Best Vented Subwoofers under $1000. Rythmik LV12M, SVS PB1000 PRO & RSL 12S Review / Overview!

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[@TonyKnowsBest]

I loved the candor in this one, filling us in on how friendly some manufacturers are and the real cost of review samples. Despite the apologies for offscreen rats and broken down A/C, the video looks and sounds great! That's KZbin magic!

[@NemoPropaganda]

thank you Tony!

[@deankim6687]

Great review. You provide insights that other channels don’t. Ideal for people on the market.

[@michaelr1624]

Been watching for a year, love your style and content. Gotta start somewhere! Keep it up.

[@Damien-Lugnut]

Awesome I never thought I’d see a review of the Rythmik lv12m

[@NemoPropaganda]

there is one in my discord done by a user who owns a pair if you want to hear more from an owner :)

[@macizoc9496]

I love your no nonsense approach on your channel.

[@NemoPropaganda]

thank you bro.

[@XDUDE3D]

I did an insane amount of research and demos and when all things considered I was really blown away by rythmik's performance to price and the depth of base while maintaining high accuracy. I personally ended up with dual FV25HP's which sadly has been discontinued. Extremely happy!

[@NemoPropaganda]

wow you got the big boys!!! those things gotta be epic!!

[@XDUDE3D]

@@NemoPropaganda definitely epic, paired with 14 JBL LSR308's in a 7.2.4 setup. Had people come from all over to experience it and never had anyone disappointed.

[@aaromon43]

i had 3 👀

[@XDUDE3D]

@@aaromon43 lol I know, your videos were some one the ones I watched in making my decision. I understand the 4000's are more powerful but how could 3 of the rythmiks not be enough!? My pair makes my house hurt lol

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@aaromon43 are you the dude that once said you wanted so much bass you wanted it to feel like it would kick you out of the couch? I remember watching that video!

[@yordanaleksandrov8443]

I own 2 PB 1000 Pros and I gotta say that the SVS app is a blessing, as I don't have access to any other DSP and I'm limited on subwoofer placement. There was a particularly nasty +10 db peak at 50 hz in my room that made music almost unlistenable, which was alleviated by the in-app eq. Tbf home theater guys probably have other means of correcting peaks, so they don't really need the built-in eq, but for us 2 channel music lovers this is remarkably useful and I truly hope it becomes a staple for other manufacturers as well: imagine being able to fine tune that RSL beast!

[@NemoPropaganda]

that's a nasty peak for sure! I don't see other companies making this mainstream but the good news is similar features can easily be added by way of something like a MiniDSP

[@ArthaxtaDaVince777]

Your videos are as professional as I'd expect, no over-editing required, just sttaight to the point. Although I do like when you add time stamps.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I very rarely put time stamps, youtube adds chapters on its own sometimes, that's not me doing it, I'd remove them if I could. I believe my videos should be watched in their entirety for proper context but I understand chapters can be helpful, either way, too much work for me lol

[@ArthaxtaDaVince777]

​@@NemoPropaganda It's more of a bonus for me, if, say I want to come back to a video to jog my memory and want a specific detail.

[@racktech]

Great stuff rt there Nemo. Thanks for showing us all these awesome subs. Would be nice to see Monoprice support your channel as well . Them Monolith subs looks to be a beast of a competitor.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I'm sure they would if I asked but it's not really a brand I wish to cover. They made their name ripping off SVS designs and I can't support that.

[@deankim6687]

I’m impressed that you sat in that position for the whole video.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I'm oddly flexible for my age. My ankle was a smidgen sore for a couple minutes after I filmed but was back to normal 3-4 minutes later lol.

[@deankim6687]

@@NemoPropaganda Lol

[@1337sim1]

Great video man. Thx! Hope your problems are fixed soon 😊

[@hondaphan4172]

I can't believe you only have a little over 19k subscribers. I think I subscribed around a year ago because I enjoyed the content and your delivery .

