Better to agree to Taliban conditions for talks than not to talk at all? | DW News

The UN's political chief has said the Taliban cannot be a part of the international community until they do more for women and girls in Afghanistan. Under-Secretary-General Rosemary DiCarlo delivered that message following a UN-led meeting on Afghanistan held in the Qatari capital Doha. Taliban leaders were invited to attend for the first time since their return to power in 2021. The government they formed has cracked down on women's freedoms, leading to a situation that human rights groups have described as "gender apartheid."
00:00 Life for women under Taliban
02:44 Pashtana Durrani, LEARN Afghan
08:24 Mariam Safi, Organization for Policy Research and Development Studies
13:52 Nazenin Wali, DW Dari & Pashto Service
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[@Kirk1914]

No aid. No talks. Nothing. The population surrendered to the Taliban. Let the country go backwards in time.

[@krollpeter]

They did arrive already in medieval times. But then, it is even more important to listen to reports from there and keep us all updated. Religious (and political) extremism is always bad.

[@m-billa]

The UN has been overrun by Is lamists. Defund the UN.

[@christinelapping7903]

I think you will find at least 50% of the population didn't surrender but they had no power.

[@elhamhemat572]

The guns were taken by the US military from the local people because they couldn't identify between a normal person and the Taliban, but instead, the Americans gave us assurance that they would never leave or re-armed us if they were leaving. they didn't and just handed the government to the Taliban and gave them guns so you tell me how can locals not surrender?

[@SonnyDarvishzadeh]

How can a population surrender?

[@Blodhelm]

We don't need to talk to them at all. The Taliban wants food and money because they suck at governing and no longer have America to prop them up. They want international help without having to conform to international norms. All we have to do it say no. They can adapt or go it alone. It's their choice, they have to live with the consequences. Maybe they can ask their new Russian friends for help instead?

[@ImmuneToTrollHate]

Totally agree If the Taliban wants the U.S. to feed the Afghan people then they shouldn't have blown up everything that we built in Afghanistan for 20 years We've given that country enough money and they even got a lot of our military hardware that we gave to the Afghan military who dropped their weapons and ran away

[@AhmadAli-ez8db]

These so-called 'women activists' have never been chosen by Afghan women who receive financial aid from the international community to run ghost schools. These individuals have built careers on Afghan women's rights and education but have done nothing for Afghan women. The most effective way to address the issues facing Afghan women is to engage directly with the current administrators.

[@AbdulKadir-qs4jz]

​@@AhmadAli-ez8db❤

[@mohammadakter6370]

​@@ImmuneToTrollHate what a imaginary life living these american..! 😂😂 Is education really too much costly in usa.?😢😢

[@polycarp9897]

The food is for the starving women and children and the money is for those who are sick in hospitals without medicines. Would you punish Afghan women and children because the US failed to build a credible army to defend the them after 20 years and trillions of dollars spent?

[@mugin11223344]

We shouldn't talk to them, when they treat half the population so badly.

[@arafatahmed6344]

Who cares about your thought!

[@joni8090]

Education enlightens people including Leaders not DEATH !

[@Botman1234]

@@arafatahmed6344chill habibi your goats will remain safe

[@AbdulKadir-qs4jz]

Who cares your thought!!😂

[@mohammadakter6370]

Let's exchange your treating women "german police kicking, choking women for going Against german values(genocide,warcrime)" to Taliban's treating women..!

[@galemartin9155]

As a father of daughters, as a husband and as a son. I will give the Taliban no consideration.

[@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla]

Psycho thinking of controlling others to satisfied you ideology. You are exposed.

[@zoltaniii9534]

It’s the Taliban, it’s what they do!

[@rashid.ahmed786]

Western autocracy+Western Human rights+Western media=Killing of civilians in Palestine by using western weapons

[@jokester3076]

Should’ve trained regiments of afghan women as soldiers, instead of the men.

[@AbdulKadir-qs4jz]

Lol, femonism doesn't work in Afghanistan😂.

