Better Than a GOLDWING? | First Ride on a BMW K1600 GTL

[@majorhicksusmc]

I just found this video. I rode a 2013 K1600GTL for 8 years and loved very minute of it. My wife and I did a 2-4 week trip on it, plus weekend trips. The inline 6, its 160 hp, and the 130 pounds of torque made the bike very fast, very nimble, and very easy to start from a stop even when loaded down with passenger, gear, and on a hill. On the highway or interstate, with two up, loaded with gear for a 2+ week trip, it never felt like a large, heavy bike loaded down bike. More like what it must be like to fly an F-18. Steady, smooth, and when you needed it, a lot of power. Plus, with a bike with this amount of horsepower, it got very good gas mileage. But, there is a learning curve with the bike. It is top heavy, particularly the passenger sitting even higher than the driver. All of which makes low speed handling more challenging. You need to spend time in a parking lot doing slow speed turns and figure eights to really begin to feel comfortable with it. But, once you acquire the skill, it becomes second nature and easy. There are items that should be replaced. I put a large windscreen on it, taller and a little wider with a vent. Highway pegs, particularly if you are taller as I am. A rack on the top box. Plus, I would add a custom seat. My preference is Corbin. I have found them to be very comfortable. I could ride from where I live in SoCal to Hollister, CA, where the factory is located, and have a custom seat made for myself and my wife and make a weekend of it.. I’ve used CorbIn on all my prior bikes. I only gave it up because of health issues (I have two different cancers, have been through heavy chemo and a stem cell transplant, and the neuropathy in my feet have cause a balance issue), otherwise I’d still be riding it (I just turned 74).

[@lawnranger3432]

I have ridden my K1600 GTL for 52,000 miles. Earlier this year, I took two different rides on the new Wing DCT. The K1600 definitely has more power, much stronger in a top gear roll on then the Wing. Although the K is 50 pounds lighter then the new Wing, the Honda is far more nimble and easier to maneuver then the K1600. After riding the GW, I got back on my K1600, it felt considerably heavier, The Gold Wing is rock solid on the 4 lane, where the BMW tends to move a bit. According to nearly every owner of the 2018 GW, the fuel mileage is better then the K1600, but the BMW has a larger fuel tank giving it a little more miles before a fuel stop. I would say the BMW is the sportier of the two bike, but the Wing gives more of a relaxing experience. Some talk about high maintenance cost on the BMW, I have not found that to be true. In any of its forms, the K1600 is a great bike and I highly recommend it. With that being said, I have a new Gold Wing DCT on order for spring 2019. I gotta try them all...…….

[@burnerjack01]

Lawn Ranger: I'm looking to pull the trigger on a new GTL soon. What's stopping me? Reports of questionable reliability and even more troubling are reports of BMW being a 'disingenuous' in regards to honoring its warranty claims. Honda, on the other hand, seems to have an excellent record of reliability as well as a more extensive dealer network. For me, the machine more suited to my riding style and tastes is the GTL. Therefore, I'm on the 'horns of a dilemma' as the saying goes. I would appreciate your input on this, if you would.

[@lawnranger3432]

john Hanrahan,....the problems most common with the K1600 have been water pumps and the handle bar switches, which in some cases, bad switches would not let the bike run. These problems were in the early K1600's up through probably 2015. Many K1600's had these two problems, including mine. They also had ignition coil problems which were updated in 2014.There were so many, it gave the K1600 and early reputation of unreliable. BMW replace my water pump and switches under warranty. I considered these minor problems as the bike has never let me down. The internet is a great place for information but it is also a place for all the whiners that gripe about everything. I have owned 3-1800 Gold Wings. When I first started following the GW forums, I was almost afraid to take the bike anyplace for fear it would breakdown, all because of the negative remarks from other GW owners on the forum. I never had a problem with any of the 3 Wings, 2001, 2003, and 2012. The K1600 is a great bike and I dare to say, with the power and A+ handling, more fun than the GW, you will love it.

[@burnerjack01]

@@lawnranger3432 A big thanks to you for your post! You've reaffirmed my conviction to order the bike and reaffirmed my faith that the Web isn't completely useless. All in one swell foop! Thanks again and maybe I'll see ya at one of the festivities.

[@TheKamar2]

there is only a small step from goldwing to motorhome

[@lawnranger3432]

@@TheKamar2...obviously you have not ridden the new Wing.

[@steves9293]

I have a 2008 GL1800 Goldwing and have taken very long trips on it 2-up with my wife. It is a great touring bike! We test rode the BMW K1600 and I liked the bike except for poor low speed stability (for example; navigating slowly through parking lots it was unstable and hard to hold safely upright 2-up) and my wife didn't like her seat as much as the Goldwing. I also didn't like the rear side box construction (very thin material and the cable stops were flimsy. The engine was very powerful! Summary; I'll stay with the Goldwing.

[@denniskarnes8680]

I've been a die hard Honda customer my entire 35 years riding, that being said, I own a K1600GT and nothing else compares, the wing is a Cadillac Escalade and the K1600 is a Porsche Cayenne.

[@benstabile8493]

@Scooteria Veloce I'm a software engineer, so you can't scare someone like me with the "computer on 2 wheels" argument. I love my K1600GT and I knew I wasn't buying into a "cheap" bike. I don't buy "cheap" laptops either. That said, I think the new GW is great also, and it also isn't "cheap". I will probably own BOTH one of these days when I decide to sell my FJR. My wife only allows me to own two bikes and two sports cars at a time. The problem is, I also like the new R1250 GSA (another computer on wheels). So many nice machines (thanks to great tech advances, I might add). \'-)

[@charlessadler1721]

@Scooteria Veloce Where did you get this information "All BMW bikes are prone to oil leaks after 2 to 3 years of riding and they all have electrical glitches"? Have you ever owned a BMW motorcycle?