[@NemoPropaganda]

thank you for the kind words. For what it's worth I'm happy with the size of the channel, that's still 19k people that felt my content had some value for them :)

[@hondaphan4172]

@@NemoPropaganda I assume the rat & AC problems have been taken care of :)

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@hondaphan4172 oh yeah, killed the rat plus one of his friends and AC is fixed, had to open up about 20ft of exterior wall but it's all good now. Btw are you a into Hondas?

[@hondaphan4172]

@@NemoPropaganda Yeah but I'm more of an old-school Honda fan. My neighborhood buddy bought a brand new '82 Accord back-in-the-day and I was amazed by the level of refinement and the silky-smooth engine for such a small car. I became a fan that day and I went on to own an '85 Civic Sedan, an '88 Accord LX sedan, a '98 CRV and an '05 Pilot EX.. My wife and I drive the CRV and PIlot almost every day. The CRV has 302,600 miles under her belt and the Pilot has 235K and I'm in no hurry to get rid of them as they're still very reliable and don't look their age. I know you like Toyotas and my wife owned an '07 FJ Cruiser for several years. She loved that vehicle.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@hondaphan4172 nice!! myelf and a lot of my friends are into the 90' Honda's, I don't have mine anymore but a lot of my friends still have their 90-93 integras or 89-91 civic hatcbacks, I had a 96 civic hatchback myself for a long time, totally regret selling it.

[@FinalBossRises]

dude, I love your authenticity in your videos. Couldn't ask for more. If you can get your hands on some Perlisten subs. I'd love to hear your thoughts!

[@NemoPropaganda]

thank you for the kind words bro, Perlisten is willing to send a review sample but the their subs are rather large/heavy and arrive on a pallet. At this time I don't have the space to accept a pallet delivery so I had to decline the review :(

[@bolobos]

Can't wait for the rythmik!

[@mrulesoul]

You are transparent than the Subs you reviewed. Learned something new, Thanks for shooting straight oh and your prod. quality is spot on. Subscribed.

[@NemoPropaganda]

thank you for the kind words! Glad you enjoyed it.

[@fletchermunson6225]

Rats eat the insulation on wires. Couldn't hurt to have an electrician check out your attic space. Do not poison the rat or you will smell rat rot for weeks.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I'm just letting the exerminator handle it, heard the little bugger running around last night. AC guy came today and said its not related which I suppose is a good thing because it means that rat isn't chomping on stuff up there... yet!

[@fletchermunson6225]

Be sure to have the pest guy go around and look for bad ventilation screens etc because unless you invited him in, the rat found a hole to the outside.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@fletchermunson6225 yeah, he thinks he's coming in the through the AC so we've got that all sealed up now, we'll see what happens.

[@fletchermunson6225]

@David Mander Done once, never again.

[@justinvazquezlfg]

Damn rants! I mean rats!

[@JimConnaughton-s4p]

You are the Best Advertisement for these products theres no more Electronics stores any Longer Keep up the Amazing WORK my MAN

[@NemoPropaganda]

thank you for the kind words!

[@rjzlwop3153]

Your channel may be small with your like mighty mouse, and your channel seems to be a lot bigger than most peoples. You’re fantastic and I really did your reviews.

[@ulflarsson9693]

I have bought one rel ht 1205 mk2 sub. Really good is it. Buying one more soon then 😊👍🎶🔊

[@mohitkatta3031]

Nemo quick question 1 fvx 15 for 2000 or dual fvx 12 for 3000 6 months apart Is the extra 1k worth or should be used somewhere else Room size 3500+ cub feet 18 x 22 x 9 Mlp 15ft from screen. 5.1.4 setup with Polk r200 and r400 mains and center Need advice

[@NemoPropaganda]

Hi Mohit, great question and thank you for including all the relavent information. I think you will be happier with a pair of FVX12 instead of a single 15" even if its 6 months apart. The single FVX12 will be amazing on its own and you'll have something awesome to look forward to, by the time the second one arrives you'll have the first one dialed in nicely and will be able make an awesome setup even more awesome :)

[@zombielandiii2711]

I personally really love you, and your videos and I'm always greatful because you are always responding the messages and helping wherever you can. So stop complaining about rats and haters, (nah thanks for being you ) and show us even more reviews and love.😊

[@NemoPropaganda]

I have good news to report, the I caught the rat and my air conditioner is fixed now :)

[@zombielandiii2711]

@@NemoPropaganda Great!