[@jokester3076]

@@AbdulKadir-qs4jz The country that banned musical instruments and chess

[@AbdulKadir-qs4jz]

@@jokester3076 So what? Anything contradictory to Islam must be resisted at any cost.

[@bubshab]

@@AbdulKadir-qs4jz Wake up. Live in this world, with everyone else in it.

[@AbdulKadir-qs4jz]

@@bubshab We are living with everyone else. We'll live in our terms, not others.

[@kamrunnissathambi9416]

Don't agree to their demands

[@jsmoothie7001]

We cannot negotiate with Terrorists.

[@kareemi7080]

You do it all the time and Taliban aren’t terrorists

[@muhammadmafaz8530]

When you don't realise you are the terrorists 😅

[@AbdulKadir-qs4jz]

​@@muhammadmafaz8530😂

[@mohammadakter6370]

Saying by a war criminal..! 😂 Women killed by german last 1 year: 15k +..! Women unalived by taliban last year : maximum 5, most of them kiljer..! Who is terorist now.?

[@user-jt6ho9ou1h]

who are terrorist? those who came to our country afghanistan and killed our people or those who are killing those who are killing people

[@batman-cu1ep]

These ladies might as well live in the stone ages. Wow

[@Booz2020]

Or OhEf Models making contents from BALI 🤯💥😲

[@TheLoginzoom]

Booo never negotiate with dictators.

[@AbdulKadir-qs4jz]

Untill you can have the luxury of this sentence.

[@janpetersen7440]

Male rulers have always feared well-educated women. Men know their days in power are numbered when women enter the circles of power.

[@Ibn_Abdulaziz]

Education is for all. But if women will turn out like those in the west, rebellious, licentious, uncovered, unmarried, inclination to sins, then for the protection of soceity, it's better they are supervised like youth are until they mature and become conservative, righteous, God-fearing mothers who will raise good kids.

[@evaluateanalysis7974]

That's as sexist as the Taliban.

[@evaluateanalysis7974]

@@Ibn_Abdulaziz So women do all the sins and men are perfect? What sort of fantasy world do you live in? No need to tell me, I can guess.

[@Ibn_Abdulaziz]

@@evaluateanalysis7974 Men usually do sins because of uncovered women. If she is supervised, the lesser sinful men will appear.

[@leavesinautumn5959]

@@Ibn_Abdulaziz If men can't control themselves around an uncovered woman (to clarify, this means wearing normal clothes), then it's them that need supervision and not women. Women don't need to fit your ideal (or anyone else's) to deserve freedom from oppression. That is an inherent right.

[@danielbalcan6270]

Let them rot under their extremism. The Coalition has tried to help them for so long and they only responded with violence and more violence. When those women will no longer be able to carry the Taliban yoke, they will rise up against it, otherwise they will rot together forever. And after all that a new Afghan civilization will be able to rise.

[@SimbaTun76145]

Meanwhile Two daughters of Taliban leader Suhail Shaheen are studying in Qatar.Even both play football for school team.

[@frederikbjerre427]

We really wasted our soldiers for nothing.

[@martytube821]

As germany import the same beliefs and jails opponents of such imports!

[@samuela-aegisdottir]

Discussing Afghani women without Afhgani women. The sad state of international politics.

[@m-billa]

Lets not pretend this is not what the vast majority of Mu slims in Afghanistan want. The West lost blood and treasure (more than the Marshal plan for the entire Europe), only for Afghans to depose their Western style government for the Taliban. This is not our problem 🤷🏾🤷🏾 The only asylum seekers we should be accepting from these places are women who are prepared to leave and denounce Is lam.

[@zw9802]

some people always gotta appease the jihadis.... by the way, i don't think DW needs the quotation marks on "gender apartheid;" I'm pretty sure that's a real thing...

[@WalterThompson-rt7jm]

Tell them no…women should have the right to choose their own path in life…the west should tell them no talks..

[@Sad_bumper_sticker.]

It’s like a Judge talking only to a Domestic Abuser Husband, ignoring the abused Wife.