[@osamabinladen824]

Dennis Karnes What does that even supposed to mean?

[@eduardomargutti]

@Scooteria Veloce Scooter MotoVlogs but it has a quick shifter dude

[@burnerjack01]

What about High Speed Stability? Mine worries me when I crank on it on the highway.

[@stewartwilliams2535]

I've had a 2006 Honda ST1300 since new in 2006. I love it. Love the range. Love the handling... similar to my 1998 VFR800. But I have been longing for the touring upgrade, like heated seat, heated grips, cruise control, nav... but retain the sport feel of the ST. Honda, in their wisdom, decided to to downgrade the Goldwing to fit it in as an upgraded ST. Didn't work. They not only lost storage capacity from the old GW, better in total when equipped with the Honda top box (curiously only available from the European market), but they sacrificed fuel capacity from 7.7 gallons on the ST to 5.5 gallons on the new GW. The last straw for me was a video posted in the Austin press release from early 2018 where EVERYONE rode the same bikes on the same routes with, seemingly, the same cameraman. Only ONE of those journalists had the audacity and the honesty to show what happens when the new GW was ridden aggressively into a turn. Over an over and over, the rider scraped underparts on fairly nonaggressive turns. That was the "no brainer" moment that sealed the deal from me on the BMW1600GTL. I bought the BMW in April 2018 and have loved every minute of it. It may be "long in the tooth," but if Grandpa is still eating steak and corn on the cob, he's a happy camper!

[@goldwingerppg5953]

Each to his own. The cost of ownership is definitely higher on the BMW. I’m amazed every time I get on my Goldwing how it handles for such a large bike and it’s much easier to drive then my Boulevard. It has more then enough get up and go even with two up. My wife likes riding on the GW too.

[@2404Pepe]

You didn't mention a lot of important things like you can lower it, get a lower sit, foot rest, back rest, and much more. It is true that those things are extras and a little expensive but if you like long rides, you can make it a very comfortable bike

[@northerniltree]

I owned a 2012 K1600GTL, and found that the center of gravity with a passenger was a big issue. Riding solo was not so bad.The luggage is mounted high up, as is the pillion. I felt unsteady at stops and lower speeds with a passenger. The performance was astounding, as was the fuel economy and range. I traded it in though for the K1600B which gives me the performance without the top heaviness. For two-up riding I have the new Yamaha Venture which I just added a trailer hitch to. The new Gold Wing is great, but I didn't like the smaller seat, smaller tank and reduced cargo. Every bike has it's strong and weak points. Which is why I settled on 2 bikes!

[@burnerjack01]

Have you brought K1600B up to speed? My neighbor bought one and said its a great bike except for the highway. Says it feels unstable at speed. I bought a GTL in December and just got to riding it. Sure enough, crosswinds are definitely "concerning" on the highway and doing a high speed run, say, around 100 or over, and it feels "twitchy". Twitchy to the point that I don't think I'd even try to go over a buck. My V-Strom (2004) would go maybe 120 and while ya gotta "pay attention", it was 'doable'. The Beemer makes me feel less confident than it should. Very disappointing. Maybe a tire change is in order(?). On the other hand, day-to-day riding, state highways and backroads is great, ultimately 'flickible', amazingly so for a big tourer. Any comments about the experiences yo have with your bike would be appreciated.

[@christschool]

I would say this is a pretty good review. I bought this bike last year. Its very powerful and very fun in the mountains. However, when you get on the highway, its not as stable as you would think and tends to drift a little bit which means you'll have to pay attention. Raw power on this bike is incredible and I do like the sportier seating. Ideally, I'd like to have both this bike and the wing. I believe the GW is better suited for highway and the BMW is better suited for everywhere else. The bikes excel in different environments.

[@navcop33]

Just last week I test rode K1600GTL and a Honda Goldwing DCT right afterwards. Took the same test ride for both bikes. I am 6'4" and the K1600 definitely fit me much better. I own a 2009 Ultra Classic which I am keeping. I am looking for a sport/touring machine. I have been researching the Goldwing and the Beemer but until the other day, never rode a K1600. The fit, the feel, much better storage, more fuel capacity, and just plain freakin fun to ride won me to the beemer. I am looking forward to getting one in the near future!

[@Mtthwpez]

That engine tone would never get old!

[@oklahomahank2378]

If you put the DCT Goldwing in sport mode it is a beast. Most people who ride it that hard, though, will want a better suspension. The suspension is nice for cruising.

[@duanesmith5074]

Maybe you should look at the evaluation of the Goldwing and the GTL actually on a track the Goldwing was more than a minute slower with the same driver

[@zunaidkajee4540]

Are you reviewing the goldwing or the k1600? Like reviewing a fine Porsche, and keep mentioning VW beetle.

[@austinman1234567]

I had a K1200LT the predecessor to the K1600. The weight was what eventually made me change to an R1200RT. Every time I stopped I was watching for gravel that my foot could slip on, resulting in the bike being on it's side. The R1200RT is much less stressful in that respect. That said, these big bikes (K1600, Goldwing) are a great way to tour. One other thought, service costs; there is a lot of plastic on these bikes and it takes time to remove. If you aren't doing the work yourself you are paying someone a lot of money to remove and refit the fairings.