[@edwarddiogu6377]

Wonderful unique review. It looked like something coming from an audio engineer/technician. Maybe once in a while intentionally pop up something similar... I love this review a lot.

[@NemoPropaganda]

maybe, if I have a few similar items that have to be sent back I'll do a wrap-up type send off video like this one.

[@bigmike5785]

Looking forward to the LV12M video

[@KimmoJaskari]

I would really really like to know how the new Klipsch RP-1200SW stacks up against these. What little I've seen looks very promising. They straight-up say they've beaten the whole issue with amps not lasting, and the design looks great. I can't even get the RSL being not-in-the-US. I'll probably roll the dice on the Klipsch. Here, it costs similar money as a PB 2000 and should almost certainly surpass it on performance (albeit no app or dsp). Unfortunately also very large, or rather long. I didn't want that. But... I do want bass, and extension down to 16 hz... I can always add $225 for a MiniDSP 2x4 HD and solve the tuning issue.

[@NemoPropaganda]

The new Klipsch sub was supposed to be apart of this video series however being so new to the market a review sample was not availble in time but I will be reviewing one in the future as review samples become available.

[@KimmoJaskari]

@@NemoPropaganda A shame it didn't get included, but I guess that's the reality of new products. I'll keep my eyes peeled for reviews then. May wind up buying it sight unseen, it seems to tick all my boxes.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@KimmoJaskari honestly I support that kind of stuff, it might be a winner for you, it might not be, but having the personal experience is the best part of this hobby!!!! I've bought most of my gear without ever having heard it. My kinki amps, the buchardt speakers, the ares2 dac, etc...

[@KimmoJaskari]

@@NemoPropaganda Yeah, I live way off the beaten path, so online shopping is a big part of my life. Buying sight unseen is more common than not, the 7.2 system I have in this room was all bought after just watching reviews. But the reviews do help inform one's choices! Keep em coming.

[@eltonc1505]

What you say is so easy to comprehend.... Love it ❤

[@jerrywhite4497]

Love my SVS sb-2000, it's a perfect match to my Bowers & Wilkins speakers

[@NemoPropaganda]

I could actually see that being a good match, I've only heard the 607 and I think that lineup & SVS are great together!

[@jerrywhite4497]

@Nemo Propaganda B&W 685s bookshelf speakers for left and right channels. I listen to them at Best Buy in Springfield, Missouri. I also listened to a pair of Martin Logan speakers that retail for $2,000. B&W blew them away. They were floor demos, and I got them for $250.00 for the pair with full warranty. Still feel a little guilty ......NOT..!

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@jerrywhite4497 nice, yeah that's a great match. ML are good and they are technically better but the AMT sound is not for everyone, myself included.

[@kman9387]

I would not sell your production value short! I value your opinion over most of the others 🤘👌 You have a quick no nonsense approach that gets to the point and helps many decide what may work for them. Instead of graphs and diagrams you have your experience and great ears 👍 I look forward to your reviews like I look forward to watching new movies in my living room Home theater 😎

[@Chriswelder1]