[@maypenja2819]

Pashtana Durrani of LEARN Afghan is correct that there should not be any talks with the Taliban about women. The Taliban should change policies if they want aid from the UN. If not, then those countries that support the Taliban should be the ones providing aid, not the hated West. There are other countries in greater need of financial assistance.

[@yinyin9250]

I feel so sad to see those afghan women who are forced to cover all of their body like something else not a human being.

[@ifterock4931]

you should feel the same when usa and sovied invaded their country and killed millions of innocent afghan

[@lyrooo326]

I don't care about Afghanistan.

[@legitbeans9078]

This woman made zero sense to me. Wtf was her point? EDIT: I mean the first lady, who seemed to be in support of the taliban? She didn't actually answer any questions...

[@randomhandle721]

She made an arguably good point. Basically, if we talk to Talibans then we acknowledge that it is up to them to decide women'a fate. Also, be mindful, she can't speak plainly because she must have a lot of enemies. You need to read between the lines.

[@krollpeter]

I disagree. She meant to say what she can't easily say.

[@legitbeans9078]

@@krollpeter I disagree to agree.

[@md.majedulhaquerafin4088]

What about the education rights of Gaza's girl? Their schools are blown off to the ground. ?

[@angarniazai1573]

طالبانو ډیر زیات ظلم شروع کړې په داخل افغانستان کې له زنانه وو سره له ځوانانو سره د عامو خلکو سره طالبان نه غواړی انجونی ښونځی ته لاړی شی طالبان نه غواړی انجونی پوهنتون ته لاړی شی طالبان اوس زموږ هغه ځوانان چې تعلیمونه یې کړې وظیفی نه ورکوی طالبان او یوازې وظیفې خپلو طالبانو ته ورکوی طالبان اوس ریشوت اخلی په زور باندې د خلکو ځمکی غصب کوی موټر ترې غصب کوی کورونه ترې غصب کوی ډیر ظلم کوی😢

[@lobomarin5459]

Squiggly line, Squiggly line, Squiggly to you too sir.

[@AhmadAli-ez8db]

These so-called 'women activists' have never been chosen by Afghan women who receive financial aid from the international community to run ghost schools. These individuals have built careers on Afghan women's rights and education but have done nothing for Afghan women. The most effective way to address the issues facing Afghan women is to engage directly with the current administrators.

[@mohammadakter6370]

No more lying my boy😂😂 Your trick will no more work.! Now we have our own sources to find out Truth 😂😂

[@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla]

​@@AhmadAli-ez8db oo u mean the Palestinians activists chosen by the Palestinians? Don't embarrass yourself. 🤡

[@user-jt6ho9ou1h]

za sta moor waghyam

[@alexfournier4938]

It makes sense to let them do what they want in Afghanistan, if they don’t want access to international money and food aid who cares it’s their choice.

[@moodygirl609]

'Gender apartheid' is something of a mild term for what Taliban men are doing to women and girls in Afganistan. Women have absolutely no rights. They are isolated, kept from education, punished for some dress code. Objecting to these restrictions leads to imprisonment, torture and rape. How the UN (or any country in the world) can decide to comfortably engage with these MEN ONLY is beyond justifiable if they don't hold these guys' feet to the fire. Why no information in this news report about how this country is able to sustain itself economically without women's contribution?

[@alvisalbert9222]

Westerners should not lecture anyone on human rights we have seen enough in Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Syria, Panama, Cuba & the list goes on.

[@rough77]

Afghanistan is dying and nobody will miss them

[@kamsunleong6648]

How wrong you are. Somebody in the neighborhood is already helping to improve their situation. Where the western nations see only hopelessness, some of their neighbors see opportunities.

[@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla]

? Eating up the people's money?

[@karlhurley5199]

It's never had a pulse

[@bestvideos35]

India is helping and feeding them don't worry

[@bluesclues132]

UK TFR = 1.56 Afghan TFR = 4.64 UK British white population in UK - 77% Afghan Afghan population = 99% UK prime minister and London Mayor - rishi sunak and Sadiq khan . Kabul mayor and supreme leader - Afghan . Afghanistan is dying ?? 💀 you sure about that ?!?!?