[@michaelbayliss1794]

Have to agree with you on the lighter R1200RT. Traded my RT in for my GT , found the RT is better on the curves .The GT is fun to ride tho .

[@andrewd7586]

Nice Gold Wing review! 🤪

[@douglasstrain5251]

The Goldwing was not meant to be a sport bike but now as of the 2018 it is and is no longer in my mind a full "Touring" bike. One just can't sit back and stretch out your legs and hit the cruise. A " Touring" bike is meant to take your time and enjoy looking at the scenery not to race by it in a blur. Now there are only 4 MFG's that make the big bikes ( Harley, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Indian).

[@brad_Ca]

I love it when you do these demo/review videos.

[@markpaton9731]

How can you run the K1600 down dude???? I have lived with mine for 3 years...together we have done over 45k miles.... (I ride daily!!)..... been from UK, to Holland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Italy and Spain and France.... so damn good!!!! the Goldwing would struggle with fuel capacity!... For me the BMW K1600 GTL wins in every way.. and thank God its not a goldwing

[@chadman256]

In my country they use this motor as a police motor

[@daroldelio4752]

In france too

[@Samuel-qe9lj]

I think Hongkong too

[@SamuelSandres]

Indonesia too

[@JoeMama-qd1tw]

@@SamuelSandres Indonesia mostly use the fjr1300p, r1200rt, and r1200gs. There will be only 50 unit of k1600b in the police force

[@lance3613]

In Huston, Texas USA they use the 2018/2019 Goldwing

[@raybelcher6574]

Im 29 years old and never been a motorcycle guy but i had to get a moped when I lost my car and i never knew how two wheels feel and now i got the bug lol its crazy that a 50cc moped started it and i cant wait to be able to get some real speed anyhow love your vids man especially the ruckus i love the oddball bikes keep it up

[@2404Pepe]

So true Dennis!!! nothing compares to the RT or K models, they're the way they ment to be, lighter, faster, super tech, low consumption, and so on. I own an 1200RT cause is light compared to the advantages it has. Love it

[@cliff8675]

Love the K1600. I went shopping at the beginning of the year for a bike to get back into riding. I found a K1600 and it reminded me so much of the CBX I used to ride. I ended up with an R1200RT (price, pure and simple) and it is a great ride. I'll have a K1600 some day, but first I have to clean out the garage a bit to have room to park it beside the RT.

[@rumporridge1]

Clifford J. Summers Sr. I have a 2014 RT and it’s the best bike I’ve ever had. And I had a lot. Nothing bad can be said about the RT. Hits all the buttons as far as I’m concerned. Mine is parked next to my 2015 K1300S Motorsport. One two punch is awesome. After retirement in 10 yrs I want a CVO Road Glide to round out the stable.

[@robertborchert932]

Inline sixes are Supreme. I had two CBXs, a silver 81 and the pearl white 82, in the day I had both at the same time. BMW should have produced a svelte pure sport version similar to the CBX super sport, that would have been impressive.

[@rainbow6sigeclips248]

Make wallpapers of ur bikes for our screen savers please

[@hakandemiraytv]

Naturally, people can compare the motobikes such as K1600 GTL and Goldwing but the most important thing is what peoples expactations? Therefore no one can say this is better than the other. If i need a bigger gas tank or high speed ok thats my choise... it doesn't make it worse or insufficieny than the other.

[@michaelbayliss1794]

Very well put .

[@stephenscott1518]

I've ridden so many different bikes and have mostly owned sport bikes. Love carving up a turn. But I also ride it to work on the freeway. (The balancing act with the tires, ha.) About 250K miles on bikes. For over 15 years I've been following sport touring for my wife and I. I'm 55 now and want to tour with her and still carve it up. At first, I was set on the Honda ST1100. The GW was always in my mind but I've ridden older versions and didn't like the weight and living room feel and turn clearance. Plus, people turn them into 3-wheelers and pull trailers. Unbelieveable. No offense, but that isn't me. Then I heard about the K1600 GT and GTL and 5 years ago I decided to get one, even after many rides on Road Kings and Ultra Limiteds. (Beautiful bikes but not me.) Nope, I'm saving for the BMW. So this past August, I did it. I bought the 2020 K1600GTL, fully loaded. 160 HP and 130 ft/lb of torque. I got it in black but I wanted blue but there was only 1 in the USA (NH and I'm in CA). I looked at the revised GW and read the reviews (didn't ride it). The GW is a much better looking bike than the GTL but if that were my main concern, I'd of bought the HD Ultra Limited. No, what I bought it for is exactly what it does. Everything is so well designed and put together. I really hope it's dependable because this bike is amazing. Simply amazing. I get about 39 mpg, has so much power and control. Went up the coast to Oregon to visit friends. Very stable in the turns along PCH. I feel the weight when I stop, but nothing at 5 mph and absolutely smooth at triple digits. I'm spoiled for any other bike. If you love to ride and you've ridden bikes for many years, I can't imagine you not loving the GTL. Keeping the rubber down.

[@nogetandet790]

New dash on that BMW, and that would be the winner. So if you are get the chance to ride the bmw s1000 xr. I'm sure a lot of people would love to hear your opinion of that bike. Thanks for the vids.

[@mirovaisanen3665]

Yeaa ride that one i have ridden it

[@EuroBikerUK]

+ point for the k1600 is you can cruise to the B500 in the Black Forest then open it up a race through those glorious back road bends. Touring in Europe is about getting to the mountain passes and then having fun.