I originally wanted the RSL 12 but had just enough money for the Rythmik LV12M. Now,.. I'm no pro. Living room movies. Right now I'm only running a Denon AVR with two Kef Q350's and now the Rythmik. I haven't ran Audessey yet and I have a UMIK-1 coming in the mail so I can use REW. Out of the box with subwoofer level on AVR set to 0db amd volume on the back of the sub about 5 clicks above 12 o'clock I'm shaking the windows with my AVR turned up to -15db and I'm in a 2k square foot house with a open floor plan. It gets low but it's soooo smooth. The bass is rich and smooth. I am thoroughly impressed so far and I haven't ran room correction or taken any measuments yet. EDIT: After some testing I've found that the amp on the Rythmik is clipping and in order for it to not clip I have to turn the sub down enough to where I am not getting nearly the output I feel I require in the room. Not sure if it's placement, the room or both. I will need to teat further with REW but as of now the Rythmik simply does not have enough output.

[@NemoPropaganda]

The LVM12 is an excellent sub but it is still on the smaller side so if you're looking to recreate reference level theater a single compact sub will rarely get the job done unless its something absolutely massive. Listening habits and the room will be a big factor. I know guys with a single 18" that weren't completely satisfied and ended up going duals so maybe duals is your solution :)

[@Smellslikegelfling]

I would really like to see the RSL speedwoofer 12S compared to something in the $1200 category like the GoldenEar Forcefield 40. The Speedwoofer 12S might come out on top, but if the Forcefield 40 even comes close with a much smaller cabinet, it might be a good option for people with limited space or design constraints.

[@NemoPropaganda]

that would not compare even a little. Golden ear subs are for theater only and this YT page is for 2ch music so I would never recommend golden ear anyway. If you want a smaller sub I've reviewed many that are much smaller as well as made videos discussing how smaller subs compare to larger subs. The short answer is many modern smaller subs like the SVS Micor or KEF KC62 are amazing but cannot compete with something 4-6x their physical size. A Honda Civic has a respectable amount of performance for its category but it doesn't hold a candle to a Hellcat.

[@Smellslikegelfling]

@@NemoPropaganda What makes you say the GoldenEar subs are for HT only and not 2 channel? The reviews say they have good output from 30hz and above. They're also sealed, so they should have a good transient response, no?

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@Smellslikegelfling they have passive radiators which generally don't have the best transients unless we're talking about REL which is another story, REL makes amazing passive radiator subs, everyone elses just sound like small vented subs. Lastly and mainly what clearly makes them for HT only is the entire lack of any phase or polarity adjustment which makes it impossible to setup in a purist 2ch system. You can only set phase in home theater setup using a processor that has onboard bass management, a feature stereo amps simply don't have. The only reason a subwoofer company would choose to leave out phase or polarity adjustment is because they assume you will be using it with an AVR in a theater environment that has said adjustments.

[@Smellslikegelfling]

@@NemoPropaganda Okay, that makes sense. I did notice the lack of adjustment or balanced connectors on them. I'm pretty new to some of this stuff, so thanks for taking the time to explain it.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@Smellslikegelfling no problem, feel free to hop in our free discord if you want to chat with more people about the hobby. discord.gg/nemopropaganda

[@rajp3667]

Excellent comparison. Watched a whole bunch of your videos, so much info… I’m trying to decide between the PB-1000 PRO, LV12M & 12S (which I believe might be too big for my space) Planning to run in a room of 2000 ft3 room. Pairing with older Def Tech BP7006 towers (the in-built subs died), Denon AVR2805. Movies/ Music 70/30. Place a lot of value in SQ. but, unfortunately, don’t have an option to hear either of them. Pleas advice which one sub or duals I should try out. If I go with only 1, which of the 3 would you recommend. Thanks a lot for your time in advance!!!

[@NemoPropaganda]

I made this video to help people decide between Rythmik & SVS, they are very different so hope this helps: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHbdYWaOoMimoqssi=aSyFD09OSTwr88c8

[@rajp3667]

@@NemoPropagandaI watched this one too…)))😂. I think indecisiveness is very prevalent in this space. I’m sure folks like you are a lot more clearer on your recommendations as you get to truly try out different options. I’m glad I’m down to only a couple at this point. Thanks again for the videos. Your reviews are top notch!!