[@user-tw3kr9if1f]

Their country their choice, They had almost 20 years to choose a different path But this is the one they chose Afghan's women and men. If either wanted something different They should have been fighting on the front lines.

[@tellitlikeitis5856]

That's right we knocked the Taliban out Afghanistan formed a new government could have changed everything but they failed they fought with each other and decided Islam was more important. And here we go all over again only USA is gone now.....

[@AbdulKadir-qs4jz]

​@@tellitlikeitis5856 You knocked the t..bn out😂. They just retreated to rural areas and mountains.

[@zw9802]

​@@AbdulKadir-qs4jzif Afghanistan is so great, why do muzzzlims keep immigrating to western countries?....

[@Ibn_Abdulaziz]

If the Taliban spokesperson wants to go viral, just ask them: "What is a woman?"

[@AbdulKadir-qs4jz]

😂

[@darussankarat8195]

Woman is Wowwoweeee in taliban opinion.

[@snigie1]

The Taliban spent 3 minutes on the internet and realised, yup, we're not changing a thing here!

[@QuestCollot-]

Nah, freedom for women first

[@xXBlack666RoseXx]

UN is searching for a new cash cow

[@SoBiased]

Playing the good guys playbooks 😂😂

[@NeraBuffy]

International aid sent to these places ends up in the hands of these groups and it's resold to further financially support these groups- it's a regular source of income for them. All aid should be stopped and anyone lobbying for it investigated for connections with those groups.

[@stevendefehr4393]

Why not leave them alone???? I don’t want anyone from another country telling me how to conduct my way of life! This is why countries have boarders … no ? This is why country’s need strong boarders ‼️

[@terranowa2080]

One world one government, rights for everyone.

[@leeoo2002]

8:03 Come on, DW, why wrapping up the topic so hastily? Let’s get into details about stealing the money, your speaker is very open and honest, let’s hear what she says!

[@midknight1968]

Just remind the Talibans that their keader has PTSD he can't separate the torture he endured from his present moment and he is making his own women suffer, he is totally occupied still

[@elkanaajowi9093]

These are the real-world problems people should be busy solving; not the imaginary ones like 'what is a woman' madness some are busy with.

[@neoalmaguer6505]

Afghan women want that bwc?

[@krollpeter]

You can talk with them if these talks expose them to the world. Everyone should understand where religious extremism goes to.

[@zw9802]

won't work, because the UN will forbid any criticism of them, and will basically legitimize them. i mean, the UN has Saudi Arabia chairing their women's rights council. no joke. the UN is the only joke.

[@RobiulIslam-nj4fw]

When Human Life , We Hate Telling Lies , We Hate Cheating .

[@Mr_x957]

Why don’t people condemned Shariah law which is implemented in Afghanistan. (Especially pro Palestine supporters)

[@TheAustrian101]

If you can't prevent them from regaining power at gun point, it's very naïve to think you can influence them just by talking.

[@zw9802]

true, so there is no point, and no decency, in them being in the UN. they're basically just trying to gain international legitimacy by being in the UN. it is a really pathetic commentary on the UN that they will be happy to give it to them.

[@leet3207]

Its always better to talk. Any fool knows that.

[@ashifmallick3726]

Germany should send troops 😂😂😂😂😂

[@neoalmaguer6505]

Don’t worry Tyler and John are waitin for your afghan daughters in america

[@chat4783]

Well they choose this. They can choose the imperial US or choose a cave man government. They pick the wrong one. If the afgan people really care about library, they should have sides with the US.

[@leavesinautumn5959]

Not really, both options are unpalatable in their own way. The Taliban didn't hold a referendum asking people whether or not they wanted to be ruled this way, they (Taliban) didn't win an election and a mandate from the people. They conquered the country and enforced their ideology at the gun point.

[@RobiulIslam-nj4fw]

Girls and Boys , Equal Education System for Every Child , For Peaceful Healthy Happy Lifestyle. Human Life, We Hate All Kinds of Cheating.

