's very disappointing on VW's part.
@jondee6145
@jondee6145 Жыл бұрын
Here in Australia, the same BYD Seal Premium is $25,000 cheaper! At today’s exchange rate, £45,695 is Aus$85,326. That car is on sale here for Aus58,798 plus on road costs. A massive cost difference. Any idea why Brits are paying so much more for the same car? Is it extra import taxes?
@allantham168
@allantham168 Жыл бұрын
other than the charging speed and costs on charging, Seal by far the best looking , sleek and gorgeous car among the three.with no doubt. The Model 3 indicator and gear changing mode would definitely a annoying and need time to adapt to it and yet do distract your focus while you are driving. The interior of Model 3 is boring.
@tigertoo01
@tigertoo01 Жыл бұрын
Would the model y been a better choice in the comparison? Are both the other cars bigger than the model 3?
@chillout1109
@chillout1109 Жыл бұрын
The Model Y is a crossover, and competes against the VW ID.5 and the BYD Atto 3, not against the cars included in this video.
@stefanschulthess5397
@stefanschulthess5397 Жыл бұрын
200 miles I can get easily with my ID4 GTX. It has to be something wrong with this ID7 imo. I've seen other winter test in Germany with a range of 250 miles (50 % highway). Anyways, Tesla gives me zero emotions and I don't like the operation at all. I always would prefer a hatchback.
@pine111
@pine111 Жыл бұрын
Agreed, feel like they measured something incorrectly and failed to catch it, most tests I see show the ID.7 being quite efficient. I also don’t think the ID.7 should be in this comparison at all as the other two cars are a good bit smaller in size and in a different category.
@FIGHTTHECABLE
@FIGHTTHECABLE Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, but VW really is a lobby company. They have their fingers deep into german politics. And now they are struggling to keep up with Tesla. The ID3 was promised to be the new golf, the best selling car from VW. Look what that car has become. I hear ID3 owners only getting 40kW DC max in winters. It's almost as if VW is manipulating their loyal customers, to keep buying ICE cars.
@michaelsummers9579
@michaelsummers9579 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Shame the Tesla didn’t have it’s standard wheels for the test which would have made it more impressive with the figures. Like the Seal over the VW but noted remarks about it’s interior
@ismeto-j9y
@ismeto-j9y Жыл бұрын
what wheels ?
@erik111erik
@erik111erik Жыл бұрын
​@user-jz7tr8zb5h the 18 inch ones with aero covers. It would likely saved an additional 5-10% of energy.
@michaelsummers9579
@michaelsummers9579 Жыл бұрын
@@ismeto-j9y in the video it doesn’t have the 18” aero wheels, it had the 19” Novo wheels
@FirstLast-rh9jw
@FirstLast-rh9jw Жыл бұрын
its a standard tesla upgrade, a very common one, its probably a tesla test car, provided by tesla and has one of very few options tesla offer, so its perfectly reasonable to take that version for a test. the testers weren't duty bound to tune the car to get the best out of it, despite what the Tesla Incels may think.
@michaelsummers9579
@michaelsummers9579 Жыл бұрын
@@FirstLast-rh9jw No I know that, wasn’t implying anything. Just a point that the Tesla came out well & had it had the box standard aero the results would have been even better. If you don’t mind me saying you took a negative view unnecessarily there.
@DonkeyDalek
@DonkeyDalek Жыл бұрын
I have a 3 year old company Model 3 due to be replaced next year. I would like a change, but the charging network and efficiency make another Model 3 the only option for 20K a year business miles over the whole UK.
@whoareyou8167x
@whoareyou8167x Жыл бұрын
I’m 5yrs into my model S and still love it. (Free supercharging also) just bought a model 3 for my wife and she loves hers. If no right hand drive model S coming I will be buying a new face lift model 3. You JUST can underestimate how good the supercharging Tesla network is! I have driven all around Europe 4 times now and never had a problem finding or charging on the Tesla network.
@TesIaCH
@TesIaCH Жыл бұрын
why don't you mention that you use the non long range Tesla with the non aero wheels (adding cost and reducing range)?
@neatodd
@neatodd 11 ай бұрын
Interesting video. I know it wouldn't be feasible but It would be interesting to make the same trip with the same cars in three years time to see what battery degradation and depreciation has occurred. Also to see if there is a better charging network.
@Notme-tq4xs
@Notme-tq4xs 11 ай бұрын
degradation on new batteries is very minimal. You should worry about the engine on a gas car dying in 12 years.