[@greyshadow7786]

​@@rajp3667 The RSL is the best out of the 3

[@rajp3667]

Bought the LV12M based on this and your other reviews. Will be getting them later this week. Thanks a lot!!!

[@michaelk24]

@@rajp3667 Looking at the same model. How is the lv12m doing?

[@tonydillinger2553]

love the vids... still dont know what sub I'll be getting to pair with my klipsch Fives mclarens, small room, but would like to have option to move to a larger room, no amps or receiver. looking at rel ht 1205, emotiva rs11, or some type of rythmik, I digress... for movie and music

[@johnslongmustache748]

Is the RSL sub driver actually smaller than the other 2?

[@NemoPropaganda]

nah, all 3 are 12", the cabinet is just a lot bigger so your eyeballs are playing tricks on you.

[@NuclearCowboyTube]

Keep'em coming Nemo

[@DanielRivera-wn7ne]

I'm struggling. Klipsch RP-1200SW OR Rhythmic LV12M? I want SQ with visceral power. It will complement my 2 mighty rhythmik L12's (Which your video helped me choose. I love them!)

[@NemoPropaganda]

DO NOT mix RP1200 with Rythmik. The LV12M is the easy choice. While the RP1200SW is a good sub on it's own it will sound slow next to any Rythmik. Get the LV12M.

[@DanielRivera-wn7ne]

@@NemoPropaganda love the no beating around the bush. Thanks man. Hundred dollars less too. Can’t wait to try it out.

[@ericshutter5305]

any idea of the quality issues we see often with SVS? I also had a PB13-ultra with a blown amp. would 2x Arendal 1723 1S subs be a good upgrade?

[@NemoPropaganda]

SVS sells more subs than any other subwoofer brand so I think we will hear about more failures because they have more subs on the market. As far as the 1723 1S yeah I think you're going in a great direction. I really liked the 1723 1S a lot but keep in mind you're going from vented to sealed so you'll trade some low end thickness for a more responsive sub. If you loved the sound of the PB13 and want to keep that type of sound you'll want to go with something like an RSL 12S or SVS PB3000. With that siad if you're going from 1 PB13 to dual 1723 1S I think you'll be a very happy man. There is a user in my discord that runs dual 1723 1S if you want to hop in and get his impressions.

[@ericshutter5305]

thanks! going for more responsive subs so the 1723 1S sound great 👍

[@1psxpat]

Nice review. Thank you.

[@sammy10001]

Anything for bigger spenders coming from RSL soon? Looks they did good in the budget section. Are they making a real giant, 16 inch or greater? Do you know anything from the manufacturer Nemo?

[@NemoPropaganda]

I don't have any insider information and if I did I couldn't share it anyway :) If I had to guess I'd say an even bigger model probably won't happen since bigger subs are less popular. Same reason SVS doesn't have an 18" or 21", they're popular on the internet but very few people actually buy them.

[@curt5802]

do you prefer the matte black vinyl or the black oak vinyl? (when vinyl is the only option, like w the lv12m)

[@NemoPropaganda]

The matte is a little more simple, the black oak has a little style to it so it really just depends on if you want the more spartan & stealth look of the matte or the more stylish look of the black oak. The black oak is the typical fake wood black vinyl. I think the black oak would look better in a mixed space like a living room and the matte would look better in a dedicated theater rig, that's just my opinoin though.

[@robertongjunco4121]

Hello Nemo! From what company did you get those black acoustic panels you got on your wall? Are you happy with them? I would like to know where I can get them. Thanks!

[@NemoPropaganda]

Dekiru on Amazon, they're just polyster panels that helped with some slap echo. My main sound panels are out of frame at the first reflection points. I like them but mostly bought for aesthetics. I put them up when I moved in so I didn't really compare with and without.