[@gmcphoto]

Both bikes are excellent machines. I really struggled as I was split down the middle. In the end the lack of storage and fuel capacity pushed me away from the Honda. These are touring machines but the Beemer is simply more capable.

[@Otterbruce]

I have the GT it's a lil bit more sporty of a ride. Yet comfortable enough for touring. Love the review.

[@davidjohn5791]

I have been riding gold wings for 30 years now, recently test rode a 2018 k1600gt awesome bike but no contest as a tourer more a superbike. the wing wins hands down no contest as a tourer. I am talking GL1800 i think Honda has got it a bit wrong with the latest wings.

[@shoomapadoo1141]

The 1600 BMW sounds awesome with the right exhaust. Most riders prefer the sound over any other bike. Truth.

[@2wheelsgene171]

Dude. You’re a great rider. I saw it right away on the GTL video.

[@ph0ib0s1]

Owned 3 different BMW's in the past. One of them was K1200. I've tested the K1600 and K1200RT too. In general excellent engines, very good suspensions, very well tuned sporty bikes. If it has to be a BMW, I would go for the K1200RT. Does the job as well, but gives overall a more satisfying and relaxing experience. You like to have it more sporty, get a second proper sport bike and not a clunky 6 cylinder. Buy BMW's models which have been for at least 3 years on the market. BMW does not test their new models sufficiently and most of the problems are with the parts from the suppliers. BMW builds the engine and the frame, everything else comes from suppliers. The German biker magazine MOTORRAD, which does 50'000 Km reliability tests and is absolutely biased towards BWM, had in the past few years several BMW's falling apart. K1300GT - Clutch basked disintegrated while driving on highway. R1200GS, 2 bikes tested, both didn't manage to survive. Gear boxes falling apart destroying the engine. Current R1200GS was so bad (30% of customers had serious complains) that 3 years after first release they had to switch the gearbox vendor and redesign the drive train. Currently I own a Honda VFR, made 40'000 km on it and had not even one issue. Sure, Hondas are not as sporty as BMW's, get a decent chip-tuning and the fun is back.

[@benstabile8493]

Are you REALLY saying that 6 cylinder engine is "CLUNKY"? Don't be ridiculous, by all accounts (including mine) it's the smoothest engine there is on a sport-tourer. Now, the transmission and drive chain might be another matter. But I think even "agricultural" is pushing it in that regard.

[@ph0ib0s1]

@@benstabile8493 Yeah, you right. I used the wrong term. I had the K1600 for a day and the engine was very smooth, pulling like a train.

[@Boxer1250RT]

I am afraid if they upgrade they would take away the Beautifully screaming "6" and replace with some Lawn Mover engine. The Engine / Transmission combo is and absolute best!

[@tibortoczauer7985]

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. If you want the sportiest touring bike, get the GTL. It's very good on the highway and when you get to the twisties you'll have a blast. If you want something that feels rock steady as the miles drone on and has a better stereo, get the Wing... or an Indian Chieftain... or a Harley Whichever Glide.

[@benstabile8493]

Wrong! If you want the sportiest touring bike get the GT!

[@tibortoczauer7985]

@@benstabile8493 WRONG yourself. The GT is considered SPORT Touring. I was talking about FULL luxury touring. By the way... slightly lower bars and slightly higher pegs don't make it sportier than the GTL... that's just your imagination.

[@roadglide]

Love the look. BMW takes a different approach to motorcycle aesthetics which is truly unique. What this bike’s needs though is backlit handlebar switches for night riding and a TFT screen. The analogue gauges are dated. Agree on the new generation Gold Wing too. In Sport mode the Gold Wing’s 122 HP at low RPM is a trip. Whack that throttle it’s a beast. You need to revisit that bike.

[@MrRamman04]

The Goldwing is so much better looking, the BMW bodywork is just weird to look at in certain angles, the Goldwing keeps you out of trouble while this thing can get you into some sticky situations because of the fun factor of the motor, both bikes will put a smile on your face at the end of a long day of riding

[@benstabile8493]

The new GW is really beautiful, for sure. But I personally think the K16GT is the most beautiful bike I have ever seen or ridden. But who knows what drives that kind of attraction for any individual? It's just a subjective thing and thank goodness we have the choice. There are lots of beautiful bikes these days, and not all of them are as expensive as the GW or the K16s.

[@BigDaddySam]

I've both bikes, 2020 BMW K1600 GTL with the option 719 pkg. and I also have a 2018 Honda Goldwing DCT. The difference is if you're looking for a sport ride and speed the BMW all day long. The Goldwing has some serious speed also but you need to be in the sport mode. The Goldwing is the best bike in my opinion for long distance if the trunk and the saddlebags could hold more gear, that said the BMW is the best all around bike. The Beemer has a larger fuel capacity at 7.0gal and a lot more trunk and saddlebag space. You can also remove the trunk and saddlebags. I took the trunk off and the saddlebags off and was able to hit 140 mph on the Beemer in 6th gear, I need to leave it in 5th gear and see what it can do. Bottom line you can't go wrong with either bike, it all depends on your personal preference. The BMW will cost you $10,000 more than the Goldwing. Enjoy your ride no matter what you ride.

[@Enonymouse_]

The only area where Honda even has a chance of getting ahead of BMW's K16 is entirely due to the DCT and it's very simple shifting system. I ride a K16 GT, it's amazing. 680 pounds (after i've made a few modifications) fully fueled. I average 250-260 miles at refuel which I do just before the reserve comes up. Reserve leaves me with another 40 miles approximately.