[@Connect662]

Well duh

[@rough77]

Islam kills

[@leavesinautumn5959]

Ignorance kills,both theirs (Taliban) and yours.

[@mohammadakter6370]

Islam score on kiljing last decade : maximum 100k..? American and german score: over million..!

[@jajajjajjaajjaa]

The west lost that war. Let’s talk Isreal.

[@pauly260]

We gave them a chance & they invited the Taliban. This is obviously what they wanted.

[@SimbaTun76145]

Taliban was created by Pakistan for dollars not Afghan ppl.The Madrasas where they got trained all are in Karachi, Peshawar, Islamabad. Pakistan radicalised them cuz destablized Afghnistan and Afghanis is in its interest.

[@KJ-wf1xz]

Now we finally see “apartheid” in news.

[@zw9802]

Afghanistan is what real apartheid looks like, not Israel.

[@AhmadAli-ez8db]

These so-called 'women activists' have never been chosen by Afghan women who receive financial aid from the international community to run ghost schools. These individuals have built careers on Afghan women's rights and education but have done nothing for Afghan women. The most effective way to address the issues facing Afghan women is to engage directly with the current administrators.

[@AbdulKadir-qs4jz]

They were bought by the west. I mean west's secular ally.

[@francisgilbert6982]

Ohhhhhhh! So DW knows what Apartheid looks like and what is?

[@viviendomisabatico1587]

No nato strong enough to go seed "democracy and freedom" in Afganistan? That could be again a great chance to sell billons $$$$ in weapons, the nato lucrative business.

[@alittleicefacetimmynore.ch8955]

Troy brooks brant still ❤s you and your hart? Where did it go i x.

[@williamthatsmyname]

Can we stop using the word Apartheid? There are dozens of english words that fit this discussion more.

[@lobomarin5459]

No.

[@mohammadakter6370]

Why.? It’s reminded you Israel.?

[@zw9802]

why? the Taliban's treatment of women is every bit as much "apartheid" as any other on the planet.

[@rumas3352]

On Afghanistan women 😂😂😂 look what they do in Gaza , thus people tell about women😊

[@sparrow9815]

Germany can take immigrants from gaza and Afghanistan

[@user-vh3fr3lb8w]

Where is Qatar and Saudi Arabia?

[@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla]

And Egypt is also building the wall of open air prison

[@zw9802]

no, because they just keep moving all over from there; pretty soon they're in America....

[@Leminisca]

women only

[@user-is1eu4gu4t]

Old man are marry 14 year old girl 😢

[@iq-ride9329]

LOL What about Palestinian women? Do you worry about them? How about your women?

[@ihsanafgun6643]

Former corrupt ppl 😂😂😂

[@ShivShankarRama]

It's not only the talibans ,most nearly 80% of afghan population supports sharia law. So good luck.

[@Ibn_Abdulaziz]

Germany has behind windows and brothels. They lost to the juice

[@evaluateanalysis7974]

You need to change your meds mate.

[@cestlextase]

germany should look at itself

[@JohnViinalass-lc1ow]

thank you, all, for this re-infuriating update but please, first, permit that global 'mother' imagery wins respect and love more than 'student' imagery...and second, that Afghani's student sons are failing their 21st century lessons and their guilt is making them terrorize their society, the !SKNUP...ashamed of themselves, they live frightened rogues' lives, knowing their own mothers and sisters have a workable design for a 'fix'.

[@americantraveling9123]

Afghan Emirates doing great jobs.let them run country n keep they're cultural values.they don't want it western culture over there.

[@RifndjsklljuwhdnchAfacnxla]

Such double standard, if u are so loyal to follow old tradition, u wouldn't have post this comment and use internet. Because u should live your original live just like how your prophet lives. There's no water pipe, no fan, no internet. So u are not a good pilgrim.

[@zw9802]

did you ever ask the women?...