[@robertongjunco4121]

@@NemoPropaganda Thanks Nemo! more power to you and your channel. You have always been very Helpful. Have a wonderful day bro!

[@DingeyBasementRecordings]

seems like the rsl is the sub to go for, if your looking for the best of both worlds. sound quality and output!

[@Ddubz414]

Would the rythmik lv12m still be good for home theater?

[@NemoPropaganda]

yes of course, that's what its designed for.

[@jeffarthur322]

Isn’t the rythmik a severo sub?

[@NemoPropaganda]

Yup, all Rythmiks are.

[@csabas46]

Is the RSL 12S a ported sub?

[@NemoPropaganda]

yup, it's in the title.

[@kevinclodfelder266]

So two rythmik lv12ms or one rsl 12s

[@NemoPropaganda]

If you can afford a pair of LV12M you can afford a pair of 12s also so what’s the question you’re asking here? Do you have a space contraint? Are you worried about output? What kind of system is this for? This is such an open endef and vague question.

[@Eron55555]

Do you really wanna send back the RSL 12s? Do ya really really want to?

[@NemoPropaganda]

I don't want to, I love it, but I don't keep large subs for long term because my room is not that big so she's gotta go back!

[@JMang101]

Great video.

[@wirechair]

good stuff

[@danemoreno88]

Did rythmik lower the price on the lv12m ? I could of sworn it was 769 before and now it looks like I could order one for 699 shipped actually even less because I’m a returning customer . That’s definitely something to think about for people on this sub although it only goes to 19hz is the only downside to it .

[@ArthaxtaDaVince777]

Could you even hear 19 hz vs 16hz?

[@danemoreno88]

@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 no one can hear below 20hz so does that mean everyone should only buy subs that only go to 20hz ??

[@NemoPropaganda]

in a theater environment and with enough output you can feel it yes. In a music only system its a moot point for sure.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I believe you are thinking of the disocntinued model, I think it was called the LV12R, it was bigger and a little more expensive and facing a price increase. Rythmik replaced it with the LV12M to bring a more affordable option for the budget guys who wanted a smaller sub and to save some cash :)

[@danemoreno88]

@@NemoPropaganda no it was that one because I was wanting to get it before the rsl came out actually I was looking at this one and the fvx12 which I was set on getting until the 12s came around . Either way it’s a great value

[@greyshadow7786]

RSL 12S or RYTHMIK FVX12?

[@NemoPropaganda]

discord.com/channels/919111263148208209/1089813679907807262

[@Steve-Stoytchev]

Wouldn't the SVS PB2000 pro be a closer comparison to the RSL? I got mine under $1k and power and size and much closer to the RSL than the PB1000 Incidentally selling mine since I moved to something else but it's a great sub PS - thumbed up 👆

[@NemoPropaganda]

please read the title of the video.

[@demonreturns4336]

what diff sub did you move on to?

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@demonreturns4336 I continue to use the same subs I always have, KC62 in my living room and FVX12 or T7X pair in my listening room depending on what speakers are connected.

[@demonreturns4336]

@@NemoPropaganda my bad Nemo, maybe I clicked on the wrong person but I was asking Steve dude above, but still thanks for answering and interesting to see your go to on a day to day basis

[@ENGBriseB]

The SVS 1000 Pro SB works well with my Wharfedale speakers.

[@Smellslikegelfling]

The cone on the RSL looks smaller than the other two 12 inchers. It has a very latge surround, but i wouldn't be surprised if the true size is 10 inch.

[@NemoPropaganda]

it's not, what you're seeing is an opitcal illusion caused by the much larger front baffle of the RSL 12S, I've measured all 3 drivers and the Rythmik & RSL both measure the same while the svs is actually .2" smaller from outer edge of surround to outer edge of surround.

[@Smellslikegelfling]

​@@NemoPropagandaThat's crazy, because the SVS looked the largest to me. Thanks for measuring that.