[@stevoone342]

Last year I was choosing between new goldwing and the K1600 GA. and whent with the K GA due to it’s amazing caperbilitys even if the dash is out dated, I still like it. Also the price difference fully specked was better for K. And the Customer Service has been first class. And she till this day gives me the biggest smile and cannot believe I own her. I’ve even had goldwing riders stop and look at her.. But the goldwing is equally a very nice bike but the smaller tank and luggage is the biggest turn off for me. Good vid 👍

[@jt.4930]

From a guy that owns a BMW k1600 gtl, Goldwing, Harley street glide and a Indian Roadmaster. My take is they're all different in terms of riding, style, feel, looks, etc. I tend to ride my Goldwing two-up going on trips. The BMW is for me to travel by myself and hit the road in a sporty feel. The Harley and Indian just basically cruising and being noticed, haha. Overall, if I could keep one bike. I keep the BMW. Goldwing nice but doesn't get the wow effect like when I ride the BMW.

[@Enonymouse_]

You spend more time figuring out that bike's electronic crap than i did when I first got mine. All I did was get it on the road and worry about the other stuff later. You should take the time to properly get to know the important functions that will definitely change your perspective of how the bike really performs, like the ride modes and the dynamically adjustable suspension (something you can do while riding). Changing the pre-load settings on the k16's suspension will quiet down it's ride at speeds.

[@yepme6484]

Prices is what help me to make the decision on which on, also the distance on next fill and miles per gallon. First part of this year I will be making a decision .

[@isaacmorris9357]

love your videos man. keep it up dude

[@InsanityHere]

TWO WORDS/PHRASES THAT SHOULD NEVER BE IN THE SAME SENTENCE ARE : BMW AND SHAKE AROUND A BIT. YOU'LL HEAR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT IN THIS VIDEO

[@deekando1068]

Where is the walk around, don't know anything about this bike but guess I know more about the Goldwing because you never stopped talking about it, c` mon mate a bit more in-depth review would do.

[@zunaidkajee4540]

I had the new 2018 goldwing dct, and sold it for the GTL option 719 within a month. The goldwing felt like a huge scooter, which is also speed limited, btw. The goldwing never ignited my senses, which is why I ride a bike in the first place. In south Africa, we dont even get nav on the goldwing, and according to gw forums, everyone is complaining about how crappy the nav is on the goldwing. So for south africa, that huge screen was only used to see what radio station you arw dialled into. As for car play, it was a nightmare. It kept disconnecting all the time (a Honda problem which everyone is having worldwide). You say the bike looks dated, you should have a look at the option 719, with the forged wheels and brown diamond stitched seats. It looks classy, well built and expensive. We also get a 3 year unlimited mileage warranty on our BMW's, and that's good enough for me, although I know riders that have had 1600's since 2012 with over 100000 km and no major problems reported.

[@tech_45]

That bike sounds incredible.

[@HHUGGER]

Before buying, I compared 3 Touring Motorcycles: (1) 2016 H-D Ultra Limited CVO, (2) 2016 Honda Goldwing, and (3) the 2016 BMW K1600 GTLE. 1. Power (CV-rpm): 96 to 5010 - 118 to 5500 - "160" to 7750 rpm (the most powerful). 2. Torque (Nm): 165 to 3750 - 169 to 4000 and "175" to 5250 rpm (Greater Torque). Note: more than 70% of maximum torque available from JUST 1500 RPM. (122,5 Nm) 3. Weight (kgs): 416 - 417 and "348" (the lightest). 4. Total Length (mm): 2600 - 2630 and "2489" (the shortest). 5. Wheelbase (mm): 1626 - 1689 and "1608" (the shortest wheelbase). I decided on the 2016 BMW K1600 GTLE. It is a rocket, agile, fast, powerful, esthetic, EXCLUSIVE Character, elegant, stylized, smooth, grave without scraping the asphalt, etc. For all that, I chose it. I am very satisfied. One pearl: CYCLEWORD REVIEWS: [Comparative-Report 2018.] - 2018 HONDA GOLD WING TOUR VS. BMW K1600B GRAND AMERICA. By Zack Courts and Ari Henning - PUBLISHED ON AUGUST 1, 2018. FUENTE: www.cycleworld.com/2018-honda-gold-wing-tour-vs-bmw-k1600b-grand-america?fbclid=IwAR2XOaRBdfRnuhmX3AJ059645ZyIMCftZOwNxg8qWZsSos6auilDkwzgsOc#page-13 Two bikes, 12 cylinders, 48 valves, 250 liters of luggage, and 1,000 miles [VIDEO] 2018 Honda Gold Wing Tour vs. 2018 BMW K1600 Grand America - On Two Wheels kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmHLp2OEetuLjas Motorcyclist Magazine. Published on august 27, 2018.

"Shakes in the wind...(12:16)" That, plus the "top heavy" feel are the reasons I traded my BMW for a pre-2018 Goldwing. Just don't need that on the interstate, and 165hp is absolutely wasted on American highways. The K1600 is an Autobahn cruiser made in Germany for Germany.

[@mpaz-cz8iz]

Have a shot every time he says Goldwing. Party!

[@joshmxvi]

I have absolutely no interest in touring bikes but I love your touring bike videos lol

[@dennism103]

I'm sure it's a badass bike. I use to say I ride BMW's because I can't afford a Harley.

[@theonlyredspecial]

Just found this video. I enjoyed your thoughts you are good to listen to. Best From Ireland !