@JetFire9
@JetFire9 11 ай бұрын
@@Notme-tq4xsYeah, that’s a lie. Engines don’t fail in 12 years. Such a small percentage fail due to owners skipping maintenance. Yet, all HV batteries will fail around 12 years and cost way more than ICE maintenance. Plus the drive units are failing at a higher rate than engines, and many have 2 drive units at around $7k replacement each. ICE is more reliable and lower total cost of ownership. That’s the actual data, despite the emotions of the far lefties.
@davout5775
@davout5775 Жыл бұрын
The range that BYD gets is very good but it seems like they took from the performance and practicality to give some points to the battery. The Tesla M3 LR should be better in pretty much everything for 50,000 pounds
@matrixbug
@matrixbug 11 ай бұрын
if BYD can install their SuperCharging stations all over UK. You will see the difference. In China, they have 600kW charger, which is CRAZY...🤣
@davout5775
@davout5775 11 ай бұрын
@@matrixbug Tesla has 1MW chargers but this is not the point. There are no vehicle aside from the Cybertruck that can charge at these crazy speeds right now
@carlostequila343
@carlostequila343 11 ай бұрын
Dont you have charging cards in the uk that Work on all Chargers (Shell, ChargePoint) ?
@jevgeniardassov
@jevgeniardassov Жыл бұрын
None of them were impressive, BYD was 20kw/100 km, Tesla 17,3 and VW 22,3 wich is quite bad considering the weather… Just did same trip in a Lexus RZ450e which is bashed for the range and I drove with temperatures between -4 to -1 C, 24 C in the cabin, four people and full trunk, still managed 23,3 kw/100 km… 3 - 4 C is not winter.
@borinvlogs
@borinvlogs Жыл бұрын
Model 3 Performance owner here and i average 400wh/mile.
@A1steak
@A1steak 11 ай бұрын
Chinese BYD has the best quality and technology. The VW looks completely out classed
@richardburke952
@richardburke952 Жыл бұрын
Under £90 to do the same 520-mile trip in a 40mpg diesel car at £1.52 per litre, most likely do that on 1 tank of fuel so no fill-ups no range anxiety, and no massive deprecation on EV or crazy new purchase price for the normal guy choosing a car to buy ...
@Goose689
@Goose689 11 ай бұрын
I was amazed by the difficulty to engage reverse in the Tesla. There are times when you need to quickly reverse to prevent low speed crashes. To remove usability of important functions is not minimalism it is just dangerous.
@zoltrix7779
@zoltrix7779 11 ай бұрын
The stuffed the highland with that and the indicators. The action is even backwards. Surely swipe down would be drive. Just like a traditional gear lever, you bull back or down. Crazy.
@johantoong4357
@johantoong4357 Жыл бұрын
Hang on did he really say byd is "bottom of the pile" when it comes to interior and TM3 is top?? I've been in both cars. The Seal's interior was very good, like a high end European car (BMW, Audi) and the Tesla felt like a cheap Japanese brand with bad quality control. This is the first review I've seen where the Seal's interior is not praised as being luxury car level plush. I feel like the presenters have deliberately put down the BYD. They don't talk about the 800V architecture, the much safer blade battery, the fact that Tesla uses BYD batteries in some of its models. Quite an important mention especially in a video comparing both cars.
@imharbinger
@imharbinger Жыл бұрын
The new model 3 highland just came out, I don't belief you when you say, you have been in it.
@johantoong4357
@johantoong4357 Жыл бұрын
@@imharbinger the new model 3 launched here in October and I did a test drive last week of November 2023. Don't assume just because it just launched where you are it didn't launch earlier elsewhere.
@thegreypenguin5097
@thegreypenguin5097 11 ай бұрын
12:15 I have a feeling the main reason that's an issue is because BYD and the ppl at Waze design for LHD cars (China, US, most of world) where that info would be very easy to see
@andreasl4507
@andreasl4507 9 ай бұрын
Can’t wait for you all to have the Polestar 3 and 4 in your videos! ✔️💯
@HonestWatchReviewsHWR
@HonestWatchReviewsHWR Жыл бұрын
For me personally, the only good thing about the Tesla is the charging network. The car itself is the worst looking of the three, and the fact that you have to control EVERYTHING through the screen is just stupid. Getting rid of all physical controls in the most idiotic tend that is plaguing new cars. It''s illegal to use you phone whilst driving, but for some reason car manufactures think that using what is basically a tablet to control everything is a great idea 🤦‍♂
@TB-up4xi
@TB-up4xi Жыл бұрын
I have a model 3 and never touch anything on the screen while driving - nothing - ever, everything I need is through the 2 scroll wheels on the steering wheel or by voice. It's the least distracting of the 42 cars I have owned since the 1970's.
