Best rim brake wheels ever? Winspace Lun Hyper R45 2023 first impressions vs Schmolke TLO45 vs Zipp

[@johncoates6039]

I have the same set….hoping for yet another generation of rim brake wheels with 23 or 24 internal rim width

[@nightrider7474]

Maximum rim brake widths for most brake callipers is 28mm outside width. The Winspace Lun Hypers are 27.6mm outer width. Although on my R5 there is heaps of space left, could probably go around 30mm max width. A 23-24mm inner width would be too wide for most rim brake bikes?

[@johncoates6039]

Probably…until we get rim brakes back and few mills here and there to increase these minuscule amounts we’re lookin for.

[@madyogi6164]

Nice wheels! I lately bought ICAN, 50 mm deep, with 240 hubs. So great to ride. They also included dedicated brake pads, with wider and slightly longer surfaces compared to Shimano R55-s.

[@johncoates6039]

George Vargas runs rim brakes with 30mm tires on a current ritchey road logic….could easily build wider internal rims to accommodate 28c tires and have the same room with a more aero profile and then you’d have liter tires.

[@simonwarmer8777]

Nice ride m8👌

[@nightrider7474]

Thanks ✌

[@steven_willems]

Currently I’m using 105 rim brakes with the default Shimano pads on alloy wheels, not even considering carbon wheels because of all the rumors. Besides the improved brake tracks on the carbon wheels, does one also need special pads or also better brakes ?

[@nightrider7474]

They come with new carbon pads in the box! Your 105 should be fine. I do however highly recommend Campagnolo Carbon pads for Shimano (they also make Campagnolo Carbon pads for Campagnolo, make sure to buy the right ones for Shimano!) as I’ve found these pads to be the best overall for stopping power even in the wet Also beware most older rim brake frames cannot accomodate wider tyres and wheels! If your bike can’t take at least 25mm tyres you may have problems fitting these wheels. The area of greatest concern is wheel and tyre clearance of the rear wheel down near the bottom bracket in between the chain stays. My Cervelo R5 can easily fit 28mm tyres and possibly even 30mm as there is heaps of clearance down there, most rim brake frames from 2017 or earlier have extremely tight clearances down there even on 25mm tyres with 17mm or less internal width wheelsets

[@steven_willems]

@ currently maxed out at 28 on my 2007 specialized that I keep on tweaking :) Thx for the pointers!

[@nightrider7474]

No problems! I was going to say only two rim brake bikes I know of that can do 28mm, the other one being a Tarmac!

[@osmanmusa5979]

Which you reckon would be a better performing wheelset between the hypers vs the WTO rimbrake. If cost of the wheels were not taken into account.. Would like to hear your thoughts?

[@no-haw]

Any recommendations if one still wish to stay on aluminium rim brale wheels? I don't care for the weight, but would like it to be atleast 40 mm rim depth

[@nightrider7474]

I don’t think so, very rare to see aluminium rims deeper than 30mm. I’ve seen some super old aluminium rims with carbon fairings to make them deeper but you’re talking 2010 or earlier.

[@no-haw]

Thanks for replying, much appreciated 👍🏼

[@tommyfreckmann6857]

How is the brake track on the Winspace? Is there any texture to the surface?

[@nightrider7474]

Hey mate, textured surface is 2014 tech! I owned and ran two most common textured braking surface wheelsets - Enve Gen 2 and Zipp Showstopper and both are terrible (esp in the wet!) compared to the newer tech Schmolke TLO and these new Winspace Hyper 2023’s. I have no idea what they put into the brake surface except that it’s a matte carbon finish that is untextured. Remember that the big western brands have stopped developing carbon rim brake since they are pushing discs since around 2019 so they have not progressed the tech since then. These smaller independent brands on the other hand have continued to develop rim brake. Another key example of lack of development: the lightest rim brake wheels that the big brands made Enve 3.4 SES with 2.0 brake track and Zipp 303 NSW for example weigh ~1350g and these new wheels are much deeper, much wider, tubeless compatible and are 1185g or in the case of Winspace same weight! That’s cause those other wheels are 10yr old tech. You can’t buy the big brand rim brake wheels new anymore anyway

[@tommyfreckmann6857]

@nightrider7474 I totally agree with lack of modern development. But, I do believe that those older high end wheels are superior. I have 40k miles on a Camoy rim brake wheelset. I have heard stories of the Winspace bubbling under braking due to, too much heat. I have never liked any carbon rim brakes in the wet and I heard those Gen 2 Enves were the best in the wet. So, interesting to hear your take... I wonder how the Winspace perform in the wet. Grooves or textured surface in theory sound much better in the wet than a smooth track.

[@nightrider7474]

The Enve and Zipp are ordinary in the dry let alone the wet. The Schmolke TLO are the new gold standard, I’ve ridden them in all conditions and they stop really really well even in downpour. Thanks for heads up on Winspace and heat. The Schmolke advertises super high temp resin as part of their features where as Winspace are silent on that. I’ll keep an eye out for it during long Aussie summer

[@allhill]

Hyper R45 is the best value rim brake wheelsset you can buy right now! As long you not riding in wet 😅 or you can get Hyper 23 SE

[@nightrider7474]

Thanks for heads up! Lol I’ll be more careful in the wet if I ever get caught out

[@BMD8]

Are you using campy brake pads?

[@nightrider7474]

Yes, Campagnolo carbon pads for Shimano blocks. I’ve used many brake pads in the past and have found these to be the best performance in dry and wet

[@BMD8]

@nightrider7474 I have tried a few carbon rims and campys have the best stopping power that i have tested. Good to know the hypers are great too.

[@nightrider7474]

Glad to know I’m not the only one who rates the campy pads! I haven’t used the Winspace in the pouring rain yet, but they are excellent in the dry so going by that they should be decent in the wet? I’ll report back first time I get caught in the rain (once a year at my rate!)

[@BMD8]

@@nightrider7474 campagnolo wheels also have the best rim brake performance, i like them better than aluminum

[@nightrider7474]

I too have a pair of Fulcrum Racing Zero Carbon C17 (a bit older generation) but the braking is also very good on those. No idea if they have improved on them since but I can tell you the Schmolke are even better braking, Winspace about the same

[@davomccranko]

I've found SRAM to be the worst rim brakes for modulation and power. Shimano a lot better. Campy probably the best but Shimano nearly as good

[@nightrider7474]

Haha I’ve had the opposite experience. I had latest generation 11spd Dura Ace di2 on my SL6 Tarmac with direct mount brakes and they were really really hard to actuate (needing more force to actuate). The SRAM Red with EE Brakes are feather light, 1 finger braking…