[@writerideright632]

6 cylinders of pure joy... but its a freaking huge monster. i ride a b-king and i feel the k1600 is huge

[@GotLove4All]

That's funny!!! I remember when I accidentally hit the language select button on the atm machine!! Caught hell trying to get my card back!! LOL

[@jeremysmith9696]

that dog was adorable. Great review!

[@beardeddad74]

I am looking for a nice bike for me and my wife. The Gold Wing came up as the 1st touring bike. I took one out this weekend and it rides nice, it's comfortable, sporty looking, and most of all feels light. One MAJOR drawback for me is that Honda SHRUNK the heck out of the bags. You can fit one full face helmet in the rear trunk, the right saddle bag is tiny (because of the drive shaft) and the left bag isn't much bigger. Honda is off the list just because of the storage on the new bike. Still searching for a bike but the Indian Chieftan is next on the list.

[@kdkd693]

If you can handle a second hand bike, the Victory Cross Country Tour is a better touring bike than the Indian, plus its a bargain at 1/2 the price these days. Also had the largest panniers/top box capability of all (41.4gal = 156 Litres)

[@stano5102]

Check out the FJR 1300. I went from a st1100 to the Yamaha. Added a top case that fits 2 full sized helmets, side cases fit them also. Fabulous machine. Lots of power, great cornering. All the electronics I need. Great cross country bike and a screamer on the highway.

[@beardedbiker2647]

Jeffrey G I just picked up a concours 14 at a great price and my wife loves it...

[@stevegiac]

Great review. I'd like a comparison of seat comfort (long riding 8 hrs+) older goldwing vs 2018 vs K1600.

[@parkersachs2958]

The 1200RT has the same power to weight ratio if you wanted a lighter one.

[@alexsystems2001]

Thank you! You are making my decision even harder! 😂 the only thing is you left it a little confusing. You said the goldwing less fuel, less power etc but you’d still take it. I am seeing the goldwing as less fuel, less horsepower, less storage, less wind protection, more money... but everyone says the same thing in their reviews they would take the goldwing. I don’t get it! 🤣

[@cmoerob]

if that can help you, I rented the 2019 DCT GW for a day and if you're alone it is verry fun to drive and stable at any speed, and easy to handle at low speed. if you want more power, you change to SPORT mode but my wife hated the back seat, no rails to hang on, small top case and bags, GPS is verry hard to use and no touch screen. This is why I'm looking at BMW comments ;-)

[@cyclechris6591]

I have the 2016 F6B goldwing with upgraded suspension . That garmin nav is better than the newest wings. The goldwing old and new versions need the suspension upgraded. The stock springs can’t even support the bike off the side stand. The bmw is faster and has better suspension stock. But a wing with traxxion dynamics suspension or equivalent is the ultimate touring machine. I’ve been cross country 3 times and would not trade my F6B for a new one or the K1600. Bmw has a Great motor though heavy. The flat 6 honda gets that weight down low.

[@patw9175]

Holy shit the noise this thing makes is something else!

[@tonycdot]

Opinion is everything, sooooo! I guess we have different opinions on this, Ill take my Goldwing.

[@rutkowsky1000]

hi john here i was looking at a goldwing not a new one any where from 2012 to 2017 but this bmw GTL has caught my attention how was it over all

[@dougweeks9288]

My buddy with 50 yrs of motorcycle experience and numerous bikes owned has had 2 of these , the transmission failed on both of them , the first one cost him $9000 out of pocket . The 2nd unit was replaced under warranty and with the other issues that needed repair the dealers bill to BMW was $17,000 . No sa habla BMW

[@y4nnickschmitt]

Goldwing, Goldwing, Goldwing... Just buy one already.

[@geraldfrieberg7921]

Sorry...WAY, way too much gear whine and tires that sing.

[@olli_k]

Add some highway pegs on a K1600GTL and you have an incredible machine for long distance rides.

[@travelinben1966]

All things considered,I think the Wing is the better choice.

[@TheMatrixcube]

Good revieuw... One thing i must say tough... The bike has been updated a lot .. there are twogenerations of k1600. On the second generation,mufflers are different, front rake , ecu-map, and small changes to the valvetrain Not much exterior tho

[@kdkd693]

When did the 2nd gen come out? And are the improvements drastically better?

[@benstabile8493]

@@kdkd693 From 2017 onwards, the throttle mapping is muted. I have the 2016 and it is wickedly quick to rev. With an aftermarket tune, the later models can be restored to awesomeness. And all the newer features (Shift-Assist-Pro, Reverse, etc.) are great additions. I will happily upgrade once they refresh a few things: hopefully a little better technology will go into the dash/GPS integration, wind management, drive-chain lash, better speakers or optional use of that wasted space (for those who don't use it), and … (well I guess that's all I have for now ;-).

[@chrissmith7669]

I’m torn between the GT and GTL. I do prefer the more forward body posture of the GT but don’t know about it on long trips. The menus in German is a plus to me. :-)

[@wesmagyar]

That is my dream bike right there

[@tanzilchaudhary2268]

Nice hopefully you'll get one, mine is a ducati desmo rr

[@TheRothka12306]

I like the way you ride. And the review was great. I understand the top case on the new Honda can’t handle 2 full face helmets. That’s a negative for me.

[@RobRytHun]

I tried the GT-edition. Sadly I fell in love with it. Too bad it's 350000+ Norwegian Kroner... (Thats about $42 500) FML. Didn't mention that I rode it like I stole it!

[@benstabile8493]

I don't think there's anything "sad" about it. Unless you really did end up stealing it.