@alex135789
@alex135789 Жыл бұрын
WOW! Tesla cost almost half as much as the ID 7 for the entire trip. Tesla reigns supreme. Thank you for an honest interesting review. Excellent consumer advice.
@flixm9928
@flixm9928 Жыл бұрын
when you let all cars charge at a Tesla supercharger and then drive to a strange charger they never have heard of - of course the costs of the non-Teslas are much higher. So in my opinion, the test was a bit biased. I have no idea about the charging infrastructure in England/Wales, but in Germany there is no problem to find an alternative to a Tesla supercharger. After all, the Ionity chargers are often located directly at the Autobahn whereas for a Tesla supercharger you most of the time have to leave the Autobahn. So, Tesla has still an advantage with their mostly exclusive Tesla charging infrastructure, but at least in Germany, you have adequate alternatives (even besides Ionity, actually ENBW has 3760 charging points in Germany and Tesla only 2538 (December 2023), Aral for example has 1389 charging points - which are often better (more charging speed, better locations) than the Tesla sites. So the charging infrastructure shouldn't be a reason to buy a Tesla anymore - at least not in Germany.
@Twin.motors
@Twin.motors Жыл бұрын
​@@flixm9928I'm sorry but it wasn't biased. The Tesla was Much more efficient than the other two despite having a cheaper LFP battery. In Germany you still need to use various apps or NFC cards to pay and not to mention their reliability is hit or miss. Tesla superchargers are incredibly consistent and reliable, there's no comparison. I switched from 3 years of VW EV to a Tesla this year and the difference is out of this world.
@fortune300
@fortune300 11 ай бұрын
The ID7 should be compared to the Model S, the Model 3 is much smaller.
@cpeegberts2030
@cpeegberts2030 Жыл бұрын
First I did not understand why they put the ID7 in the review. But then I realised GB does not get the right hand drive model s. What Car? is comparing a 4,96 meter car with a 4,72 meter car. That is 24 cm difference. But the biggest problem is the fact that they talk for the most part about efficiency. People are not buying cars just for efficiency. And at 24:58 they say the ID7 has the better seats, better ride quality and it is more useable. They put a tree in the cars, but may be they should put people in the back. The conclusion would be different.
@lukeyd7776
@lukeyd7776 11 ай бұрын
In Australia the Seal is cheaper than the Model 3.
@Simon-rt3qu
@Simon-rt3qu Жыл бұрын
With the pricing of the other two cars, maybe the LR would have been better to test at £49990? Then it would likely have the best range also 🤷‍♂️ (but not cheapest).
@Arpedk
@Arpedk Жыл бұрын
Yes, they could also just have fitted Model 3 RWD with 18" wheel and the range would be 344 miles instead of 318 miles. Seems strange to compare a standard range Model 3 to two vehicles with much larger batteries... Model 3 won anyways 😀
@alex135789
@alex135789 Жыл бұрын
Tesla won anyways, that is the AMAZING part.@@Arpedk
@Simon-rt3qu
@Simon-rt3qu Жыл бұрын
Maybe they couldn’t get a LR press car? I don’t think I’ve seen any LR Highland M3 Press Cars? Tesla must be confident the SR is good enough 🤣
@Arpedk
@Arpedk Жыл бұрын
@Simon-rt3qu not the problem here. They never mentioned this was a small battery and no mention more range could be purchased.
@Simon-rt3qu
@Simon-rt3qu Жыл бұрын
True and since the new LR is 421 miles with the correct wheels/tyres (something close to that I think).
@garywynen3714
@garywynen3714 Жыл бұрын
BYD low range is AU$10000 cheaper than Tesla (in Australia) so different proposition here
@philiphookham8135
@philiphookham8135 Жыл бұрын
Any of those cars would be a great choice. I have a 2019 Tesla Model 3 performance. It's awesome!
@synthmaker
@synthmaker 7 ай бұрын
I have a 2020 Model 3 Performance, I still find it amazing. I've noticed that people that are critical of Tesla never owned one. Most people that have owned one will never consider any other brand. Because of the many small unique smart features, I'd describe it as an experience rather than just a car, after a couple of weeks of owning it I was still finding features that were putting a smile on my face.
@julesrann
@julesrann 10 ай бұрын
Surely give the price of the VW, the M3 Long Range would have been a better comparison 🤔Tesla Supercharger prices are also a lot cheaper than the other chargers
@Foersom_
@Foersom_ 9 ай бұрын
Tesla 3 is a size segment smaller than VW ID7. ID7 is same size a Tesla S.
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