[@Novilicious]

Bro I had a raccoon 🦝 in my attic for 3 months that ruined my life. My roof couldn’t be sealed (Spanish tile) so it was a month long fight. And my AC went out as well-but not because of the vermin, but because the thing was 10 years old, and and it was just easier to fix replace the whole thing. So I sympathize with you 😂😂😂

[@NemoPropaganda]

ah yes sir, you know my struggle! They keep sealing holes and this rat bastard keeps making new ones!! He's a resiliant beast!

[@phenomtyree]

Timbre is the term for distinction.

[@NemoPropaganda]

that's too fancy of a word for me.

[@phenomtyree]

@@NemoPropaganda All musicians, recording engineers, critical music listeners, and people who you call audiophiles utilize the term.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@phenomtyree I been doing this for 3 years, you're the first person to use this word in a sentence with me, I apprecaite the input but I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing.

[@phenomtyree]

@@NemoPropaganda As an advocate of free speech, I never stated that you should not use your own words. Synonym is my point like "car" versus "motor vehicle" versus "automobile" versus "horseless carriage". All are replaceable words and does absolutely no harm to anyone nor anything. First amendment rights are exercised from both parties. In fact, the terms agree with each other.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@phenomtyree thank you, sorry I tend to get a lot of people that are overly critical of the way I talk but I'm not the topic of the video.

[@johannjohann6523]

First time to check out the channel, and even though I was familiar with all 3 subwoofers mentioned, I enjoyed your take on them. Also enjoyed your narrative. As a musician I certainly want and enjoy quality sound, but "audiophiles" kinda get on my nerves. 1) Really when there are people in need others will drop $20, or $50K for a pair of speakers and their conscious doesn't bother them (we're not talking about a car now, just speakers)? 2) Then after dropping $50K the choice of music is some light jazz with a piano, drums, upright bass, and harmonica - recorded with 2 microphones? Seriously, that is NOT challenging the speakers and would sound fine on a Monoprice system. 3) Audiophiles think stereo systems and speakers are "musical instruments" thus justifying the cost. Music is beyond numbers and Thiele ratings, it's magical like nothing else, and no you don't need to have a "ridiculous" stereo system to enjoy the music, just a good one. Thought you might agree Peace. (if you want a really special set of speakers, build a pair. Everything else is pretty much out of reach.)

[@NemoPropaganda]

I have a friend who's an accountant, he says you cannot mix financial responsibility and hobies as the two are at odds with eachother. All hobbies are financially reckless in some way. I suppose there are a few like high-end watch collecting that could pay off in the long term but outside of those few niche hobbies they're all financial sinkholes so it's up to each individual to decide what is "worth it" for them :).

[@Audfile]

This is what you need. Snap trap (use gloves so no human smell), don't put on the floor of attic, place vertically along a "wall" or post with snap facing down, a few inches off the ground. Fill hole with Asian fish spice. It's irresistible. Bam, dead rat.

[@NemoPropaganda]

I'll let the exterminator know, in CA there are a ton of stupid laws they have to follow. Asian fish spice, mmmm, I'm hungry now lol.

[@Audfile]

@Nemo Propaganda yeah that stuff you put on Ramen, in the grocery store. Better than anything I've tried (peanut butter, dog food, etc). I had a small plague and merked them all. Was very satisfying! Oh, nice review. Hey, got some Starkrimson Monos on the way with the GanFet power supplies. Should be dope. Anyone wanna buy a Parasound? Have a good one friend.

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@Audfile no no no, I'm good on amps lol, maybe someone in my discord will want it? feel free to post it in the deals and sales section bro.

[@Audfile]

@Nemo Propaganda I feel bad and feel like I'm missing out. I plan on joining i just still haven't bought a laptop and hate using a phone to type. One of these days. Soon enough, I'll let ya know how these amps are, gonna be sick.

[@paulcsaszar5824]

Just use citronella oil rats and mice hate the smell and won't even bother coming in your attic again.