[@avoidingtrees6692]

I own one a k1600. Be aware of the weak starter Wheels bearings Very poor Blinkers buttons

[@rodanderson1922]

I have not ridden either an 1800cc Gold Wing, or a K1600 BMW, BUT, I have owned a 1500cc Honda Goldwing, and I currently own a BMW K1200LT, which is purportedly the bike that forced Honda to release the 1800 GW earlier than planned, and if I were in the market for a new Full Dress Touring bike, I would ride both, but I think I would still buy the BMW?

[@sarwan9362]

that camera view is good bro

[@marcuslane5481]

This one don’t sound like a civic either😂😂

[@kleinbottled79]

Yeah that BMW straight 6 sounds pretty nice when he gets on the throttle. Probably would make the choice based on that alone personally. I'm a sucker for good sound.

[@denniskarnes8680]

@@kleinbottled79 I have a 2013 K1600 GT and when your on the throttle at highway speed, it sounds exactly like a Porcshe 911.

[@Tukker607]

@@denniskarnes8680 yeah I also think it sounds like a Porsche 911. Amazing

[@mattivirta]

@@Tukker607 yes,sad sound have than porche but bike have than moscwitsh or lada. haha

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

Yeah. Welcome to the K1600. It's a BAD mamajama. The Garmin/BMW navigation is great. Since it IS detachable, you bring it inside and upload routes from Garmin Basecamp; much more practical for a touring bike that a built-in nav system like the Goldwing. Frankly I don't know what Honda was thinking with the 2018 re-design. The new Hossack front suspension is the only notable; everything else is either meh or a fail (smaller gas tank AND smaller luggage space? c'mon Honda).

[@benstabile8493]

Yes, I agree. But I still always have an X-Grip mount for my phone, and mostly use Google Maps on a daily basis (lots of commuting on those technical bumper-to-bumper twisties). On my K-16, I like the media app, and I check the info pages to watch as the bike overheats (listening to Wagner, of course). Oh, well.

[@mattrowe6394]

It also depends if you want one bike that does everything (not just Touring) I seriously considered this bike but on seeing it in person I thought 'this thing is massive' and went for the FJR, have you ridden one of these?

[@benstabile8493]

The FJR is a great bike. I own both an FJR and a K16GT and I highly recommend either, depending on what you prefer. But both of them are pretty heavy. More importantly, perhaps, both of them are a bit wide and require you to set your feet out to the side a bit, making them seem taller. The K16 has some seat height options but it's somewhat heavier than the FJR. So with either bike, treat them with respect and be safe. They are not toys for little boys (or girls). And I don't mean that in any way disparagingly. Both of these bikes are pretty dangerous if you can't exercise full control over that weight, height, and power.

[@markrashleigh7018]

Liked your review, seemed an honest unbias review. Would like your view on BMW K1600 Grand america

[@trailerparksupervisor7046]

Unbiased? This whole review was fake news

[@libertyroads7342]

You should try out the new BMW R1250RT, it carries the weight much lower and feels better in the corners. I currently ride the older R1150RT.

[@mooiboyace]

That 6-cyl sound though

[@GDamdam]

FYI on BMW bikes you can disable the cruise control without having to use the switch next to the warning button. You can either: Pull the clutch just a tiny bit Change gear using the quickshifter Brake Rotate the throttle the opposite way « beyond the zero position », there’s like a 2mm play that disables the cruise control too I just love that attention to details :)

[@someonesomewheresomdeday]

I know i'll be chastized, but ride an ultra limited from hd. I loved wings too, sold a couple... but i never fell in love with the robotic personality. HD was like an old friend from the first ride.

[@motonosity]

Not familiar at all with the different HD models, but I'll be riding a HD soon!

[@someonesomewheresomdeday]

@@motonosity good on ya man. Theyre not the best at anything. But they're fun.

[@sdefiel3719]

I've ridden a '12 1600 and a last gen Goldwing and my fav is by far a Harley Ultra Limited. Yeah, not the best at all ... or most things, but just plain fun and friendly and feels damn good.

[@330dave]

I ride an HD Ultra Classic, after years of metrics and mostly sport types. I've considered, and come close to pulling the trigger on the K1600, but chose the Ultra since I do as much maintenance and mods on my own, but mostly like you perfectly stated, "HD was like an old friend from the first ride." There's a reason even Baskin Robbins has 31 flavors. Haters can check themselves at the door.

[@BobJones20001]

I've never owned an HD and my only road bike is a pure commuter so I'm more about year round mile munching than what you describe. I like it though, you are focusing on the essence of why we ride rather than what we ride. A big like from me.

[@adrenalinejunkeee45]

If you like that BMW... try out the Multistrada. I just got into touring bikes and coming from riding sport bike the Ducati does wonders. Check it out.

[@benstabile8493]

For some of us, chain drive is a deal-breaker. Other than that, I would own a Multi in a heartbeat. But of course, it just wouldn't be the same with a shaft drive. Still, I sat on one at the dealership today and smiled. It's a nice bike. But I rode home on my K16 and was happy I didn't have to oil anything after my all day excursion.

[@osamabinladen824]

He's riding a BMW bike but he's talking about the GoldWing all the way.

[@michaelbayliss1794]

Hard to review another bike when you have such hard on for a Gold Wing . He should learn more about a bike before he gives us his opinion. There both great bikes , ones just bit sportier and more fun to drive .

[@Rambler358]

Did you get a chance to ride the new Gold Wing in sport mode? I think you'll find the acceleration to be a bit quicker than in tour mode, and maybe that'll be another point in your decision making between the 2 bikes.