[@maseehwardak6055]

Lie, nobody here in Kabul is happy with them

[@asadullah-cn5hw]

Western countries and mèdia are full of hypocricy.They are banning hijab in their countries but if taliban impose hijab,this is against basic human rights ..

[@yeager112]

its about education not hijab first give education to women then we will talk about hijab

[@asadullah-cn5hw]

@@yeager112 they embaraced the west in their 20 years long war and brought them to their knees.poked their noses in the dusts of Afghanistan.Have they Left any shame ??

[@SonnyDarvishzadeh]

@@asadullah-cn5hw no one can win over someone that believes in religion. faith automatically stops people from thinking. The core principle of faith is to stop thinking and believe what is told to you.

[@SG_DesertFoxX97]

This is what American trump supporting conservatives would want in the US

[@zw9802]

wth? in case you missed it, the islamo progressive left are the ones determined to bring Islam to America and the whole world.

[@SoBiased]

So the US wants to insert their culture around the world but forget the Geno.... In Gaza

[@jokester3076]

This is a German news channel

[@williamtan9655]

@SoBiased, you are so Biased 😁

[@gargvanit]

Thats what Islam looks like. Why blame Taliban instead of talking about the theology?

[@jakeholmannf]

It is pretty difficult to change what is deeply entrenched in their cultural beliefs and norms, should probably leave them alone.

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

Why is Saudi Arabia part of the international community? Isreal? America?

[@HelenaMikas]

An excellent point .In Saudi Arabia women rights are curtailed but guess oil deals play a huge role...

[@incisivecommenter5974]

Because all those places treat their women much better than. Afghanistan.

[@AbdulKadir-qs4jz]

What's the definition of international community!!😂

[@mohammadakter6370]

​@@incisivecommenter5974 recently i have seen American police beats, kicked, grabbed by hair, chocked womens who went Against american values(war crime,genocide,kiljing for oil,) in usa, That's too by male police...! So what's the problem if Taliban banned something(western edu:multiple gender,dna to verify father) that goes against their values.? Atleast they use female police to arrest female prisoner, Not forced their women to work and pay taxes., They even working make health sector free., reducing taxes.!

[@bekeleguasil3895]

Even though women must have the right to go to higher education, forcing them isn't the correct way. I believe there are muslin scholars who can talk to the Taliban leaders. Convincing the Taliban leaders tblocking of women to attend higher education will hurt Afghanistan. Other Areb countries are not banning women from learning higher education. Therefore, Taliban leaders must allow women to study higher education. The convincing business must be given to muslin scholars. Forcing Afghan leaders to break out of their culture will have social consequences. Yes, having women higher education is very important, but we must be careful not to distrupt the social cohesion of the country.

[@leavesinautumn5959]

You don't know the first thing about Afghanistan. The oppression of women isn't a cultural imperative, it's an ideological one. Women studied without interference in all the years before Taliban rule. Besides there is no unified Afghani culture, there are many (often competing) cultures and groups.

[@AbdulKadir-qs4jz]

Who will answer this question: What's the definition of a woman?

[@user-jt6ho9ou1h]

where are you human right in ghaza leave ourhomland alone

[@ilovejesusandilovegod8803]

this is the future the republicans want

[@AliHassan-hb1bn]

Not about freedom of women and democracy but to gain access to resources as well as poluting Islam.

[@Istiyak098]

Higher education is for boy not for Girl*

[@zackhaqjo4081]

Why you don’t talk to each other?

[@lexa5842]

But muhammad was the first feminist. Remember?

[@zahurulaumi9858]

Shame on you women rights organisations

[@imjustamen2531]

At least the most people's on this planet knows that we are respecting our mother 3 times more then our father. And at least we knows that the people's are already used their brain to think... And see who the apartheid is. Sad Europes... Always hiding behind the women's armpit.

[@shiekhashraf5378]

These few Afghani women in your show and there, are American agents, living outside of Afghanistan. Afghan women are living much better lives than yours. So don't fool people. They lost their cridebility.

[@maseehwardak6055]

Lie, keep lying.

[@neoalmaguer6505]

Afghan women want that bwc?