[@MeTuLHeD]

Rythmik LV12M would be great IF you could buy it! On indefinite backorder. No ETA.

[@NemoPropaganda]

it's worth the wait brother.

[@NaregChakhbasian]

It's always sold out because you don't even need something better. It's the best sub they have. I got it on backorder, waiting until mid January.

[@FlyGuy457]

I prefer the truth as you see it. Do I care about prof production value-no. Thank you!

[@jds6000]

This one is a no brainer. BUY THE RSL SPEEDWOOFER 12S! FIND A PLACE FOR IT! IT IS A KILLER! IT IS SIMPLY FEROCIOUS!

[@dennisbohner6876]

I've got a smaller SVS and a Speedwoofer 10. Both companies are great. I use that metric a lot. Reliability and support are PRIMARY issues for me. I've been burnt by the leading bleeding edge and I no longer have an interest in purchasing 'adventurous' products. I have no experience with Rhthmic and withhold any opinion.

[@aceofspades6667]

Want to like that RSL but that thing is fuggin huge. No way I could ever buy two of them.

[@NemoPropaganda]

you and me both, a pair would absolutely dominate my room, though my buddy has the same size room and had a pair of PB16 Ultras lol, it was for a theater though.

[@Jon-nz3dm]

Just thought I'd let you know, I have been subscribed for a long time with all notifications on but haven't seen a single video pop into my feed for at least 5-6 months...kinda weird, not sure what's going on

[@NemoPropaganda]

youtube can be odd at times, I'm happy you're enjoying the contect though!

[@dnate697]

Rats and Bats love bass LOL!

[@kevinclodfelder266]

Yeah I’m sorry I apologize. It’s for a music only system that loves deep and low low bass

[@NemoPropaganda]

i think you'll be happy with either option.

[@starker1971]

Audiophiles care about how information is presented to them in a youtube ??? Boy I feel sorry for the poor Karens.

[@NemoPropaganda]

oh yeah, you'd be surprised, some dude unfollowed me because I told him I generally only review stuff I'm personally interested in because I got a pretty busy life. Like he got mad that audio was not my priority.

[@starker1971]

Did you say send mo money ??? :)@@NemoPropaganda

[@AbsoluteFidelity]

No normal human would care, only Karens and those are not even humans. Getting the facts thru matters most. #factsmatter

[@NemoPropaganda]

Yeah, some people are so unaware and lack self improvement to the point they don't realize how entitled they are.

[@AbsoluteFidelity]

@@NemoPropaganda fak em rite in da pusseh. Bunch of entitled bellends.

[@ricksmith7659]

For a little more money i stacked two SVS SB1000 Pros and will annihilate any of these.

[@NemoPropaganda]

That's a cool setup too and sometimes getting dual cheaper subs is better than 1 giant more expensive one, especially if you have some room issues or need more even bass but your statement is factually incorrect. Dual sealed subs generally have similar output to a single vented sub with the same sized driver and SVS's own data shows that. A single PB1000 pro can play 7.2dB louder than a single SB1000 pro and duals will play 6dB louder so the dual SB1000 pro is about equal to a single PB1000 pro. I'm not taking a jab here, just clarifying how vented subwoofers work. SVS themselves are very transperant about this.

[@ricksmith7659]

@@NemoPropaganda I understand the math but what I feel and hear after stacking these two is very noticeable

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@ricksmith7659 right, but you havn't heard any of these subs in the same room in the same locaiton have you? If your stacked subs outperform the same two subs in different locations it just means you had some cancellation issues or didn't have the phase setup right.

[@NickkaDUB]

Sorry couldn’t be like 👍🏼666

[@NemoPropaganda]

like now to make it 667 :)

[@wswsn7396]

This video is a waste of time by people who really wan to know the difference of these subs. no measurements of any kind.

[@NemoPropaganda]

waaaaaa, cry cry cry, want a tissue to dry your tears?