[@denniskarnes8680]

It wouldn't compare to the K, it has 160HP and 129LB FT of torque, it pulls like a sports bike and wheelies just as easy. Imo, they are in two different categories. The wing is a luxury SUV with two wheels and the BMW is a 750il with two wheels.

[@Rambler358]

Dennis Karnes - the Wing makes its torque down low, where the K has it higher. This gives you better low end pull on the Wing compared to the K. But the K has it beat on the mid-range on up.

[@burnerjack01]

@@Rambler358 70% of the Beemer's torque comes on at 1500 rpm. On a bike that's 20 -80 lbs. lighter. That's about 90 lbft @ 1500 for both bikes. So, I guess I don't see the GW pulling harder. In fact, considering the weight difference, if anything, I would expect the GTL to pull harder.

[@lawnranger3432]

@@Rambler358 …..you are correct on the Wings low end torgue. 108 ft lbs below 800 RPMs. I thought the Wing would pull harder then the K1600 down low, but it doesn't and I'm not sure why. The BMW will run away from the Wing in a top gear 60 mph roll on. I tried it twice with different bikes. The K1600 has the power everywhere.

[@Nickel8237]

I WAS also excited about the K1600, specifically the "B", until I asked about scheduled maintenance (other than the normal fluid, brakes and tires that one can do on their own)costs. Ridiculous. It makes no sense to me that a machine targeted at the high mileage touring rider has a valve train that requires a periodic engine out valve adjustment ($1200 worth).

[@MyYTwatcher]

That is why people choose RT instead.

[@billbanche4605]

Engine does NOT have to come out on the K1600 for valve adjustment. There are youtube vids of valve adjustment on the K1600's, done just like dealers are SUPPOSED to do it. Plastic has to come off as does the radiator. And not all dealers know what they are doing, true for ANY brand motorcycle, cars & trucks. (I'm a auto tech for over 50 years, worked at dealers a lot). The local dealer is very good where I am.

[@The_Touring_Jedi]

Honda ST1300 85.000miles and valves never checked. Mpg is the same as new one. BMW looks awesome but if i could buy BMW wirt Honda engine that would be a Jackpot.

[@lensmith1870]

Better go ride the new FJR Yamaha 1300 Sport Touring bike you will fall in love

[@martinabest5801]

I'd compare the Goldwing to a Bentley. Comfort personified. We still have our 20 year old GW. Sadly, we've reached an age where riding and touring is physically challenging for us 2 old timers. 😢 our minds think we're still 20 but our bodies are saying HELL NO you're in your 60's you 2 twits. Comes from living and enjoying life and hurting too many body parts over the years.

[@MigotRen]

I dont know about the Staates but here in Europe i think most bikers would go for the Bmw rather than the Goldwing. The roads are generally more twisty, bearly any longer straights. I would call the way we ride here overall more active and mountain passes like in the Alps play a key role for the Touring bikers from all over europe. The more nimble and sportier Bmw would just be better for these straights and Hairpins. Also, the Goldwing's name just isn't as big here as it is in america.

[@jamesbeaudin1939]

I can tell you do not know very much about this GTL given how long it took you to just get it started. AND your comments about the Navigator shows at complete lack of understanding that it is not just a rebadged Garmin but it actually integrates with the bikes controls and provides more detailed engine performance and operating information (Engine Temp, voltage, mpg, odometer etc. etc. etc.) and this is besides the info that can be toggled through the main BMW control panels! Also the navigator can be removed from this bike and connected to your home computer to load new LIFETIME maps and set up your touring rides. So Please learn more about the bike and control before giving such a poor quick review!

[@zunaidkajee4540]

I could not agree with you more. It was really unfortunate that the reviewer did not take a few minutes to learn what the nav unit can actually do. He also fails to understand that, the unit can be used in a motor vehicle as well, and also be transferred from one bike to another. That is brilliant from BMW. What happens a year down the line when the Honda nav unit gets outdated, you sit with a bike that has a huge tft display that has no purpose. With bmw, when they come out with a new unit, you just change the unit, not the bike! He also has no idea that you can fit a sd card fully loaded with music files that play through the bike or helmets in the nav unit, and everything gets displayed on the screen. Telephone calls and info can also be routed through the nav unit. Very poor homework was done by the reviewer.

[@cmoerob]

@@zunaidkajee4540 Also, the GW's gps sucks big time, useless, maybe it is better if you have an Iphone with carplay? but they don't include the phone with the bike :-D

[@elmerfudd2402]

Hands down!

[@DjSkipAlexander]

Sweet ride

[@kunalmehtas2011]

Just a few days back my friend who owns this bike was coming back from our raid trip and the throttle of this bike died on us while riding and the when researched we found out that the throttle at 18000 to 25000 km fails . That’s the life span of this bikes throttle . It’s sad as we were on the highway and the bike just refused to move all of a sudden .

[@rosssutherland2457]

Hi, Could you try and review the BMW R1250GS please? They are popular as touring bikes in the UK & Europe and I'd be interested in your opinion when comparing a tourer and an enduring tourer

[@mqbitsko25]

Apparently you weren't comparing against the current Wing.

[@jlegresley]

Tx for the review, however, hard to accept those kinds of hypotheticals, ex. IF the Goldwing had a bigger tank, (it doesn't), IF it had more power, Sorry, but again, it does't... Got to decide on the characteristics of what they have, not what they don't....

[@o-manthomas4284]

Goldwings are still the best

[@geraldfrieberg7921]

Too much gear whine. I'd rather hear the engine.